Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hi Annette, This is very interesting. I was sudden onset, MUCH stress. And I was a Type A, driven personality. Early riser, could never sit still long enough to watch a movie. OCD, Panic attacks, anxiety. My relapse was also related to MUCH stress (sigh...) I think you are right - It must be genetics. Now I am a Type Z personality (no such thing but if there was that's what I am - the complete opposite of Type A.) I think it is a good thing that you do not go through that High cortisol but it makes me sad that you have been sick for so long as I would have guessed that those who don't go through the high cortisol phase(s) would be the ones who would spontaneously recover. Marti >. Could also be something unique to genetics. Maybe my family is different as the ones who have developed ME or CFS are all the laid-back ones who are natural " night birds " . Really don't know why the difference. > > When we used to discuss low AM and high PM on this list years ago people used to recommend Seriphos and Amy's use of Serine for night may be a pointer to me in the right direction. Thank you all. > > Kindest regards, > Annette > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hi Marti " could never sit still long enough to watch a movie. " Thanks for putting this into words. Had the same problem for many years.But I was not born like that. It started occuring after a traumatic event. I would not say that my peronality changed from A to Z.I am still A. If i can find some energy once in a while i suddenly start acting as my old type A personality. It is only lack of energy that does not allow me to move at other times. best wishes cindi Re: CORTISOL Hi Annette, This is very interesting. I was sudden onset, MUCH stress. And I was a Type A, driven personality. Early riser, could never sit still long enough to watch a movie. OCD, Panic attacks, anxiety. My relapse was also related to MUCH stress (sigh...) I think you are right - It must be genetics. Now I am a Type Z personality (no such thing but if there was that's what I am - the complete opposite of Type A.) I think it is a good thing that you do not go through that High cortisol but it makes me sad that you have been sick for so long as I would have guessed that those who don't go through the high cortisol phase(s) would be the ones who would spontaneously recover. Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 > > Has anyone used cortisol on their children for stress and anxiety relief? If so, does it work, any side effects. ----Here are some posts by Andy that we have saved in our links at FDC. In general, he does not recommend using cortisol for children, except in rare cases. There is other adrenal support you can use, such as adrenal cortex extract, that would be appropriate.---Jackie http://onibasu.com/archives/am/140439.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/171011.html http://onibasu.com/archives/am/207861.html > > My 10 yo son has been going through puberty and behaviors have been aggressive especially at school, sometimes at home. I really don't want to put him on anti-anxiety medication. > > Appreciate your responses. > > Thanks > Jeanne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 Andy says not to use cortisol on children unless under the supervision of a doctor and not without having exhausted every other means of adrenal treatment. After having been on HC twice in my life, the longest one being 9 months..I would not give this stuff to a child. I won't take it anymore myself. I have done much better on natural adrenal supplements. While HC has its place for some adults, you really do not want to give any hormones to a prepubescent child. (The exception being 's disease) Anytime you take one hormone is affects all the other ones and creates imbalances in those. This could have negative consequences in a developing child. Adrenal Cortex kept me and my dd off anxiety meds. She began using this at age 11. It's made from bovine adrenals. You can also use Cortico B5, B6, Andreset, Andrenogen (Metagenics). There are other adrenal support formulas as well. We like Adreno-Build. Lots of B vitamins if he can take them, check for a thyroid problem, and get off gluten if not already. Avoid sugars and try to have him follow a glycemic index type of diet. Add chromium for blood sugar fluctuations, these can cause aggression. Phosphatidlyserine can help modulate the highs and lows of cortsiol. Is he on cod liver oil yet, or essential fatty acids? Many ways to help adrenals, because the anxiety meds will not cure this problem, just mask it. Jan Recovery From Autism 97 rounds and going > > Has anyone used cortisol on their children for stress and anxiety relief? If so, does it work, any side effects. > > My 10 yo son has been going through puberty and behaviors have been aggressive especially at school, sometimes at home. I really don't want to put him on anti-anxiety medication. > > Appreciate your responses. > > Thanks > Jeanne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2010 Report Share Posted May 7, 2010 I'm kind of hesitating whether I should give my son adrenal cortex because it also has alot of side effects. Is there anything else that is safer. Thanks Jeanne From: Jan <mercurybabies2@...