Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Viral issues can also cause loose stools. Also if you are using Magnesium Citrate, you can change to Magnesium Glycinate which does not cause loose stool. haleh --- shel4336 <shel4336@...> wrote: > Hi All, > > Last June, my sons hair test indicated he was very low in > magnesium. We increased his mag supplements to 100 mgs 4x a day. > We immediately had improvements in sleep and muscles twitchings. > Early in December, he started having loose stools. I thought it > could be yeast or bacteria. We have treated for both. We have also > treated for parasites. To no avail, we sill have very loose > stools. We just got a stool analysis back and it showed that yeast > was fairly in check and bacteria was gone. We have some items that > showed as imbalance and his lactobacillius was a little low but his > bifido bacteria was good. So, it has me thinking that maybe his > magnesium is causing the loose stools. Could he now be fully loaded > with Magnesium after 6 months of higher doses??? Is that possible? > Also, I know we need to keep the magnesium up a little as we are > chelating. Does anyone know how you can tell if you are back to a > normal level of a mineral once you were seriously deficient. > > Thanks for any guidance! > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 , It could be that the magnesium and your other efforts are paying off with better gut health. He may be absorbing more nutrition and actually metabolizing more of the magnesium you are giving. Try reducing the dose of magnesium a bit and see if that ends the loose stools. He might need just 300 mg a day instead of 400 mg. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 > Early in December, he started having loose stools. He might not need that much magnesium any more. Try reducing the dose to 200-300mg per day. > magnesium is causing the loose stools. Could he now be fully loaded > with Magnesium after 6 months of higher doses??? Is that possible? Yes, very possible. > Also, I know we need to keep the magnesium up a little as we are > chelating. Does anyone know how you can tell if you are back to a > normal level of a mineral once you were seriously deficient. For my son, giving a supplement when he no longer needed it, generally caused a return of the problem that the supplement initially resolved. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 Hey: You might also want to look at the GFCF foods you are feeding him. Many of the gluten " subs " in particular don't contain much fiber and that can slow them down as well. That said, we use magnesium citrate! J Magnesium Hi, I just a had a lightbulb moment due to a previous post, my son has been on enzymes for about 41/2 months, and GFCF for a month. His BMs have very recently gone from 3-9 times a day to once a day maybe. So, I'm thinking underlying magnesium deficiency has been exposed. Is there a preferred form? Glycinate? Citrate? Must it be given with Calcium? if this is redundant I apologize. Libby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2006 Report Share Posted March 30, 2006 >>Must it be given with Calcium? If you are trying to address a magnesium deficiency, give the magnesium apart from calcium by about 2 hours [or more]. Calcium needs magnesium for proper absorption, but the calcium will interfere with the absorption of the magnesium. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 There is a difference between oxide and citrate. I think, Citrate loosens stools and I think oxide works the opposite. Maybe someone on the group can post for sure if there is a difference. mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote: My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? How does Oxypowder taste? Thanks for your help! --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Actually, magnesium oxide, being insoluble, is far more likely to cause loose stools than a soluble form of magnesium such as mag citrate. The soluble forms are more bioavailable, so if one is supplementing magnesium for a deficiency, then the soluble forms sre the way to go. If one is supplementing for constipation, then an insoluble form might be preferable in the short run, but it would not be absorbed by the body as well. On Aug 16, 2006, at 9:27 PM, andrea capone wrote: > There is a difference between oxide and citrate. I think, Citrate > loosens stools and I think oxide works the opposite. Maybe someone > on the group can > post for sure if there is a difference. > > mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> > wrote: My son is getting wise to > the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone > call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. so far so good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I've been substituting liquid cal-mag-zinc for 1/4 of the (rice) milk in recipes. G. > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. so far so good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 > > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . It is a mineral, so you can bake it into things if you want. I mixed things into peanut butter and honey for a while. Other ideas here http://www.enzymestuff.com/discussionmixing.