Sharing

[Guest guest]

NO,

I’m sure I got it from sharing needles, or more likely spoons & water

& stuff since I mostly used new ones and then let others have the dull

ones. I’m saying that he & I should have had the same type if

we got it from each other (logically). I have other former running

buddies with my type. I just don’t think that if Mike founds his

buddies & they did or didn’t have it, it would prove anything, unless

they all had it and all were 100% certain they had no other possible risk

factors.

sharing

am I understanding this correctly? you think you didn't catch

the hep from needles because the genotype was different? My using days were in

the early 70's..although the fella I believe we all got it from died long ago

I'm certain back in those days he wasn't the only one we shared with.

ICK hate remembering those days. Tomorrow is gone....who cares

where it came from long as we all know when it leaves us.

[Guest guest]

> Kim: "his consuming passion of ATV's"What kind? Where does he ride?   Rainbow

[Guest guest]

Rainbow,

This passion had begun over a year ago when he began doing the

research on the different types, sizes etc... before he would consider

buying one. Now he has a Yamaha Raptor for our youngest, a Kawasaki

Bayou 250 for the teen and a Honda CRF 100 for our daughter (She

wanted to dirt bike). He keeps changing his mind for what he'd like to

get. The more he reads the more wishy washy he gets, gotta have the

best of the best. We are taking the kids out for the first time this

weekend and plan to ride at Mills Creek Park in IL. My hubby used to

race motocross when he was younger and ride with a " club " that I'll

not mention. We've done some riding up in WI at his sisters, she has

a large lot of land.

Do you ride? What do you have if you do? Any info you can give advice

on would be welcome!

Kim

>

> > Kim: " his consuming passion of ATV's "

>

> What kind? Where does he ride?

>

> Rainbow

>

[Guest guest]

Ruth,

so glad you had a good day today. It's nice to hear from those who have an

occasional good day. At least it helps me through my bad days knowing there is

a good day ahead.

linda

nuybushepp <nuybushepp@...> wrote:

Hi everyone;

First I want to share with you;i have had knee and hip replacements..

due to RA.But I am doing OK because of my MEDS.Hummeria ; and others

medicines;along with WAter excrise...TodayI went to church;I had A good

time being a part of the service.Due to my limitiation; my hubsand and

my son helped me with the steps I had A good Day...

Thanks for allowing me to share; this with you.

Love

Ruth

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Yay Ruth! So glad you're feeling better. Water exercise is great for RA, I

always feel tons better once I've gone swimming. Best, Kate F

[ ] Sharing

Hi everyone;

First I want to share with you;i have had knee and hip replacements. .

due to RA.But I am doing OK because of my MEDS.Hummeria ; and others

medicines;along with WAter excrise...TodayI went to church;I had A good

time being a part of the service.Due to my limitiation; my hubsand and

my son helped me with the steps I had A good Day...

Thanks for allowing me to share; this with you.

Love

Ruth

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Ruth,

That is wonderful, I hope you have many painfree days to go out and do

whatever you want.

Heidi M

On 7/29/07, Fair <kalfoley@...> wrote:

>

> Yay Ruth! So glad you're feeling better. Water exercise is great for RA,

> I always feel tons better once I've gone swimming. Best, Kate F

>

> [ ] Sharing

>

> Hi everyone;

>

> First I want to share with you;i have had knee and hip replacements. .

>

> due to RA.But I am doing OK because of my MEDS.Hummeria ; and others

>

> medicines;along with WAter excrise...TodayI went to church;I had A good

>

> time being a part of the service.Due to my limitiation; my hubsand and

>

> my son helped me with the steps I had A good Day...

>

> Thanks for allowing me to share; this with you.

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> Love

>

> Ruth

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Thanks, I will try them

Heidi

On 8/7/07, edwardgrovelane <edwardgrovelane@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Hedi;

> I called the Arthritis Foundation they gave me names of places where I

> could go for water exercrice,,(YES THIS IS PART OF MY TREATMENT).For my

> RA.Good luck to you

> Love

> Lilly

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Is her place better than where you are currently living?

If so, go for it.

Mycotoxins or not, whether they can survive 15 years or not,

whether the original mycotoxins and all the other " stuff " is still

there or not.

Even if they are they will be mixed in with the intervening 15 years

of normally occurring, always present, molds and mycotoxins and

" stuff " which will be indistinguisable from the original.

There's no such thing as an absolutely pristine perfect place - but

you can find a better place. If you feel better then it is better.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Hi, im thinking of sharing with a woman but she came from a wdb 15

years ago and kept everthing. I. Just wonder would the mycotxins etc

have denatured by now or would they wtill be arou d since spores would

possible be around. I hate all this i reallydontknow what to do, also is

there really any point throwing my current clothes and bedding away if

she did not herself? Im loving in mould house now and chemical house

so im hoping that by at least getting away from chemicals helps me most.

My life sux. Cant live in tent because of my colitis and food intolerance

and i just cant deal with it emotionally. God please someone help me. Im

30 what is the point of 30 or 40 more years like this?

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Hi, im thinking of sharing with a woman but she came from a wdb 15 years ago and

kept everthing. I. Just wonder would the mycotxins etc have denatured by now or

would they wtill be arou d since spores would possible be around. I hate all

this i reallydontknow what to do, also is there really any point throwing my

current clothes and bedding away if she did not herself? Im loving in mould

house now and chemical house so im hoping that by at least getting away from

chemicals helps me most. My life sux. Cant live in tent because of my colitis

and food intolerance and i just cant deal with it emotionally. God please

someone help me. Im 30 what is the point of 30 or 40 more years like this?

