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Pamela, i am very sorry if you feel put off by folks on this list in anyway.

in my experience on this list (it has been only 7 months) i have spoke with

some very nice folks. :) i think the biggest problem with any type of e-mail

stuff is not actually seeing a person's face or knowing them which takes time

to know what makes folks tick. and somethings tick folks off like the

preservative debate (if there was a natutral preservative we would all use it

and would not deny it so don't believe anyone who says there is one they are

either misinformed or well i'll go with misinformed :) and the beeswax debate

vegan or not to be vegan (i suppose if a person is a vegan they get to make

the rules which makes sense they live by them :) or the dreaded raindrop

therapy (applying essential oils neat) i use cajeput neat on fire ant bites

but it is not recommended anyone use oils neat period. well i say all this to

say the folks who get *heated* (if that is the right wording) do so for many

reason's one being they believe feircely in their positons. this is not a

sugar and spice list it is the truth alot of smiles and oddles of humble help

very knowledgeable people are on this list i am not one of them i only know

why i like them all :) stay a while and i am sure you will too-ttfn-tamika

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  • 5 months later...

Done, finally! That thing is moving slower than a snail crossing

molassas in a Vermong winter! At first I couldn't even get the link in

the post to work. Went through the one at the Group Home page, and it

STILL took forever. I haven't gotten the last question to go through

yet :/

K.

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> Done, finally! That thing is moving slower than a snail crossing

With hopefully thousands of faithful users writing in to

complain, it's sure to be slow!

I wish they would just leave things alone. Every time tries to

" improve " things, they get worse. Remember about 2 years ago they announced

they would set lists up with no ads if they sent in a yearly $65 fee? I

belonged to a few lists that did collect the money and send it in. That

lasted about 6 months before decided to change policies again and put

ads on all list mails. People who paid wanted a refund for the remainder of

the subscription year but were refused. I'm afraid something like that would

happen again.

Out of the three free servers I have lists on, I *do* prefer - it's

easier to use and offers the most. If they did delete all the files and

archives, it would be such a shame. So ladies, if you see a message posted

with info you would like to save to refer back to in the future, save it NOW

to your hard drive.

Sue in NJ

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nne

I meant to add a notation before sending that attachment. This is one of the emails that "got lost" in yesterday's mail. I had been working on that little "explaination" for a while but haven't displayed it anywheres yet. I want all of you girls to give me your honest opinion and any possible changes before I use it. I wasn't sure whether to make a small sign to display with my products at stores or to print them on card stock & have them go in the customer's bag when they purchased anything. So girls.....let me hear what you think. I value all your opinions whether you agree or not agree.

... that's cool!

Dear ,

Thanks for passing along what you wrote. Do you display that somewhere next to your soap display, or do you include inside the bag with your soaps? Or how do you get that information to your customers?

Thanks so much,

~nneVisit my Weblog: http://lvjensen.blogspot.com/ Our Message Boardhttp://www.voy.com/21568/Check out these great Molds!!http://soapwerks.com/martinworld.htmMember Kae's Site... Awesome oil Prices!http://www.olivetreesoaps.com/All posts to this list are copyrighted by post author. They may NOT be forwarded, copied, or used in anyway without the permission of the post author with the exception of answering posts to this list. Posts are personal opinions only.

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Hmm ... I think that your description sounds very good, and I would say that either making a small sign to display or printing the message on card stock and adding them to the customer's bag would be good ... I think that if you put them into the bags, they would be more likely to read them ... or what about doing both? Is that too much, though? Thanks for asking our opinions ... I think that your wording sounds great!

~nne :-)

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,

I love the wording you chose in this warning info! May I borrow

from it?

This is something I picked up from another list to put on your product

labels:

FDA Required Warning- The safety of this product has not been determined

by a laboratory

Ehrhardt

Body & Soap

***coming soon***

www.bodyandsoap.com

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Terri,

Tammy is so lucky to have you! You are definitely an angel in disguise. Don't

worry about the list....we've got a great group here and we understand. Just be

sure to also take care of yourself!! I'll keep you in my thoughts!

Hugs, Kathy

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OMG.. what a type-o <<<Well... maybe she can relax on her own now with

someone

giving her drugs to do it. >>>

That should HAVE been withOUT someone giving her drugs... sheesh

I am going to teach her some relaxation stuff and give her a lampring with

lavender EO.

