Dr. Shoemaker

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 00-02-04 14:35:17 EST, you write:

<< hi michelle,

dr. shoemaker is not connected to the military info.

:attending physician approval is necessary to participate..... certain

criteria must be met. "

WRITE (no faxes)

dr. shoemaker

1604 market st.

po 25

pokomke city

MD 21851

" you must include a PREPAID PRIORITY MAIL ENVELOPE. "

much luck. let me know if you are to participate!

hope,

kay

>>

Hi All,

Sorry - what did I miss here? Is this a research " project? "

Thanks!

Chris

[Guest guest]

>>>also there is a doc shoemaker who will be starting a study on using

cholestyramine to remove neurotoxins from the bodies of long term lymies.

" he became involved with this study when he discovered the cause and

treatment of pfiesteria, a dinoflagellate disease which also involves

neurotoxins, that was KILLING FISH along the EAST COAST. "

[Guest guest]

Hi Kay,

Thanks for info.

Also, wanted to ask you if you've been getting some harrassment on / from

list. I'm feeling like " we're smoking them out. "

I deleted this post - (my reply is below) maybe you saw it... Was posted by

JVSPL@.... Do you " know " this person? (I had simply posted about my

daughter's most effective treatment being the acupuncture. Never told her

not to have surgery...)

Also, got another rather nasty email yesterday - deleted it without thinking

about this aspect - don't remember who posted it or even what the content

was...

I know " they " must be on list & it seems they're starting to show their

colors...

What do you think?

Blessings & velcro hugs,

Chris

<<Subj: Re: [Lyme-aid] Acupuncture/spinal cord

Date: 00-02-06 05:51:39 EST

From: DobeLovr1

lyme-aidonelist

In a message dated 00-02-05 11:32:13 EST, you write:

<< Alternatives to modern medical

treatment can be effective, however there are times that there are no

alternatives to surgery!

Please stop playing doctor!

This is serious and dangerous!

Jane >>

Dear Jane,

NOT TRYING TO " PLAY DOCTOR " - doing what everyone else is doing - sharing

what worked for them.

FYI - surgeries are not without risk, either.

Good luck

[Guest guest]

Hi chris, everyone, I feel that Jan (jvspl) is only trying to get the point

across about our spinal conditions as being serious. I truly feel that some

are having just pains in the neck (literally!!!) while others have true

degeneration. Please do not 'git onto her' about it, I know how she means

what she is saying, this can be VERY serious. Glad acupuncture helped you

daughter! But I know it wont help me. Your friend in Lyme, Pepi

Re: [Lyme-aid] Dr. Shoemaker

> From: DobeLovr1@...

>

> Hi Kay,

>

> Thanks for info.

>

> Also, wanted to ask you if you've been getting some harrassment on / from

> list. I'm feeling like " we're smoking them out. "

>

> I deleted this post - (my reply is below) maybe you saw it... Was posted

by

> JVSPL@.... Do you " know " this person? (I had simply posted about my

> daughter's most effective treatment being the acupuncture. Never told her

> not to have surgery...)

>

> Also, got another rather nasty email yesterday - deleted it without

thinking

> about this aspect - don't remember who posted it or even what the content

> was...

>

> I know " they " must be on list & it seems they're starting to show their

> colors...

>

> What do you think?

>

> Blessings & velcro hugs,

>

> Chris

>

> <<Subj: Re: [Lyme-aid] Acupuncture/spinal cord

> Date: 00-02-06 05:51:39 EST

> From: DobeLovr1

> lyme-aidonelist

>

> In a message dated 00-02-05 11:32:13 EST, you write:

>

> << Alternatives to modern medical

> treatment can be effective, however there are times that there are no

> alternatives to surgery!

>

> Please stop playing doctor!

> This is serious and dangerous!

> Jane >>

>

> Dear Jane,

>

> NOT TRYING TO " PLAY DOCTOR " - doing what everyone else is doing - sharing

> what worked for them.

>

> FYI - surgeries are not without risk, either.

