Ulcerative colitis

[Guest guest]

my own personal thought is that many look at this the wrong way, your stomach,

intestial tract, bowel all can also become hypersensitive , this is a

multi-organ affecting exposure. if you didn't have problems with eating certain

foods before, you need to give close thought as to what contaminants might be in

those foods, weither molds/myco's/byproducts,ect. and chemicals used in

processing.

one clue is like previously stated, things I breath and/or eat can cause

reaction, hypersensitivity responce in the stomach.

I still have times when a exposure (breathed) can cause my stomach to get upset

and other painful symptoms to follow, it's mellowed out alot over time , for

along time the norm was that this event went along with just about every

re-exposure I had. painful and very limiting as far as where you can go and have

fast access to a bathroom.

maybe we become hypersensitive to many things after exposures but still I fell

very strongly that we are most hypersensitive to re-exposures that directly

involve substances that we were exposed to during exposure, some that can be in

foods.

this can be allergic hypersensitivity or non-allergic hypersensitivity

,or both reactions at the same time.

really again, you have to let your body be your guide, if you eat something and

it causes discomfort, eliminate it from your diet for a while, keep a journal to

help you figure out what it is.

if we were all effected the same exact way, we'd all have the same intolerances,

thats not exactly true. so really that does leave only one other possability, if

our stomach ect. become hyper-reactive, and that can cause flair up of

inflammation, than we have to figure out what causes it and eliminate from the

diet.

and to the first poster, I had a problem with CSM and I have inflammatory

bowel's, stomach, IT. if you try it, you might want to start out in very small

doses and not 4 times a day, you'll know in about 3 days if it is going to cause

adverse effects.

> >

> Anyway, seriously consider going gluten free and dairy free. (If you have to

pick one start with the dairy free.)

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that. Im already gluten and dairy free and have been for years. Down

to 8 foods, meat and Low carb veggies only. Things are not looking good

> >

> > I believe i have this due to mycotoxicosis. On exposure to moulds in air and

tiny amou ts on food my intestines burn up and i get horrible inflammation whivh

leads to a csacade of other effects. Does csm help with this particular issue?

Are there any other mold specific treatments?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I just fell very strongly that we develope non-allergic hypersensitivity to the

mycotoxins we were exposed to in our WDB.

SOME OF US ALSO DEVELOPE ALSO ALLERGIC HYPERSENSITIVITY TO THESE MYCOTOXINS.

sorry, caps, while not everything is known on the effects of certain mycotoxins

exposure, some is known, I think that in some cases that haveing a intolerance

and/or allergy responce to a certain food might corraspond to a certain level of

a certain mycotoxin in that food. remember, we are hyper-responcive so even a

small amount, below recomended levels may cause a reaction.

I also think that with time as this hyper-responciveness calms down or

dissappears we might be able to than tolerate that food product, given that

other chemical's with processing,ect are not involved,that we are responcive to.

I think to some extent, it may be that some known symptoms of a certain

mycotoxin (ingested) exposure and some symptoms we experience by food

consumption containing even a low amount of a certain type of mycotoxins could

be reconized by us, the exposed.

ingesting would not produce the exact same symptoms as inhaleing but if that

food product had mold growth visable on the surface like a orange with a spot of

mold growth and you are hypersensitive to that mold or it's mycotoxins if you

were exposed to either or both during WDB exposure, you'd have a inhaled

responce from that mold growing on that orange and if you ate that orange and

that mold was in the orange also and if it produced a mycotoxins in that orange

you would have both a ingested reaction to both the mold and the mycotoxins.

there is considerable evidence that you become hyper-reactive, non-allergic and

allergic to things you have been exposed to in high amounts, what exactly that

dose is may vary for each of us.

theres different means of hyper-reactivity involved going on here.

the hyper-reactivity is not just about the neuron's and the brain,with WDB

exposure, some of us are also dealing with hyper-responciveness do to actual

mucosal ,tissue, organ damage.

some of us also develope the allergic-hyper-responce and this responce is not

limited to the typical allergy responce most might think of. it's just not and I

know it's not.

and truely, in that sence, what one may consider " MCS " hyper-reactiveness could

include both allergic and non-allergic hyper-responces regardless if it's from

inhalation or indigestion, if you

recieved this type of damage from WDB exposure.

in my mind there is a difference between " MCS " and TE.

in the way that my MCS diagnoses also included allergy testing.

now if we are going to do away with the MCS diagnoses because we now consider it

to be TE, the basicly " whole body responce " that some of us do get do to

allergic hypersensitivity that is no " nothing to sneeze at " punn! which is by my

version nothing short of a anaphylatic reaction and very scary all on it's own.

and when I say whole body that includes the brain. talk about people not

getting it, well those that dont get the allergic hyper-responces along with the

non-allergic hyper-responces dont get the allergic responces and that they can

be something to deal with all on there own.

also consider that like the non-allergic hyper-responciveness, we have no way of

even testing to know what all we were exposed to in our WDB that we have now

become either/or or both allergic or non-allergic to.

most important with a allergy , like a intolerance is advoidance.

this is a illness where we have to listen to what our bodies are telling us.

