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I only know that mold has caused me to have serious temperature issues, cold and

hot like you describe but generally not so quickly changing. Usually the hot or

cold lasts for hours before changing. I especially get very hot in my head and

chest and am continually using a cold hand to cool my chest. In summer with 100

degree temperatures it was awful, was using ice and washcloths all the time.

I hope you find the cause. Some outdoor contaminant coming in? Is anyone

spraying? painting? Have you had a lot of rain or humidity? Mold?

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The temperature fluctuations probably result from increases and decreases in

pro-inflammatory cytokines that are produced with expoures, e.g. Interleukin 1,

TNF-alpha.

Jack Thrasher, Ph.D.

Toxicologist, Immunotoxicologist, Fetal toxicologist

Cell - 575-937-1150 Cell-Thrasher

Crawley, M.ED., LADC

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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2011 01:22:15 +0000

Subject: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

I only know that mold has caused me to have serious temperature issues, cold and

hot like you describe but generally not so quickly changing. Usually the hot or

cold lasts for hours before changing. I especially get very hot in my head and

chest and am continually using a cold hand to cool my chest. In summer with 100

degree temperatures it was awful, was using ice and washcloths all the time.

I hope you find the cause. Some outdoor contaminant coming in? Is anyone

spraying? painting? Have you had a lot of rain or humidity? Mold?

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Thank you for responding.  I do literally mean sudden.  Every 5-10 minutes and

I

am going nuts about it.  I have to put something on, then  5-10 minutes I am

sweating  a lot and have to take it off and I am burning up. 

 

 I have temp changes with mold, m sweats were at night, this is all day and all

anight long. 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: anita paulsen <apami@...>

Sent: Sat, January 1, 2011 8:22:15 PM

Subject: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

I only know that mold has caused me to have serious temperature issues, cold and

hot like you describe but generally not so quickly changing. Usually the hot or

cold lasts for hours before changing. I especially get very hot in my head and

chest and am continually using a cold hand to cool my chest. In summer with 100

degree temperatures it was awful, was using ice and washcloths all the time.

I hope you find the cause. Some outdoor contaminant coming in? Is anyone

spraying? painting? Have you had a lot of rain or humidity? Mold?

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Mayleen, I've read all your posts and I have to say, you have really gone

through so much. I'm not surprised you have this latest symptom, given the sewer

and mold and everything. I'm really sorry to hear about all you've been through.

~AN

From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:02 AM

Thank you for responding.  I do literally mean sudden.  Every 5-10

minutes and I

am going nuts about it.  I have to put something on, then  5-10 minutes I am

sweating  a lot and have to take it off and I am burning up. 

 

 I have temp changes with mold, m sweats were at night, this is all day and all

anight long. 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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Everyone should be aware of the dangers of sewer (sewage) exposure. These are

hydrogen sulfide and other reduced gaseous sulfur compounds (Neurotoxins and

very toxic to mitochondria, very irritating to lungs, skin and eyes); any and

all volatiles (microbial and solvents, etc.); Gram negative bacteria and their

endotoxins; Gram positive and their exotoxins, and potential infections from the

sewer bacteria. In addition, you will have eventual exposure to mold, yeast and

bacteria that have grown on the water damaged materials in the home. I have

been involved in a situation of an exposure of this type regarding two adults

and their 15 year old daughter. All are very ill as results of the multiple

toxins.

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Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:02 AM

Thank you for responding. I do literally mean sudden. Every 5-10 minutes and

I

am going nuts about it. I have to put something on, then 5-10 minutes I am

sweating a lot and have to take it off and I am burning up.

�

I have temp changes with mold, m sweats were at night, this is all day and

all

anight long.

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Im amazed too. You are a very strong person Mayleen. I really feel for you and

everyone effected by this nightmareish illness. You are in my thoughts hon. I

wish there was more i could do for you. Hugs

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Thank you so very much Dr Thasher for responding.  I understand what you have

stated here. It seems I cannot get out of one trap or another.  It follows us

around like the plague as does the abuse we endure.

I have one additional thing I was pondering about last night.  I had a severe

exposure to formaldehyde. To the point my hands were burnt, the skin had

blisters and it broke open.  Looked like second degree burns to me.  Raw, red,

blistered, cracked open. 

My question can this also have caused these wild body temperature changes ?? 

