pets

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>

>Make sure they stay out of his bedroom. That is what the doctor always

>told

>me.

This is what we were told also and we are pretty diligent about it. I guess

it makes sense as he spends more time in that room than any other.

Mom to Conner (11, Asperger's, mild CP, partial seizures, asthma, GERD,

immunodeficiency and resolved adrenal insufficiency),

Hayden (11, PDD-NOS, IBS and moderate hearing loss/aided),

Evan (11, asthma and mild hearing loss/unaided),

and Kelsey - (9 going on 19!)

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In a message dated 9/20/2005 2:21:36 PM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@... writes:

> Any thoughts?

>

>

:

Our doc, who was Infectious Diseases and Immunology reacted to my question,

" Should we get rid of our cat? " like I was a moron. She said snippily, " We

don't make AIDS patients get rid of their cats. " So her answer was keep the

pets.

What we DO do is not touch reptiles, because their feces can have salmonella,

and use Purell liberally after petting zoos and then wash with soap and water

when possible. Birds can have some nasty germies in their poo too, I think.

We only have fish (ended up having to get rid of the cat anyway due to my

allergies!), but if we had a dog or cat the only thing I'd do is not make

have anything to do with their waste, like no litter-changing or

pooper-scooping. And we only change the fish water into the sink, since I saw

some

newsmagazine story about a child getting some rare tropical infection from

bathing in a

bathtub where they emptied their fishwater into it periodically (they had

some exotic South American fish). Yuck!

So our take has been pretty much enjoy the pets, but avoid their hygiene

rituals.

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/20/2005 2:21:36 PM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@... writes:

> Any thoughts?

>

>

:

Our doc, who was Infectious Diseases and Immunology reacted to my question,

" Should we get rid of our cat? " like I was a moron. She said snippily, " We

don't make AIDS patients get rid of their cats. " So her answer was keep the

pets.

What we DO do is not touch reptiles, because their feces can have salmonella,

and use Purell liberally after petting zoos and then wash with soap and water

when possible. Birds can have some nasty germies in their poo too, I think.

We only have fish (ended up having to get rid of the cat anyway due to my

allergies!), but if we had a dog or cat the only thing I'd do is not make

have anything to do with their waste, like no litter-changing or

pooper-scooping. And we only change the fish water into the sink, since I saw

some

newsmagazine story about a child getting some rare tropical infection from

bathing in a

bathtub where they emptied their fishwater into it periodically (they had

some exotic South American fish). Yuck!

So our take has been pretty much enjoy the pets, but avoid their hygiene

rituals.

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very healthy!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/21/2005 6:34:17 AM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@... writes:

> My husband says the emotional trauma will be worse than any

> health risks

Ya mean HIS emotional trauma? Just kidding!

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/21/2005 6:34:17 AM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@... writes:

> My husband says the emotional trauma will be worse than any

> health risks

Ya mean HIS emotional trauma? Just kidding!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

As to the pet situation, we have a cat, dog and pony. hasn't had a

problem with any of them, the vet did tell us if we got a cat it would have to

be an inside cat, that would limit it hunting and bringing germs and things

inside the house. We do not let the dog go upstairs into the bedrooms, but the

cat does. wants a lizard, but them I am wary of because of Salmonella,

turtles too. Just my 2 cents.

mom to - CVID, asthma, GERD

Re: Pets

In a message dated 9/20/2005 2:21:36 PM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@...<mailto:tripletsand1@...> writes:

> Any thoughts?

>

>

:

Our doc, who was Infectious Diseases and Immunology reacted to my question,

" Should we get rid of our cat? " like I was a moron. She said snippily, " We

don't make AIDS patients get rid of their cats. " So her answer was keep the

pets.

What we DO do is not touch reptiles, because their feces can have salmonella,

and use Purell liberally after petting zoos and then wash with soap and water

when possible. Birds can have some nasty germies in their poo too, I think.

We only have fish (ended up having to get rid of the cat anyway due to my

allergies!), but if we had a dog or cat the only thing I'd do is not make

have anything to do with their waste, like no litter-changing or

pooper-scooping. And we only change the fish water into the sink, since I saw

some

newsmagazine story about a child getting some rare tropical infection from

bathing in a

bathtub where they emptied their fishwater into it periodically (they had

some exotic South American fish). Yuck!

So our take has been pretty much enjoy the pets, but avoid their hygiene

rituals.

