Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 I would presume it is Fe. (ferrum) the element. (it's a while since I did chemistry!!). In other words, in the elixir for example (I have Qualitest brand), 5 mls of elixir contains 220mg of Iron Sulphate, which metabolises down to deliver 44mg of elemental iron or Fe. One Feosol caplet which uses Carbonyl Iron as the delivery compound metabolises to 45 mg of elemental Iron. The Feosol box says 'The 45 mg of elemental iron per Feosol Caplet is the same amount of elemental iron as in 225mg of ferrous sulphate. " RE: iron 45-50mg of elemental Iron usually depending on size - Feosol caplets are good - that is Carbonyl Iron. Also elixirs are available too in the form of Iron Sulphate - if pill swallowing is difficult. He doesn't like supplements with exta iron as they usually don't deliver enough, and have other stuff. ===thread truncated=== Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 > From: Boricua > Can a cancer patient take Iron? Unless I'd conclusively determined I had an IRON deficiency, I would not take supplemental iron. If I determined I had an IRON deficiency AND that it was causing a problem, I would From: " Debbie " <debzanger@...> > eat a lot of green leafy veggies (spinach, radichio, dandelion greens ect..) and seaweed [kelp, dulse] or supplements that are 100% herbal (e.g., Crystal Star, Megafoods, New Chap), as many herbs that happen to contain iron also happen to be cancer-healing (e.g., beet root, dandelion--I would take these herbs even if I didn't have an iron deficiency). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 A couple of months ago I was supposed to have arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn meniscis in my knee. I apprised the surgeon of my medical history & having Hep C. He got all excited over the preliminary blood tests, cancelled the surgery & sent me to a oncology hematologist. After lots of tests (one visit they drew 18 vials of blood, over $2000 in blood work that visit) & a bone biopsy the hematologist decided that all my tests were normal for me & there is no reason why I cannot have knee surgery. He said that while my blood iron was in normal limits the bone marrow was showing close to iron exhaustion. He suggested that I take an iron supplement. I mentioned the problem with iron & HepC & he replied that a 27mg pill would be enough to feed the marrow but not aggravate the liver. CoraLynn ne TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2004 Report Share Posted August 2, 2004 CoraLynn, Thanks. I am confident that I made the right decision with the multi vit for . Maybe it is my imagination....but he seems to be a bit perkier!!! He always took prescribed vits as a young child and a pre-teen which included iron (18mg). Liver enzymes have always been within normal range!!! Margaret --- CoraLynn McKelvy <cmckelvy@...> wrote: --------------------------------- A couple of months ago I was supposed to have arthroscopic surgery to repair a torn meniscis in my knee. I apprised the surgeon of my medical history & having Hep C. He got all excited over the preliminary blood tests, cancelled the surgery & sent me to a oncology hematologist. After lots of tests (one visit they drew 18 vials of blood, over $2000 in blood work that visit) & a bone biopsy the hematologist decided that all my tests were normal for me & there is no reason why I cannot have knee surgery. He said that while my blood iron was in normal limits the bone marrow was showing close to iron exhaustion. He suggested that I take an iron supplement. I mentioned the problem with iron & HepC & he replied that a 27mg pill would be enough to feed the marrow but not aggravate the liver. CoraLynn ne TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Thanks for posting this! My son (my " NT " ) was extremely " colicky " for many weeks and in constant agony as a newborn. We had started supplementing at 3 weeks so I could sleep a little. Suddenly, he became extremely constipated and irritable. Everyone told me it was my milk! I believed them and supplemented even more. Eventually, a nice lady at the mall watching the both of us cry suggested I remove the Iron from his diet (at the time, only in his formula). She said she had the exact same problem with her son. Wouldn't you know that within 48 hours, he was a completely normal, happy baby again. No more constipation or irritation. I then found out that there is no iron in breast milk (or an extremely small amount if any), and that kids actually can't digest it until about age 8. Yet, it's in absolutely every single thing now-a-days for infants! I don't get it. You can't even by formula without it, except one (Similac low iron). I have had all of my kids on it since. I also now wonder what kind of reaction iron and mercury may have, and if that in any way is contributing to the mercury problem. Anyway, thanks for the info! [ ] Iron Inorganic iron, after it has been taken in considerable quantities in the inorganic form, shows in the iris (colored portion of the eye) in the areas corresponding to the stomach and bowels as a rust brown discoloration which closely resembles the color of iron rust. This iris