Re: Disembodied feelings from leaving everything behind.

[Guest guest]

first of all, calm down,take some deep breaths,

next mentally delete the word extreme from your mind.

by adding this word to the situation you are basicly causeing unneeded stress,

to yourself and possably to others, cant speak for everyone here but it causes

my anixity to go up to even here that word.

first of all, getting out of the place that made you sick is less and less is

always better. as far as what your getting exposed to from your belongings (if

thats so) vs. liveing in the constant exposure situation you were in. you got to

understand that getting out was the first step to getting better. NOT WORSE! BUT

BETTER!

if you have washed things over and over again, you might want to consider that

cross contamination is not the problem.

you can be reactive to other things you breath, and eat.

tell us what you have brought with you that you fell is cross contaminated. how

and what you washed them with, we need more information. if your convienced

about the cross contamination thing have you considered putting your belongings

in storage for awhile?

if little things, store them in airtight plastic contaners for awhile,

you might tolerate them better with time. that way you dont have to get rid of

them, but if you fell they are causeing you reactions, you

can find out by removeing them,storeing them, if that doesn't help, you well

know theres others things in your environment that you are reacting to. also

consider that for a while after you get out your body is still dealing with the

exposure. how long have you been out of that place? cross contamination is not

always the culprit.

things can and well get better but it takes time.

do you realize that you now are most likely reactive to other things in the

environment, gases, purfumes, cleaning supplies, deoderants, shampoos, soaps,

laundry soaps, ect.

>

> Does anyone else experience this?

>

> Im finding it hard to keep leaving everything behind all the time. I guess we

become attached to our belongings as they remind us of who we are. How do others

deal with this?

>

> I feel like leaving everything behind makes me a bit crazy. I dont know how to

keep dealing with it. Im very tempted to just take the few belongings i have

with me. The problem also is that with mcs its extremely expensive to buy new

ORGANIC bedding and clothing everytime i move. I have say 5k savings and buying

a few items of clothing and bedding costs $500 each time. Then there is the

issue of supllememts, shoes etc etc,

>

> I almost feel i'd rather die than having to keep dealing with the anxiety any

more and the disembodyment feelings i get when leaving everything behind. As

well the worst reactions i get seem to be to outdoor mold and aspergilis on

vegies like onion which seem hard to avoid.

>

> Also after moving and hopefully establishing a mold free, and other

contaminant free environment does this mean we have to wash everytime we go out

into society and come back home?

>

> Has anyone with severe symptoms just taken thier stuff and somehow recovered

without going to extreme avoidane?

>

> I keep asking myself is the goal to avoid everything and everone or to somehow

build some semblance of health and resistence back whilst perhaps still getting

mild exposure from belongings. Id much rather go down that path even if it takes

10 times as long to get better than extreme avoidance but dont want to get

worse.

>

> I feel like im going insane and feeling suicidal occasionally. I cant fathom

how to live a happy life if im leaving everything behind and obsessively washing

things all the time and worrying about cross contamination. Really whats the

point of living if beibg in a constant state of fear about all this and with

others not understanding and thinking more and more that you are either ocd or a

psych case. Next time i move it will be away from everyone that i love, i have

lost my job, relationships, accommodation, savings etc.

>

> I could really do with some kind words/ comfort.

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply

I dont feel like i cross contaminated when i came here at all, rather this is

the 3rd house ive been in with a mold problem.

The window sills are all black with mould on the bottom of the windows in the

bathroom, bedrooms and loungeroom. Also there was a water from a pipe and there

is black mould growing all over it. Its in one of the bedrroms and i got sick

going in there. Its not as bad as the last two houses i have been in but i can

smell the mustiness in the bathroom and sometimes loungeroom hence needing to

move again. Im afraid now of taking my stuff with me to another house. There

seem to be two camps here, one says to take minimal or nothing, others that

things can be washed. Its frustrating, who to listen too? Its all so esoteric.

If i make the wrong decision and just and take everything i could be worse cause

wasing doesnt get rid of everything as there is more than just mould spores?

Im very reactive to mould indoor and out and yes i do have mcs which is why

everything needs to be organic. When i came here the formaldahyde on the new

clothing was just too much. Having severe mcs means that the next house i go to

is the only one ive been able to find in 6 weeks that is mould and chemical free

since i cant handle houses that have been chemically cleaned, pesticide sprayed,

refurbished etc.