Can it disrupt my thyroid that is weak ( I only have half of it and it has a

nodule). I have had hyperthyroidism about 30 years ago which went away after

treatment.  ????

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 12:33:20 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

Everyone should be aware of the dangers of sewer (sewage) exposure. These are

hydrogen sulfide and other reduced gaseous sulfur compounds (Neurotoxins and

very toxic to mitochondria, very irritating to lungs, skin and eyes); any and

[snip]

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Thank you Ann for reading my posts and responding to me. For some weird reasn I

am not getting all of my messages. I only found yours because of Dr Thasher's

responce. Thank you for your support. It seems it all follows us around like a

bad tail we cannot get rid of. I pray you are doing better. God Bless ! May

>

> From: dragonflymcs <dragonflymcs@...>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

>

> Date: Sunday, January 2, 2011, 3:02 AM

>

>

> Thank you for responding.  I do literally mean sudden.  Every 5-10

minutes and I

>

> am going nuts about it.  I have to put something on, then  5-10 minutes I am

>

> sweating  a lot and have to take it off and I am burning up. 

>  

>

>  I have temp changes with mold, m sweats were at night, this is all day and

all

>

> anight long. 

> God Bless !!

>

> dragonflymcs

>

> Mayleen

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

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I do not think that formaldehyde in an by itself causes temperature fluctuations

like you describe. Formaldehyde is an adductor to DNA and proteins causing

mutations and well as antibody responses to the adduct proteins. The skin

reaction you describe appear to be Hypersensitivity Types II-IV, and possibly

Type I.The formaldehyde most likely has added to your health problems.

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Everyone should be aware of the dangers of sewer (sewage) exposure. These are

hydrogen sulfide and other reduced gaseous sulfur compounds (Neurotoxins and

very toxic to mitochondria, very irritating to lungs, skin and eyes); any and

[snip]

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Thank you Dr Thrasher, I am grateful.  Now if I could just get out of this

swamp........ that would help......

 

  

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 8:00:40 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

I do not think that formaldehyde in an by itself causes temperature fluctuations

like you describe. Formaldehyde is an adductor to DNA and proteins causing

mutations and well as antibody responses to the adduct proteins. The skin

reaction you describe appear to be Hypersensitivity Types II-IV, and possibly

Type I.The formaldehyde most likely has added to your health problems.

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Mayleen, as an Industrial Hygienist, I can't help but wonder what your exposure

was? It sounds like you dipped your hands in concentrated formaldehyde, or were

frequently using a cleaner/liquid with formaldehyde (HCHO))as an ingredient.

Please can you provide details.

Thank You.

>

> Thank you so very much Dr Thasher for responding.  I understand what you have

> stated here. It seems I cannot get out of one trap or another.  It follows us

> around like the plague as does the abuse we endure.

>

>

> I have one additional thing I was pondering about last night.  I had a severe

> exposure to formaldehyde. To the point my hands were burnt, the skin had

> blisters and it broke open.  Looked like second degree burns to me.  Raw,

red,

> blistered, cracked open. 

>

>

> My question can this also have caused these wild body temperature changes ?? 

> Can it disrupt my thyroid that is weak ( I only have half of it and it has a

> nodule). I have had hyperthyroidism about 30 years ago which went away after

> treatment.  ????

>  

>

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

>

> Sent: Sun, January 2, 2011 12:33:20 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

>

>  

> Everyone should be aware of the dangers of sewer (sewage) exposure. These are

> hydrogen sulfide and other reduced gaseous sulfur compounds (Neurotoxins and

> very toxic to mitochondria, very irritating to lungs, skin and eyes); any and

> [snip]

>

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Hi , 

I walked into a Wal- mart (there I said the bad word)  LOL   It was freezing

here I did not have how do deal with the cold.   I looked at clothes, got

sick,

left and the both of us were burnt.  Faces, lips, hands.   I had the worst

burns

of all on my hands. 

 

I guess they came in with the mother load of formaledhyde. 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: <scottarmour@...>

Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 7:47:58 PM

Subject: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

Mayleen, as an Industrial Hygienist, I can't help but wonder what your exposure

was? It sounds like you dipped your hands in concentrated formaldehyde, or were

frequently using a cleaner/liquid with formaldehyde (HCHO))as an ingredient.

Please can you provide details.

Thank You.

