TMJ

May 18, 1999

Mike,

I have TMJ in addition to my AIH.

Tami (AIH)

chollyfam@...

July 5, 1999

" HOLMES, MARK T. " wrote:

>

> From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)

>

> anyone have problems with their TMJ and RA?

Mark, I had this problem during the long Herxheimer I had after starting

AP. Most times I could get a spoon in my mouth providing the food was

in the 'well' of the spoon, and I could raise it to my mouth. Other

times I had to put the food and water in a blender and use a straw.

Ethel

July 6, 1999

Mark, are you on any kind of anti-inflammatory? (foolish question) If not,

and if you can take them, you might experiment and see if they help. My TMJ

had been gone for two or three years (after 10 days of a strong antibiotic).

Then one day a couple of years ago, tinges of the old pain reappeared

there. My husband had some Tolectin capsules, and Tolectin had been

prescribed for me before for a low-back problem. So, I took only one or

two, and it vanished and I haven't had any more problems. Billie

rheumatic TMJ

>From: MHOLMES@... (HOLMES, MARK T.)

>

>anyone have problems with their TMJ and RA? Lately, when getting up in the

>morning, I have had a hard time opening my mouth very well and it makes it

>hard to shovel the food down! Some mornings it doesn't bother me - other

>mornings it can last well into the afternoon. Not very pleasant. Was just

>curious - seems like I remember some folks talking about TMJ.

>

>thanks,

>Mark

>

>---------------------------

July 6, 1999

It's weird - today my jaw is much better. Seems like one day it's terrible,

then the next it's ok. Kind of strange in that usually my migrations last a

while longer in each joint. I'm happy it's not here this morning and will

pray that it doesn't come back - my right wrist felt like it was broken this

morning, so it's taking up the slack from the TMJ feeling ok. Glad to know

my other aches and pains are not abandoning me ! ) ho,ho!

And yep, I'm on anti-inflammatories

Mark

Re: rheumatic TMJ

> From: " Billie Garmon " <bsgttx@...>

>

> Mark, are you on any kind of anti-inflammatory? (foolish question) If

not,

> and if you can take them, you might experiment and see if they help. My

TMJ

> had been gone for two or three years (after 10 days of a strong

antibiotic).

August 12, 1999

PaleGrnPts@... wrote:

>

> found out what was causing it to tell him!! My chiropractor told me what was

> wrong. Then he did some adjustments to my jaw and over a few trips cleared

> up the problem. (It's due to stress--duh!!) Anyway, it only bothers me once

Another treatment involves the use of a very thin plastic plate between

the teeth at night. This is the same thing the DDS' do for people who

grind their teeth. But make no mistake - stress is actually the LEAST

problematic cause of TMJ. Lazy tongue is much more common (often caused

from bottle feeding & pacifiers) and traumatic injury.

Stress-related TMJ is an easy issue to resolve, comparatively speaking.

Lazy tongue, while it can be resolved without surgical intervention, is

a long term project and can be quite frustrating for the pt. Traumatic

injuries are, of course, right up there with birth defects and are the

worst by far.

10-20 years ago virtually no DDS had heard of TMJ problems. Seems these

days most of them have finally caught on. The real kicker is what can

flow from TMJ, especially lazy-tongue related TMJ as a result of

long-term unidentified digestive maladies.

--

Geoff Crenshaw -----------------------

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March 1, 2001

Marsha, if you can find a neuromuscular therapist specializing in TMJ work

you will get some good results from those treatments.

Christel

March 1, 2001

prov1126@... wrote:

>

> Has anyone had any experience with TMJ?

newsgroup - sci.med.dentistry.

Dr. Boyd. the NTI device he uses is the only thing that works with my

jaws. And I've spent $$$$$$ on dentists and their regular bite splints.

He used to have a web site http://www.drjimboyd.com

I don't know if it still works or not.

March 1, 2001

Marsha,

I had TMJ problems in my late 20's-early 30's. Made the mistake of going to

a dentist to correct it, and he wanted to try all kinds of enstein

stuff on me, but Thank God, I had just found out I was pregnant, and

couldn't do any of the stuff he wanted--no X-Rays, no surgery, nothing.