But im also wondering how people cope when they move houses and are they still

vigilant. my mum is living in a really bad mouldy house and its going to be

horrible if she cant visit due to her cross contaminating the house. I just find

it hard to sort out the two camps and the differences of opinion, know what i

mean? Once its done its done which is what causes me so much anxiety.

What i would like to take is my supplements from original mouldy house, clothes

from current mouldy house, leather bag, sheets, oxygen tank etc

> >

> > Does anyone else experience this?

> >

> > Im finding it hard to keep leaving everything behind all the time. I guess

we become attached to our belongings as they remind us of who we are. How do

others deal with this?

> >

[Guest guest]

Two things you said really resonated with me-I threw everything I owned out that

was in a moldy basement. Books, pictures, a pool table, toys, tons of things I

was saving for grandchildren, etc. I mourned that stuff for months. I cried when

it got hauled out and then I mourned like someone died. It was extremely

traumatic and I can't explain it. I still throw things out occasionally when

they get moldy but it will never be as bad as that first time. I keep buying

appliances-especially AC's-because they just keep getting moldy-it's so

expensive that eventually I will stop using ac's probably. It's not worth it.

But bedding is essential-I know this is going to sound trite but lately I keep

things outside in the sun for a month. My bedroom chest drawer got moldy (I

don't know how) and I just can't throw out my bedroom set (not yet anyway) so I

left the drawer out in the sun. It worked (wasn't too contaminated, just a

smell, no stains). If you have the time and a place to do it, can you rotate

bedding? Leave a set outside for a month then switch? Sometimes the simple

solutions work really well (don't be angry if it sounds like I'm minimizing your

problem-I'm not just for me I need to hear all ideas so I can figure it out).

Having said that, I think it's the mold that made me feel like that and it's the

mold that is making you feel suicidal. I know now that it was the huge amounts

of mold that made that situation so unbearable.

Mold screws with your head. You need to know that and accept that totally. I

felt suicidal in my worst times-I can even tell you what I would have written on

my suicide note and how I planned to do it. But then I got rid of the major mold

problem and, though it took a year at least, I came out of it.

Now when I feel depressed I say " it's the mold, it's the mold " and try to wait

it out. It's horrible. But it helps to know it's not you-IT'S THE MOLD!

Good luck, Surella

>

> Does anyone else experience this?

>

> Im finding it hard to keep leaving everything behind all the time. I guess we

become attached to our belongings as they remind us of who we are. How do others

deal with this?

>

><snip>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Surella,

I'm not normally an anxious person like this. It just seems that there are no

answers to all rhis. The house im moving into has AC too which i just hate the

idea of. Never lived in an air cinditioned house before and i hate the thought

of how quickly it could spread any mould or grow it. Why do your acs keep

getting moldy? How long have you been out of the wdb and are you recovering?

The suicidal feelings are rare and yes im sure come from the mold but also just

knowing that im getting worse here and having very few housing options open due

to the mcs. I know of others who've been looking for a year for appropriate mcs

safw housing and in meantime are still living in mouldy houses.

So.. When i find somewhere promising i want to make sure i dont cross

contaminate know what i mean? I wish more people would chime in on this.vi wish

someone knowledgable could say definatively whether its possible to clean

clothes and non porus items instead of it just being different opinions from

different people and no clear cut answers.

Really i feel like saying to hell with it and not even washing anything cause

im sick to death of thinking about mold, and its not just mold but all the other

stuff. I hate all the anxiety that builds in me. I suppose i will take very

little and try to explain it to the next lot of people im staying with and try

and deal with the financial losses yet again.

You say you threw out all the stuff in your basement, did you keep things in the

rest of your house? Yes i find it very traumatic to throw everything out, maybe

it wouldnt be so bad if i had somewhere permanent to go, hadnt lost my ability

to work, had a partner who was coming with me, finances and didnt have to leave

town and everyone here that i love to afford somewhere to rent. It would be

easier to throw out if i knew i was going to be able to rebuild instead of being

in limbo. Know what i mean?

>

> Two things you said really resonated with me-I threw everything I owned out

that was in a moldy basement. <snip>

[Guest guest]

It's so tough to know what to take and alot of this is trial and error with us

being the ones that suffer if we make a mistake. That's the best we can do

though.

PS both my son AND daughter live in moldy houses. My daughter literally just

bought a house with so much mold that the one and only time I visited my legs

shook for 24 hours after. She has a new baby too and I will never ever see them

now. It's awful and they are actually angry at me-especially my son-in-law, he

doesn't believe me at all.