We have to remind her that Mom's go home... her mom gets on her nerves big

time... She gets on mine too, but I walk away whistling and start cleaning

something. You know how old world Mom's can be... " You don't want that "

That's no good " " Throw it out... it's junk... no good " and such... Tammy

hears me whistle and chuckles and relaxes :)

Terri

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Thanks Kathy,

I just want the list to go on as if nothing is different. On some lists if

the ListMom is absent the list dies. We've got a great thing going here and

I don't want that to change.

Terri

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Send my regards to him, hope he feels better!

~Bon

> I'm , a friend of Irwin Royes,,,,,Irwin fell and fractured his

hip, is

> in the hospital indefinitely and was not able to contact you.

Those of you

> who know Irwin knows he has O.I. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,will keep u posted.

If anyone

> has a phone number for Jim , please send ,,,,Irwin wants to

contact

> him.

>

> Thanks,

>

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Thank you all so very much for your responses to my email about Irwin. He's

still hospitalized and has been put into a brace, flat on his back, still in

much pain and discomfort....The doctor says that he will go home as soon as a

hospital bed is in his home and that he will be flat on his back for about 3

weeks if the surgery is successful. Keep the prayers coming...

Thanks again and I will keep you posted.

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II am so sorry for your loss and to not have your sister around is so

difficult. I have a sister that is 3 years older and is often very sickly and

has nearly died several times. I think many times about what I wouldn't do

without calling or e-mailing everyday and I strongly believe in that I lost

my Mom when I was 16 and she was only 47 that you have got to go on in things

that would make a difference because of their lives. My Mom had a brain tumor

and my son has epilepsy and I am trying hard to support others that are going

through this. We feel the pain so raw and deep right now and with each thing

that someone does that is just like your sister you will feel great joy and

pain. When you want to visit her, visit through photos and memories. I no

longer live where my Mom died so I don't get to visit her grave site but I do

visit her daily in prayer and look for guidance from my parents fromup above.

They have gotten me through some difficult times. I hope that this helps a

little. and know that we will be here to listen

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[ ] Please read

> I would like to ask you all to please pray for me, my sister Shae Lynn

> and especially my parents.

>

> My one and only sister passed away yesterday at the age of 38. She was

> diagnosed with Nodular Menaloma 2 1/2 years ago and 6 months ago found out

it

> spread to her brain. She was actually doing very well with treatments but

> ended up getting a fungal infection and since her bodies immune system was

> weakened by the cancer and cancer meds plus radiation she just went to

sleep.

> Literally. She was awake (in the hospital for the fungal infection)

> watching tv with her husband and then she fell asleep, she woke up once

and

> looked at him in a very peaceful way and then just drifted off and was

gone.

>

>

> She was residing in Denmark with her husband who is Danish. There will be

a

> service over there next week Friday then she is being cremated and brought

> back here by her husband and his mother (my dad also since he is going for

> her funeral over there). Then we are having a service here on Halloween

(if

> you knew my sister you would know that this is perfect, it was her

favorite

> holiday and she loved that stuff). Then, my to my full devastation, she

is

> being taken back to Denmark to be buried. I won't have anywhere to visit

or

> talk to her. I think that is making this so much harder.

>

> The feelings I have are undescribable. This is a hurt I don't know how to

> overcome or live with. I will grow up alone with out my sister. I will

> watch my parents die without my sister and I will have to take care of

that

> all by myself. I have no one to share my frustrations about my mom with.

I

> have no one to call when I am bored at midnight because I can't sleep. I

> will no longer be able to just call her to ask a question. I don't know

why

> God had to take her. I can't stop crying and I can't stop thinking about

it.

> I can't sleep and I dont' want to eat. I know I have to special kids to

> take care of but I just don't want to right now.

>

> I was able to talk to Shae on Monday and I did get to tell her that I

loved

> her and she said I love you too. Atleast I got to tell her I loved her.

But

> why didn't I get to say good-bye? Shae was never baptized and she didn't

> believe in a God per say. I am petrified she is gone to me for all

eternity

> but I am trying to believe that God is an all loving God and he will

forgive

> her for this.

>

> I will forever miss my sister. I will forever think of her and I don't

know

> how I am going to live the next 40 some years without her. I am saddened

> that my children will never know how much of a wonderful person she was.

> They won't even remember she existed when they are older. I am finding

this

> whole thing very cruel.

>

> I am sorry to dump but typing about it seems to help.

>

> Thanks for listening!

>

>

>

> Tangen - Mom to 4, stroke in utero, epilepsy, asthma, mild

> hemiparesis, mild hypotonia, moderate cognitively delayed and Hannah 2,

> macrocephaly, dysphagia, asthma and gerd.

