Re: Black Mold in sinuses?

[Guest guest]

While I'm sure a lab analysis will detect some mold in the ear wax it will

also detect bacteria. So which wouldn't be?

Neither of which necessarily means there is an infection or that the black mass

is all mold (growth). It is almost all wax with some mold and bacteria in it.

Also, there are over 20,000 species of black mold so the color black doesn't

mean it is Stachybotrys chartorum.

Finally, Stachybotrys doesn't survive on wax. It only likes very easily

digestible cellulose like paper, cardboard, and the paper " facing " on the

surface of drywall. Also, the wax would tend to act like the biofilm Dr Thrasher

has been discussing. (BTW, a medical biofilm is not the same as an environmental

biofilm).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Black Mold in sinuses?

Hi all, i'm a bit conerned that whenever i get a sinus flare up there is a black

'wax' building up in my ear. Is it possible this is black mold crowing in the

ear canal? How dangerous is this, can it be tested and treated etc? Ive found in

the past that blasting with oregano oil helps to reduce the build up, howver

that may not be so good for the overall condition of my gut and the black 'wax'

eventually recuurs. Anyone else experience this?

[Guest guest]

That doesn't sound good that you can correlate a discoloration and build

up of a substance in your ears with timing of a sinus infection. But if this

is occurring it would seem logical that the infection affects more than

just your sinuses. I am not a doctor, but am a mother of one with ABPA. I do

know that one can get Aspergillosis of the ear that causes a dark

discharge. I know it can be evident when sinus infections flair up.

ENTs Dr. Sherris and Dr. Ponikau from SUNY have determined that over 90%

of their patients with sinus infections have fungi in their sinuses. Not a

doctor, but if I were a betting woman I would be inclined to think that

there is a fungal element to what is occurring in your ears and the ear canal.

If it were me, I would want to have it cultured to either confirm this or

rule it out.

If you were going to have your sinuses and ears cultured for fungus, I

would highly recommend that Dr. Denning of the University of Manchester be

contacted first. Apparently there is a problem with most hospitals not

knowing how to properly culture for fungi, causing many false negatives. As I

understand it, when one cultures for fungi it takes longer and a proper

medium must be used for the fungi to grow in the petri dish.

According to the Merck Manual:

" Doctors treat aspergillosis in the ear canal by scraping out the fungus

and applying drops of antifungal drugs. "

_http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch197/ch197b.html_

(http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch197/ch197b.html)

If this were me in your situation, I would probably join the Aspergillus

Support Group. Those guys know a lot about actual infection from

fungi and they are always willing to share info. Unfortunately, they have a lot

of experience with various hospitals around the world not knowing how to

treat or culture. The group is out of the University of Manchester. There

are a lot of wise old birds on that board when it comes to chronic infection

and inflammation from colonization of fungi.

This is the Uof M's Aspergillus Trust's website:

_http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/_ (http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/)

Hope that helps.

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/13/2010 10:43:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

grimes@... writes:

While I'm sure a lab analysis will detect some mold in the ear wax it will

also detect bacteria. So which wouldn't be?

Neither of which necessarily means there is an infection or that the black

mass is all mold (growth). It is almost all wax with some mold and

bacteria in it.

Also, there are over 20,000 species of black mold so the color black

doesn't mean it is Stachybotrys chartorum.

Finally, Stachybotrys doesn't survive on wax. It only likes very easily

digestible cellulose like paper, cardboard, and the paper " facing " on the

surface of drywall. Also, the wax would tend to act like the biofilm Dr

Thrasher has been discussing. (BTW, a medical biofilm is not the same as an

environmental biofilm).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[Guest guest]

Carl,

Right. Exactly. I am not a doctor either and cannot give advice to

others. But I can say that if I had black stuff coming out of my ears whenever

I had a sinus infection, I would want to have it investigated as to what it

is so I would know how to get rid of it. If it is fungal, antibiotics

could make it worse. If it is bacterial, antifungals could make it worse.

And if it is both...I don't know what you do!