I say thank God, because my TMJ, (which stands for temporomandibular joint),

problems cleared up by itself! Over time, it just resolved. I had the

clicking, and popping of the joint in my jaw, and at one point couldn't even

open my mouth very far. But, I let is go, and tried not to worry about it.

Got through my pregnancy, had a beautiful baby girl, and all is and has been

well for almost 10 years now!

So, my advice is to stay away from dentists who want to play doctor on your

bones, because I think God can do a better job. There have been magazine

articles about people who have had to live with messed up jaws and

disintegrating teflon implants in their jawbones because doctors

experimented on them....scary stuff.

Patty

TMJ

> Has anyone had any experience with TMJ? I can't remember what the T

stands

> for. The MJ means mandibular joint, I think. It's the joint where the

jaw

> connects with the skull.

>

> I know this is unrelated to the bowel--although the more I study, it seems

> all illness begins in a toxic bowel.

>

> Anyway! My right jaw joint has been inflamed for about a month, and I

cannot

> always get my teeth together anymore. My bite is, however, fine at night

> when I go to bed, and OK in the morning. I have read that TMJ is

> stress-related. My jaw just seems to slip out of place during the day.

> Sometimes I can chew on the right side without pain, and sometimes I

can't.

> It's unnerving when it clunks out of place while chewing which has

happened a

> few times with quite a bit of pain.

>

> Help! It sounds like poor cartilidge or something. This is nothing new.

> What have some of you done for this malady?

>

> In Him,

> Marsha <>{

>

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March 1, 2001

My husband GOT TMJ from a dentist! He went to have his wisdom teeth pulled, told the dentist he could only afford to have half of them pulled but the dentist wanted to pull all four. My husband said to only pull half because he couldn't pay for the full four, the dentist agreed, but when my husband came out of the anesthesia he had a dislocated jaw! He was in High School at the time and let me tell you, it was horrible for him. We have been battling TMJ with him for over 20 years until a few years ago he took a voice class of all things to prepare for public speaking. The teacher told them how to stretch their jaw muscles. He learned how to do this and hasn't had TMJ since.

He told me how to do it, I will try to pass it along best as I can. You curl your fingers into a claw like position, like you are going to rake your finger nails down a blackboard or something. With that position of your fingers place your forefinger of each hand by your ears and the rest of your hand down the cheeks just under the high cheek bone. Your fingers are not spread out, they are close together in this claw. You press your fingers hard into your muscles of your cheek and open your jaw. You should be able to feel your jaw open and close. You press in hard and kind of pull down on this muscle while you are opening and closing your mouth.

I don't know if you are able to follow those directions or not. Hopefully it will give you something to work with though.

~Karma karma@... http://loaves-n-fishes.com

-----Original Message-----From: Patty [mailto:faussettdp@...]Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 4:31 PMbowel cleanse Subject: Re: TMJMarsha,I had TMJ problems in my late 20's-early 30's. Made the mistake of going toa dentist to correct it, and he wanted to try all kinds of ensteinstuff on me, but Thank God, I had just found out I was pregnant, andcouldn't do any of the stuff he wanted--no X-Rays, no surgery, nothing.I say thank God, because my TMJ, (which stands for temporomandibular joint),problems cleared up by itself! Over time, it just resolved. I had theclicking, and popping of the joint in my jaw, and at one point couldn't evenopen my mouth very far. But, I let is go, and tried not to worry about it.Got through my pregnancy, had a beautiful baby girl, and all is and has beenwell for almost 10 years now!So, my advice is to stay away from dentists who want to play doctor on yourbones, because I think God can do a better job. There have been magazinearticles about people who have had to live with messed up jaws anddisintegrating teflon implants in their jawbones because doctorsexperimented on them....scary stuff.Patty TMJ> Has anyone had any experience with TMJ? I can't remember what the Tstands> for. The MJ means mandibular joint, I think. It's the joint where thejaw> connects with the skull.>> I know this is unrelated to the bowel--although the more I study, it seems> all illness begins in a toxic bowel.>> Anyway! My right jaw joint has been inflamed for about a month, and Icannot> always get my teeth together anymore. My bite is, however, fine at night> when I go to bed, and OK in the morning. I have read that TMJ is> stress-related. My jaw just seems to slip out of place during the day.> Sometimes I can chew on the right side without pain, and sometimes Ican't.> It's unnerving when it clunks out of place while chewing which hashappened a> few times with quite a bit of pain.>> Help! It sounds like poor cartilidge or something. This is nothing new.> What have some of you done for this malady?>> In Him,> Marsha <>{>>> Subscription email:> mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups>