>

>  I was searching for a science articles but.

>

> Gluten feeds yeast, milk feeds inflammation & mucus. Not sure if I'm lactose

intolerant.

>

> I have been milk free for 10 years before mold. My IBS cleared, slept better.

If had milk felt sluggish.

>

> http://www.health-science-spirit.com/HF4-1.html

>

> http://www.freedomyou.com/nutrition_book/mucus.htm

>

> http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/treat/T270729.html

>

>  Two of us are gfcf, 2 aren't. The 2 on gluten & milk had bad sinus

congestion & coughing for weeks.

>

> The 2 that didn't cleared up within shorter w low congestion. Anyone w asthma

or inflammation consider stopping milk.

>

> Kathy

[Guest guest]

What is TE?

>

> I just fell very strongly that we develope non-allergic hypersensitivity to

the mycotoxins we were exposed to in our WDB.

> SOME OF US ALSO DEVELOPE ALSO ALLERGIC HYPERSENSITIVITY TO THESE MYCOTOXINS.

sorry, caps, while not everything is known on the effects of certain mycotoxins

exposure, some is known, I think that in some cases that haveing a intolerance

and/or allergy responce to a certain food might corraspond to a certain level of

a certain mycotoxin in that food. remember, we are hyper-responcive so even a

small amount, below recomended levels may cause a reaction.

> I also think that with time as this hyper-responciveness calms down or

dissappears we might be able to than tolerate that food product, given that

other chemical's with processing,ect are not involved,that we are responcive to.

>

> I think to some extent, it may be that some known symptoms of a certain

mycotoxin (ingested) exposure and some symptoms we experience by food

consumption containing even a low amount of a certain type of mycotoxins could

be reconized by us, the exposed.

>

> ingesting would not produce the exact same symptoms as inhaleing but if that

food product had mold growth visable on the surface like a orange with a spot of

mold growth and you are hypersensitive to that mold or it's mycotoxins if you

were exposed to either or both during WDB exposure, you'd have a inhaled

responce from that mold growing on that orange and if you ate that orange and

that mold was in the orange also and if it produced a mycotoxins in that orange

you would have both a ingested reaction to both the mold and the mycotoxins.

>

> there is considerable evidence that you become hyper-reactive, non-allergic

and allergic to things you have been exposed to in high amounts, what exactly

that dose is may vary for each of us.

> theres different means of hyper-reactivity involved going on here.

> the hyper-reactivity is not just about the neuron's and the brain,with WDB

exposure, some of us are also dealing with hyper-responciveness do to actual

mucosal ,tissue, organ damage.

> some of us also develope the allergic-hyper-responce and this responce is not

limited to the typical allergy responce most might think of. it's just not and I

know it's not.

>

> and truely, in that sence, what one may consider " MCS " hyper-reactiveness

could include both allergic and non-allergic hyper-responces regardless if it's

from inhalation or indigestion, if you

> recieved this type of damage from WDB exposure.

>

> in my mind there is a difference between " MCS " and TE.

> in the way that my MCS diagnoses also included allergy testing.

> now if we are going to do away with the MCS diagnoses because we now consider

it to be TE, the basicly " whole body responce " that some of us do get do to

allergic hypersensitivity that is no " nothing to sneeze at " punn! which is by my

version nothing short of a anaphylatic reaction and very scary all on it's own.

and when I say whole body that includes the brain. talk about people not

getting it, well those that dont get the allergic hyper-responces along with the

non-allergic hyper-responces dont get the allergic responces and that they can

be something to deal with all on there own.

> also consider that like the non-allergic hyper-responciveness, we have no way

of even testing to know what all we were exposed to in our WDB that we have now

become either/or or both allergic or non-allergic to.

>

> most important with a allergy , like a intolerance is advoidance.

>

> this is a illness where we have to listen to what our bodies are telling us.

[Guest guest]

The conditions are one and the same. However, if you use MCS you will

automatically lose the case, unless you are filing of social security benefits.