>

> Good luck

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Pepi, and all who don't know,

Jane is a valued and long time member of Lyme-aid, she has just not

posted much lately so some of you are not familiar with her. I am pretty

sure she hasn't posted much as she is still recovering from her spinal

surgery, attending PT a lot and fighting LD. I agree with her comment about

" Let's not Play doctors " I almost replied to her post stating I agreed, but

never got to it, as I got distracted. Like Pepi says, she was only relating

her experiences, and stating a plain fact we all must remember....none of us

have all the answers here, (not even the docs sometimes) and we should only

use this list to give personal opinions and relate our own experiences,

nothing posted to this list or anywhere else on the internet is to be

trusted as " carved in stone gospel " We must keep this in mind. A few days

back, I think it was was talking about getting a spinal tap, many of

us responded trying to deter her from depending on that procedure to be

diagnostic of LD. Many of us had bad experiences with the procedure and

found out it was a complete waste of time. Yet, I know one guy, who elected

to get it, and was fortunate enough to have his IV approved based on

readings of other tests they did, (not specifically for LD). I felt sorry

for the poor girl, her test was scheduled for Friday, I think, she really

had no time to absorb and reflect on our opinions and experience. Sometimes

we are able to pass along good advice or relate our own experiences, but by

and by the final decision should always be the patient's and they should try

to get their information from all sources available, and especially from the

doctor. In the example of Jane, many of us tried to talk her out of the

surgical procedure, not knowing all the details. It turned out to be quite

serious indeed, and now she has permanent spinal cord injury. Thank the

Lord she listened to her doctors and not to me.

Nuff said,

Marta

> From: " Rodney A .Metzler " <rod@...>

>

> Hi chris, everyone, I feel that Jan (jvspl) is only trying to get the

point

> across about our spinal conditions as being serious. I truly feel that

some

> are having just pains in the neck (literally!!!) while others have true

> degeneration. Please do not 'git onto her' about it, I know how she means

> what she is saying, this can be VERY serious. Glad acupuncture helped you

> daughter! But I know it wont help me. Your friend in Lyme, Pepi

[Guest guest]

,

His first name is Ritchie. He practices in Pocomoke, land. His

website is http://www.chronicneurotoxins.com.

Rich

> Hi All,

>

> What is Dr. Shoemaker's first name? What state does he practice

in? Does he have a web site?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

What's the coag neg staph? And what other tests did Shoemaker do? Did he test

for mold?

Dr. Shoemaker

Yes, met med Oct. I reported followup on phone consult 5 weeks later which

basically he has all his own personal gene number sequences that he puts a lot

of faith in, of which I am certainly not convinced, and said he thinks I had

mold as cause of my CFS. I already know mold affects me but I think it

probably affects everyone here and is one of the things that basically kicks a

person

when they're already down and makes them even worse--sorta how we maybe get

mercury poisoned after we are sick b/c of losing our ability to detox and thus

making us worse. I am like a and think he's brilliant and glad I saw him

but seeing him was not any major turning point for me. I got much better

results with my LLMD in VA b/c she was willing to let me try abx and even

helped

me form Jadin protocol I did from June-Sept and also recommended the Chisolm

TF

and was even going to write me prescription for Canadian bee venom source to

do injections if I wanted to (after 4 months of live bee stings and winter

hitting and not seeing any major improvement late 2002 I haven't done bee

stings

yet, but it was lots of fun actually). I did find test results from Shoemaker

interesting though and saw my TNF alpha was not high at all and got tested

for the coag neg staph which I always wanted to rule out so it was worth

seeing

him for that alone. I did CSM for 2.5 months and slowly improved and then

relapsed when I came off it. I don't want to use it continuously since b/c

I'm

not crazy about taking the stuff long term. Interestingly Shoe did not say

anything about my IGeneX pos IgM WB.

In a message dated 4/23/2004 7:25:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

Did you meet with Shoemaker? What happened with that?

[Guest guest]

:

What kind of detox protocol have you done?

Thanks,

Original Message -----

From: jseaton357@...

Sent: Friday, April 23, 2004 5:51 AM

Subject: Dr. Shoemaker

Oh, forgot to add that I had low MSH and VEGF which he says is the worst two

things to have. He said I had the lowest VEGF. I was like " Lowest??? " and he

corrected himself and said " Ok, ONE of the lowest, ok " . That is vascular

endothelial growth factor. I understand him to no longer doing staphage

lysate

(SPL) any longer and that would not only kill the coag neg staph in the nose

but also raise VEGF levels, resulting in a sick person feeling much better

while

on it. I actually saw newly formed capilaries on the skin surface of a

friend who was on SPL. In my last post I think I said I was neg for coag neg

staph. No, I have it as does most of the population, but I did not have

multiple

abx resistant type which is the toxic forming type. That's the key. So

anyway, now Shoe will have to treat the coag neg staph with abx, which is

perhaps

unfortunate b/c SPL was considered good stuff by the friend of mine who used

it.