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very

healthy!)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

As to the pet situation, we have a cat, dog and pony. hasn't had a

problem with any of them, the vet did tell us if we got a cat it would have to

be an inside cat, that would limit it hunting and bringing germs and things

inside the house. We do not let the dog go upstairs into the bedrooms, but the

cat does. wants a lizard, but them I am wary of because of Salmonella,

turtles too. Just my 2 cents.

mom to - CVID, asthma, GERD

Re: Pets

In a message dated 9/20/2005 2:21:36 PM Central Standard Time,

tripletsand1@...<mailto:tripletsand1@...> writes:

> Any thoughts?

>

>

:

Our doc, who was Infectious Diseases and Immunology reacted to my question,

" Should we get rid of our cat? " like I was a moron. She said snippily, " We

don't make AIDS patients get rid of their cats. " So her answer was keep the

pets.

What we DO do is not touch reptiles, because their feces can have salmonella,

and use Purell liberally after petting zoos and then wash with soap and water

when possible. Birds can have some nasty germies in their poo too, I think.

We only have fish (ended up having to get rid of the cat anyway due to my

allergies!), but if we had a dog or cat the only thing I'd do is not make

have anything to do with their waste, like no litter-changing or

pooper-scooping. And we only change the fish water into the sink, since I saw

some

newsmagazine story about a child getting some rare tropical infection from

bathing in a

bathtub where they emptied their fishwater into it periodically (they had

some exotic South American fish). Yuck!

So our take has been pretty much enjoy the pets, but avoid their hygiene

rituals.

(mom to , age 6-1/2, dairy intolerant-related GERD -- currently

has polysaccharide antibody def, previously had transient IgG, IgA, t-cell &

other defs... and also to Kate, age 3!, more dairy intolerant but very

healthy!)

[Guest guest]

> , you are living in my old stompin' grounds! Both my husband and I

met at the University of Hardin-Baylor in Belton and are both grads

from there! Central TX was our home for the first 10 years we knew each

other!

I grew up in CT, moved to Tomball in 87, then up here, near Mexia, in 88.

Always swore when I moved down that it was temp, was determined to go work

for a Cutting trainer in FL. Met hubby and here I stay! LOL

Took me nearly 17 years to get diagnosed, was first in county and now,

only 6 years later, there are nearly 2 dozen of us. The ER now actually

knows what to look for, which is rather suprising.

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In einer eMail vom 13.01.2006 03:54:19 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt brambleicedancer2004@...:

>Just a reminder for those who are beginning to stock up. Make sure you>have enough of everything your pets need to survive too. I know it's>not easy stocking up on dogfood (it takes up so much room), but it>wouldn't hurt to get a couple of 100 pound bags and store them away.

don't stock up pet-food for a pandemic. Eat your pet in a severe pandemic !

You can't keep them, when it comes really bad. They are dangerous

carriers, you put yourself and others in danger if you keep pets

in a pandemic.

[Guest guest]

In einer eMail vom 13.01.2006 04:13:23 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt lynn@...:

>I tend to agree with this poster with the exception of possibly keeping an outside >watch dog. They will be very helpful for early warning of garden (or worse) robbers.

there are electronical devices for that. A watch-dog might be shot by

angry and worrysome neighbors. Don't care about the garden in a pandemic -

too dangerous.

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In einer eMail vom 13.01.2006 04:16:54 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt brambleicedancer2004@...:

>If you got a chance to read the artilce that was posted earlier about>governments telling the truth, one of the things that the people were>told in 1918 was that it was their pets that carried the flu. People>were killing their pets left and right. Most pets don't get the same>illnesses that we do. If anything, my pets will protect us in case of>intrusion by others.

I don't think intrusion would be an issue. Too risky to become infected.

I read, cats do get bird-flu, e.g. the tigers from a zoo were already infected.

And dead dogs on the photos from Turkey.

You could be lucky, that the virus doesn't like your pet's immun-system,

but would you bet your life on it ?

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http://www.fluwikie.com/index.php?n=Forum.DeadDogsLitterTheGround

[Guest guest]

I tend to agree with this poster with the

exception of possibly keeping an outside watch dog. They will be very helpful for

early warning of garden (or worse) robbers.

From:

Flu [mailto:Flu ] On Behalf Of sterten@...

Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006

7:03 PM

Flu

Subject: Re: [Flu] Pets

In einer eMail vom 13.01.2006 03:54:19

Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt brambleicedancer2004@...:

>Just a reminder for those who are

beginning to stock up. Make sure you

>have enough of everything your pets need to survive too. I know it's

>not easy stocking up on dogfood (it takes up so much room), but it

>wouldn't hurt to get a couple of 100 pound bags and store them away.

don't stock up pet-food for a

pandemic. Eat your pet in a severe pandemic !