Toxic Encephalopathy (TE) is definable and diagnosable, where as MCS is not.

[] Re: Ulcerative colitis

What is TE?

>

> I just fell very strongly that we develope non-allergic hypersensitivity to

the mycotoxins we were exposed to in our WDB.

> SOME OF US ALSO DEVELOPE ALSO ALLERGIC HYPERSENSITIVITY TO THESE MYCOTOXINS.

sorry, caps, while not everything is known on the effects of certain mycotoxins

exposure, some is known, I think that in some cases that haveing a intolerance

and/or allergy responce to a certain food might corraspond to a certain level of

a certain mycotoxin in that food. remember, we are hyper-responcive so even a

small amount, below recomended levels may cause a reaction.

> I also think that with time as this hyper-responciveness calms down or

dissappears we might be able to than tolerate that food product, given that

other chemical's with processing,ect are not involved,that we are responcive to.

>

> I think to some extent, it may be that some known symptoms of a certain

mycotoxin (ingested) exposure and some symptoms we experience by food

consumption containing even a low amount of a certain type of mycotoxins could

be reconized by us, the exposed.

>

> ingesting would not produce the exact same symptoms as inhaleing but if that

food product had mold growth visable on the surface like a orange with a spot of

mold growth and you are hypersensitive to that mold or it's mycotoxins if you

were exposed to either or both during WDB exposure, you'd have a inhaled

responce from that mold growing on that orange and if you ate that orange and

that mold was in the orange also and if it produced a mycotoxins in that orange

you would have both a ingested reaction to both the mold and the mycotoxins.

>

> there is considerable evidence that you become hyper-reactive, non-allergic

and allergic to things you have been exposed to in high amounts, what exactly

that dose is may vary for each of us.

> theres different means of hyper-reactivity involved going on here.

> the hyper-reactivity is not just about the neuron's and the brain,with WDB

exposure, some of us are also dealing with hyper-responciveness do to actual

mucosal ,tissue, organ damage.

> some of us also develope the allergic-hyper-responce and this responce is

not limited to the typical allergy responce most might think of. it's just not

and I know it's not.

>

> and truely, in that sence, what one may consider " MCS " hyper-reactiveness

could include both allergic and non-allergic hyper-responces regardless if it's

from inhalation or indigestion, if you

> recieved this type of damage from WDB exposure.

>

> in my mind there is a difference between " MCS " and TE.

> in the way that my MCS diagnoses also included allergy testing.

> now if we are going to do away with the MCS diagnoses because we now

consider it to be TE, the basicly " whole body responce " that some of us do get

do to allergic hypersensitivity that is no " nothing to sneeze at " punn! which is

by my version nothing short of a anaphylatic reaction and very scary all on it's

own. and when I say whole body that includes the brain. talk about people not

getting it, well those that dont get the allergic hyper-responces along with the

non-allergic hyper-responces dont get the allergic responces and that they can

be something to deal with all on there own.

> also consider that like the non-allergic hyper-responciveness, we have no

way of even testing to know what all we were exposed to in our WDB that we have

now become either/or or both allergic or non-allergic to.

>

> most important with a allergy , like a intolerance is advoidance.

>

> this is a illness where we have to listen to what our bodies are telling us.

[Guest guest]

I understand that, however allergies to some molds and some chemicals are

diagnosable and if one has developed allergies as a result of their WDB

exposure, that also needs to be reconized, it is another form of

hyper-reactiveness as is non-allergic hyper-reactiveness.

I cant erase the diagnoses of MCS out of my medical files, 2004,

it was not understood than that MCS was TE and the allergies to mold could be

caused by the exposure in a WDB.

--- In , " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...>

wrote:

>

> The conditions are one and the same. However, if you use MCS you will

automatically lose the case, unless you are filing of social security benefits.

Toxic Encephalopathy (TE) is definable and diagnosable, where as MCS is not.

> [] Re: Ulcerative colitis

>

>

>

> What is TE?

[Guest guest]

Dairy is a funny thing-my doctor recommended a dairy free diet but said yogurt

and butter were ok. My daughter can safely digest goat and sheep's milk and

cheese but cow's milk causes her tremendous pain. Humans are so different that I

think you have to mostly listen to your body. However, if you are eating alot of

dairy and are very sick I would give dairy free a shot. Sometimes correlations

don;t make sense, sometimes they are just coincidences but occasionally they

end up to be true. Switch to goat or sheep and see if you feel better.

> >

> Anyway, seriously consider going gluten free and dairy free. (If you have to

pick one start with the dairy free.)