> Subject: [ ] Re: Cortisol Date: Friday, May 7, 2010, 6:01 PM  Andy says not to use cortisol on children unless under the supervision of a doctor and not without having exhausted every other means of adrenal treatment. After having been on HC twice in my life, the longest one being 9 months..I would not give this stuff to a child. I won't take it anymore myself. I have done much better on natural adrenal supplements. While HC has its place for some adults, you really do not want to give any hormones to a prepubescent child. (The exception being 's disease) Anytime you take one hormone is affects all the other ones and creates imbalances in those. This could have negative consequences in a developing child. Adrenal Cortex kept me and my dd off anxiety meds. She began using this at age 11. It's made from bovine adrenals. You can also use Cortico B5, B6, Andreset, Andrenogen (Metagenics) . There are other adrenal support formulas as well. We like Adreno-Build. Lots of B vitamins if he can take them, check for a thyroid problem, and get off gluten if not already. Avoid sugars and try to have him follow a glycemic index type of diet. Add chromium for blood sugar fluctuations, these can cause aggression. Phosphatidlyserine can help modulate the highs and lows of cortsiol. Is he on cod liver oil yet, or essential fatty acids? Many ways to help adrenals, because the anxiety meds will not cure this problem, just mask it. Jan Recovery From Autism 97 rounds and going > > Has anyone used cortisol on their children for stress and anxiety relief? If so, does it work, any side effects. >  > My 10 yo son has been going through puberty and behaviors have been aggressive especially at school, sometimes at home. I really don't want to put him on anti-anxiety medication. >  > Appreciate your responses. >  > Thanks > Jeanne > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 Who says it has a lot of side effects? And what are those? I have been using this for four years for both myself and both of my children as needed. I have not seen any side effects other than positive improvements. There are a few people who don't tolerate it, but far less than those who do. If someone has adrenal fatigue severely enough, vitamins and herbs may not be enough. Glandulars support the gland function to help it heal and work better. Andy has said that Adrenal cortex is safe for children. It does not shut down your HPA, or reduce your own adrenal function like cortisone could. So you may try some herbs, but it's hit and miss as to if they will help or not. Some do for some people, some don't for others. We found licorice made us worse, but rhodiola helped. B vitamins help, particularly B5 ,B6. But in all honestly, these did not relieve anxiety or sleep disturbances or the other symptoms of adrenal fatigue that we had. They were helpful for energy but we still needed the glandular. Without it we'd have kids who stayed up half the night, slept all morning, had tantrums, anger outbursts, were sensitive to light/sound/noise, were defensive, were nauseous and weak in the morning, suffered anxiety and panic attacks, and got sick a lot. These are the symptoms we got rid of with just the glandular. I think often times people are scared by glandulars because of misinformation that circulates about them. Knowing more about what they really are and do can help. You are very welcome to try herbs and vitamins first. If they don't relieve his symptoms, then you will probably need the adrenal cortex. Remember we are only supplementing things that don't work right anyway, just as you would need to give a diabetic insulin. If a child does not have cortisol or has erratic adrenal function causing highs and lows in cortisol/adrenaline, they will have problems that don't usually improve on their own. Most often they get gradually worse until the child develops allergies, immune dysregulation and anxiety problems. You can wait it out until you remove enough mercury that the adrenals can work, but usually the adrenals crash before that happens. I've seen that happen to a lot of adults who were not aware that they should be supporting their adrenals. Giving support avoids this and makes his life and your life much more tolerable in the interim. A child with anxiety will benefit greatly from adrenal cortex and a gluten free diet. Gluten intolerance also stresses the adrenals. Jan > > > > Has anyone used cortisol on their children for stress and anxiety relief? If so, does it work, any side effects. > >  > > My 10 yo son has been going through puberty and behaviors have been aggressive especially at school, sometimes at home. I really don't want to put him on anti-anxiety medication. > >  > > Appreciate your responses. > >  > > Thanks > > Jeanne > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2010 Report Share Posted May 10, 2010 I second this. We live on ACE in our house, both my son and myself. It is in some respects aside from the chelators the single most beneficial and important supp we use with our son. He is a different boy on this stuff - sensory is much better, no more sound sensitivity - no more issues with haircuts, the wind on his face, bright lights etc, no more meltdowns and tantrums, no more anxiety. Just a calm happy boy. When chelation starts to run down his adrenals now and again, and we see tantrums etc, we up the ACE, and it all goes away. Don't let anyone scare you about this stuff. You just need to find the right dose, and once you do, it is like magic, IMHO... Jan is right about the gluten issue too, in our house in myself and my son, it was exacerbating our adrenal issues. Irene > > > > > > Has anyone used cortisol on their children for stress and anxiety relief? If so, does it work, any side effects. > > >  > > > My 10 yo son has been going through puberty and behaviors have been aggressive especially at school, sometimes at home. I really don't want to put him on anti-anxiety medication. > > >  > > > Appreciate your responses. > > >  > > > Thanks > > > Jeanne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 A must for those of you who can't function is a cortisol test. I had never had one, but thanks to a genius of a hospital doctor, he found out that I was near death for lack of cortisol. Barth www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 I also just got a cortisol test that showed super low levels. My doctor prescribed licorice extract which really zapped my system in a very good way the first 2 weeks. Then I got exposed to mold again and I think it helped me cope better (hard to say with all the crying I did!). What does your doctor suggest to correct your cortisol levels? Surella > > A must for those of you who can't function is a cortisol test. I had > never had one, but thanks to a genius of a hospital doctor, he found > out that I was near death for lack of cortisol. > > Barth > > www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html > > SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 Licorice: No, you can buy it at a health food store. > > > > I also just got a cortisol test that showed super low levels. My doctor prescribed licorice extract which really zapped my system in a very good way the first 2 weeks. Then I got exposed to mold again and I think it helped me cope better (hard to say with all the crying I did!). > > What does your doctor suggest to correct your cortisol levels? > > Surella > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 whats it doing for you? Janet In a message dated 12/5/2010 8:15:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, surellabaer@... writes: I'm going to an alternative medicine MD-he sent me home with Licorice Root extract from Ortho Molecular Products-1 capsule (450 mg) a day-I'm getting amazing results. > > > > > > > > > I also just got a cortisol test that showed super low levels. My doctor prescribed licorice extract which really zapped my system in a very good way the first 2 weeks. Then I got exposed to mold again and I think it helped me cope better (hard to say with all the crying I did!). > > > What does your doctor suggest to correct your cortisol levels? > > > Surella > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2010 Report Share Posted December 5, 2010 I'm going to an alternative medicine MD-he sent me home with Licorice Root extract from Ortho Molecular Products-1 capsule (450 mg) a day-I'm getting amazing results. > > > > > > I also just got a cortisol test that showed super low levels. My doctor prescribed licorice extract which really zapped my system in a very good way the first 2 weeks. Then I got exposed to mold again and I think it helped me cope better (hard to say with all the crying I did!). > > > What does your doctor suggest to correct your cortisol levels? > > > Surella > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 Janet-I'm taking the licorice to normalize my cortisol levels. About the only thing that was off for me when the doctor took a million blood tests was my cortisol-it was very low. After all the years of trying to cope with the stress of MCS my cortisol production pooped out. But the licorice seems to help me cope-I can't say that it is not all in my head but from the 2nd day of taking it I was so...calm. And happy-inexplicably happy, like the old me (I used to be so optimistic and happy). And then, just to prove it was the licorice, one busy day I forgot to take it and it was like all my coping just crashed. By midday I was wondering how this day could be SO stressful and then I remembered the licorice. I would try this-everyone should try this. Of course there are probably some cautions you should take depending on other medication (I'm not taking anything but it's important to check just in case). It worked for me! I have experienced a day or two of the happy I used to know and if that's the licorice, then it is a miracle! > > whats it doing for you? > Janet > > > In a message dated 12/5/2010 8:15:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > surellabaer@... writes: > > I'm going to an alternative medicine MD-he sent me home with Licorice Root > extract from Ortho Molecular Products-1 capsule (450 mg) a day-I'm getting > amazing results. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 If your cortisol levels are low, be sure to have an MRI of your pituitary gland! Urgent! Barth www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html --- s> Janet-I'm taking the licorice to normalize my cortisol levels. About the only thing that was off for me when the doctor took a million blood tests was my cortisol-it was very low. After all the s> years of trying to cope with the stress of MCS my cortisol production pooped out. But the licorice seems to help me cope-I can't say that it is not all in my head but from the 2nd day of taking it s> I was so...calm. And happy-inexplicably happy, like the old me (I used to be so optimistic and happy). And then, just to prove it was the licorice, one busy day I forgot to take it and it was like s> all my coping just crashed. By midday I was wondering how this day could be SO stressful and then I remembered the licorice. s> I would try this-everyone should try this. Of course there are probably some cautions you should take depending on other medication (I'm not taking anything but it's important to check just in s> case). It worked for me! I have experienced a day or two of the happy I used to know and if that's the licorice, then it is a miracle! s> >> >> whats it doing for you? >> Janet >> > >> In a message dated 12/5/2010 8:15:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, >> surellabaer@... writes: >> >> I'm going to an alternative medicine MD-he sent me home with Licorice Root >> extract from Ortho Molecular Products-1 capsule (450 mg) a day-I'm getting >> amazing results. >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 why? repeated mri's not a good idea. >If your cortisol levels are low, be sure to have an MRI of your >pituitary gland! Urgent! > > Barth > >www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 I'm not loving the idea of MRI-ing anything. Why is this necessary? > > If your cortisol levels are low, be sure to have an MRI of your > pituitary gland! Urgent! > > Barth > > www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html > > SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2010 Report Share Posted December 6, 2010 Because 22% of the population is walking around with pituitary tumors and not knowing it. This would suppress the cortisol to life-threatening levels if large enough and cause myriad problems. Barth www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html --- s> I'm not loving the idea of MRI-ing anything. Why is this necessary? s> >> >> If your cortisol levels are low, be sure to have an MRI of your >> pituitary gland! Urgent! >> >> Barth >> >> www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html >> >> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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