>

> Our personal pages... http://www.execpc.com/~tanj/heather

>

> Pediatric Stroke Network

> http://www.pediatricstrokenetwork.com

> Discuss, Support, ACHIEVE!!

>

>

>

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So sorry to hear of your great loss. I cannot even imagine?

One thing....and bear this in mind?

Menalomas are often of stealth virus origin. I wonder if they

could take a sample of the cancer and send it off to Dr of CCID?

www.ccid.org .

Kathy

[ ] Please read

> I would like to ask you all to please pray for me, my sister Shae Lynn

> and especially my parents.

>

> My one and only sister passed away yesterday at the age of 38. She was

> diagnosed with Nodular Menaloma 2 1/2 years ago and 6 months ago found out

it

> spread to her brain. She was actually doing very well with treatments but

> ended up getting a fungal infection and since her bodies immune system was

> weakened by the cancer and cancer meds plus radiation she just went to

sleep.

> Literally. She was awake (in the hospital for the fungal infection)

> watching tv with her husband and then she fell asleep, she woke up once

and

> looked at him in a very peaceful way and then just drifted off and was

gone.

>

>

> She was residing in Denmark with her husband who is Danish. There will be

a

> service over there next week Friday then she is being cremated and brought

> back here by her husband and his mother (my dad also since he is going for

> her funeral over there). Then we are having a service here on Halloween

(if

> you knew my sister you would know that this is perfect, it was her

favorite

> holiday and she loved that stuff). Then, my to my full devastation, she

is

> being taken back to Denmark to be buried. I won't have anywhere to visit

or

> talk to her. I think that is making this so much harder.

>

> The feelings I have are undescribable. This is a hurt I don't know how to

> overcome or live with. I will grow up alone with out my sister. I will

> watch my parents die without my sister and I will have to take care of

that

> all by myself. I have no one to share my frustrations about my mom with.

I

> have no one to call when I am bored at midnight because I can't sleep. I

> will no longer be able to just call her to ask a question. I don't know

why

> God had to take her. I can't stop crying and I can't stop thinking about

it.

> I can't sleep and I dont' want to eat. I know I have to special kids to

> take care of but I just don't want to right now.

>

> I was able to talk to Shae on Monday and I did get to tell her that I

loved

> her and she said I love you too. Atleast I got to tell her I loved her.

But

> why didn't I get to say good-bye? Shae was never baptized and she didn't

> believe in a God per say. I am petrified she is gone to me for all

eternity

> but I am trying to believe that God is an all loving God and he will

forgive

> her for this.

>

> I will forever miss my sister. I will forever think of her and I don't

know

> how I am going to live the next 40 some years without her. I am saddened

> that my children will never know how much of a wonderful person she was.

> They won't even remember she existed when they are older. I am finding

this

> whole thing very cruel.

>

> I am sorry to dump but typing about it seems to help.

>

> Thanks for listening!

>

>

>

> Tangen - Mom to 4, stroke in utero, epilepsy, asthma, mild

> hemiparesis, mild hypotonia, moderate cognitively delayed and Hannah 2,

> macrocephaly, dysphagia, asthma and gerd.

>

> Our personal pages... http://www.execpc.com/~tanj/heather

>

> Pediatric Stroke Network

> http://www.pediatricstrokenetwork.com

> Discuss, Support, ACHIEVE!!

>

>

>

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Dear ,

I'm so sorry for your loss. I lost my father to cancer this June, and

understand how it feels to lose the family member who understands your pain the

best. There aren't any words that can make your hurt go away, but I hope it

helps you to know that I care, and in some small way understand.

My deepest condolences,

Carrol

Mom2StrokeSurvr@... wrote:I would like to ask you all to please pray for

me, my sister Shae Lynn

and especially my parents.

My one and only sister passed away yesterday at the age of 38. She was

diagnosed with Nodular Menaloma 2 1/2 years ago and 6 months ago found out it

spread to her brain. She was actually doing very well with treatments but

ended up getting a fungal infection and since her bodies immune system was

weakened by the cancer and cancer meds plus radiation she just went to sleep.

Literally. She was awake (in the hospital for the fungal infection)

watching tv with her husband and then she fell asleep, she woke up once and

looked at him in a very peaceful way and then just drifted off and was gone.

She was residing in Denmark with her husband who is Danish. There will be a

service over there next week Friday then she is being cremated and brought

back here by her husband and his mother (my dad also since he is going for

her funeral over there). Then we are having a service here on Halloween (if

you knew my sister you would know that this is perfect, it was her favorite

holiday and she loved that stuff). Then, my to my full devastation, she is

being taken back to Denmark to be buried. I won't have anywhere to visit or

talk to her. I think that is making this so much harder.