>

> Thanks for the reply

> I dont feel like i cross contaminated when i came here at all, rather this is

the 3rd house ive been in with a mold problem.

>

> The window sills are all black with mould on the bottom of the windows in the

bathroom, bedrooms and loungeroom. Also there was a water from a pipe and there

is black mould growing all over it. Its in one of the bedrroms and i got sick

going in there. Its not as bad as the last two houses i have been in but i can

smell the mustiness in the bathroom and sometimes loungeroom hence needing to

move again. Im afraid now of taking my stuff with me to another house. There

seem to be two camps here, one says to take minimal or nothing, others that

things can be washed. Its frustrating, who to listen too? Its all so esoteric.

If i make the wrong decision and just and take everything i could be worse cause

wasing doesnt get rid of everything as there is more than just mould spores?

>

> Im very reactive to mould indoor and out and yes i do have mcs which is why

everything needs to be organic. When i came here the formaldahyde on the new

clothing was just too much. Having severe mcs means that the next house i go to

is the only one ive been able to find in 6 weeks that is mould and chemical free

since i cant handle houses that have been chemically cleaned, pesticide sprayed,

refurbished etc.

>

>

> But im also wondering how people cope when they move houses and are they still

vigilant. my mum is living in a really bad mouldy house and its going to be

horrible if she cant visit due to her cross contaminating the house. I just find

it hard to sort out the two camps and the differences of opinion, know what i

mean? Once its done its done which is what causes me so much anxiety.

>

> What i would like to take is my supplements from original mouldy house,

clothes from current mouldy house, leather bag, sheets, oxygen tank etc

[Guest guest]

Yes, I know what you mean! I also can't work and spent a couple of years

fighting the mold in my house. But it's SO scary to move, right? So I tried to

stay and I don't have any savings anymore but I stayed. My husband is still with

me but you gotta know it's not the same anymore.

I threw out alot of stuff-mostly the basement. For some reason, even though the

mold spores came up to the first floor, nothing got contaminated. I can't

explain it because you know, if it had bothered me I would have thrown it out!

There were things that I stayed away from upstairs-my husband's office was too

dusty for me-I can't tolerate paper dust; I couldn't sit on my sofas for the

longest time because the fabric was just too dusty. I'm not a bad housekeeper

just some things hold dust-the reason i ripped up all my carpeting too. I

changed all the florescent light fixtures because I couldn't tolerate them. So

there was alot I got rid of upstairs but not because of the mold.

I have very bad luck with my AC's-2 went because my neighbor did construction

and the dust landed on my ac's and mold grew. It was also the worst hot summer

in NY and the ac probably had alot more condensed water after being shut off. I

now know not to shut it off immediately-let it run on fan to dry the condensed

water. The cars ac's I just don't know. Another ac had a design flaw that had

the water pooling on the bottom-stupid.

I remediated my house successfully. It took all my money and alot of time but

moving, at the time, seemed scarier to me. So now I live with a bare clean

basement with no walls, floors or anything in it except for 2 dehumidifiers. But

the war against mold goes on for me. There was mold behind a kitchen cabinet

because a piece of insulation had gotten wet during my construction 20 YEARS

AGO! There was mold in my washing machine-I don't know how. There was mold in my

husband's synagogue and I was sick for weeks till I figured out why I got sick

when he came home-now he's banned from there. I had a leak in the kitchen and

the water just barely touched the cabinets and I had to throw out a whole moldy

side of my kitchen-nightmare. On and on. Don't even get me started on VOC's!

Surella

> >

> > Two things you said really resonated with me-I threw everything I owned out

that was in a moldy basement. <snip>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi K, I am so sorry to hear all that you are going through. I go through similar

feelings regularly. On the one hand, I try to tell myself that it's just stuff;

that buddhists tell us that suffering is caused by attachment, and what am I

feeling but attachment, and attachment to stuff, which holds no real meaning but

the meaning I ascribe to it? On the other hand, I too am having a hard time

financially--and the thought of replacing everything is a real hardship. And

that paralyzing feeling--what if I move and nothing gets solved? All too

familiar to me. I had a mind to move, then I was scared, and now I am back to

moving--the illness drives me. The insufferable denial that I keep getting from

others, ignorant people I might add, drives me. I don't have any really good

advice, guidance, or answers. Except that, when you get stuck in a moment of

reiterating thoughts, rumination that just keeps you spiraling, try to do

something that makes you feel

good--even if its just listening to a bit of music--and come back to the issues

when you aren't feeling so vulnerable. Kind thoughts, AN

Make an island of yourself,

make yourself your refuge;

there is no other refuge.