You can't keep them, when it comes really

bad. They are dangerous

carriers, you put yourself and others in

danger if you keep pets

in a pandemic.

[Guest guest]

If you got a chance to read the artilce that was posted earlier about

governments telling the truth, one of the things that the people were

told in 1918 was that it was their pets that carried the flu. People

were killing their pets left and right. Most pets don't get the same

illnesses that we do. If anything, my pets will protect us in case of

intrusion by others.

>

> don't stock up pet-food for a pandemic. Eat your pet in a severe

pandemic !

> You can't keep them, when it comes really bad. They are dangerous

> carriers, you put yourself and others in danger if you keep pets

> in a pandemic.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I tend to agree with this poster with the exception of possibly

keeping an

> outside watch dog. They will be very helpful for early warning of

garden (or

> worse) robbers.

Thanks Lynn.

We have two large indoor labs, both of whom are very vigilent, even

when they are indoors. I have no doubts about their protecting us if

it comes down to it.

[Guest guest]

> I don't think intrusion would be an issue. Too risky to become

infected.

> I read, cats do get bird-flu, e.g. the tigers from a zoo were already

> infected.

> And dead dogs on the photos from Turkey.

> You could be lucky, that the virus doesn't like your pet's

immun-system,

> but would you bet your life on it ?

>

Sterten,

Intrusion could be an issue if you aren't sick, but you've stocked up

on food and supplies and others haven't.

As far as betting my life on my pet getting it, if they get it, then

I've already been exposed and probably have it--brought it home to

them, not the other way around. My pets are a part of my family...I

like them more than I do some people.

[Guest guest]

>

> I was reading your info on pets and allergies. I know from having

four dogs that are all on a raw diet ( " candida for dogs! " - only raw

meat and veggies) that I am not allergic to them, and many people

who meet my dogs and have pet allergies are either not allergic or

the allergic symptoms are not as severe. Cats do extremely well on

raw diets too. I don't vaccinate or do heartworm or that horrible

poison flea control. I treat them completely homeopathically and

naturally, and they rarely go to the vet - only for stitches! The

dogs inspired me to do this diet,since I take better care of them

than I do of myself.

===Kim - it does my heart to hear this - that what we feed our animals

affects us too. I had to give my beloved cats away a year ago because I

found out I was allergic to them (one of the hardest things I've ever had to

do - but I was so very ill at the time). I just assumed the allergy was yet

another symptom of Candidiasis. Since then, the house has been so quiet and

I miss having an animal so. This gives me hope that when I get my immune

system back and running full throttle (and I'm getting' there thanks in

large measure to Bee's diet), I can adopt another friend.

I also agree about the vaccinations - I my dog died a couple of years ago -

and she wasn't in her dotage yet. I always feared the annual vaccinations

and that heartworm stuff the vet gave her were probably doing more harm than

good - but I didn't have the strength to stand up to the system.

But anyway - getting' off topic - as Bee suggested, I think a lot of us

would be interested in what you have to teach us about feeding our pets the

" natural " way, etc.

Cheers - Penny

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[Guest guest]

For those who want to learn more about the raw diet, check out my

breeders website for info. She knows more about it than anyone I know.

Her website is www.lepus.reach.net <http://www.lepus.reach.net> and

she's got lots of information there and links about raw feeding. She

also has a group that she moderates - CNRS - I think there is a

link to that on her site as well. I have 4 of her dogs and they are the

healthiest dogs I've ever seen!

My advice to everyone is do your research and learn as much as you can!

And look online for a holistic vet in your area who supports a raw diet.

It's nice to have someone to support the switch, because some dogs go

through a detox when they are switched, and people get scared at the

first sign of something unpleasant and switch them back to evil kibble..

Kim

[Guest guest]

Hey Cori!