The feelings I have are undescribable. This is a hurt I don't know how to

overcome or live with. I will grow up alone with out my sister. I will

watch my parents die without my sister and I will have to take care of that

all by myself. I have no one to share my frustrations about my mom with. I

have no one to call when I am bored at midnight because I can't sleep. I

will no longer be able to just call her to ask a question. I don't know why

God had to take her. I can't stop crying and I can't stop thinking about it.

I can't sleep and I dont' want to eat. I know I have to special kids to

take care of but I just don't want to right now.

I was able to talk to Shae on Monday and I did get to tell her that I loved

her and she said I love you too. Atleast I got to tell her I loved her. But

why didn't I get to say good-bye? Shae was never baptized and she didn't

believe in a God per say. I am petrified she is gone to me for all eternity

but I am trying to believe that God is an all loving God and he will forgive

her for this.

I will forever miss my sister. I will forever think of her and I don't know

how I am going to live the next 40 some years without her. I am saddened

that my children will never know how much of a wonderful person she was.

They won't even remember she existed when they are older. I am finding this

whole thing very cruel.

I am sorry to dump but typing about it seems to help.

Thanks for listening!

Tangen - Mom to 4, stroke in utero, epilepsy, asthma, mild

hemiparesis, mild hypotonia, moderate cognitively delayed and Hannah 2,

macrocephaly, dysphagia, asthma and gerd.

Our personal pages... http://www.execpc.com/~tanj/heather

Pediatric Stroke Network

http://www.pediatricstrokenetwork.com

Discuss, Support, ACHIEVE!!

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Dear ,

I am sorry for the loss of your sister. Your sister will always be

with you in spirit and your memory. My thoughts and prayers are with

you and your family.

Zoe

>

> [ ] Please read

>

>

> > I would like to ask you all to please pray for me, my sister Shae

Lynn

>

> > and especially my parents.

> >

> > My one and only sister passed away yesterday at the age of 38.

She was

> > diagnosed with Nodular Menaloma 2 1/2 years ago and 6 months ago

found out

> it

> > spread to her brain. She was actually doing very well with

treatments but

> > ended up getting a fungal infection and since her bodies immune

system was

> > weakened by the cancer and cancer meds plus radiation she just

went to

> sleep.

> > Literally. She was awake (in the hospital for the fungal

infection)

> > watching tv with her husband and then she fell asleep, she woke

up once

> and

> > looked at him in a very peaceful way and then just drifted off

and was

> gone.

> >

> >

> > She was residing in Denmark with her husband who is Danish.

There will be

> a

> > service over there next week Friday then she is being cremated

and brought

> > back here by her husband and his mother (my dad also since he is

going for

> > her funeral over there). Then we are having a service here on

Halloween

> (if

> > you knew my sister you would know that this is perfect, it was her

> favorite

> > holiday and she loved that stuff). Then, my to my full

devastation, she

> is

> > being taken back to Denmark to be buried. I won't have anywhere

to visit

> or

> > talk to her. I think that is making this so much harder.

> >

> > The feelings I have are undescribable. This is a hurt I don't

know how to

> > overcome or live with. I will grow up alone with out my sister.

I will

> > watch my parents die without my sister and I will have to take

care of

> that

> > all by myself. I have no one to share my frustrations about my

mom with.

> I

> > have no one to call when I am bored at midnight because I can't

sleep. I

> > will no longer be able to just call her to ask a question. I

don't know

> why

> > God had to take her. I can't stop crying and I can't stop

thinking about

> it.

> > I can't sleep and I dont' want to eat. I know I have to special

kids to

> > take care of but I just don't want to right now.

> >

> > I was able to talk to Shae on Monday and I did get to tell her

that I

> loved

> > her and she said I love you too. Atleast I got to tell her I

loved her.

> But

> > why didn't I get to say good-bye? Shae was never baptized and

she didn't

> > believe in a God per say. I am petrified she is gone to me for

all

> eternity

> > but I am trying to believe that God is an all loving God and he

will

> forgive

> > her for this.

> >

> > I will forever miss my sister. I will forever think of her and I

don't

> know

> > how I am going to live the next 40 some years without her. I am

saddened

> > that my children will never know how much of a wonderful person

she was.

> > They won't even remember she existed when they are older. I am

finding

> this

> > whole thing very cruel.

> >

> > I am sorry to dump but typing about it seems to help.

> >

> > Thanks for listening!