March 3, 2001

I don't remember them actually *saying* carpal tunnel, but I kind

of thought it was. There was a hard bump sort of on my wrist at

the " root " of my hand, below my first and 2nd finger bones.

Things were really out of whack inside the wrist too. Treatment

involved working on that bump - pushing or even banging on it.

djedi

Roscoe & Penny wrote:

>

> If I may ask, what kind of wrist problem did the chiropractor

> fix? I have

> carpal tunnel syndrome...and have been advised to see a

> chiropractor bu just

> have do not done so yet....Thanks....Penny V.

>

> TMJ

> > >

> > > > Has anyone had any experience with TMJ? I can't remember

> > > what the T

> > > stands

> > > > for. The MJ means mandibular joint, I think. It's the

> joint

> > > where the

> > > jaw

> > > > connects with the skull.

> > > >

> > > > I know this is unrelated to the bowel--although the more

> I

> > > study, it seems

> > > > all illness begins in a toxic bowel.

> > > >

> > > > Anyway! My right jaw joint has been inflamed for about a

> > > month, and I

> > > cannot

> > > > always get my teeth together anymore. My bite is,

> however,

> > > fine at night

> > > > when I go to bed, and OK in the morning. I have read

> that

> > > TMJ is

> > > > stress-related. My jaw just seems to slip out of place

> > > during the day.

> > > > Sometimes I can chew on the right side without pain, and

> > > sometimes I

> > > can't.

> > > > It's unnerving when it clunks out of place while chewing

> > > which has

> > > happened a

> > > > few times with quite a bit of pain.

> > > >

> > > > Help! It sounds like poor cartilidge or something. This

> is

> > > nothing new.

> > > > What have some of you done for this malady?

> > > >

> > > > In Him,

> > > > Marsha <>{

> > > >

> >

> > Subscription email:

> > mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups

> >

March 4, 2001

If I may ask, what kind of wrist problem did the chiropractor fix? I have

carpal tunnel syndrome...and have been advised to see a chiropractor bu just

have do not done so yet....Thanks....Penny V.

TMJ

> >

> > > Has anyone had any experience with TMJ? I can't remember

> > what the T

> > stands

> > > for. The MJ means mandibular joint, I think. It's the joint

> > where the

> > jaw

> > > connects with the skull.

> > >

> > > I know this is unrelated to the bowel--although the more I

> > study, it seems

> > > all illness begins in a toxic bowel.

> > >

> > > Anyway! My right jaw joint has been inflamed for about a

> > month, and I

> > cannot

> > > always get my teeth together anymore. My bite is, however,

> > fine at night

> > > when I go to bed, and OK in the morning. I have read that

> > TMJ is

> > > stress-related. My jaw just seems to slip out of place

> > during the day.

> > > Sometimes I can chew on the right side without pain, and

> > sometimes I

> > can't.

> > > It's unnerving when it clunks out of place while chewing

> > which has

> > happened a

> > > few times with quite a bit of pain.

> > >

> > > Help! It sounds like poor cartilidge or something. This is

> > nothing new.

> > > What have some of you done for this malady?

> > >

> > > In Him,

> > > Marsha <>{

> > >

>

> Subscription email:

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>

March 4, 2001

<< I have

carpal tunnel syndrome...and have been advised to see a chiropractor bu just

have do not done so yet....Thanks....Penny V. >>

Penny, a chiropractor can adjust your wrist. But you need more than that for

carpal tunnel.

Splints for your wrist to avoid movement will help. You can sleep with those.

Extra Vit B 6 is also helpful.Some people have found relief wearing magnets.

