Re: Re:Self-defeating actions [WAS: What can off gas and wha...

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In a message dated 8/13/2010 9:34:19 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

grimes@... writes:

" But once we know and once we begin paying attention and learn

and still don't take appropriate action then that is like staying in a

burning building and protesting we can't afford to leave. Besides,

where's the doctor or insurance agent or other authority giving us

permission to leave?

If that situation we deserve what happens. "

If you had a cell phone in your hand when you got hit by a car and you

didn't call 911 because you wanted to prove that the person who hit you did

extreme damage to you - truthfully thru no fault of your own; then whose fault

is it that 911 should have been called by someone, anyone, to lessen the

damage.... but wasn't?

If someone set your house on fire thru no fault of your own but you got

badly burnt because you stayed in your burning house even when knowing it was

on fire; then whose fault is it that you got so badly burned by a fire not

set by yourself, but you stayed in the flames?

If someone was beating your head against a wall causing you extreme

headaches...and you kept beating your head against the wall LONG after this

other

person was no longer making decisions in your life, then whose fault is it

that you still have headaches?

Nothing delicate here. Shear logic. If you are living somewhere and it

is making you sick in a manner that you know will shorten and worsen your

life and you KNOW this; then come Hell or High Water, it is YOUR

RESPOSIBILITY to GET OUT and get YOUR FAMILY OUT.

Sharon

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I have a sister who spent 20 years in a bad marriage. As the years went

by, the marriage became sicker and sicker. She began speaking of just how

sick the marriage really was. When we said that it sounded like she needed

to leave, she agreed. Then she proceeded to say she would leave as soon as

she got her kitchen remodeled, or as soon as spring came, or as soon as

fall came, etc.

The marriage became so sick it literally was a threat to her health and

safety. But still, she did not leave. We, my other three sisters and I,

had to physicially go to the city she lived in and physically remove her from

the marriage. Today she is remarried to a very nice man. They have a

great life together.

Sometimes things happen that cause people to not do what they must -

because it is too hard. But if a marriage is killing you or a house is killing

you, why would you stay? At the end of the day, what have you won if your

life is miserable from staying?

I DO understand that it is much harder for some than it is for others to

leave because of finances, or disability, etc. I DO have sympathy for

those caught in that situation that makes it so hard to leave. But it just

defies any logic that I can fathom, for one to stay somewhere that is

taking their lives.

I am sorry if this sounds brutal. It is not meant to be. It is meant for

those on this board that I have come to know and respect to reiterate to

them why I feel it is of the utmost importance to get out.

If you were my sister, I would come and physically pull you out, myself!

Sharon

In a message dated 8/14/2010 1:45:24 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

safersmilesdentallab@... writes:

Thank you for your post. We are all just trying to do the best we

can.

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Carl,

This is EXACTLY right. My message of " get out " is meant for those who

have determined the microbe contaminants are ruining their health and they have

no way to fix the abode.

We are hyper reactors on this board, for the most part. The vast majority

of people out there ARE able to properly remediate a water damage loss on

the property, even if mold has grown. And many times even hyper-reactors

are able to do this.

For us, with my daughter having CF and ABPA, it wasn't worth the risk we

would have had to take to determine if the house could be made safe. That

doesn't mean our situation applies to everyone.

You have to look at your own situation, all possible solutions and then

determine what is the best path for you. But whatever you do, find that

solution. Your future depends on it.

Sharon

In a message dated 8/15/2010 12:05:34 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

grimes@... writes:

Some got well by leaving their house. Others got well by fixing

their house. Others got well enough by improving their house so it

is at least tolerable. Still others aren't reacting to the house but to

cleaning or personal care products, or food, or a delayed reaction

from another location.

I had a client a few years ago who moved from a really moldy

house to a new one with no water damage or mold. But

periodically got sick. With some detailed investigation and an

activity diary she realized she got sick about 6 hours after

exercising at a semi-enclosed walking track. The track was wood

over dirt and often damp. Once she stopped going there she

began healing. Still not well at times but generally on the uprise.

If the house is NOT making you sick or if it has been fixed to the

point where it is good enough, then leaving it may be worse than

staying in a burning building. You are running from a non-burning

building. And because of the confusion of what is safe and what

isn't the next house you run to may, in fact, be smoldering.

Sharon Noonan Kramer