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NO they would not interfere

Mandi

Hi,Our son has been prescribed the antibiotic vancomycin for his clostridia overgrowth. It is supposed to be given in 4 doses per day so i'm doing it at meal times + bedtime, but we usually give enzymes before meals - does anybody know if the enzymes would interfere with vancomycin)?thanks in advanceJo

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sorry could you advise where u got the oral vancomycin from

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 13:27:18 -0500Subject: Re: vancomycin + enzymes?

NO they would not interfere

Mandi

Hi,Our son has been prescribed the antibiotic vancomycin for his clostridia overgrowth. It is supposed to be given in 4 doses per day so i'm doing it at meal times + bedtime, but we usually give enzymes before meals - does anybody know if the enzymes would interfere with vancomycin)?thanks in advanceJo

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Jo we did Vanco fairly early on. It put paid to the Clostridia and we kept the

gains. There is research which says children don't keep their developmental

gains, but then again those kids in the research might not have done biomed! I

contacted the researchers, see below. Read on what happened when we did Vanco

and J was three. He was riddled with clostridia and this put paid to it. You

need good probios and perhaps candex straight afterwards. Vanco is a

carpet-bomber. it wipes out everything. I'll go on and tell you what I did

about enzymes in a min...

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In a message dated 8/23/2005 10:56:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

eileen.chiverton@... writes:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I would be very grateful if you could send me the details of the Vancomycin

study. We are treating our son with a one week course of this at the moment,

and I would be most interested to understand the background, i.e.

the research.

Many thanks for your help

Eileen Chiverton

Mother of , 3 yrs, ASD

UK

Dear Eileen:

Copied below is the abstract that was published regarding our vancomycin study.

The full article is available through a medical library.

J Child Neurol. 2000 Jul;15(7):429-35.

Short-term benefit from oral vancomycin treatment of regressive-onset autism.

Sandler RH, Finegold SM, Bolte ER, Buchanan CP, Maxwell AP, Vaisanen ML,

MN, Wexler HM.

Section of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition, Rush Children's Hospital,

Rush Medical College, Chicago, IL 60612, USA. rushstudy@...

In most cases symptoms of autism begin in early infancy. However, a subset of

children appears to develop normally until a clear deterioration is observed.

Many parents of children with " regressive " -onset autism have noted antecedent

antibiotic exposure followed by chronic diarrhea. We speculated that, in a

subgroup of children, disruption of indigenous gut flora might promote

colonization by one or more neurotoxin-producing bacteria, contributing, at

least in part, to their autistic symptomatology. To help test this hypothesis,

11 children with regressive-onset autism were recruited for an intervention

trial using a minimally absorbed oral antibiotic. (Vancomycin). Entry criteria

included antecedent broad-spectrum antimicrobial exposure followed by chronic

persistent diarrhea, deterioration of previously acquired skills, and then

autistic features. Short-term improvement was noted using multiple pre- and

post-therapy evaluations. These included coded, paired videotapes scored by a

clinical psychologist blinded to treatment status; these noted improvement in 8

of 10 children studied.

Unfortunately, these gains had largely waned at follow-up. Although the

protocol used is not suggested as useful therapy, these results indicate that a

possible gut flora-brain connection warrants further investigation, as it might

lead to greater pathophysiologic insight and meaningful prevention or treatment

in a subset of children with autism.

___________________________________________________________________

This research result was different for us. J kept those very early gains. Just

spoke to my husband, we remember J stopped spinning and delayed echolalia really

got less.

We did Enzymes at the same time and it didn't seem to get in the way at all. I

gave the enzymes with meals, left it an hour to digest, then dosed the vanco. I

do that now too. Die off was pretty nasty. Tablets weren't out when we did it,

we used the liquid mixed with water which was for injectables because at that

time that was all that was available. Vanco is one of the gold standard abx for

strep as well, so I really hope it helps for you overall. Just watch out for

the backlash when you finish it, have your probiotics and candex as well if you

do it, perhaps might be an idea. All this just based on my child's reactions.

Some kids are really sensitive to this. Just so you know x

My attitude is, bet you none of those kids in that study ever saw a probiotic!

>

> Hi,

> Our son has been prescribed the antibiotic vancomycin for his clostridia

overgrowth. It is supposed to be given in 4 doses per day so i'm doing it at

meal times + bedtime, but we usually give enzymes before meals - does anybody

know if the enzymes would interfere with vancomycin)?

> thanks in advance

> Jo

>

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I concur with Eileen, vancomycin eliminated clostridia here, so many gains from it including perfectly formed stools in the toilet, YIPPPEEEE!!!!!Take her advice re the probio's. We did a ridiculous amounts but it worked. Be pedantic to avoid regression. Also we had no probs at all with enzymes and we were on vanco here for 10 weeks. x To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:38 PM Subject: vancomycin + enzymes?

Hi,

Our son has been prescribed the antibiotic vancomycin for his clostridia overgrowth. It is supposed to be given in 4 doses per day so i'm doing it at meal times + bedtime, but we usually give enzymes before meals - does anybody know if the enzymes would interfere with vancomycin)?

thanks in advance

Jo

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Fab xxxx

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> I concur with Eileen, vancomycin eliminated clostridia here, so many gains

from it including perfectly formed stools in the toilet, YIPPPEEEE!!!!!

> Take her advice re the probio's. We did a ridiculous amounts but it worked.

Be pedantic to avoid regression. 

> Also we had no probs at all with enzymes and we were on vanco here for 10

weeks.

>  

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> x

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>

> ________________________________

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> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:38 PM

> Subject: vancomycin + enzymes?

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>  

> Hi,

> Our son has been prescribed the antibiotic vancomycin for his clostridia

overgrowth. It is supposed to be given in 4 doses per day so i'm doing it at

meal times + bedtime, but we usually give enzymes before meals - does anybody

know if the enzymes would interfere with vancomycin)?

> thanks in advance

> Jo

>

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