Re: Bacteria & Asthma: Untangling the Links

[Guest guest]

Thinks Carl. The bacteria in the indoor environment of water-damaged buildings

are also part of the health problem.

I do get tired on the constant mentioning of mycotoxins in this forum. When

endotoxins are present at one million EU/g of dust in a home (which I have

found), then one also needs to pay attention to the bacteria.

[] Bacteria & Asthma: Untangling the Links

I originally asked permission to cross-post the article below from

another group and then saw it on several other groups.

It emphasizes several points a number of us have been trying to

communicate to this group for some time. Some of you won't like

it because it doesn't make our situation simple with a single

cause or a single drug or some other high tech cure.

But hopefully it will help some to better comprehend why a cure

isn't available yet and why so many " remedies " may help but few

are sufficient. And why although mold exposure is important and

may have been our primary trigger our problem isn't only mold. It

sometimes isn't even only stopping exposure because of the

involvement of our internal bodily processes.

The point of this article is a critically important concept which we

must begin to understand and appreciate.

Our health or lack thereof is not always the result of one cause

and one effect. It isn't even many causes with many effects. It is

the ecosystem of the human body and its interactions with the

larger ecosystem of our built environment and that of the greater

one outdoors.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

I do believe that everyone is aware of endotoxins being part of the problem. It

is just too cumbersome to write that which is already understood.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Thinks Carl. The bacteria in the indoor environment of water-damaged

buildings are also part of the health problem.

> I do get tired on the constant mentioning of mycotoxins in this forum. When

endotoxins are present at one million EU/g of dust in a home (which I have

found), then one also needs to pay attention to the bacteria.

>

[Guest guest]

I disagree with you. There are new people to this forum and they get caught up

in the mold mycotoxin and detox issues. They should be aware of the complexity

of indoor contaminants.

[] Re: Bacteria & Asthma: Untangling the Links

I do believe that everyone is aware of endotoxins being part of the problem.

It is just too cumbersome to write that which is already understood.

>

> Thinks Carl. The bacteria in the indoor environment of water-damaged

buildings are also part of the health problem.

> I do get tired on the constant mentioning of mycotoxins in this forum. When

endotoxins are present at one million EU/g of dust in a home (which I have

found), then one also needs to pay attention to the bacteria.

>

[Guest guest]

maybe we should just refer to it as   " contamination "  which gathers them all

rather than mold, mycotoxins, bacteria, endotoxins, etc.

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 1:31:10 PM

Subject: [] Re: Bacteria & Asthma: Untangling the Links

 

I do believe that everyone is aware of endotoxins being part of the problem. It

is just too cumbersome to write that which is already understood.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> Thinks Carl. The bacteria in the indoor environment of water-damaged buildings

>are also part of the health problem.

> I do get tired on the constant mentioning of mycotoxins in this forum. When

>endotoxins are present at one million EU/g of dust in a home (which I have

>found), then one also needs to pay attention to the bacteria.

>

[Guest guest]

contamination or wbd stew.. shoemaker calls it mold stew..

sometimes it is the mycotoxins and its not good to generalze that either.

Robin

>

> maybe we should just refer to it as   " contamination "  which gathers them

all

> rather than mold, mycotoxins, bacteria, endotoxins, etc.

>

>  

>  

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

[Guest guest]

Contamination could be from chemical also and other things. If you can think of

a four letter word that describes it all, filth I guess, five letters. Same

conditions creat both and same solutions except for medication. Tests are

different.

>

> maybe we should just refer to it as   " contamination "  which gathers them

all

> rather than mold, mycotoxins, bacteria, endotoxins, etc.

>

>  

>  

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

I think either Sick building or water damaged buildings is sufficient. They

define in general terms what is going on.

[] Re: Bacteria & Asthma: Untangling the Links

Contamination could be from chemical also and other things. If you can think

of a four letter word that describes it all, filth I guess, five letters. Same

conditions creat both and same solutions except for medication. Tests are

different.

>

> maybe we should just refer to it as  " contamination "  which gathers them

all

> rather than mold, mycotoxins, bacteria, endotoxins, etc.

>

> Â

> Â

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

[Guest guest]

is CSM also supposed to pull endotoxins (in most people)?

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> I disagree with you. There are new people to this forum and they get caught

up in the mold mycotoxin and detox issues. They should be aware of the

complexity of indoor contaminants.

>