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2006 Report Share Posted August 17, 2006 Yes for constipation. You can search my posts and find out that nearly everything in our world revolves around that! Re: Mom Look -- I've got my words! < /message/50407> My son may either have intestinal motility issues, a stretched out colon, and/or magnesium " usage " problem in his body. It's not uncommon.... Department of Paediatrics, Obstetrics and Reproductive Medicine, Section of Neonatology and Preventive Paediatrics, Azienda Universitaria Ospedaliera Senese, Policlinico Le e, Siena, Italy. The aim of the present study was to determine and compare plasma and erythrocyte concentrations of magnesium in 12 autistic children (10 boys, 2 girls), 17 children with other autistic spectrum disorders (14 boys, 3 girls), 5 girls with classic Rett syndrome, and 14 normal children (7 boys, 7 girls) of the same age. No differences in intracellular Mg were found between controls and pathological subjects; however, autistic children and children with other autistic spectrum disorders had significantly lower plasma concentrations of Mg than normal subjects (p = 0.013 and p = 0.02, respectively). Although our study population was small, we conclude that children with autistic spectrum disorders require special dietary management. If these cases are diagnosed at an early stage, they can be helped through diet. Magnesium profile in autism. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2006 Feb;109(2):97-104. PMID: 16443999 [PubMed - in process] My lament is that two pediatric gastroentrologists dismissed his constant constipation as nothing but normal. He even had a prolapsed rectum. Egad! After a year and a half of Miralax I took matters into my own hands and started researching ...... nonstop. (And in case you are wondering -- he's had prunes, prune juice, pear sauce and nectar, flax and flax oil for years -- prune juice when he was only 4 months old!) He still has a very healthy diet, but the magnesium and Vit C has done the trick for him. The fish oil has helped his speech immensely, but I believe that it's more than just fish oil. The body has to rid itself of toxins -- or our brains don't work right! Lee Mother to Adam -- 4 yr - verbal apraxia > > Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in > such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health > food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I > wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that > tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let > me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. > > Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started > Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. > so far so good.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Yes for constipation. You can search my posts and find out that nearly everything in our world revolves around that! Re: Mom Look -- I've got my words! < /message/50407> My son may either have intestinal motility issues, a stretched out colon, and/or magnesium " usage " problem in his body. It's not uncommon.... Department of Paediatrics, Obstetrics and Reproductive Medicine, Section of Neonatology and Preventive Paediatrics, Azienda Universitaria Ospedaliera Senese, Policlinico Le e, Siena, Italy. The aim of the present study was to determine and compare plasma and erythrocyte concentrations of magnesium in 12 autistic children (10 boys, 2 girls), 17 children with other autistic spectrum disorders (14 boys, 3 girls), 5 girls with classic Rett syndrome, and 14 normal children (7 boys, 7 girls) of the same age. No differences in intracellular Mg were found between controls and pathological subjects; however, autistic children and children with other autistic spectrum disorders had significantly lower plasma concentrations of Mg than normal subjects (p = 0.013 and p = 0.02, respectively). Although our study population was small, we conclude that children with autistic spectrum disorders require special dietary management. If these cases are diagnosed at an early stage, they can be helped through diet. Magnesium profile in autism. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2006 Feb;109(2):97-104. PMID: 16443999 [PubMed - in process] My lament is that two pediatric gastroentrologists dismissed his constant constipation as nothing but normal. He even had a prolapsed rectum. Egad! After a year and a half of Miralax I took matters into my own hands and started researching ...... nonstop. (And in case you are wondering -- he's had prunes, prune juice, pear sauce and nectar, flax and flax oil for years -- prune juice when he was only 4 months old!) He still has a very healthy diet, but the magnesium and Vit C has done the trick for him. The fish oil has helped his speech immensely, but I believe that it's more than just fish oil. The body has to rid itself of toxins -- or our brains don't work right! Lee Mother to Adam -- 4 yr - verbal apraxia > > Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in > such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health > food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I > wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that > tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let > me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. > > Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started > Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. > so far so good.