Make truth your island,

make truth your refuge;

there is no other refuge.

Digha Nikaya, 16

P.S. The references to buddhism aren't intended to intrude on anyone's religious

beliefs. Many nuns, priests, pastors, and clergy incorporate buddhist thought

into their practices and beliefs.

From: khandalah <candalah@...>

Subject: [] Re: Disembodied feelings from leaving everything

behind.

Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 11:59 AM

Thanks for the reply

I dont feel like i cross contaminated when i came here at all, rather this is

the 3rd house ive been in with a mold problem.

The window sills are all black with mould on the bottom of the windows in the

bathroom, bedrooms and loungeroom. Also there was a water from a pipe and there

is black mould growing all over it. Its in one of the bedrroms and i got sick

going in there. Its not as bad as the last two houses i have been in but i can

smell the mustiness in the bathroom and sometimes loungeroom hence needing to

move again. Im afraid now of taking my stuff with me to another house. There

seem to be two camps here, one says to take minimal or nothing, others that

things can be washed. Its frustrating, who to listen too? Its all so esoteric.

If i make the wrong decision and just and take everything i could be worse cause

wasing doesnt get rid of everything as there is more than just mould spores?

Im very reactive to mould indoor and out and yes i do have mcs which is why

everything needs to be organic. When i came here the formaldahyde on the new

clothing was just too much. Having severe mcs

[Guest guest]

Seems like there's no escaping it.

Barth

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s> It's so tough to know what to take and alot of this is trial and error with

us being the ones that suffer if we make a mistake. That's the best we can do

though.

s> PS both my son AND daughter live in moldy houses. My daughter literally just

bought a house with so much mold that the one and only time I visited my legs

shook for 24 hours after. She has a new

s> baby too and I will never ever see them now. It's awful and they are actually

angry at me-especially my son-in-law, he doesn't believe me at all.

[Guest guest]

I was in your exact situation many years ago. I also couldn't imagine ever

finding an environment in which I could ever live and function. I shared the

same terrible thoughts, that you now have, which were brought on by my

depression. My toxic mold-triggered illnesses drove me into insanity, and my

insanity justified, in the mind of everyone around me, that my insanity had made

me imagine all the illnesses that I claimed to have.

My past experiences, which YOU are experiencing now, are all a distant memory of

the past. I no longer even have the nightmares about my past, that I used to

have.

I am now healthy. And you will be healthy too! When you are healthy, in your

future, those friends and relatives, who stick by you, through your present

ordeal, and are still in your life, when you are a healthy person, will still

consider you to be a " crazy person " , but a " crazy person " who can carry on a

normal conversation. Don't expect them, in the future, to ever acknowledge the

physical suffering that you are experiening NOW. Just accept that your

experience, and mine, was too different from anything that they have ever

experienced, to allow them to know YOUR truth.

Hold on to their friendship, in any case,as the disembodyment feelings, that you

describe, has only one antidote: " human contact and human warmth " . If you can

only obtain this antidote, from people who think you are crazy, then accept the

antdote, anyway. It works for me.

God Bless,

Your mold buddy, Joe

........................................

>

> Does anyone else experience this?

>

> Im finding it hard to keep leaving everything behind all the time. I guess we

become attached to our belongings as they remind us of who we are. How do others

deal with this?

>

> I feel like leaving everything behind makes me a bit crazy. I dont know how to

keep dealing with it. Im very tempted to just take the few belongings i have

with me. The problem also is that with mcs its extremely expensive to buy new

ORGANIC bedding and clothing everytime i move. I have say 5k savings and buying

a few items of clothing and bedding costs $500 each time. Then there is the

issue of supllememts, shoes etc etc,

>

> I almost feel i'd rather die than having to keep dealing with the anxiety any

more and the disembodyment feelings i get when leaving everything behind. As

well the worst reactions i get seem to be to outdoor mold and aspergilis on

vegies like onion which seem hard to avoid.

>

> Also after moving and hopefully establishing a mold free, and other

contaminant free environment does this mean we have to wash everytime we go out

into society and come back home?

>

> Has anyone with severe symptoms just taken thier stuff and somehow recovered

without going to extreme avoidane?

>

> I keep asking myself is the goal to avoid everything and everone or to somehow

build some semblance of health and resistence back whilst perhaps still getting

mild exposure from belongings. Id much rather go down that path even if it takes

10 times as long to get better than extreme avoidance but dont want to get

worse.

