Guest guest Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 hi marigold, see below suev >So, I have this plan. I am actively searching for a new apt right now >which I intend to inspect with great scrutiny for mold presence and >possibly even hire some environmental specialist (i got one >recommendation in Northern CA Bay area but pls give me more if you know >anyone). Dr Jack Thrasher on this group, Chip Prokop in Petaluma, Stadner (a building biology inspector including mold issues), do it yourself ERMI test >I have some books, papers, items of sentimental value which I plan to >wash/wipe if possible with vinegar/bleach and pack it in the plastic >boxes I bought from Target and wrap around with plastic wrap from Uhaul... >Then I am going to put them in storage and get into my new apartment >with minimal belongings.... like an old table and chairs, book shelf >(which i will disinfect). I will buy cheap foam futon and see what >happens..... foam is somewhat toxic, but ..... >I will be hoping those mold spores will get choked in that plastic box >wrapped in plastic cover .... as i understand they need air to live? right? dead mold particles contain toxins, but if the stuff is in external storage it won't affect you >I know my plan might have some flaws, but i can not make myself throw >some important papers, my child's first paintings, etc. keep them in storage till you feel better, then see if you can tolerate when your immune system is better, you could always have some important stuff scanned and toss the originals... >I wish there was some gas chamber for the mold spores.. I wish there was >some service where you send your books/papers to India and they treat it >with some gas and test for presence of mold and send you back... DO you >think it is a good business idea? i recently learned of a mold remediator who cleans a lot of otherwise not cleanable stuff but it costs $100 per hour which seems excessive to me, although I might use them to clean a few expensive items that my sick family member wants to use, for example his guitar, or i might just try to clean it the best I can myself...his name is bill weber also in the bay area if you are interested i don't know about your business idea, i can tell you that a lot of people with mold & mcs health problems have money and spend it all on their problems so some of these people could pay, but there are probably more of these people who have little money or have run thru their savings paying huge doctor bills and wouldn't/couldn't pay for this service.... Also, at a certain point, I think some of us detach from our sick house and most stuff because it just isn't what's important and it's what made us sick.... sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Marigold, Your plan is on target! A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then create more spores (seeds). Sealing contents in plastic is great but ONLY if the air is dry. If the air is humid (don't know the climate where you live) then the moisture is trapped inside and can condense and grow mold. You don't have to ship contents to India or anywhere else to put them in a gas chamber to kill them. It can be done here with chlorine dioxide and a number of other " chemicals. " HOWEVER - Don't waste your time or money killing mold because killing mold doesn't stop health effects because all the " stuff " which mold has that causes health effects is still with dead mold just as it is with live mold. Stop the moisture and remove the mold which has already grown into colonies creating " babies. " Finally, as Dr Thrasher recently stated, there is more to dampness than just mold and more to mold than just spores. So testing for spores isn't sufficient because spores are not always present, just like tree seeds or dandelion seeds aren't always present. You don't want only a mold test and you don't want only a test for mold spores. Because all the other " stuff " can (and will) still be there. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- So, I have this plan. I am actively searching for a new apt right now which I intend to inspect with great scrutiny for mold presence and possibly even hire some environmental specialist (i got one recommendation in Northern CA Bay area but pls give me more if you know anyone). I have some books, papers, items of sentimental value which I plan to wash/wipe if possible with vinegar/bleach and pack it in the plastic boxes I bought from Target and wrap around with plastic wrap from Uhaul... Then I am going to put them in storage and get into my new apartment with minimal belongings.... like an old table and chairs, book shelf (which i will disinfect). I will buy cheap foam futon and see what happens..... I will be hoping those mold spores will get choked in that plastic box wrapped in plastic cover .... as i understand they need air to live? right? I know my plan might have some flaws, but i can not make myself throw some important papers, my child's first paintings, etc. I wish there was some gas chamber for the mold spores.. I wish there was some service where you send your books/papers to India and they treat it with some gas and test for presence of mold and send you back... DO you think it is a good business idea? Marigold ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Carl, whould you please, clarify more since i am very confused.... > A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for > controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the > naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air > cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then > create more spores (seeds). - are you saying that under favorable conditions spores start producing what we call mold? - are you saying that you can not really kill mold or spores? and the only way is to physically remove spores? And when we spray bleach on visible mold what is happening? What are we killing then? > > Marigold, > > Your plan is on target! > > A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for > controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the > naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air > cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then > create more spores (seeds). > > Sealing contents in plastic is great but ONLY if the air is dry. If the > air is humid (don't know the climate where you live) then the > moisture is trapped inside and can condense and grow mold. > > You don't have to ship contents to India or anywhere else to put > them in a gas chamber to kill them. It can be done here with > chlorine dioxide and a number of other " chemicals. " > > HOWEVER - Don't waste your time or money killing mold > because killing mold doesn't stop health effects because all the > " stuff " which mold has that causes health effects is still with dead > mold just as it is with live mold. > > Stop the moisture and remove the mold which has already grown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2010 Report Share Posted August 8, 2010 Marigold and others, Vinegar'bleach combo or separately? So confused. How about the claims of thieves oil and will that at least be good to wipe things off you want to store away? We have found a location and are not planning to take anything but my husband work computer that he has to use. I would love