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Mayleen,

since formaldehyde is used in some clothing mfr applications (e.g., wrinkle

free), did you figure out which thing you touched? Again, as a hygienist, if

there is no exposure there should be no illness/symptom. I would love to know th

source so we could no the exposure concentration. To cause large 'burns' one

would expect large contact area.

Have you had similar past experience - especially with objects your are

absolutely certain contained formaldehyde?

Your severe " burns " are intriguing because the reaction was immediate.

I'd like to hear a toxicologist or skin expert tell me how this could happen.

>

> Hi , 

> I walked into a Wal- mart (there I said the bad word)  LOL   It was

freezing

> here I did not have how do deal with the cold.   I looked at clothes, got

sick,

> left and the both of us were burnt.  Faces, lips, hands.   I had the worst

burns

> of all on my hands. 

>  

> I guess they came in with the mother load of formaledhyde. 

>

> God Bless !!

> dragonflymcs

> Mayleen

>

>

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Fascinating reply, Dr Thrasher.

, If I were to make your statement I'd probably modify it

from, " as a hygienist... I would love to know th source so we could

no (sic) the exposure concentration. " to " as a hygienist... I would

love to know the source so we could *attempt* to know the

exposure concentration. And, conversely, I'd love to measure

something to help determine the source. "

As you know, many exposure sources and their concentrations

for the hyper-reactive have not been successfully detectable both

for known and unknown reasons. Either below the minimum

detection limit, testing for the wrong substance, or the " trigger " is

actually a combination of factors both exogenous and

indogenous.

It also carries the hystorical assumption that if we can't measure

it then it is doesn't exist and therefore any claimed effect cannot

be physical in nature. Usually implying but sometimes stated that

the claim is therefore, by process of elimination, psychogenic.

And the latest, as our mutual colleague recently posted on

another forum, there is the mystery of the disappearing statistical

correlation in an article in The New Yorker titled, " The Truth

Wears Off " by Jonah Lehrer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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: Formaldehyde is an adductor. It binds to proteins causing the

formation of denatured proteins which act as antigenic determinants.

The immune response to these new antigenic determinants include

Hypersensitivity Types I to IV. The British have added Type V

(autoimmune diseases). Once sensitized the immune reaction to minute

amounts can cause severe skin reactions involving Types II, III and IV.

Hypersensitivity Types II, III and IV can appear suddenly and look like

skin burns. I published on this subject many years ago regarding

exposure to formaldehyde in mobile homes and in a ureaformaldehyde

spill in Alaska. The formaldehyde resins are used for both antiwrinkle

effect and fire retardation. The formaldehyde concentrations in the

mobile homes were as low as 0.05 ppm at the time of testing. The

concentrations in the Alaska spill are in the paper below:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1567939/pdf/envhper0

0414-0211.pdf

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Mayleen,

since formaldehyde is used in some clothing mfr applications (e.g.,

wrinkle free), did you figure out which thing you touched? Again, as a

hygienist, if there is no exposure there should be no illness/symptom. I

would love to know th source so we could no the exposure concentration.

To cause large 'burns' one would expect large contact area.

Have you had similar past experience - especially with objects your are

absolutely certain contained formaldehyde?

Your severe " burns " are intriguing because the reaction was immediate.

I'd like to hear a toxicologist or skin expert tell me how this could

happen.

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: Formaldehyde is an adductor. It binds to proteins causing the formation

of denatured proteins which act as antigenic determinants. The immune response

to these new antigenic determinants include Hypersensitivity Types I to IV. The

British have added Type V (autoimmune diseases). Once sensitized the immune

reaction to minute amounts can cause severe skin reactions involving Types II,

III and IV. Hypersensitivity Types II, III and IV can appear suddenly and look

like skin burns. I published on this subject many years ago regarding exposure

to formaldehyde in mobile homes and in a ureaformaldehyde spill in Alaska. The

formaldehyde resins are used for both antiwrinkle effect and fire retardation.

The formaldehyde concentrations in the mobile homes were as low as 0.05 ppm at

the time of testing. The concentrations in the Alaska spill are in the paper

below:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1567939/pdf/envhper00414-0211.pdf

[] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

Mayleen,

since formaldehyde is used in some clothing mfr applications (e.g., wrinkle

free), did you figure out which thing you touched? Again, as a hygienist, if

there is no exposure there should be no illness/symptom. I would love to know th

source so we could no the exposure concentration. To cause large 'burns' one

would expect large contact area.