BTW, Do you know what mothers and fathers did to lessen their children's

pain from ear infections in the fifties and sixties? They used to blow

cigarette smoke into the children's ears.

Found this on the net:

" Have someone blow tobacco smoke into the ear five times while saying,

'Hurt, hurt, go away; go into a bale of hay.â€

Sounds silly, but less silly than the proposition that two PhDs could

apply math to data they borrowed from a rat study and profess to scientifically

prove the toxins of mold in WDB cause no human illness; and then set US

public health policy and train physicians this is true, valid science - while

workers comp & property casualty insurers skate from financial

responsibility for illness from this nonsense.

Talk about blowing smoke!

Sharon

In a message dated 11/14/2010 7:42:48 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

grimes@... writes:

Sharon,

You are correct about Aspergillus being frequently associated with ear

infections but not all waxy buildups and discharge from ears are fungal. I had

that years ago and it was bacterial. Likewise not all blackness is

Stachybotrys and like you I'm not a doctor. Thanks for the correction.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[Guest guest]

That's true. But this one is just blatant fraud of what they have done

over this issue. Based on ONE modeling theory with many flaws and ignored

data, the US set policy that mold toxins were proven not to harm people in

WDB. And from that, it was spun further that anyone claiming illness from

WDB, were liars out to scam insurers. This has been taught in medical

universities, used extensively in claims handling practices and in the courts.

Not hard to understand the deceit of the matter or the purpose behind it.

What I find really interesting these days are how many people want this

and the politics behind it, swept under the rug - in places you would never

guess this is occurring or for what motivations. And what they are willing

to do to work toward this goal. Mold doesn't harm people. Deceit over

the mold issue harms people by aiding to keep the fraud in health policy and

among politicians and other decision makers on the QT.

In a message dated 11/14/2010 11:25:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

advocate_now@... writes:

There is also the conceptual issue of extrapolating data from an non-human

animal study to human animals. Much controversy and criticism these

days--and there should be--about how, say, a rat body is not analagous to a

human

body, and conclusions about human health based on animal models are dubious

at best. There is also the issue of animal ethics but, much as it is

personally important to me, that's not really pertinent to the policy issue.

Sent from my iPhone

[Guest guest]

From someone who had black mold come out of my sinus's a year after

continuously  using anti-fungals.   Fungal infections need to be treated for

a very long time.  After 3 yrs of anti-fungals I am just now just clearing up

my ear canals.   Sinus's and ears are all connected.  

Oregano can deal with bacterial and help the immune system  but not the

mold.    If you are doing oils Melaleuca, or Helichysrum (both anti-fungals)

applied to the back of the ear not in it. or a drop on a cotton ball and gently

placed in earcanal.  the only essential oil on the market that is medicinal is

Doterra.  Everything else is made with solvents.

What ever is in your earwax needs to be cultured for at least 8 weeks and

identified.  Once identified than it should be tested to see which antifungal

kills it. 

Mold is a scavenger and that fact you have earwax is a good sign. 

Hope that helps

a

From: khandalah <candalah@...>

Subject: [] Black Mold in sinuses?

Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 7:15 PM

Hi all, i'm a bit conerned that whenever i get a sinus flare up there is a

black 'wax' building up in my ear. Is it possible this is black mold crowing in

the ear canal? How dangerous is this, can it be tested and treated etc? Ive

found in the past that blasting with oregano oil helps to reduce the build up,

howver that may not be so good for the overall condition of my gut and the black

'wax' eventually recuurs. Anyone else experience this?

Non text portions of this message have been removed]

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

You are correct about Aspergillus being frequently associated with ear

infections but not all waxy buildups and discharge from ears are fungal. I had

that years ago and it was bacterial. Likewise not all blackness is Stachybotrys

and like you I'm not a doctor. Thanks for the correction.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

Re: [] Black Mold in sinuses?