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 thank you, how much do you give him and did you build up to this dosage? I was told and I will research that you have start out gradually, since you have already been there.. I thought I would get your recommendation. Phyllis [ ] Re: Magnesium Yes for constipation. You can search my posts and find out that nearly everything in our world revolves around that! Re: Mom Look -- I've got my words! < /message/50407> My son may either have intestinal motility issues, a stretched out colon, and/or magnesium " usage " problem in his body. It's not uncommon.... Department of Paediatrics, Obstetrics and Reproductive Medicine, Section of Neonatology and Preventive Paediatrics, Azienda Universitaria Ospedaliera Senese, Policlinico Le e, Siena, Italy. The aim of the present study was to determine and compare plasma and erythrocyte concentrations of magnesium in 12 autistic children (10 boys, 2 girls), 17 children with other autistic spectrum disorders (14 boys, 3 girls), 5 girls with classic Rett syndrome, and 14 normal children (7 boys, 7 girls) of the same age. No differences in intracellular Mg were found between controls and pathological subjects; however, autistic children and children with other autistic spectrum disorders had significantly lower plasma concentrations of Mg than normal subjects (p = 0.013 and p = 0.02, respectively). Although our study population was small, we conclude that children with autistic spectrum disorders require special dietary management. If these cases are diagnosed at an early stage, they can be helped through diet. Magnesium profile in autism. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2006 Feb;109(2):97-104. PMID: 16443999 [PubMed - in process] My lament is that two pediatric gastroentrologists dismissed his constant constipation as nothing but normal. He even had a prolapsed rectum. Egad! After a year and a half of Miralax I took matters into my own hands and started researching ...... nonstop. (And in case you are wondering -- he's had prunes, prune juice, pear sauce and nectar, flax and flax oil for years -- prune juice when he was only 4 months old!) He still has a very healthy diet, but the magnesium and Vit C has done the trick for him. The fish oil has helped his speech immensely, but I believe that it's more than just fish oil. The body has to rid itself of toxins -- or our brains don't work right! Lee Mother to Adam -- 4 yr - verbal apraxia > > Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in > such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health > food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I > wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that > tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let > me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. > > Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started > Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. > so far so good.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi-Is there a magnesium that is less likely to cause loose stools (or more likely cause constipation?). We have a real problem with loose stools and mineral supplementing makes it worse. Thanks, Pam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 In 2 weeks I was able to get him off of Miralax. I don't have perfect recall -- but I think I did 500mg for several days, then took Miralax down to 12mg (from 17-20mg), then took Miralax down to every other day -- but stool was too firm, so took Mag up to 750mg, then stool was too loose, cut out Miralax entirely and he was fine. He gets on average 750-1000mg of magnesium per day. If it's a heavy fruit day I can cut it back a little. I use magnesium citrate most of the time, but have been been trying 250mg crushed magnesium oxide and 500 mg citrate and that seems to be working fine. Tried calm child (icky taste), cal-mag fizz (ick) and kirkman's has been the best so far. I was going to order oxypowder but I'd rather try a pill or two before I fork over nearly $50. I'm hoping to test in a few weeks to make sure his calcium/magnesium and potassium levels are OK. Even though it appears that this is a high dosage --I've found nothing that makes me worry that this is causing any harm. BTW -- probiotics haven't made any difference that I can tell. Enzymes might be helping too -- at least the smell is MUCH reduced. I'm going to order No-Fenol -- I've heard that has helped some kids, and I received several as samples and he loved the taste. I wasn't systematic enough with the samples to see if they had any effect. And for the record -- not GFCF, just got tests back from enterob and everything was negative - no gluten or casein intolerance. > > thank you, how much do you give him and did you build up to this dosage? I was told and I will research that you have start out gradually, since you have already been there.. I