finding has been verified by iridologists all over the world for the past 100 years. Henry Lindlahr, MD stated that he had seen hundreds of cases of iron poisoning in people who consumed iron supplements or spring water that was strongly impregnanted with the mineral. He writes, " A lady came to one of our public clinics for diagnosis from the iris. The area around the pupil corresponding to the region of the stomach and intestines, showed a very heavy iron discoloration. I asked whether or not she had not taken the mineral in some form of drugs or patent medicines, but this she positively denied. Adroit quizzing finally brought out the fact that for several years she had used water from the iron spring in Lincoln Park. After forming this habit, she had suffered much from constipation and indigestion. I explained to her that these ailments were probably the result of the iron poisoning. Following my advice, she adopted a pure food natural diet and began a course of eliminative natural treatment. Within six months the iron sign had disappeared from her eyes and the digestive organs were in normal condition. " (Iridiagnosis, Vol. 1, Henry Lindlahr, MD, 1919, p. 120) ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 In a message dated 8/15/2005 5:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, writes: Re iron, NEVER NEVER take standard iron pills; they are nothing but rust, indigestible, and the tenderness lyme causes in the intestine will guarantee awful pain, bleeding, etc. HELLO, I use the SLOW FE iron pills with no side effects, regular iron pills give me digestive distress but the SLOW FE which disolves slower I imagine, is gentler. c in vt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 I take " gentle iron " along with vitamin C to help absorption. Gentle iron is iron bisglycinate and it's very gentle on my digestive system. It used to be hard to get, but is much more readily available now. I have RLS (restless leg syndrome) and I have to keep my iron up to keep my RLS at bay. If you take iron or minerals (I also take magnesium for RLS and need to figure out how to calcium back into my regimen) be sure to find out whether you can take it with whatever abx you're on. Doxy and the other tetracyclines are interfered with by minerals. My LLMD says it's OK to take minerals within an hour of abx, but I've always heard at least 2-3 hours between abx and minerals. Also, if you take iron and calcium, keep them separate by 4 hours because iron interferes with calcium. I've also read that magnesium interferes with calcium, but that's not generally accepted. Jessie > > In a message dated 8/15/2005 5:14:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, > writes: > > Re iron, NEVER NEVER take standard iron pills; they are nothing but rust, > indigestible, and the tenderness lyme causes in the intestine will guarantee > awful pain, bleeding, etc. > > > HELLO, I use the SLOW FE iron pills with no side effects, regular iron pills > give me digestive distress but the SLOW FE which disolves slower I imagine, > is gentler. c in vt > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Dr. G does recommend iron for many of the kids when they have low ferritin. Cooking twice a week with an iron pan restored the one-time low reading my son had. We had cooked with iron pans regularly until he became very constipated. Since iron can constipate, I stopped cooking with them for about a year and his ferritin level dropped. Within a few weeks of resuming, the level returned to normal. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Most don't give iron as it creates oxidative stress, something our kids already have enough of. Better to give Vitamin C, low dose anytime meat or eggs are eaten to help the uptake of iron. If you have to give synthetic iron, give 8 hours away from any Vitamin E, as it will destroy it. iron Hi Everyone, For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks Candi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Our pharmacy orders the generic for Feosol : Ferrous Sulfate Elixir Iron Supplement by Goldline Laboratories, Inc. 44mg. We give him 1 teaspoon mixed with pure water at night. I hope this helps. iron Hi Everyone, For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks Candi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hi Candi, Our sons are on Feosol Ferrous Sulfate (the green triangle tablet) per Dr. Goldberg. There is a picture of the tablet on the box so you'll know what's inside! Caroline > On 11/10/05 12:28 PM, " Candi DAVIS " <cdavis642@...