That doesn't sound good that you can correlate a discoloration and build

up of a substance in your ears with timing of a sinus infection. But if this

is occurring it would seem logical that the infection affects more than

just your sinuses. I am not a doctor, but am a mother of one with ABPA. I do

know that one can get Aspergillosis of the ear that causes a dark

discharge. I know it can be evident when sinus infections flair up.

ENTs Dr. Sherris and Dr. Ponikau from SUNY have determined that over 90%

of their patients with sinus infections have fungi in their sinuses. Not a

doctor, but if I were a betting woman I would be inclined to think that

there is a fungal element to what is occurring in your ears and the ear canal.

If it were me, I would want to have it cultured to either confirm this or

rule it out.

If you were going to have your sinuses and ears cultured for fungus, I

would highly recommend that Dr. Denning of the University of Manchester be

contacted first. Apparently there is a problem with most hospitals not

knowing how to properly culture for fungi, causing many false negatives. As I

understand it, when one cultures for fungi it takes longer and a proper

medium must be used for the fungi to grow in the petri dish.

According to the Merck Manual:

" Doctors treat aspergillosis in the ear canal by scraping out the fungus

and applying drops of antifungal drugs. "

_http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch197/ch197b.html_

(http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec17/ch197/ch197b.html)

If this were me in your situation, I would probably join the Aspergillus

Support Group. Those guys know a lot about actual infection from

fungi and they are always willing to share info. Unfortunately, they have a lot

of experience with various hospitals around the world not knowing how to

treat or culture. The group is out of the University of Manchester. There

are a lot of wise old birds on that board when it comes to chronic infection

and inflammation from colonization of fungi.

This is the Uof M's Aspergillus Trust's website:

_http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/_ (http://www.aspergillus.org.uk/)

Hope that helps.

Sharon K

In a message dated 11/13/2010 10:43:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,

grimes@... writes:

While I'm sure a lab analysis will detect some mold in the ear wax it will

also detect bacteria. So which wouldn't be?

Neither of which necessarily means there is an infection or that the black

mass is all mold (growth). It is almost all wax with some mold and

bacteria in it.

Also, there are over 20,000 species of black mold so the color black

doesn't mean it is Stachybotrys chartorum.

Finally, Stachybotrys doesn't survive on wax. It only likes very easily

digestible cellulose like paper, cardboard, and the paper " facing " on the

surface of drywall. Also, the wax would tend to act like the biofilm Dr

Thrasher has been discussing. (BTW, a medical biofilm is not the same as an

environmental biofilm).

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[Guest guest]

There is also the conceptual issue of extrapolating data from an non-human

animal study to human animals. Much controversy and criticism these days--and

there should be--about how, say, a rat body is not analagous to a human body,

and conclusions about human health based on animal models are dubious at best.

There is also the issue of animal ethics but, much as it is personally important

to me, that's not really pertinent to the policy issue.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2010, at 10:16 AM, snk1955@... wrote:

Carl,

Right. Exactly. I am not a doctor either and cannot give advice to

others. But I can say that if I had black stuff coming out of my ears whenever

I had a sinus infection, I would want to have it investigated as to what it

is so I would know how to get rid of it. If it is fungal, antibiotics

could make it worse. If it is bacterial, antifungals could make it worse.

And if it is both...I don't know what you do!

[Guest guest]

My Mr Simba (peekingese) had black stuff coming out his ears.  The Dr said it

was out of control yeast infection.  It was bad.  He gave him ear steroid

drops.  I was hesitant to give them to him.  So I did but with the cautions

that

Dr Thrasher stated as to a 2 week limit.  I only did it for one week.  Then

changed his diet, gave him our supplements and his ears are no longer oozing

black stuff.   He is still on supplements and special diet (ours).  his

health

has improved along with detox baths.  He was paralized and no longer is. 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " snk1955@... " <snk1955@...>

Sent: Sun, November 14, 2010 11:16:15 AM

Subject: Re: [] Black Mold in sinuses?

Carl,

Right. Exactly. I am not a doctor either and cannot give advice to

others. But I can say that if I had black stuff coming out of my ears whenever

I had a sinus infection, I