thought I would get your recommendation. > > Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi there, I am new to the club and have been reading all the postings. This one caught my eye because I just had an experience with magnesium myself and thought I should share it with you. While getting biomed tests done on my 2 year apraxic son I also had some basic levels taken on myself just for fun. The test showed that I was very deficient in magnesium. The MD suggested a supplement for a couple of months. I did this and then again was tested...the levels had risen but not to the appropriate level so she suggested continuing with the meg. So I did. 2 or 3 weeks later I began to experience heart palpitations and over 3 days they became increasingly worse. To the point where I was experiencing them every 30 seconds. I went to the emerg and was put on a heart monitor and given several tests to see what was going on with my heart. (By the way I am 36 years old and in good health) I asked if it could have anything to do with the magnesium supplementation and they answered that the level look okay in the blood tests. They could not find anything else so after a few hours of observation they let me go home and suggested I see my MD first thing. At this point I stopped all supplements except one capsule of magnesium a day. I saw my MD and asked again could the magnesium be causing the problem her answer was no I was only taking a relatively small dose. She set me up to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours to see what was going on. The results showed a couple of palpitations in that 24 hour period. She felt that more mag was needed. I waited several weeks before increasing the mag to see if the palpitations would resolve themselves. They got better but did not completely resolve. Again she told me that if I would take more mag that I probably wouldn't have any palpitations at all. So I began to increase the dosage from I capsule to 2. Within 2 days the palpitations were more frequent and stronger. I jump on the internet and discovered that the symptoms for magnesium deficiency were the same as the symptoms for too much magnesium in the body. The clincher for me was a note made that a person with too much mag will have decreasing blood pressure. Since the beginning of taking this supplement my blood pressure had been steadily decreasing in fact the last was 90/;60. I knew I was overdosing my body with mag even though my numbers did not indicate too much mag. I have since stopped all mag and the palpitations have disappeared. It took 2 1/2 months to return to normal. Moral of the story be careful with this supplement especially with children. Your heart jumping around and missing beats is not pleasant and potentially very harmful. FYI, Elaine > From: " mommtlc " <oldworldtile@...> > Date: 2006/08/16 Wed PM 05:31:32 EDT > > Subject: [ ] Magnesium > > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 thanks for sharing!!! shows sometimes blood levels don't show everything... _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of contactetf@... Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Magnesium Hi there, I am new to the club and have been reading all the postings. This one caught my eye because I just had an experience with magnesium myself and thought I should share it with you. While getting biomed tests done on my 2 year apraxic son I also had some basic levels taken on myself just for fun. The test showed that I was very deficient in magnesium. The MD suggested a supplement for a couple of months. I did this and then again was tested...the levels had risen but not to the appropriate level so she suggested continuing with the meg. So I did. 2 or 3 weeks later I began to experience heart palpitations and over 3 days they became increasingly worse. To the point where I was experiencing them every 30 seconds. I went to the emerg and was put on a heart monitor and given several tests to see what was going on with my heart. (By the way I am 36 years old and in good health) I asked if it could have anything to do with the magnesium supplementation and they answered that the level look okay in the blood tests. They could not find anything else so after a few hours of observation they let me go home and suggested I see my MD first thing. At this point I stopped all supplements except one capsule of magnesium a day. I saw my MD and asked again could the magnesium be causing the problem her answer was no I was only taking a relatively small dose. She set me up to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours to see what was going on. The results showed a couple of palpitations in that 24 hour period. She felt that more mag was needed. I waited several weeks before increasing the mag to see if the palpitations would resolve themselves. They got better but did not completely resolve. Again she told me that if I would take more mag that I probably wouldn't have any palpitations at all. So I began to increase the dosage from I capsule to 2. Within 2 days the palpitations were more frequent and stronger. I jump on the internet and discovered that the symptoms for magnesium deficiency were the same as the symptoms for