Re: Who Do You Believe? And Why?

[Guest guest]

Thats fine, Jeanine. Thank you for being so kind.

Im angry at the way he words his prognosis. I dont think all " dreadeds " get sick

even with exposure. Dr Klinghart thinks pyloluria is key here. Fix pyloluria and

the HLA types do not express so much. Kids are I both have pyloluria and are

addresing. Perhaps that is also relevant.

Robin

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> there are other factors involved. the exposure is what makes us sick, not the

genes. soory I'm not up to trying to get much deeper into this subject than I

already have. I understand why you are so conserned but I fell pretty confident

in saying that if you can get in a toxin free environment it should help you

fell much better

> to this day I have a hard time trying to consentrate on more than one thing at

a time and I cant multitask anymore.

> I dont have lyme and really dont know much about it, soory, I no it has alot

of the same effects and seems to affect some more than others.

>

[Guest guest]

I think you forgot that you were the one that corrected me, saying that my

advice about 6 mil was wrong, essentially--but it doesn't really matter. What

matters is that I totally agree with everything you said, below. And I thank you

for acknowledging how your message sounded.

Had a funny email today from a gardening group. It had this Shel Silverstein

quote, which made me chuckle:

What did the carrot say to the wheat?

Lettuce rest, I'm feeling beet.

~ Shel Silverstein

I used to have a cute lithograph when I was little. It was of some peas and

lettuce, and its caption had a similar sentiment:

Lettuce give peas a chance.

Peace. Rest. That's all any of us want. I hope you get some, too.

-AN

>

> I didn't mean to upset you but you are right that I overdid the

> comparisons between you and me.

>

> I was trying to make the point that most of us really have no idea

> how we decide what and who to believe. So we usually go with

> our " gut " (even if it isn't healthy), or friends, or authorities, or

> whatever we find most convincing.

>

> So I wanted to start a conversation about how members of this

> group make their decisions on what to believe and why.

>

> As for the 4-6 mil vs greater than 6 mil plastic barrier, that is a

> distraction from the basic issue. The basic issue is our houses

> will be healthier for us if we do not have open dirt crawlspaces.

> Moisture barriers (not retarders) should be installed over the open

> dirt to fix this problem.

>

> It's not often anyone could have a valid or rational argument

> against barriers. But when they do offer an argument it can

> generally be dealt with by explaining the physical laws of nature

> including how mold, moisture, temperature, materials, etc

> function and inter-relate. That is one type of fact.

>

> HOW we create that barrier is not factual and is open to

> discussion. A number of variables, especially climate, can

> influence a decision about specific barriers which ideal vs

> practical and affordable.

>

> Another example, killing mold. It is a FACT that live mold spores

> can infect, but rarely do. It is a FACT that live and dead spores,

> spore fragments, and hyphal fragments all contain the

> components to which susceptible people will react. Therefore, it

> is a FACT that killing mold won't stop any of that and can often

> make exposure worse.

>

> It is a FACT that we can use fungicides, bleach, hydrogen

> peroxide or voodo to clean the mold, whether they kill mold or

> not. And it is also a FACT that unnecessary actions cost

> unnecessary money, which many of us can ill afford to waste.

>

> Again, I truly appreciate your comments, challenges, and

> corrections. It is bringing out some necessary detail.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the lovely sentiment, Advocate!

sally

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From: advocate_now <advocate_now@...>

Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:17:07 PM

Subject: [] Re: Who Do You Believe? And Why?

 

I think you forgot that you were the one that corrected me, saying that my

advice about 6 mil was wrong, essentially--but it doesn't really matter. What

matters is that I totally agree with everything you said, below. And I thank you

for acknowledging how your message sounded.

Had a funny email today from a gardening group. It had this Shel Silverstein

quote, which made me chuckle:

What did the carrot say to the wheat?

Lettuce rest, I'm feeling beet.

~ Shel Silverstein

I used to have a cute lithograph when I was little. It was of some peas and

lettuce, and its caption had a similar sentiment:

Lettuce give peas a chance.

Peace. Rest. That's all any of us want. I hope you get some, too.

-AN

[Guest guest]

I am a newbie to the group, however...

The news of Dr. Thrasher's departure really concerns me...reading some of his

papers gave me a sense of real Hope for the first time in over 2 years...and

actually lead me to this forum...

....so I wonder what his leaving says about his research & his belief...

....and how his absence will affect this group.

a

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

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> Robin: I agree with you. There is no need to bring a war into the arena of

those who are ill. You can contact me personally. I have decided to leave this

forum.

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[Guest guest]

a, I believe he has a website you can go to and read and perhaps he won't

mind an email from you but you will find that there are othres in group

knowledgeable just due to being through this that can be helpful but I can't

answer that for you. You just have to read here and decide. We appreciate the

help of experts but we have no arrangement to keep them here. It was entirely

voluntary. So they came at their own free will and have the free will to leave

also. Nothing we can do.

>

> I am a newbie to the group, however...

>

> The news of Dr. Thrasher's departure really concerns me...reading some of his

papers gave me a sense of real Hope for the first time in over 2 years...and

actually lead me to this forum...

>

> ...so I wonder what his leaving says about his research & his belief...

>

> ...and how his absence will affect this group.

>

> a

>

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[Guest guest]

Thank you for your thoughts...I will definitely be sticking around to gain as

much knowledge as I can about what is really keeping me so sick.

I look forward to learning from you all & am thankful to be a member of this

group.

:)a

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> a, I believe he has a website you can go to and read and perhaps he won't

mind an email from you but you will find that there are othres in group

knowledgeable just due to being through this that can be helpful but I can't

answer that for you. You just have to read here and decide. We appreciate the

help of experts but we have no arrangement to keep them here. It was entirely

voluntary. So they came at their own free will and have the free will to leave

also. Nothing we can do.