> >

> >

> >

> > Tangen - Mom to 4, stroke in utero, epilepsy,

asthma, mild

> > hemiparesis, mild hypotonia, moderate cognitively delayed and

Hannah 2,

> > macrocephaly, dysphagia, asthma and gerd.

> >

> > Our personal pages... http://www.execpc.com/~tanj/heather

> >

> > Pediatric Stroke Network

> > http://www.pediatricstrokenetwork.com

> > Discuss, Support, ACHIEVE!!

> >

> >

> >

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> I did go on Oprah's site and do this. This is through Anmesty

International, I was involved with it in High School. Read this e-mail and

go on Oprah's site. On the opening page is a link called " get involved "

Thanks,

>

> > PLEASE READ. THIS IS NOT A SCAM!

> This really needs to be addressed.

>

> > > > Plesae take a minute to respond...

> > > > Last Friday, the Oprah show covered a story of a Nigerian woman,

Amina

> > > > Lawal, who has been sentenced to death by stoning because she had a

> baby

> > > out

> > > > of wedlock. She has tried to appeal the decision but has been

> > > unsuccessful,

> > > > thus far. The head of Nigeria disagrees with these stoning but has

so

> > far

> > > > done nothing--partly because of the fear of not being re-elected. I

> > should

> > > > also note that the father of the baby denied fathering the child

and,

> > > hence,

> > > > has escaped any form of punishment.

> > > >

> > > > Amina Lawal's stoning will occur as soon as she is finished nursing

> her

> > > > child. She will be buried up to her neck in dirt and townsmen will

> throw

> > > > stones at her head until they kill her--which has been known to take

> > > hours.

> > > >

> > > > I send out a plea to all the women receiving this e-mail and to all

> the

> > > men

> > > > raised by women to join me and many others to help prevent this

> horrific

> > > and

> > > > inhumane event from occurring. All you have to do is visit the Oprah

> > > > website: www.oprah.com <http://www.oprah.com/>

> > > >

> > > > Click on the Amina Lawal pop up screen or search using Amina's name

> and

> > > you

> > > > will see a prewritten letter addressed to the Nigerian Ambassador.

> Just

> > > fill

> > > > out your information on the bottom of the page and send it.

> > > >

> > > > It's as simple as that. You can even go one step further and forward

> > this

> > > > e-mail to your friends so they can be part of the mission to save

> Amina

> > > > Lawal.

> > > >

> > > > It's your chance to save one woman's life. We can claim ignorance

when

> > > doing

> > > > nothing to stop vicious atrocities that we know nothing about from

> > > occurring

> > > > but there is no justification if we standby and allow for these

events

> > to

> > > > take place when we are fully aware of them. Thank you very much for

> > > reading

> > > > this....

> > > >

> > > > Amy McNeely

> > > > Friede Goldman Limited, Inc.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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I have seen this story many times and in fact have a copy posted in the mammo

room at my hospital, Paget's disease is VERY RARE but serious.

please read

Please forward to all of the women in

> your lives . . Mothers, daughters, sisters, aunts, friends, etc.

>

> In November, a rare kind of breast cancer was found. The

sister

> of my friend developed a rash on her breast, similar to that of

young

> mothers who are nursing.

> Because her mammogram had been clear, the doctor treated her

with

> antibiotics for infections. After 2 rounds and it continued to get

> worse, her doctor sent her for another mammogram, and this time

it showed

> a

> mass.

> A biopsy found a fast growing malignancy. Chemo was started in

> order to shrink the growth; then mastectomy; then a full round of

Chemo;

> then

> radiation. After about 9 months of intense treatment, she was

given a

> clean bill of health.

> One year of living each day to its fullest. Then the cancer

> returned to the liver area. She took 4 treatments and decided

that she

> wanted

> quality of life, not the after effects of Chemo. We had 5 great

months

> and

> she

> planned each detail of the final days. After just a few days of

needing

> morphine, she slipped away saying she had done what God had sent

her

> into the world to do and now it was her time to go.

> PLEASE be alert to any thing that is not normal, and be

> persistent in getting help as soon as possible.

>

> Her message is shown below:

> Paget's Disease: This is a rare form of breast cancer, and

is

> on the outside of the breast, on the nipple and aureola. It

appeared as

> a

> rash, which later became a lesion with a crusty outer edge. I

would not

> have

> never suspected it to be breast cancer but it was. My nipple never

> seemed any different to me, but the rash bothered me, so I went

to the

> doctor

> for that. Sometimes, it itched and was sore, but other than that

it

> didn't

> bother me. It was just ugly and a nuisance, and could not be

cleared up

> with all the creams prescribed by my doctor and dermatologist for

the

> dermatitis on my eyes just prior to this outbreak. They seemed a

> little concerned but did not warn me it could be cancerous. Now, I

> suspect

> there are not many women out there who know a lesion or rash on

the

> nipple

> or

> aureola can be breast cancer.