[Guest guest]

Thanks carl,

When i say she kept everything, she did not clean any of it either, just grought

it, soft furnishings, paper and all.

i'll have no way to knowuntil i travel the 500ks and try it out. It should be

very goodchemical wise so that is something and in that way it willbebetter than

here, there is mould here and people here have some signs of mould illness too.

She herself is very sick and though she doesnt realise it to me its classc mould

symptomology, cfs, burning skin, sore joints, fungal infecrions, whether thats a

result of existing mold and mycotoxins i just dont know. It does cross my mind

that if her place was clean she would be well now some 15 years later but

perhaps her high chemical load and other exposures keeps her ill. Some people

say that of the ones that got better they are the ones who left everything

behind, those who took all their stuff are still sick 15 years later.

>

> Is her place better than where you are currently living?

>

> If so, go for it.

>

> Mycotoxins or not, whether they can survive 15 years or not,

> whether the original mycotoxins and all the other " stuff " is still

> there or not.

>

> Even if they are they will be mixed in with the intervening 15 years

> of normally occurring, always present, molds and mycotoxins and

> " stuff " which will be indistinguisable from the original.

>

> There's no such thing as an absolutely pristine perfect place - but

> you can find a better place. If you feel better then it is better.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

I didn't realize you hadn't spent time there. The general level of hygiene

doesn't sound conducive to good health, mold or no mold. In these situations

there is often mold issues along with the others due to lack of attention, lack

of action, or lack of knowledge. Most often it is lack of money to do what is

needed. Personally, I'd want more information before committing.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

[] Re: Sharing

Thanks carl,

When i say she kept everything, she did not clean any of it either, just grought

it, soft furnishings, paper and all.

i'll have no way to knowuntil i travel the 500ks and try it out. It should be

very goodchemical wise so that is something and in that way it willbebetter than

here, there is mould here and people here have some signs of mould illness too.

She herself is very sick and though she doesnt realise it to me its classc mould

symptomology, cfs, burning skin, sore joints, fungal infecrions, whether thats a

result of existing mold and mycotoxins i just dont know. It does cross my mind

that if her place was clean she would be well now some 15 years later but

perhaps her high chemical load and other exposures keeps her ill. Some people

say that of the ones that got better they are the ones who left everything

behind, those who took all their stuff are still sick 15 years later.

>

> Is her place better than where you are currently living?

>

> If so, go for it.

>

> Mycotoxins or not, whether they can survive 15 years or not,

> whether the original mycotoxins and all the other " stuff " is still

> there or not.

>

> Even if they are they will be mixed in with the intervening 15 years

> of normally occurring, always present, molds and mycotoxins and

> " stuff " which will be indistinguisable from the original.

>

> There's no such thing as an absolutely pristine perfect place - but

> you can find a better place. If you feel better then it is better.

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

[Guest guest]

This is not meant as a criticism of you in any way.

It is meant to emphasize to the entire Sickbuildings group how

critically important a complete history is to figuring out what

happened, what a person (or yourself) may be reacting to, and

what an effective response may entail. Without important details -

some seemingly meaningless at first - wrong conclusions and

advice is not only possible but will be given.

I'm guilty of assuming. Just check out my first two responses for

proof!

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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Sorry, i shoild make myself much much clearer.

She has neen chemically sensitive most of her life. That is the chemicals i

refer to... She grew up in a rural environment and was aerial sprayed when young

numerpus times, but was mostly ok then developd cfs at age 21 from glandular

fever that others also caught but she continued ro overwork herself 2 jobs, uni,

was athletic (tried to 'push through it') and never got better, perhaps due to

earlier chemical burden. She had chemical exposures from her work as a nurse.

The exposure in the wdb tipped her over the edge. She then found a chemical

free, mould free hpuse in town then they started spray painting next door she

lived next to tjat for 7 years and got physically assaulted repeatedly by them

when she tried to take action against it (illegal).

Then moved to her current house and recovered a little so that she could work 3

hours a week in the office and 15 hours from home, whilst bringing up her kids

alone. So i guess the continuing bad health immune disfunction and cfs could be

related to all those other stresses and set backs. Her current home has never

had leaks and is chemical free, though there is clutter. My room had been a

storage room for years but has now been vacuumed out. It is quite a chemical

free home.

>

> sorry to hear that, I started getting sick from WDB exposure around 30.

> does this lady not have any understanding of her exposure and advoidance of

the many things that might keep her in a chronicly very ill state?

> if she doesn't chances are that there will be many other possable chemicals in

the environment that might bother you regardless of if the belongings are still

a problem or not.

>

> I agree with Carl, it doesn't really sound like a good place to be, if this

lady has not gotten the knowledge to help herself to any level of relief or

recovery, it just doesn't sound good.

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I totally agree Carl, i should have built a more complete picture first. I guess

my fatigue makes me leave out things. I think it will be worth me going to try

there and Even if its just a little bit better than here it may be worth it. Im

getting bad effects from chemicals here and the little bathroom mould. It is a

big risk and cost but as long as its not mouldy it may well be better than here.

>

> This is not meant as a criticism of you in any way.

>

> It is meant to emphasize to the entire Sickbuildings group how

> critically important a complete history is to figuring out what

> happened, what a person (or yourself) may be reacting to, and

> what an effective response may entail. Without important details -

> some seemingly meaningless at first - wrong conclusions and

> advice is not only possible but will be given.

>

> I'm guilty of assuming. Just check out my first two responses for

> proof!

>

> Carl Grimes

> Healthy Habitats LLC

>