[Guest guest]

So why did he stop the DPL?

Doris

----- Original Message -----

I understand him to no longer doing staphage lysate

(SPL) any longer and that would not only kill the coag neg staph in the nose

but also raise VEGF levels, resulting in a sick person feeling much better

while

on it.

[Guest guest]

It was part of a research study, and the study ended. Because it has not met

with FDA approval yet, it can only be used for research purposes.

lindajhamilton (DOT) ,net

Re: Dr. Shoemaker

> So why did he stop the DPL?

> Doris

> ----- Original Message -----

> I understand him to no longer doing staphage lysate

> (SPL) any longer and that would not only kill the coag neg staph in

the nose

> but also raise VEGF levels, resulting in a sick person feeling much

better while

> on it.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I have been reading old posts but not finding what I want to know. Can someone

who has seen Dr. Shoemaker email with how it went, what it cost, etc. I took

the vision test and didn't do so well. But I am a long way from there and

wonder how I can get my doctor wo try his mothods. SHe has ordered some of the

tests he requests but not all.

I was exposed to mold, aspergillis F, stachy, and some others coming from my

hvac vents for nearly four years. When they finally cleaned up the room they

used tons of toxic chemicals, day after day, no air venting, lots of rain, more

leaks, more chemicals.

I finally went to bed and didn't get up for weeks. While my school insists they

just tried to help me I think they knew what they were doing as there had been

others who had fallen ill, three people died.

In any case I just want to get better if I can, if csm will help or something

else, I will try it.

Thanks, Meredith

[Guest guest]

Meredith, I was a teacher and got sick from my school. I left in Jan. '04

and NEVER returned! I have also been a patient of Dr. Shoemaker's since

Dec. '03 and have had lots of success.Honestly I was so sick I thought I was

going to die and not one local Dr. knew what was wrong. I was told everything

from anxiety, stress, allergies, arthritis, sinus problems, heel spurs,

tennis elbow,bad rotator cuff, CFS, and last but not least a virus that would

probably go away sometime in the future!!! I was tested for Lyme, MS,

arthritis, Lupus, and more only to be told I was negative for all. My ceiling

was wet everytime it rained or snowed, hallway carpet was wet each time it

rained. Housekeeping was horrible and the building was not well maintained.

They also sprayed for insects and only shampooed the carpets during the

summer. We returned one fall to find mold growing on some of the carpets like

grass!!! Three inspections were done and each one was worse than the first

and they only tested the air. Never tested pieces of carpet, tiles, or

paneling! Extremely dirty window AC units. Left them uncovered during the

winter. Students and teachers with symptoms but only one other teacher and

myself got a confirmed diagnosis. It was hushed up, church and school never

shared the reports with parents or staff and told everyone that it was cleaned

up, all was well and that the health of the children was their main

concern!! School is still open! One person died, one retired because they are

so

sick and others have many health issues. Some parents listened and removed

their children others stayed because they never knew or they believed what

they were told. We are all different ...we are exposed to different toxins

and for different periods of time. I for one feel lucky that I got out in

time and that Dr. Shoemaker's protocol worked for me. I will never be 100%,

but I am SO much better than I was. I am unable to work, I don't go out

much, and I AVOID moldy old/new buildings. I have learned where and I go and

can't by trial and error. If some place makes me sick then I never go back.

I trust my instincts and always look around when I go into a building AND

I carry a mask. No fragrances of any type at all!!!

Sue

I have been reading old posts but not finding what I want to know. Can

someone who has seen Dr. Shoemaker email with how it went, what it cost, etc.

I took the vision test and didn't do so well. But I am a long way from

there and wonder how I can get my doctor wo try his mothods. SHe has ordered

some of the tests he requests but not all.

I was exposed to mold, aspergillis F, stachy, and some others coming from

my hvac vents for nearly four years. When they finally cleaned up the room

they used tons of toxic chemicals, day after day, no air venting, lots of

rain, more leaks, more chemicals.

I finally went to bed and didn't get up for weeks. While my school insists

they just tried to help me I think they knew what they were doing as there

had been others who had fallen ill, three people died.

In any case I just want to get better if I can, if csm will help or

something else, I will try it.