Christel

July 5, 2001

Hi Patty,

I had severe TMJ. It took me forever to figure out what it was. Finally

went to a super TMJ specialist. I took 17 weeks of physical therapy and my

bite splint to get the knots out from under my jaw. I have worn a bit splint

for probably 5 years now. He was excellent, they adjusted it every 2-3

weeks. I will also take xanax if i feel my jaw is tight. It starts getting

tight when my asthma acts up and I unconsciously clench it trying to breathe.

Took me a long time to figure that out too.

Darn lyme brain.

I do get a good laugh at other docs who hear my jaw click and say that

is where my ear pain comes from, not a ruptured eardrum but my TMJ. I just

don't even explain it to them anymore. The ear drs. don't know anything

about TMJ, but think they do.

I am on my second bite splint, keep it with me at all times to prevent

the muscle spasms and pain. I actually wore the other one out.

Good luck,

Connie from Michigan

March 20, 2003

I know I am really behind in my emails...

I saw an oral surgeon for my TMJ problems too. I was given a bite plate and it

did nothing for my jaw pain (which is stiffness and popping). I don't grind my

teeth at night so I am wondering what it could be from. My old rheumy told me

that PA doesn't affect the jaw area. hmmmm...

Re: [ ] Introduction

In a message dated 3/7/2003 2:55:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cmcknight@... writes:

> TMJ) for the first time. I haven't read anything about the jaw being

> involved. Does anyone have any experience/information on that? My

> left TMJ aches a lot, especially with yawning or opening wide; the right

> side tends to subluxate when I open too far, but is not as painful as

> the left.

I have had problems with TMJ for quite some some time now. I don't know if

it is related to the PA or not. My dentist referred me to an oral surgeon

who made a bite plate for me. It worked wonders. I wore it until all the pain

subsided. Now I only put it in if I feel an attack coming. It takes care

of the TMJ right away.

Janet

March 20, 2003

I think that's definitely one of the areas it does affect. At least from what

I've read & my own, sometimes, problems with that joint.

, I'm very sorry that my reply to Gordon was misinterpreted. As I noted

when I reread it, it did sound abrupt. I do wish Gordon the best & he is an

inspiration to us all.

<leslieiansa@...> wrote:I know I am really behind in my

emails...

I saw an oral surgeon for my TMJ problems too. I was given a bite plate and it

did nothing for my jaw pain (which is stiffness and popping). I don't grind my

teeth at night so I am wondering what it could be from. My old rheumy told me

that PA doesn't affect the jaw area. hmmmm...

----- Original Message -----

March 21, 2003

My daughter PA has effected her jaw joint and caused what was a normal

healthy bite to open. Her doctor said that is does effect the jaw joint but

that the meds that help other joints do not work on the jaw joint.

The best solution is a splint, that is adjusted over a period as your jaw

joint gets relief. These are usually done by orthodontists who have a great

deal of experience in TMJ. When looking for an orthodontists ask if they

mount their model on an articulator, if they don't keep looking.

March 21, 2003

,

PA certainly affects my jaw (the left jaw). I had a major flare-up in

my left jaw many years ago, and all the bone spurs left over from

that episode are clearly visible on X-rays. They cause stiffness and

popping.

-- Ron

> I saw an oral surgeon for my TMJ problems too. I was given a bite

plate and it did nothing for my jaw pain (which is stiffness and

popping). I don't grind my teeth at night so I am wondering what it

could be from. My old rheumy told me that PA doesn't affect the jaw

area. hmmmm...

>

March 21, 2003

In a message dated 3/21/2003 12:52:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

BRENDA0404@... writes:

> When looking for an orthodontists ask if they

> mount their model on an articulator, if they don't keep looking.

MY PA definaitely affected TMJ. Come to think of it, my orthodontist called

my splint an articulator.

Janet

March 21, 2003

Ron,

My dental x-rays looked okay. In fact all of my x-rays look okay. I think most

of my problems are associated w/ soft tissue damage. That's possible right?

