Re: Cladosporium and Asthma

[Guest guest]

One laboratory actually found that cladosporium can produce mycotoxins. 

problem is because these things are do dam lethal he couldn't find another lab

to 2nd his findings.

All mold is guilty until proved innocent.   there are no such thing as safe

levels.  there is also no gov agency that says there are safe levels. 

So unless your boss is a microbiologist , he's not qualified to make those

statements

From: <jennifer@...>

Subject: [] Cladosporium and Asthma

Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:45 PM

 

Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted

in sudden asthma attacks?

My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not dangerous

because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that cladosporium has

been known to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this

would be appreciated!

Thank you

[Guest guest]

Thank you a for the response!

You would not happen to know what laboratory did the test would you? It

looks like I have to be my own advocate in this case since my employer has

no concern over the health of the employees!

The US seems very cautious to proclaim the dangers of mold. However, I have

seen some research in other countries that are more open to the possibly

that mold truly is a hazard. Who would have thought...??

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM, a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>wrote:

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>

> One laboratory actually found that cladosporium can produce mycotoxins.

> problem is because these things are do dam lethal he couldn't find another

> lab to 2nd his findings.

>

> All mold is guilty until proved innocent. there are no such thing as safe

> levels. there is also no gov agency that says there are safe levels.

>

> So unless your boss is a microbiologist , he's not qualified to make those

> statements

>

>

>

> From: <jennifer@... <jennifer%40trube.biz>>

> Subject: [] Cladosporium and Asthma

> <%40>

> Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:45 PM

>

>

>

>

> Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted

> in sudden asthma attacks?

>

> My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not

> dangerous because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that

> cladosporium has been known to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases

> that agrees with this would be appreciated!

>

> Thank you

>

>

[Guest guest]

The BEST lab Ii have found is Realtime Labs in Dallas. Dr. Hooper is awsome

although it is not cheap by any means. The following is what I have about

Cladisporium...

Cladisporium species are causative agents of skin lesions, keratitis [wide

variety of corneal infections, irritations and inflamations], onychomycosis

[refers to non-dermatophyte nail infections or to any fungal nail infection

caused caused by any fungus], sinusitis [an inflamation of the paranasal sinuses

which may be associated with viral respritory infections and seasonal allergic

problems or hayfever] and pulminary infections while cladisporium carrionii is

considered as an agent of chromoblastomycosis which ia a  subcutaneous

infection

chatergorized by verrucousus lesions and the formation of brown, sclerotic

fission cells, which look like copper pennies, in tissue.... This is sighting a

book called " Mold monsters " It says that OSHA says cladisporium mold health

effects include hypersencativity pneumonitis, dermatitis, and it acts as an

allergen and irritant..... You will forgive me for any typographical errors I

had to copy that word for word. It also says this species must be analized and

handled with caution in a biological saftey cabinet...

Wow, ok so I have forgotten all that myself. Makes allot of sence. I will say

the author of this book is Fry whom I am told has had some problems but

I believe the information here to be correct. It certainly fits with my test

results if I remember correctly. Man the amount of stuff I have forgotten is

pretty bad...  Hope that helps.

Chris...

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From: <jennifer@...>

Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 9:23:03 PM

Subject: Re: [] Cladosporium and Asthma

 

Thank you a for the response!

You would not happen to know what laboratory did the test would you? It

looks like I have to be my own advocate in this case since my employer has

no concern over the health of the employees!

The US seems very cautious to proclaim the dangers of mold. However, I have

seen some research in other countries that are more open to the possibly

that mold truly is a hazard. Who would have thought...??

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:05 PM, a Townsend <kmtown2003@...>wrote:

>

>

> One laboratory actually found that cladosporium can produce mycotoxins.

> problem is because these things are do dam lethal he couldn't find another

> lab to 2nd his findings.

>

[Guest guest]

If you look up cladosporium at http://www.dehs.umn.edu/iaq_fib_fg_gloss.htm, a

web site from the University of Minnesota department of environmental health and

safety, you will read " It is a common allergen. Indoor Cladosporium sp. may be

different than the species identified outdoors. It is commonly found on the

surface of fiberglass duct liner in the interior of supply ducts...... It can

cause mycosis. Produces greater than 10 antigens..... Common cause of extrinsic

asthma (immediate-type hypersensitivity: type I). Acute symptoms include edema

and bronchiospasms, chronic cases may develop pulmonary emphysema. "

Molds do not need to produce mycotoxins to cause a problem. Like many on this

board, that's a lesson I learned the hard way through a workplace moldy HVAC

exposure. Almost any mold can be allergenic, and allergenic molds can induce

astma or other similar respiratory problems such as hypersensitivity pneumonitis

and RADS- Reactive Airway Disfunction Syndrome. For this reason, any mold

problems should be addresses as soon as possible. Hopefully your ignorant boss

will get as sick as everyone else. Maybe then he will have the incentive to get

the problem fixed.

Gil

Cladosporium and Asthma

Posted by: " " jennifer@... kssuks2002

Date: Mon Aug 2, 2010 6:52 pm ((PDT))

Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted in

sudden asthma attacks?

My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not dangerous

because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that cladosporium has

been known to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this

would be appreciated!

Thank you

[Guest guest]

theres also the possabilty that cladosporium was not the only mold you were

exposed to. just because it was the only one found doesn't mean it was the only

type of mold that may be there. there can be other types hidden where they may

not have been found.

mycotoxins are also not the only toxin involved with mold.

>

> Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted in

sudden asthma attacks?