Have you had similar past experience - especially with objects your are

absolutely certain contained formaldehyde?

Your severe " burns " are intriguing because the reaction was immediate.

I'd like to hear a toxicologist or skin expert tell me how this could happen.

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Carl: Thank you. Help me figure this one out. For some reason your emails are

going directly to me delete file. How do I correct this?

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Fascinating reply, Dr Thrasher.

, If I were to make your statement I'd probably modify it

from, " as a hygienist... I would love to know th source so we could

no (sic) the exposure concentration. " to " as a hygienist... I would

love to know the source so we could *attempt* to know the

exposure concentration. And, conversely, I'd love to measure

something to help determine the source. "

As you know, many exposure sources and their concentrations

for the hyper-reactive have not been successfully detectable both

for known and unknown reasons. Either below the minimum

detection limit, testing for the wrong substance, or the " trigger " is

actually a combination of factors both exogenous and

indogenous.

It also carries the hystorical assumption that if we can't measure

it then it is doesn't exist and therefore any claimed effect cannot

be physical in nature. Usually implying but sometimes stated that

the claim is therefore, by process of elimination, psychogenic.

And the latest, as our mutual colleague recently posted on

another forum, there is the mystery of the disappearing statistical

correlation in an article in The New Yorker titled, " The Truth

Wears Off " by Jonah Lehrer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Hi ,   

Thanks for responding.  I am concernd about this myself.  The burns were bad

and

I am affraid of children being injured.  I was touching (reading labels so not

much skin contact).  The clothes were either folded or hanging on hangers, none

of which were permanent press or wrinkle free.  I was looking for 100%

cotton.  

So I had to read labels.   I am sure  (positive) it was WaL-Mart.  We both

got

burns.  I suffered the worse burns,   I have since spoken to a cashier there

and

she suspects clothes are burning her too.  complained of dry, bruned hands.  

She told me to complain as they were having problems too.   She has had daily

contact with clothing items.  I had one day conatct.  We have the burns after

some healing on film now.  Water made the burns worse.  When my hands were

washed or placed in water the burning started all over.  They were pretty bad.

I

would love for someone to investigate this.  I have found this online after

looking :   i am really upset that this has happened before and contnues to

happen. 

Lead has gotten a lot of press lately, especially with the recent recalls of a

whole lotta Mattel toys. Lead, however, is not the only problem you may

encounter with products made in China. A New Zealand investigative television

show is set to reveal that scientists found 500 times the safe amount of

formaldehyde in woolen and cotton clothing made in China.

http://www.parentdish.com/2007/08/19/chinese-clothing-may-be-toxic/

http://www.safbaby.com/formaldehyde-free-baby-and-childrens-clothing-companies

Wal-Mart Department Store Co., Ltd. in Beijing in sales, in nominal Shenzhen

Airlines Cashmere Products Co., Ltd. produced " JEANBERGER " leisure pants

(170/80A); billion passenger-long Haotian Trading Company's sales, nominal by

the City of Guangdong Province Harvard Road Clothing Co., Ltd. production,

" Harvard Road, " trousers (23), were found excessive formaldehyde.

http://www.sourcejuice.com/1012534/2006/11/15/Wal-Mart-been-selling-pants-formal\

dehyde-file/

https://windsorpeak.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=311759 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: <scottarmour@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 9:09:43 AM

Subject: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

Mayleen,

since formaldehyde is used in some clothing mfr applications (e.g., wrinkle

free), did you figure out which thing you touched? Again, as a hygienist, if

there is no exposure there should be no illness/symptom. I would love to know th

source so we could no the exposure concentration. To cause large 'burns' one

would expect large contact area.

Have you had similar past experience - especially with objects your are

absolutely certain contained formaldehyde?

Your severe " burns " are intriguing because the reaction was immediate.

I'd like to hear a toxicologist or skin expert tell me how this could happen.

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Please keep telling me more.  I also get burns from paper, I cannot even get

mail, both respiratory inability and I get skin burns

 

  God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: Carl E. Grimes <grimes@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:57:40 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

Fascinating reply, Dr Thrasher.