Can't PA affect the tendons and connective tissue as well as the joints? My

left pinky finger and my right middle finger are crooked yet my x-rays show no

damage. My teeth showed no signs of wear so I know it isn't from grinding my

teeth. If that was the case then the bite guard would help, wouldn't it?

thanks,

leslie

March 8, 2004

Hi , know all about stress and I feel for you. I have 2 suggestions for

you. First, find a good chiropractor...my TMJ is all but cured! Also, and

just as important, take some time for yourself every day (go for a walk, take a

hot bath, meditate, pray). Keep you chin up...

Best Wishes;

LINDA ANAGNOSTAKOS <lsa5885@...> wrote:

Hi,

I'm going to look into this asap.. Presently, I do jaw excercises and take lots

of Advil during the day. At night if I wake with either clenched teeth or

grinding I usually take a Tylenol PM. I can't remember the last time I felt

rested because of this.

My liver is fine, it amazes me with three teenagers and with , that I

haven't hit the bottle hard yet. I will admit that I do enjoy fine red wine but

I could certainly give it up for a few days .

Thanks again,

- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 8:36 PM

Subject: Re: Mitral Valve Prolapse

Hi -

Re TMJ - if you can find a physiatrist MD, they tend

to be great w/working w/ TMJ. Also, Toradol 60mg

injections are awesome. They will usually relieve the

pain and tension headaches for up to a month. It's a

powerful non-steroid anti-inflammatory, much better

when injected. Has to be 60 mg to work. Never get

the shot on an empty stomach (yes, even for a shot),

and eat little snacks all day or it will cause

horrendous tummy pain, but will not hurt at all if you

stay well-fed the day of the shot. Toradol pills

don't work nearly as well. The med is hard on the

liver, so if there is any liver problem, skip the

shot, and don't drink alcohol within a couple of days

of it.

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June 15, 2006

Yes Susie I hate the wrinkles too. I am 59 and I use everything I can afford

to stop the sagging and wrinkles. There are a lot of good products OTC that

are good but pricy. If you want I will give you a list of some good ones.

With SD... I myself would not do plastic for fear it would make me come out

of the " remission " and scars would be even worse than wrinkles.

Wrinkles at our age are a fact of life but trying to make them less

noticeable is something we all can do.

cooky

rheumatic TMJ

I noticed that someone brought up the problem with TMJ. Before I was

dx with scleroderma, my dentist thought I had TMJ and it was the sd

rearing its ugly head. I had to go to an oral surgeon and had 3 teeth

cut out. I was in so much pain at that time. Then, of course, my face

started tightening. That was in 1999 and today my skin has loosened

alot and I have wrinkles....yea...wonderful wrinkles...who would have

thought that I would like wrinkles. I am very vain, however, and I

went to see a plastic surgeon (his MIL has sd) and he said " no way

would I do anything to your face " . So.......hey, I'm 53 and I guess

everyone has wrinkles at that age. I'm just glad to be alive and

somewhat healthy.

Susie in Oklahoma

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June 15, 2006

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rheumatic TMJ

> I noticed that someone brought up the problem with TMJ. Before I was

> dx with scleroderma, my dentist thought I had TMJ and it was the sd

> rearing its ugly head. I had to go to an oral surgeon and had 3 teeth

> cut out. I was in so much pain at that time. Then, of course, my face

> started tightening. That was in 1999 and today my skin has loosened

> alot and I have wrinkles....yea...wonderful wrinkles...who would have

> thought that I would like wrinkles. I am very vain, however, and I

> went to see a plastic surgeon (his MIL has sd) and he said " no way

> would I do anything to your face " . So.......hey, I'm 53 and I guess

> everyone has wrinkles at that age. I'm just glad to be alive and

> somewhat healthy.

>

> Susie in Oklahoma

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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June 15, 2006

Hi Cooky. I understand you have SD. Did you take the clindamycin IV's and are

you now taking the pills, or just on the minocin? I did the IV's the same way

you did, but did this for about 5 yrs, omitting the winter because I went south,

but I am still on the pills. Should I discontinue the clindy pills? My lab

tests are not down to normal though. Thanks.

Cooky <cookee1@...> wrote: Yes Susie I

hate the wrinkles too. I am 59 and I use everything I can afford