We used to have White's Tree Frogs. They run about $25 a piece and if placed

in the right setting can live upwards of 20 years. They're nocturnal and the

males of the species are the only ones that make noise (and can be VERY loud in

the middle of the night!!). They eat about 5 crickets daily--the medium ones are

the best, but DON'T get the large crickets if the frog isn't going to eat them

the same day. I wouldn't suggest putting any wood or mulch in the bottom of the

tank like the books suggest--our first one got a hole in his foot from the mulch

and it got infected. LOL Trying to explain why he had a band aid with a piece of

rubber glove over it was a little difficult to explain to the kids!!

loved his first one and considering it was the first living thing

he'd ever fully attached to, we loved Hoppy, too!! Unfortunately he died a year

after we got him. We then got 2 more, but never really took to them and

when they died after about a year, he didn't notice until we took the tank out

of his room. We're not exactly sure why they died--well, ok, we know why Hoppy

died, but we're not sure about the other 2. We would leave Hoppy's crickets in

his tank for him to eat whenever he felt like it and when the crickets grew too

big, they began attacking him. He became scared of the crickets and stopped

eating. That's when we started getting the small crickets and he refused them as

well. He wouldn't even eat the meal worms. From then on, if the frogs didn't eat

the crickets within a set period of time after being introduced to the tank,

we'd remove them so we didn't have the same problem with the other 2.

Now we have a dog that attacks every time he goes outside--jumps on

him and knocks him down then stands over him and if he moves, steps on him or

growls at him or tries to bite him. Needless to say, I'm looking for a new home

for the dog, but his dad keeps saying that if we just keep at it, we can train

the dog not to attack . Yeah, right. I'm constantly on the go with the

boys (and didn't want the dog to begin with) and Dad is in and out so much that

he barely spends time with the kids, much less the dog. Fun!!

mother of /8/anxiety, GERD, asthma

/6/AS, anxiety, epilepsy, asthma

Hunter/4/NT, asthma

Dylan/1/NT (so far!)

( ) Pets

OK-here is my situation. We already have 2 dogs, 1 cat, 1 tortoise and

3 huge fish tanks. (6) was in the backyard and found a

caterpillar yesterday. He has one of those little bug containers and

he caught it. Well he LOVED it. He would take it out and it would

climb on it. He was very hands on but gentle with him. We the

caterpillar disappeared. (Somewhere in my house). was

devastated. He really LOVED it and cried and cried. He broke my heart

when he said it was his only friend.

Other than the above mentioned animals does any one have an idea what

other types of pets would be good? He loves my neighbors lizard. He

loves our tortiose BUT I think he wants something of his own that he

takes care and is responsible for. Any ideas would be greatly

appreciated.

Cori

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This makes me miss my kitty (technically my step-cat since he was my dh's!) who

we had to put down a year or so ago.

Laurie

jpfolkert@... wrote:

Dd,18, LOVES her cats, actually any cat. However, she lost one of

her buddies that we had had since she was 3, 3 1/2 yrs ago. This

was about 9 mos after her OCD diagnosis. It was very tough;he

would come from wherever in the house to lay with her if she cried.

He had done that since she was little. Sadly, in Oct., we had to put

down her other buddy, we had had him for about 7 years. We do

have two other cats but they are younger and although they do like

some cuddling, they haven't gotten themselves to the best buddy

rank yet. I also have a dog, but dd can't understand why I have her,

she's an English Setter and in dd's words - " a bony thing! "

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speaking of pets, my colleague and i just recovered a small pup that was being

kicked around by some kids near where we live (in china). we've been taking care

of her for the past two days and she's staying on the roof of our building. not

the best place (not much shelter and boring, nothing up there, but its safe),

but i had her on my balcony last night and its too easy for her to get on the

edge and maybe fall down a floor. plus she wants to come into my flat, but i

think she's got fleas or something and i just cant let her in here. she's thin

and small so we're trying to fatten her up a bit. if we get around to it, maybe

take her to a vet..... dont know about that yet.

there are loads of stray dogs in this city in china, and while i cant keep this

dog (i wont be here much longer) we are just trying to help her and soon we have

to find a permanent place for her (i'd even pay for the dogs food if we found

someone). and if we dont, well after she looks a bit healthier, we'll just let

her go. looks like a small pekingese or something. last year my colleague raised

7 pups on the roof of our apartment. not sure how he came by those but i guess a

pregnant dog just wandered in and had the pups.

like some people there are also lots of animals without homes. its

unfortunate....

take care ~ james

Re: Friends--I need to share this..

I just wanted to say I am so sorry to hear about Sassy. I

understand

the loss of a pet. Currently my dog, Chanci, is missing. I still

can't find her.