>

> I feel like im going insane and feeling suicidal occasionally. I cant fathom

how to live a happy life if im leaving everything behind and obsessively washing

things all the time and worrying about cross contamination. Really whats the

point of living if beibg in a constant state of fear about all this and with

others not understanding and thinking more and more that you are either ocd or a

psych case. Next time i move it will be away from everyone that i love, i have

lost my job, relationships, accommodation, savings etc.

>

> I could really do with some kind words/ comfort.

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's not really about loseing the belongings, it's about loseing

yourself. it's about change, and sometimes trying to hold on to anything,is you

trying to hang on to who you use to be.

trying to hang on to what was in hopes of getting that back.

>

> From: khandalah <candalah@...>

> Subject: [] Re: Disembodied feelings from leaving everything

behind.

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 7, 2010, 11:59 AM

>

> Thanks for the reply

>

> I dont feel like i cross contaminated when i came here at all, rather this is

the 3rd house ive been in with a mold problem.

>

>

>

> The window sills are all black with mould on the bottom of the windows in the

bathroom, bedrooms and loungeroom. Also there was a water from a pipe and there

is black mould growing all over it. Its in one of the bedrroms and i got sick

going in there. Its not as bad as the last two houses i have been in but i can

smell the mustiness in the bathroom and sometimes loungeroom hence needing to

move again. Im afraid now of taking my stuff with me to another house. There

seem to be two camps here, one says to take minimal or nothing, others that

things can be washed. Its frustrating, who to listen too? Its all so esoteric.

If i make the wrong decision and just and take everything i could be worse cause

wasing doesnt get rid of everything as there is more than just mould spores?

>

>

>

> Im very reactive to mould indoor and out and yes i do have mcs which is why

everything needs to be organic. When i came here the formaldahyde on the new

clothing was just too much. Having severe mcs

>

[Guest guest]

The worst thing I did was keep struggling to " replace " my old life. Of course no

one knows until they try if doing so will be possible or not. But there went all

my money, trying to get a home, apt , or studio so I could work. Now I accept

that for me, none of the things I used to do will work for me. It has taken 8

years to get there. I have thrown away all my things 3 times. Maybe 3 and a

half. I have stopped crying and learned to endure. I live in a small metal

building with no interior walls or insulation. If I don't keep it really clean

and go over it with a blowtorch a few times a week, I get sick. All my limited

furniture is metal. It is winter, and I am cold a lot, but better than last year

when I was sleeping in the truck with no tent. I am not recommending this

lifestyle to anyone. Just telling you that the major problem I had was trying to

get it all back. People must access their own situation, and do what is best for

their health. Don't hold up the past as an example of what you need. Your body

will tell you what it needs now.

karen

>

> Hi K, I am so sorry to hear all that you are going through. I go through

similar feelings regularly. On the one hand, I try to tell myself that it's just

stuff; that buddhists tell us that suffering is caused by attachment, and what

am I feeling but attachment, and attachment to stuff, which holds no real

meaning but the meaning I ascribe to it? On the other hand, I too am having a

hard time financially--and the thought of replacing everything is a real

hardship. And that paralyzing feeling--what if I move and nothing gets solved?

All too familiar to me. I had a mind to move, then I was scared, and now I am

back to moving--the illness drives me. The insufferable denial that I keep

getting from others, ignorant people I might add, drives me. I don't have any

really good advice, guidance, or answers. Except that, when you get stuck in a

moment of reiterating thoughts, rumination that just keeps you spiraling, try to

do something that makes you feel

> good--even if its just listening to a bit of music--and come back to the

issues when you aren't feeling so vulnerable. Kind thoughts, AN

>

>

> Make an island of yourself,

>

> make yourself your refuge;

>

> there is no other refuge.

>

> Make truth your island,

>

> make truth your refuge;

>

> there is no other refuge.

>

> Digha Nikaya, 16

> P.S. The references to buddhism aren't intended to intrude on anyone's

religious beliefs. Many nuns, priests, pastors, and clergy incorporate buddhist

thought into their practices and beliefs.

>

>

> -

>

>

>

> Im very reactive to mould indoor and out and yes i do have mcs which is why

everything needs to be organic. When i came here the formaldahyde on the new

clothing was just too much. Having severe mcs

>

[Guest guest]

What a nightmare with your ongoing fight against mold! Im so sorry this has

happened to you. It must be very disheartening and a constant source of

distraction for you. I hope that you have made some gains by at least cleaning

the basement and keeping it mold free. Its the neverending vigilance that we

will have to maintain for the rest of our lives.