to get away with keeping my cell phone and my daughters laptop. these things cannot be soaked obvously... My husband will also stay here a while and with mask is going to dust anc vaccuum with sebo help vac.. he is staying here longer than we are and needs to keep the dust down. He has chosen this and I cant stop him.. his health has been fine and I am not sure how contaiminated the house is since I also have lyme and babesia. HE has lyme as well and is handleing that well, too.. I have thieves cleaner that I have been using to dust with.. wondering if that is a good idea.. ahve to dust with something... esp if staying for a while longer as he is.. he also wants to sort through some things and start getting rid of stuff.. Heres the claim from thieves: http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm not trying to use it to stay here.. but to clean what we are trying to salvage and keep the dust down while he chooses to remain here... Thank you!! Robin > > Marigold, > > Your plan is on target! > > A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for > controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the > naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air > cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then > create more spores (seeds). > > Sealing contents in plastic is great but ONLY if the air is dry. If the > air is humid (don't know the climate where you live) then the > moisture is trapped inside and can condense and grow mold. > > You don't have to ship contents to India or anywhere else to put Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 Thieves Oil was soundly discussed a couple of weeks ago and even more thoroughly a few months ago. I won't go into the details again beyond saying it isn't a " magic bullet " anymore than anything else is. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- Marigold and others, Vinegar'bleach combo or separately? So confused. How about the claims of thieves oil and will that at least be good to wipe things off you want to store away? We have found a location and are not planning to take anything but my husband work computer that he has to use. I would love to get away with keeping my cell phone and my daughters laptop. these things cannot be soaked obvously... My husband will also stay here a while and with mask is going to dust anc vaccuum with sebo help vac.. he is staying here longer than we are and needs to keep the dust down. He has chosen this and I cant stop him.. his health has been fine and I am not sure how contaiminated the house is since I also have lyme and babesia. HE has lyme as well and is handleing that well, too.. I have thieves cleaner that I have been using to dust with.. wondering if that is a good idea.. ahve to dust with something... esp if staying for a while longer as he is.. he also wants to sort through some things and start getting rid of stuff.. Heres the claim from thieves: http://www.thieves-secret.com/black-mold.htm not trying to use it to stay here.. but to clean what we are trying to salvage and keep the dust down while he chooses to remain here... Thank you!! Robin > > Marigold, > > Your plan is on target! > > A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for > controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the > naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air > cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then > create more spores (seeds). > > Sealing contents in plastic is great but ONLY if the air is dry. If the > air is humid (don't know the climate where you live) then the > moisture is trapped inside and can condense and grow mold. > > You don't have to ship contents to India or anywhere else to put ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2010 Report Share Posted August 9, 2010 My responses are below and preceeded with an *. Carl, whould you please, clarify more since i am very confused.... - are you saying that under favorable conditions spores start producing what we call mold? *Spores are seeds too small to see. With moisture they sprout and grow into a tiny plant. When the plant gets big enough to see we call it mold. The " plant " then reproduces by creating more spores (more seeds). When it is actively growing it is getting bigger and making more seeds. As it ages or if it dries out the spores and the parts of the plant break into smaller and smaller particles which can also become airborne. That is what we are mostly exposed to. - are you saying that you can not really kill mold or spores? *We can kill mold. Killing means it won't grow anymore, either in the house or in our lungs. When in our lungs it is can infection. But all the spores and fragments already produced, whether dead or alive, is what causes all the other medical problems, which is most of what happens. and the only way is to physically remove spores? * The way to stop being exposed is to remove the mold growth and the settled spores and fragments. Again, killing it doesn't stop the exposure. And when we spray bleach on visible mold what is happening? What are we killing then? *When you spray bleach on visible mold you are spraying bleach on visible mold. I don't mean to sound sarcastic but that's all you are doing. Other than bleaching the color out of it so its harder to see. If you then wipe the surface you will wipe away the mold also, but that will happen with plain water with a little detergent. If the mold is gone there is nothing to kill. And, as above, killing it doesn't really do anything. *We need to stop focusing on " killing mold. " It's a waste of money and it exposes you to a chemical. I hope this helps and I haven't confused you more. Let me know if you have more questions. Carl Grimes Healthy Habitats LLC ----- > > Marigold, > > Your plan is on target! > > A couple of clarifications, however. More important than air for > controlling mold is controlling moisture. Without moisture the > naturally occuring spores (seeds) which are always in the air > cannot " germinate " and begin growing to form a colony and then > create more spores (seeds). > > Sealing contents in plastic is great but ONLY if the air is dry. If the > air is humid (don't know the climate where you live) then the > moisture is trapped inside and can condense and grow mold. > > You don't have to ship contents to India or anywhere else to put > them in a gas chamber to kill them. It can be done here with > chlorine dioxide and a number of other " chemicals. " > > HOWEVER - Don't waste your time or money killing mold > because killing mold doesn't stop health effects because all the > " stuff " which mold has that causes health effects is still with dead > mold just as it is with live mold. > > Stop the moisture and remove the mold which has already grown ---------- The following section of this message contains a file attachment prepared for transmission using the Internet MIME message format. If you are using Pegasus Mail, or any other MIME-compliant system, you should be able to save it or view it from within your mailer. If you cannot, please ask your system administrator for assistance. ---- File information ----------- File: DEFAULT.BMP Date: 16 Jun 2009, 0:10 Size: 358 bytes. Type: Unknown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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