>

[Guest guest]

Have you tried juicing? When your colitis flares up try as many days of juicing

as you can. It eases the pain and because it's all about the digestion, juices

flow through you without irritation.

Also, no raw veggies maybe?

> > >

> > > I believe i have this due to mycotoxicosis. On exposure to moulds in air

and tiny amou ts on food my intestines burn up and i get horrible inflammation

whivh leads to a csacade of other effects. Does csm help with this particular

issue? Are there any other mold specific treatments?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

khandalah, yes, inhalation exposures can cause this effect on the

stomach/bowels. I deal with this and had problems with CSM.

cant be sure of how it may work for you, but if you try it, I'd start out at a

very low dose, not four times a day either.

let me put it this way, the last thing you want with this going on is to have

binded toxins and constipation in any way,shape or form, not good with

inflammatory bowel issues and inflammation,bloating,ect. with the stomach. I

cant tell you how it may work for you, or any other binders either.

also I had a lot of problems with foods bloating my stomach and causeing painful

cramps, dierrhea,

I had some food intolerance testing and allergy testing done that basicly helped

me realize what I was basicly noticeing on my own, milk,eggs,corn,yeast breads,

where some major things I had broblems with, the chemicals in canned goods from

processing affected me rather bad, took my a while to see that one, I finally

went on a white meat and greens diet for about a year that helped my alot.

I ate my first tablespoon of corn in 9 years the other day, corn and me didn't

get along at all. still got lose stools from just that one bite of corn but

before that would of had much worse effects.

what foods you may need to aliminate might vary, some have reported problems

with wheat product but they never bothered me that was in a noticable way.

I know very well that burning ,raw felling you are discribeing, sounds like

you've suffered some damage to your intestinal lineings.

theres no way to stop the inhaled exposures from affecting your stomach and

bowels this way, just learning to advoid places that you know cause this affect

+. very painful I know.

for example, my worst was corn, even the smell of something being cooked in corn

oil tore me up. even chewing gum with corn surup was off my list, in otherwords

no corn or corn based products at all.

I couldn't tolerate the smells comeing from drive throughs let alone the food.

the best advice I can give you would probably be to try the meat and greens

diet. as far as binders I cant really give any advice on that.

>

> I believe i have this due to mycotoxicosis. On exposure to moulds in air and

tiny amou ts on food my intestines burn up and i get horrible inflammation whivh

leads to a csacade of other effects. Does csm help with this particular issue?

Are there any other mold specific treatments?

>

[Guest guest]

I couldn't tolerate cows milk or cheese either for along time, but the effects

were somewhat milder than other things I couldn't tolerate, I can now tolerate

the 2%, but I basicly didn't drink any milk for years. make shure to take vit.D.

> > >

> > Anyway, seriously consider going gluten free and dairy free. (If you have to

pick one start with the dairy free.)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I didn't tolerate yogurt either, but can now.

>

> Dairy is a funny thing-my doctor recommended a dairy free diet but said yogurt

and butter were ok. My daughter can safely digest goat and sheep's milk and

cheese but cow's milk causes her tremendous pain. Humans are so different that I

think you have to mostly listen to your body. However, if you are eating alot of

dairy and are very sick I would give dairy free a shot. Sometimes correlations

don;t make sense, sometimes they are just coincidences but occasionally they

end up to be true. Switch to goat or sheep and see if you feel better.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thx heaps for the reply. Im down to 8 foods, nothing else i can Take out unfort.

Its already meat and vegs. For some reason beef if best even though thats

supposed to be avoided on mould free diet. Chicken or poultry is bad. Mince beef

and veg is pretty much all i eat. If i eat slightly old food, even lettuce i get

inflammatipn, supposing this is mycotoxins, mold or fungus or something on

vegiea. Everything i eat is organic so its not chems. Mostly i try to defrost

frm frozen. Constipation is a serois issue when tryinhg to detox i agree, but

anything i take to move things along thus far rips up my intestines more.. Eg

epsom salt, covonut oil, large doses of vitc. Hmm scary, going back on herbal

licorice cascara blend in hope that helps.

>

> khandalah, yes, inhalation exposures can cause this effect on the

stomach/bowels. I deal with this and had problems with CSM.

> cant be sure of how it may work for you, but if you try it, I'd start out at a

very low dose, not four times a day either.

> let me put it this way, the last thing you want with this going on is to have

binded toxins and constipation in any way,shape or form, not good with

inflammatory bowel issues and inflammation,bloating,ect. with the stomach. I

cant tell you how it may work for you, or any other binders either.

>

> also I had a lot of problems with foods bloating my stomach and