>

> My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not dangerous

because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that cladosporium has

been known to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this

would be appreciated!

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

I was exposed to a trailer and got very bad asthma, a year later the owner said

he had it tested and it was cladosporium. I would also say I have read that it

does produce mycotoxins, and felt them myself. The lung involvement was so bad

that I thought I must have something much worse than asthma, and went for a cat

scan of my lungs.

>

> Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted in

sudden asthma attacks?

>

> My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not dangerous

because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that has been known

to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this would be

appreciated!

>

> Thank you

>

[Guest guest]

A few issues regarding Cladosporium exposure:

Caution should be exercised in assuming that only Cladosporium is the present.

Cladosporium found in air samples is often considered non-problematic because

Cladosporium is generally the most common mold found in outdoor air. However,

exposures to high concentrations of this mold can exacerbate asthma and other

breathing disorders. If there is actually growth of Cladosporium indoors, which

would require excess unplanned moisture, other environmental molds and bacteria

will also be colonizing. Generally, the first molds to colonize on wet building

materials are Penicillium and Aspergillus. Depending on the type of testing

that was done, other organisms might not be detected and/or reported.

When mold and bacteria growth occurs indoors, endotoxins, mycotoxins, spores,

glucans, and other allergens and inflammatory agents will be present.

> >

> > Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted in

sudden asthma attacks?

> >

> > My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not dangerous

because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that has been known

to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this would be

appreciated!

> >

> > Thank you

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Just what I was thinking, also that it was just all BS, because he thought if he

said it was Cladosporium, somehow he would be off the hook. I thought it would

be pretty unlikely that a trailer with water damage would only have one mold

growing in it.

> > >

> > > Does anyone know of cases where PROLONG exposure to cladosporium resulted

in sudden asthma attacks?

> > >

> > > My employer allowed us to be exposed citing that this mold was not

dangerous because it does not contain myctotoxins. But I have heard that has

been known to cause intrinsic asthma. Any info on cases that agrees with this

would be appreciated!

> > >

> > > Thank you

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PCR DNA testing for mold species should have been done. I also doubt that it

was just Cladosporium. There are four types of Cladosporium that are now

recognized: Type I is almost strictly indoor in origin, Type II is both

Indoors and outdoors, Types III and IV are outdoors. Did he type the

Cladosporium?

Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

www.drthrasher.org

toxicologist1@...

Off: 916-745-4703

Cell: 575-937-1150

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Trauma Specialist

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[Guest guest]

No 'type' was given. They simply said that an air test was done and they

found cladosporium but the outdoor levels were higher....

My questions to them were:

When testing was being done was the AC unit on?

Did they test around my computer?

What was the wind speed outside?

Why wasn't the building evacuated when they ADMITTED there was mold?

I had another asthma attack again today. The 'environmental and safety'

people for the company came in and vacuumed some more vents that had obvious

mold on them. No protection was used, no one was evacuated from the

building while mold spores were being disturbed. I even heard the

remediation guy said he was not surprise they did not get it all. I don't

think they even cleaned the AC units! They vacuumed the mold on the vents

and painted them the last round of remediation. I have been breathing this

stuff in for two years now. Whenever the mold is disturbed, like when the

AC is worked on I have an attack and each subsequent attack is worse than

the one before. I was diagnosed with asthma over 10 years ago and never had

an attack, my asthma was very low key. My inhaler would expire before I

could use the whole thing. Now since the mold saga I have had 4 asthma

attacks in the last 2 weeks and three of those I had to go to the ER and the

other one was when I had a follow up doctor appt and he treated me right

away.

The problem I am having is worker's comp does not want to pay for the

hospital bills....

My doctor won't give a definitive answer if the mold is directly related.

He said it is a possibility but he hesitates to to say that is what it is

so his solution is to drug me up so I can breath...I don't think my heart

can take much more treatments! Each time I had to have 4 breathing

treatments in a row to allow my breathing to regulate and I got

IV steroids and and them pills to take. This CANNOT be good for me! To top

it off I am told I need to see the company doctor but I can never get int o

see him, he is always gone. Now I am told it will be back next

Wed....really??!!

Also, I have spoken to several lawyers and none want to touch the case

because it is a work related issue and you cannot sue under worker's

comp....

So, I want to know who is going to pay my asthma bills for the 50 years,

every time I am around the mold now I get sick..... I am positive that

my sensitivity is a result from 2 years of constantly breathing it in....

No one seems to take mold seriously, not doctors, not my employer and not

any lawyers.

I am frustrated and terrified that this is going to drain my financially and

I will still be sick

And all because my employer claims that Cladosporium mold is safe.....

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Jack Thrasher, Ph.D.

<toxicologist1@...>wrote:

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>

> PCR DNA testing for mold species should have been done. I also doubt that

> it was just Cladosporium. There are four types of Cladosporium that are now

> recognized: Type I is almost strictly indoor in origin, Type II is both

> Indoors and outdoors, Types III and IV are outdoors. Did he type the

> Cladosporium?

> Jack-Dwayne: Thrasher, Ph.D.

> Toxicologist/Immunotoxicologist/Fetaltoxicologist

> www.drthrasher.org

> toxicologist1@... <toxicologist1%40msn.com>

> Off: 916-745-4703

> Cell: 575-937-1150

>

> L. Crawley, M.ED., LADC

> Trauma Specialist

> sandracrawley@... <sandracrawley%40msn.com>

> 916-745-4703 - Off

> 775-309-3994 - Cell

>

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