too much magnesium in the body. The clincher for me was a note made that a person with too much mag will have decreasing blood pressure. Since the beginning of taking this supplement my blood pressure had been steadily decreasing in fact the last was 90/;60. I knew I was overdosing my body with mag even though my numbers did not indicate too much mag. I have since stopped all mag and the palpitations have disappeared. It took 2 1/2 months to return to normal. Moral of the story be careful with this supplement especially with children. Your heart jumping around and missing beats is not pleasant and potentially very harmful. FYI, Elaine > From: " mommtlc " <oldworldtile@ <mailto:oldworldtile%40> > > Date: 2006/08/16 Wed PM 05:31:32 EDT > <mailto: %40> > Subject: [ ] Magnesium > > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 thank you, how much do you give him and did you build up to this dosage? I was told and I will research that you have start out gradually, since you have already been there.. I thought I would get your recommendation. Phyllis [ ] Re: Magnesium Yes for constipation. You can search my posts and find out that nearly everything in our world revolves around that! Re: Mom Look -- I've got my words! < /message/50407> My son may either have intestinal motility issues, a stretched out colon, and/or magnesium " usage " problem in his body. It's not uncommon.... Department of Paediatrics, Obstetrics and Reproductive Medicine, Section of Neonatology and Preventive Paediatrics, Azienda Universitaria Ospedaliera Senese, Policlinico Le e, Siena, Italy. The aim of the present study was to determine and compare plasma and erythrocyte concentrations of magnesium in 12 autistic children (10 boys, 2 girls), 17 children with other autistic spectrum disorders (14 boys, 3 girls), 5 girls with classic Rett syndrome, and 14 normal children (7 boys, 7 girls) of the same age. No differences in intracellular Mg were found between controls and pathological subjects; however, autistic children and children with other autistic spectrum disorders had significantly lower plasma concentrations of Mg than normal subjects (p = 0.013 and p = 0.02, respectively). Although our study population was small, we conclude that children with autistic spectrum disorders require special dietary management. If these cases are diagnosed at an early stage, they can be helped through diet. Magnesium profile in autism. Biol Trace Elem Res. 2006 Feb;109(2):97-104. PMID: 16443999 [PubMed - in process] My lament is that two pediatric gastroentrologists dismissed his constant constipation as nothing but normal. He even had a prolapsed rectum. Egad! After a year and a half of Miralax I took matters into my own hands and started researching ...... nonstop. (And in case you are wondering -- he's had prunes, prune juice, pear sauce and nectar, flax and flax oil for years -- prune juice when he was only 4 months old!) He still has a very healthy diet, but the magnesium and Vit C has done the trick for him. The fish oil has helped his speech immensely, but I believe that it's more than just fish oil. The body has to rid itself of toxins -- or our brains don't work right! Lee Mother to Adam -- 4 yr - verbal apraxia > > Hi I read your post and was just wondering why you using the magnesium in > such high doses and what results have you seen using it. I was at the health > food store and they recommended it for constipation, I didn't buy, so now I > wondering why and what results you have experienced with it. The lady that > tried to sell it to me said this brand was tasteless and odorless ??? Please let > me know and I'll check out the brand and send it to you. > > Thanks Phyllis - mother to Nicolas 5 1/2 dx w/PDD/Apraxia.... started > Kindergarten in regular classroom with 25 kids and one aide to assist the class. > so far so good.. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 In 2 weeks I was able to get him off of Miralax. I don't have perfect recall -- but I think I did 500mg for several days, then took Miralax down to 12mg (from 17-20mg), then took Miralax down to every other day -- but stool was too firm, so took Mag up to 750mg, then stool was too loose, cut out Miralax entirely and he was fine. He gets on average 750-1000mg of magnesium per day. If it's a heavy fruit day I can cut it back a little. I use magnesium citrate most of the time, but have been been trying 250mg crushed magnesium oxide and 500 mg citrate and that seems to be working fine. Tried calm child (icky taste), cal-mag fizz (ick) and kirkman's has been the best so far. I was going to order oxypowder but I'd rather try a pill or two before I fork over nearly $50. I'm hoping to test in a few weeks to make sure his calcium/magnesium and potassium levels are OK. Even though it appears that this is a high dosage --I've found nothing that makes me worry that this is causing any harm. BTW -- probiotics haven't made any difference that I can tell. Enzymes might be helping too -- at least the smell is MUCH reduced. I'm going to order No-Fenol -- I've heard that has helped some kids, and I received several as samples and he loved the taste. I wasn't systematic enough with the samples to see if they had any