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I have some very sad news. I had to take my 2 dogs to the Vet today, one is hypothyroid and one has seizures so they were both on meds and have to have blood work twice a year to keep checks on everything from the meds. Well, Bandit, my Border Collie, was hypothyroid, and when they took one look at him they didn't think he looked well,....he was just at the vet 3 months ago and he's lost about 10 lbs. He was overweight and needed to lose weight, so I thought he was looking great. Then they checked his teeth and he had 2 severely cracked rear molars with infection, exposed nerve, etc..........to make a long story short, I had to send him to Rainbow Bridge. I held him and talked to him the whole time. I am heartbroken. I left the house with two dogs just to get blookwork and I'm sitting here with one. Poor Bandit, he didn't deserve this, he was only 7 years old. Life is so unfair. He was such a good dog, he followed me all over the house, all he ever wanted was to be with me.

TC,

[Guest guest]

I have three on thyroid meds, they take it two times daily and have in cases taken this for years.It is a godsend as the animals thyroid gland is not making enough for the dog. not serious at all The dog must be tested once yearly by blood sample to see if the same levels as the year before still are correct.The blood goes to a lab for this, again a good vet will take part payments, if they did not I would be in trouble!!!!!!!!!!

The vet was not right in putting the one to sleep, vets are well schooled today in canine teeth care, I have one gal that had ten taken out!!!!!! any vet knowing that one is strapped financially will take part payments

I have one old man of 13 years that has senile dementia and is on arthritis meds, I just give the latter when he really needs it,it makes him more duller, he walks into corners and has to be pulled out, he forgets where

he is,perplexing!!! His' woman;as we called her had to be put to sleep at 15 years of age,he actually went through a grieving process and moaned a lot, this lasted three weeks then little by little he pulled out of it

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When I wrote my email I was not elaborating, it was too painful. Bandit has been hypothyroid for about 3 years and on meds. That was not the problem. Bandit also had terrible teeth......he was not a chewer and would never chew on bones, rawhide, nothing. He was like me, I have bad teeth, things like that just happen or it runs in your family (my mother has horrible teeth). Last year, I spent $2,000.00 getting Bandit's teeth worked on, he had 17 pulled, some capped, etc. He had just been to the Vet the end of July for some shots, when I took him Tuesday he had lost 12 lbs......He was 60 the end of July and 48 Tuesday. He was a border collie, but being hypothyroid his fur was not smooth and sleek the way Border Collie fur usually is. His fur was dry, coarse, stuck straight up, so it was difficult for me to see him losing so much weight, he was eating with no problem. They found 2 molars severely cracked........the root was exposed on one of them and they were severely infected. They started asking me questions, like has he been acting confused lately, etc. I answered yes to all the questions. They offered to x-ray, pull the teeth, etc. or if I didn't want to put him through that (again!! after last year), high dose pain meds until he got worse. But it was obvious to them, the infection had reached his brain. There was NOTHING they could do. He was going to die. I have kept dogs alive because of ME before.....I just couldn't part with them and I know they suffered, even tho I tried my best to keep them as comfortable as possible. I am never doing that again. The Vet I go to is VERY high tech. They the the latest of everything (machines, even MRI!!!!) They can do everything there, except they chose to not do chemo. So I trust them completely. They offerred to give me more time with Bandit and to try to make him as comfortable as possible, but I live with my daughter and my grandson (20 months old). They said he could start having bizarre behavior, erratic behavior, etc. because of the brain infection. I couldn't risk that with my grandson and I didn't want Bandit to have to live closed up his last days. I did the right thing for him. He was miserable and apparently had been for a while. I'm still crying and will be I'm sure for a long time; especially when I pick him up next week. I can't write about this anymore, it's just too painful. It's also painful for my last baby, Cowboy......he is so confused.

Take Care,

Re: Pets

I have three on thyroid meds, they take it two times daily and have in cases taken this for years.It is a godsend as the animals thyroid gland is not making enough for the dog. not serious at all The dog must be tested once yearly by blood sample to see if the same levels as the year before still are correct.The blood goes to a lab for this, again a good vet will take part payments, if they did not I would be in trouble!!!!!!!!!!

The vet was not right in putting the one to sleep, vets are well schooled today in canine teeth care, I have one gal that had ten taken out!!!!!! any vet knowing that one is strapped financially will take part payments

I have one old man of 13 years that has senile dementia and is on arthritis meds, I just give the latter when he really needs it,it makes him more duller, he walks into corners and has to be pulled out, he forgets where

he is,perplexing!!! His' woman;as we called her had to be put to sleep at 15 years of age,he actually went through a grieving process and moaned a lot, this lasted three weeks then little by little he pulled out of it

Anne mom to 5 English Springers, used to show them!..

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