> Mine started out as a single red pimple on the aureola. One

of

> the biggest problems with Paget's disease of the nipple is that

the

> symptoms appear to be harmless. It is frequently thought to be a

skin

> inflammation or infection, leading to unfortunate delays in

detection and

> care.

> What are the symptoms? The symptoms include:

> 1. A persistent redness, oozing, and crusting of your nipple

> causing it to itch and burn. (As I stated, mine did not itch or

burn

> much, and had no

> oozing I was aware of, but it did have a crust along the outer

edge on

> one

> side.)

> 2. A sore on your nipple that will not heal. (Mine was on the

> aureola area with a whitish thick looking area in center of

nipple).

> 3. Usually only one nipple is affected.

> How is it diagnosed?

> Your doctor will do a physical exam and should suggest

having

> a mammogram of both breasts, done immediately. Even though the

redness,

> oozing and crusting closely resemble dermatitis (inflammation of

the

> skin), your doctor should suspect cancer if the sore is only on

one

> breast.

> Your doctor should order a biopsy of your sore to confirm what is

going

> on.

> This message should be taken seriously and passed on to as

many

> of your relatives and friends as possible; it could save

someone's life.

> My breast cancer has spread and metastasized to my bones

after

> receiving mega doses of chemotherapy, 28 treatments of radiation

and

> taking Tamaxofin. If this had been diagnosed as breast cancer in

the

> beginning, perhaps it would not have spread...

> TO ALL READERS: This is sad as women are not aware of Paget's

> disease.

> If, by passing this around on the e-mail, we can make others

> aware of it, and its potential danger, we are helping women

everywhere.

> Please, if you can, take a moment to forward this message to

as

> many people as possible, especially to your family and friends.

It only

> takes a moment, yet the results could save a life!

>

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This is from Lillian, too.

------- Forwarded message follows -------

From: " Dexine McKenzie " <dexinem@...>

Organization: mesa.k12.co.us

lblackmn@...

Date sent: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:54:38 -0700

Subject: (Fwd) FW:

Priority: normal

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>>

>>

>>TAKE TIME TO READ THIS!

>>IT IS A SHORT STORY.

>>

>>

>>TwoPots

>>

>>

>>

>>An elderly Chinese womanhad two large pots, each hung

>>

>>on the ends of a pole whichshe carried across her

>>

>>neck. One of the pots had a crackin

>>

>>it while the other pot was perfect andalways

>>

>>delivered a full portion of water.

>>

>>

>>

>>At the end of the long walk from the streamto the

>>

>>house, the cracked pot arrived only half full. Fora

>>

>>full two years this went on daily,

>>

>>with the woman bringing home only one and a half pots

>>

>>ofwater. Of course, the perfect pot was proud of its

>>

>>accomplishments. But the poor

>>

>>cracked pot was ashamed ofits own imperfection, and

>>

>>miserable that it could only dohalf of what it had

>>

>>been made to do.

>>

>>

>>

>>After 2 years of what it perceived to bebitter

>>

>>failure, it spoke to the woman one day by thestream.

>>

>> " I am ashamed of myself, because this crack in myside

>>

>>causes water to leak out all the way back toyour

>>

>>house. "

>>

>>

>>

>>The old woman smiled, " Did you notice that there are

>>

>>flowers on your side of the path, but not on the other

>>

>>pot's side? That's because I have

>>

>>always knownabout your flaw, so I planted flower

>>

>>seeds on your sideof the path, and every day while we

>>

>>walk back, you waterthem. "

>>

>>

>>

>> " For two years I havebeen able to pick these beautiful

>>

>>flowers to decorate thetable. Without you being just

>>

>>the way you are, therewould

>>

>>not be this beauty to grace thehouse. "

>>

>>

>>

>>Each of us has ourown unique flaw. But it's the

>>

>>cracks and flaws we eachhave that make our lives

>>

>>together so very interesting andrewarding. You've

>>

>>just got to take each person for whatthey are and

>>

>>look for the good in them.

>>

>>

>>

>>To all of my crackpot friends, have a greatday and

>>

>>remember to smell theflowers.