[Guest guest]

Thanks An, i know the answers arent easy to come by but it does help to talk.

Yes its the expense of having to replace everything. I have so much i could take

with me that could help... Supplements which are undoubtably helping my health,

organic bedding etc. Its so frustrating to leave it behind. Sorry that you are

facing similar dilemas.

Also i want my mum and boyfriend to be able to stay since its a 5 hour drive but

since they are both in moldy houses i cant see how they could without me

provding clothes for thier stay and instructing them to bring nothing with them!

Thats another reason why emotionaaly it would be a lot easier to bring

everything and keep an open door policy with the rest of the world, not having

to worry about cross contamination. Already my mum is talking about staying for

5 days after xmas and to have to tell her yes you can do that but you must

shower, change clothes and brng nothing is so crazy. But, i got very sick in her

house too from mold. Ugh.

[Guest guest]

Thanks An, i know the answers arent easy to come by but it does help to talk.

Yes its the expense of having to replace everything. I have so much i could take

with me that could help... Supplements which are undoubtably helping my health,

organic bedding etc. Its so frustrating to leave it behind. Sorry that you are

facing similar dilemas.

Also i want my mum and boyfriend to be able to stay since its a 5 hour drive but

since they are both in moldy houses i cant see how they could without me

provding clothes for thier stay and instructing them to bring nothing with them!

Thats another reason why emotionaaly it would be a lot easier to bring

everything and keep an open door policy with the rest of the world, not having

to worry about cross contamination. Already my mum is talking about staying for

5 days after xmas and to have to tell her yes you can do that but you must

shower, change clothes and brng nothing is so crazy. But, i got very sick in her

house too from mold. Ugh.

[Guest guest]

C there's no reason why you have to get rid of your suppliments, put them in a

zip lock after you leave the moldy house but before you enter the new one. Your

second problem can be easily solved but can be expensive. Your going to have to

buy new clothes for your mother and your b/f beings you know what I just went

through I would wait till you detox somewhat and you can better handle small

amounts of spores/micotoxins.

>

> Thanks An, i know the answers arent easy to come by but it does help to talk.

Yes its the expense of having to replace everything. I have so much i could take

with me that could help... Supplements which are undoubtably helping my health,

organic bedding etc. Its so frustrating to leave it behind. Sorry that you are

facing similar dilemas.

>

> Also i want my mum and boyfriend to be able to stay since its a 5 hour drive

but since they are both in moldy houses i cant see how they could without me

provding clothes for thier stay and instructing them to bring nothing with them!

Thats another reason why emotionaaly it would be a lot easier to bring

everything and keep an open door policy with the rest of the world, not having

to worry about cross contamination. Already my mum is talking about staying for

5 days after xmas and to have to tell her yes you can do that but you must

shower, change clothes and brng nothing is so crazy. But, i got very sick in her

house too from mold. Ugh.

>

[Guest guest]

This is exactly what I do. In order to see my grandchildren I have told my kids

to bring them but that I will change their clothes here and that none of their

belongings come into my house. Consequently, when my daughter had the new baby

(it's a boy!) her son stayed with me for a week and his stuff stayed outside my

house the whole time. I laid all his clothes out on the back steps just in case

but I didn't use anything. I have a small wardrobe for him in my house and he

wears only my stuff. It's ridiculous that both my kids should live in moldy

houses but there it is.

Ask your mom if she would mind leaving her stuff out in the fresh air and not in

the house and if she can bring freshly washed clothes sealed in a bag to wear

(this works occasionally-in general everything still has a touch of mold).

Good luck, Surella

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> Thanks An, i know the answers arent easy to come by but it does help to talk.

Yes its the expense of having to replace everything. I have so much i could take

with me that could help... Supplements which are undoubtably helping my health,

organic bedding etc. Its so frustrating to leave it behind. Sorry that you are

facing similar dilemas.

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> Also i want my mum and boyfriend to be able to stay since its a 5 hour drive

but since they are both in moldy houses i cant see how they could without me

provding clothes for thier stay and instructing them to bring nothing with them!

Thats another reason why emotionaaly it would be a lot easier to bring

everything and keep an open door policy with the rest of the world, not having

to worry about cross contamination. Already my mum is talking about staying for

5 days after xmas and to have to tell her yes you can do that but you must

shower, change clothes and brng nothing is so crazy. But, i got very sick in her

house too from mold. Ugh.

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