effect. And for the record -- not GFCF, just got tests back from enterob and everything was negative - no gluten or casein intolerance. > > thank you, how much do you give him and did you build up to this dosage? I was told and I will research that you have start out gradually, since you have already been there.. I thought I would get your recommendation. > > Phyllis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 Hi there, I am new to the club and have been reading all the postings. This one caught my eye because I just had an experience with magnesium myself and thought I should share it with you. While getting biomed tests done on my 2 year apraxic son I also had some basic levels taken on myself just for fun. The test showed that I was very deficient in magnesium. The MD suggested a supplement for a couple of months. I did this and then again was tested...the levels had risen but not to the appropriate level so she suggested continuing with the meg. So I did. 2 or 3 weeks later I began to experience heart palpitations and over 3 days they became increasingly worse. To the point where I was experiencing them every 30 seconds. I went to the emerg and was put on a heart monitor and given several tests to see what was going on with my heart. (By the way I am 36 years old and in good health) I asked if it could have anything to do with the magnesium supplementation and they answered that the level look okay in the blood tests. They could not find anything else so after a few hours of observation they let me go home and suggested I see my MD first thing. At this point I stopped all supplements except one capsule of magnesium a day. I saw my MD and asked again could the magnesium be causing the problem her answer was no I was only taking a relatively small dose. She set me up to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours to see what was going on. The results showed a couple of palpitations in that 24 hour period. She felt that more mag was needed. I waited several weeks before increasing the mag to see if the palpitations would resolve themselves. They got better but did not completely resolve. Again she told me that if I would take more mag that I probably wouldn't have any palpitations at all. So I began to increase the dosage from I capsule to 2. Within 2 days the palpitations were more frequent and stronger. I jump on the internet and discovered that the symptoms for magnesium deficiency were the same as the symptoms for too much magnesium in the body. The clincher for me was a note made that a person with too much mag will have decreasing blood pressure. Since the beginning of taking this supplement my blood pressure had been steadily decreasing in fact the last was 90/;60. I knew I was overdosing my body with mag even though my numbers did not indicate too much mag. I have since stopped all mag and the palpitations have disappeared. It took 2 1/2 months to return to normal. Moral of the story be careful with this supplement especially with children. Your heart jumping around and missing beats is not pleasant and potentially very harmful. FYI, Elaine > From: " mommtlc " <oldworldtile@...> > Date: 2006/08/16 Wed PM 05:31:32 EDT > > Subject: [ ] Magnesium > > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2006 Report Share Posted August 18, 2006 thanks for sharing!!! shows sometimes blood levels don't show everything... _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of contactetf@... Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Magnesium Hi there, I am new to the club and have been reading all the postings. This one caught my eye because I just had an experience with magnesium myself and thought I should share it with you. While getting biomed tests done on my 2 year apraxic son I also had some basic levels taken on myself just for fun. The test showed that I was very deficient in magnesium. The MD suggested a supplement for a couple of months. I did this and then again was tested...the levels had risen but not to the appropriate level so she suggested continuing with the meg. So I did. 2 or 3 weeks later I began to experience heart palpitations and over 3 days they became increasingly worse. To the point where I was experiencing them every 30 seconds. I went to the emerg and was put on a heart monitor and given several tests to see what was going on with my heart. (By the way I am 36 years old and in good health) I asked if it could have anything to do with the magnesium supplementation and they answered that the level look okay in the blood tests. They could not find anything else so after a few hours of observation they let me go home and suggested I see my MD first thing. At this point I stopped all supplements except one capsule of magnesium a day. I saw my MD and asked again could the magnesium be causing the problem her answer was no I was only taking a relatively small dose. She set me up to wear a heart monitor for 24 hours to see what was going on. The results showed a couple of palpitations in that 24 hour period. She felt that more mag was needed. I waited several weeks before increasing the mag to see if the palpitations would resolve themselves. They got better but did not completely