>

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Not to sound cynical, but our private medical information is already on computer. They can get it anyway. I think they're just looking for a legal way to cover their asses just in case some one inadvertently stumbles upon the truth. Ivylzwilkinson@... wrote:

>The following ad was placed in (Mar 6, 2004) Times Colonist by>the BCGEU. I feel strongly about this issue and urge you to read further and then sign the petition.>>The Gordon Liberals plan to sell off the Medical Services Plan and PharmaCare to either IBM or Maximus - both American multi-national corporations - by August 31.>>The government will give an American-owned corporation access to>private records on every British Columbian. This includes health treatment,pharmacy, income tax, mental health and criminal records, as well as records from the ministries of Children and Family Development and Human Resources.>>A New York expert on the new USA Patriot Act says this could even give the FBI access to our private medical record.>>The Patriot Act allows the FBI to demand corporations secretly hand over medical

records and other personal information of innocent people. And legal precedents suggest even if the information is held by a Canadian subsidiary, the American parent company could be required to hand it over.>>Our personal medical information should not be made available to>private corporations that don't answer to our privacy laws. It should remain in the care of public employees who are bound by an oath of office to keep it confidential.>>For more information and to sign the petition,>http://www.petitiononline.com/publicpc/>>If you feel strongly about this issue, please send this email to all your friends.

Be good to yourself,LizSome day's you're the dog, and some days you're the hydrantAttitude determines altitude. - unknown

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I hesitate to respond, but... Just be careful that you are not

projecting insecurities onto your child that would never occur to

him. My mom was always concerned about my appearance. I grew up

thinking I wans't pretty enough/perfect enough b/c my mom was always

obsessing about something she thought wasn't " right " which, generally

speaking, wasn't an issue until she made it one.

She always wished we could fix this or that. I think she THOUGHT I

was too young to be listening to her talk to other adults or that

when she talked to my parent's friends, grandparents, etc it wouldn't

get back to me. It ALWAYS did. I don't think she ever realized how

toxic her attitude was (she was just trying, like you, to be a good

mom) and didn't realize how young children internalize these things.

After the ear surgery, I was teased a lot more about the bandages and

having to sleep with nylons on my head than I ever was b/c my ears

stuck out. For YEARS afterwards, it was a big deal. I think a lot of

my friend's parents were alarmed and said things in front of their

children which the kids, in turn, brought to the school yard. This

isn't to say you didn't do the right thing, I don't know your child,

just be careful.

At 6, there isn't much you can do about his headshape. I wish my mom

had taught me to value the quirks that made me different rather than

planting seeds in my young mind (or other people's) that something

was " off. " Look at , , etc... many

people have imperfect features which, with the right attiude, are

beautiful.

My daugher was born with scapocephaly. Even after 2 DOC bands, she

has quite a bit of facial asymmetry. One eye is bigger than the

other. One side of her forehead bosses out a little more than the

other... I will NEVER let her know I see it as a problem. If there is

only mild asymmetry, let it go. Look for what is right, not what is

wrong.

Just my .02

--- In Plagiocephaly , " sharp3951 " <sharp3951@y...>

wrote:

>

> I emailed my 6 year old son's pictures to around 6 people on this

> group. They all looked at the pictures and told me that if he did

> have plagio that it was very very mild. They said that they could

tell

> that one of his ears were a little off but it was not that

noticeable.

> So i started looking at him really well and his head does seem to be

> pretty accurate. Maybe just a little bit of a flat spot on the left

> side but i measured his ears to his eyes. His left ear seems to be a

> little less than a 1/4 of an inch closer to his eye than his right

> ear. My hubby, sister, and mom think i worry too much. My mom says

> everyones ear is off a little. But why do i keep noticing my son's

> ears. He had ear surgery for his protruding ears. I wonder if there

> is anything i can do for this. I don't want it to bother him when he

> gets older.I don't know why its off but i do know that when he was

> born, the left side of his head was flatter than the right side and

> his

> left ear stuck out way more than the right ear and seemed a lot

> closer. I guess his head has even out pretty well but his ears did

get

> better but they never completely got symmetrical. My hubby thanks i

> obsess too much. Thanks for listening. I just want my son to be

happy

> with himself and not to be picked on. He got picked on about his

> protruding ears so i got them fixed for him. I don't want him to be

> picked on about anything else on him. He is a very very cute child.

I

> always ask my hubby how did we have such cute children.