, If I were to make your statement I'd probably modify it

from, " as a hygienist... I would love to know th source so we could

no (sic) the exposure concentration. " to " as a hygienist... I would

love to know the source so we could *attempt* to know the

exposure concentration. And, conversely, I'd love to measure

something to help determine the source. "

As you know, many exposure sources and their concentrations

for the hyper-reactive have not been successfully detectable both

for known and unknown reasons. Either below the minimum

detection limit, testing for the wrong substance, or the " trigger " is

actually a combination of factors both exogenous and

indogenous.

It also carries the hystorical assumption that if we can't measure

it then it is doesn't exist and therefore any claimed effect cannot

be physical in nature. Usually implying but sometimes stated that

the claim is therefore, by process of elimination, psychogenic.

And the latest, as our mutual colleague recently posted on

another forum, there is the mystery of the disappearing statistical

correlation in an article in The New Yorker titled, " The Truth

Wears Off " by Jonah Lehrer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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All I can tell you is that you appear to be having a severe immune response with

the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

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Fascinating reply, Dr Thrasher.

, If I were to make your statement I'd probably modify it

from, " as a hygienist... I would love to know th source so we could

no (sic) the exposure concentration. " to " as a hygienist... I would

love to know the source so we could *attempt* to know the

exposure concentration. And, conversely, I'd love to measure

something to help determine the source. "

As you know, many exposure sources and their concentrations

for the hyper-reactive have not been successfully detectable both

for known and unknown reasons. Either below the minimum

detection limit, testing for the wrong substance, or the " trigger " is

actually a combination of factors both exogenous and

indogenous.

It also carries the hystorical assumption that if we can't measure

it then it is doesn't exist and therefore any claimed effect cannot

be physical in nature. Usually implying but sometimes stated that

the claim is therefore, by process of elimination, psychogenic.

And the latest, as our mutual colleague recently posted on

another forum, there is the mystery of the disappearing statistical

correlation in an article in The New Yorker titled, " The Truth

Wears Off " by Jonah Lehrer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Most likely some sort of setting in your email program. Or your ISP detects me

as spam. I have no issues with other groups or individuals.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

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Carl: Thank you. Help me figure this one out. For some reason your emails are

going directly to me delete file. How do I correct this?

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Fascinating reply, Dr Thrasher.

, If I were to make your statement I'd probably modify it

from, " as a hygienist... I would love to know th source so we could

no (sic) the exposure concentration. " to " as a hygienist... I would

love to know the source so we could *attempt* to know the

exposure concentration. And, conversely, I'd love to measure

something to help determine the source. "

As you know, many exposure sources and their concentrations

for the hyper-reactive have not been successfully detectable both

for known and unknown reasons. Either below the minimum

detection limit, testing for the wrong substance, or the " trigger " is

actually a combination of factors both exogenous and

indogenous.

It also carries the hystorical assumption that if we can't measure

it then it is doesn't exist and therefore any claimed effect cannot

be physical in nature. Usually implying but sometimes stated that

the claim is therefore, by process of elimination, psychogenic.

And the latest, as our mutual colleague recently posted on

another forum, there is the mystery of the disappearing statistical

correlation in an article in The New Yorker titled, " The Truth

Wears Off " by Jonah Lehrer.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Thank you Dr Thrasher, but it was in french LOL   can I now have a discription

in plain english. 

 

 Severe Inflamation  i understand , the other part a little more detail maybe

??   Thank you

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 8:14:28 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

All I can tell you is that you appear to be having a severe immune response with

the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

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I cannot say it any other way. I will try something else. When the immune

system is activated (both humoral and innate), the cells produce

pro-inflammatory chemicals (cytokines) that cause the inflammation you are

experiencing. The only defense is to stay away from the offending environments.

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All I can tell you is that you appear to be having a severe immune response

with

the production of pro-inflammatory cytokines.

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Thank you again Dr Thrasher.   I guess my body is an inflammatory mess.  I

will

definately read up some more on this.   Thank you once again.   

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:23:01 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

I cannot say it any other way. I will try something else. When the immune system

is activated (both humoral and innate), the cells produce pro-inflammatory

chemicals (cytokines) that cause the inflammation you are experiencing. The only

defense is to stay away from the offending environments.

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Thanks ,  I wonder if anyone is doing anything about this.  I know how it

happened to me, but what about a child???

 

 

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

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From: sue <svican@...>

Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:20:22 PM

Subject: Re: [] Re: Dr/ Help Temperature Changes

 

also check this out on clothing making people sick:

<http://www.thecanaryreport.org/2010/10/31/horror-fil/>

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