resolve. Again she told me that if I would take more mag that I probably wouldn't have any palpitations at all. So I began to increase the dosage from I capsule to 2. Within 2 days the palpitations were more frequent and stronger. I jump on the internet and discovered that the symptoms for magnesium deficiency were the same as the symptoms for too much magnesium in the body. The clincher for me was a note made that a person with too much mag will have decreasing blood pressure. Since the beginning of taking this supplement my blood pressure had been steadily decreasing in fact the last was 90/;60. I knew I was overdosing my body with mag even though my numbers did not indicate too much mag. I have since stopped all mag and the palpitations have disappeared. It took 2 1/2 months to return to normal. Moral of the story be careful with this supplement especially with children. Your heart jumping around and missing beats is not pleasant and potentially very harmful. FYI, Elaine > From: " mommtlc " <oldworldtile@ <mailto:oldworldtile%40> > > Date: 2006/08/16 Wed PM 05:31:32 EDT > <mailto: %40> > Subject: [ ] Magnesium > > My son is getting wise to the magnesium added to his juice. I'm using > Kirkman's Magnesium citrate powder -- about 800-1000mg per day. It > does have a " taste " . Has anyone found anything that tastes better? > How does Oxypowder taste? > Thanks for your help! > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 No, it's the magnesium itself that relaxes the smooth muscles of the bowel. You could try giving it in divided doses instead of all at once. G. Pam Ferrell wrote: > Is there a magnesium that is less likely to cause loose stools (or > more likely cause constipation?). We have a real problem with loose > stools and mineral supplementing makes it worse. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 does anyone that uses mag citrate (liquid) know how to make it taste better for a child? thanks mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote: In 2 weeks I was able to get him off of Miralax. I don't have perfect recall -- but I think I did 500mg for several days, then took Miralax down to 12mg (from 17-20mg), then took Miralax down to every other day -- but stool was too firm, so took Mag up to 750mg, then stool was too loose, cut out Miralax entirely and he was fine. He gets on average 750-1000mg of magnesium per day. If it's a heavy fruit day I can cut it back a little. I use magnesium citrate most of the time, but have been been trying 250mg crushed magnesium oxide and 500 mg citrate and that seems to be working fine. Tried calm child (icky taste), cal-mag fizz (ick) and kirkman's has been the best so far. I was going to order oxypowder but I'd rather try a pill or two before I fork over nearly $50. I'm hoping to test in a few weeks to make sure his calcium/magnesium and potassium levels are OK. Even though it appears that this is a high dosage --I've found nothing that makes me worry that this is causing any harm. BTW -- probiotics haven't made any difference that I can tell. Enzymes might be helping too -- at least the smell is MUCH reduced. I'm going to order No-Fenol -- I've heard that has helped some kids, and I received several as samples and he loved the taste. I wasn't systematic enough with the samples to see if they had any effect. And for the record -- not GFCF, just got tests back from enterob and everything was negative - no gluten or casein intolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2006 Report Share Posted August 19, 2006 does anyone that uses mag citrate (liquid) know how to make it taste better for a child? thanks mommtlc <oldworldtile@...> wrote: In 2 weeks I was able to get him off of Miralax. I don't have perfect recall -- but I think I did 500mg for several days, then took Miralax down to 12mg (from 17-20mg), then took Miralax down to every other day -- but stool was too firm, so took Mag up to 750mg, then stool was too loose, cut out Miralax entirely and he was fine. He gets on average 750-1000mg of magnesium per day. If it's a heavy fruit day I can cut it back a little. I use magnesium citrate most of the time, but have been been trying 250mg crushed magnesium oxide and 500 mg citrate and that seems to be working fine. Tried calm child (icky taste), cal-mag fizz (ick) and kirkman's has been the best so far. I was going to order oxypowder but I'd rather try a pill or two before I fork over nearly $50. I'm hoping to test in a few weeks to make sure his calcium/magnesium and potassium levels are OK. Even though it appears that this is a high dosage --I've found nothing that makes me worry that this is causing any harm. BTW -- probiotics haven't made any difference that I can tell. Enzymes might be helping too -- at least the smell is MUCH reduced. I'm going to order No-Fenol -- I've heard that has helped some kids, and I received several as samples and he loved the taste. I wasn't systematic enough with the samples to see if they had any effect. And for the record -- not GFCF, just got tests back from enterob and everything was negative - no gluten or casein intolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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