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, I think that you have given us all of us parents good sound advice to think about....as we consider a second band I am going to keep your advice to refer to! hardysmom <stephanie_bonebrake@...> wrote:

I hesitate to respond, but... Just be careful that you are not projecting insecurities onto your child that would never occur to him. My mom was always concerned about my appearance. I grew up thinking I wans't pretty enough/perfect enough b/c my mom was always obsessing about something she thought wasn't "right" which, generally speaking, wasn't an issue until she made it one. She always wished we could fix this or that. I think she THOUGHT I was too young to be listening to her talk to other adults or that when she talked to my parent's friends, grandparents, etc it wouldn't get back to me. It ALWAYS did. I don't think she ever realized how toxic her attitude was (she was just trying, like you, to be a good mom) and didn't realize how young children internalize these things. After the ear surgery, I was teased a lot

more about the bandages and having to sleep with nylons on my head than I ever was b/c my ears stuck out. For YEARS afterwards, it was a big deal. I think a lot of my friend's parents were alarmed and said things in front of their children which the kids, in turn, brought to the school yard. This isn't to say you didn't do the right thing, I don't know your child, just be careful. At 6, there isn't much you can do about his headshape. I wish my mom had taught me to value the quirks that made me different rather than planting seeds in my young mind (or other people's) that something was "off." Look at , , etc... many people have imperfect features which, with the right attiude, are beautiful. My daugher was born with scapocephaly. Even after 2 DOC bands, she has quite a bit of facial asymmetry. One eye is bigger than the other. One side of her forehead bosses out a little more than

the other... I will NEVER let her know I see it as a problem. If there is only mild asymmetry, let it go. Look for what is right, not what is wrong. Just my .02> > I emailed my 6 year old son's pictures to around 6 people on this> group. They all looked at the pictures and told me that if he did> have plagio that it was very very mild. They said that they could tell> that one of his ears were a little off but it was not that noticeable.> So i started looking at him really well and his head does seem to be> pretty accurate. Maybe just a little bit of a flat spot on the left> side but i measured his ears to his eyes. His left ear seems to be a> little less than a 1/4 of an inch closer to his eye than his right> ear. My hubby, sister, and mom think i worry too much. My mom says>

everyones ear is off a little. But why do i keep noticing my son's> ears. He had ear surgery for his protruding ears. I wonder if there> is anything i can do for this. I don't want it to bother him when he> gets older.I don't know why its off but i do know that when he was> born, the left side of his head was flatter than the right side and > his> left ear stuck out way more than the right ear and seemed a lot> closer. I guess his head has even out pretty well but his ears did get> better but they never completely got symmetrical. My hubby thanks i> obsess too much. Thanks for listening. I just want my son to be happy> with himself and not to be picked on. He got picked on about his> protruding ears so i got them fixed for him. I don't want him to be> picked on about anything else on him. He is a very very cute child. I> always ask my hubby how did we have such cute

children.For more plagio info

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I have to agree with . My self-esteem was affected somewhat

by my mother, who although a very loving person, could be critical as

she was a perfectionist. My son Connor, who received good correction

with his helmet, still has facial assymetry especially in his jaw line

, left ear and side of his head. Although his jaw is something that

will require a doctor to follow his growth, the difference in the side

of his head and his ear most likely will never be completely better. I

know that I don't want to make him feel like he is different and don't

want to point it out as a problem. It's natural to want your child to

be perfect, but the truth is that none of us are perfect. From what

you describe I think it's unlikely that most people will notice the

difference in his ears and from what you said he's a cute boy. We, as

parents, I think notice things that others don't. I know it can be

hard, but try not to worry about it so much.

Connor (PPO helmet grad 8/04, tort resolved, mild craniofacial microsomia)

>

> I emailed my 6 year old son's pictures to around 6 people on this

> group. They all looked at the pictures and told me that if he did

> have plagio that it was very very mild. They said that they could tell

> that one of his ears were a little off but it was not that noticeable.

> So i started looking at him really well and his head does seem to be

> pretty accurate. Maybe just a little bit of a flat spot on the left

> side but i measured his ears to his eyes. His left ear seems to be a

> little less than a 1/4 of an inch closer to his eye than his right

> ear. My hubby, sister, and mom think i worry too much. My mom says

> everyones ear is off a little. But why do i keep noticing my son's

> ears. He had ear surgery for his protruding ears. I wonder if there

> is anything i can do for this. I don't want it to bother him when he

> gets older.I don't know why its off but i do know that when he was

> born, the left side of his head was flatter than the right side and

> his

> left ear stuck out way more than the right ear and seemed a lot

> closer. I guess his head has even out pretty well but his ears did get

> better but they never completely got symmetrical. My hubby thanks i

> obsess too much. Thanks for listening. I just want my son to be happy

> with himself and not to be picked on. He got picked on about his

> protruding ears so i got them fixed for him. I don't want him to be

> picked on about anything else on him. He is a very very cute child. I

> always ask my hubby how did we have such cute children.

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