> wrote: > Hi Everyone, > For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks Candi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Several companies make the Ferrous Sulfate Elixir; pharmacies very often keep some in stock, but they keep it behind the counter, so you have to ask for it. We dilute it also; I found that if I don't dilute it, it stains my son's teeth. Donna > > Our pharmacy orders the generic for Feosol : Ferrous Sulfate Elixir Iron > Supplement by Goldline Laboratories, Inc. 44mg. We give him 1 teaspoon > mixed with pure water at night. > > I hope this helps. > > > iron > > > Hi Everyone, > For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks > Candi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 , Many of our children have low iron stores, so Dr G recommends a supplement. The reason he explained is that often with immune dysfunction related inflammation, especially in the gut, more iron can leave the body through the digestive system than is actually extracted as a replacement from normal foods. My son eats plenty of meat - loves steak and lamb. When we dropped his supplement dose early in treatment, his ferritin levels dropped. They are now stabilizing and we have been able to halve the iron dose and maintain ferritin levels. Additional vitamin C is not recommended by Dr G other than the amount in a regular multivitamin as the additional ascorbic acid can be harmful. Re: iron Most don't give iron as it creates oxidative stress, something our kids already have enough of. Better to give Vitamin C, low dose anytime meat or eggs are eaten to help the uptake of iron. If you have to give synthetic iron, give 8 hours away from any Vitamin E, as it will destroy it. iron Hi Everyone, For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks Candi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 In adition to what posted, Dr G and I had a discussion about my son's ferritin level. It dropped even though he was getting iron and Dr G told me this was an indication for him that my son could be getting dairy. This would cause intestinal inflammation and intestinal microscopic bleeding thus reducing the iron stores. This is how I understood him to explain it to me. > > , > Many of our children have low iron stores, so Dr G recommends a supplement. > The reason he explained is that often with immune dysfunction related > inflammation, especially in the gut, more iron can leave the body through > the digestive system than is actually extracted as a replacement from normal > foods. My son eats plenty of meat - loves steak and lamb. When we dropped > his supplement dose early in treatment, his ferritin levels dropped. They > are now stabilizing and we have been able to halve the iron dose and > maintain ferritin levels. > Additional vitamin C is not recommended by Dr G other than the amount in a > regular multivitamin as the additional ascorbic acid can be harmful. > > > > Re: iron > > Most don't give iron as it creates oxidative stress, something our kids > already have enough of. Better to give Vitamin C, low dose anytime meat or > eggs are eaten to help the uptake of iron. If you have to give synthetic > iron, give 8 hours away from any Vitamin E, as it will destroy it. > > > iron > > > Hi Everyone, > For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks > Candi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Agree .. Re: iron > > Most don't give iron as it creates oxidative stress, something our kids > already have enough of. Better to give Vitamin C, low dose anytime meat or > eggs are eaten to help the uptake of iron. If you have to give synthetic > iron, give 8 hours away from any Vitamin E, as it will destroy it. > > > iron > > > Hi Everyone, > For those of you who give iron. What kind and brand do you use? Thanks > Candi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 In a message dated 11/13/2005 1:28:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, barbkatsaros@... writes: we use Slow Fe Low Release Iron. It has white tablets, and it is 160 mg. dried ferrous sulfate (equivalent to 50 mg. elemental iron). I get it at Walgreens. you wouldn't believe this.. but Slow Fe has milk ingredients. please check the package. Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 we use Slow Fe Low Release Iron. It has white tablets, and it is 160 mg. dried ferrous sulfate (equivalent to 50 mg. elemental iron). I get it at Walgreens. Dr. G had ok'd it when we used it a few years ago. My son's iron went down again a few mths ago, and now he is back on it. --- Glover <sfglover@...> wrote: > Hi Candi, > > Our sons are on Feosol Ferrous Sulfate (the green > triangle tablet) per Dr. > Goldberg. There is a picture of the tablet on the > box so you'll know what's > inside! > > Caroline > > > > On 11/10/05 12:28 PM, " Candi DAVIS " > <cdavis642@...> wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > For those of you who give iron. What kind and > brand do you use? Thanks Candi > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message > lies strictly with > > the original author(s), and is not necessarily > endorsed by or the > > opinion of the Research Institute and/or the > Parent Coalition. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2005 Report Share Posted November 13, 2005 we have tried a few... if there is anything i've learned with supplements it's very much a " You're Mileage Will Vary " type of situation. we've had a lot of success with Iron Mini-Minerals purchased from the World Health Mall. http://worldhealthmall.com/new/autism.html shannon. > > In a message dated 11/13/2005 1:28:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > barbkatsaros@y... writes: > > we use Slow Fe Low Release Iron. It has white > tablets, and it is 160 mg. dried ferrous sulfate > (equivalent to 50 mg. elemental iron). I get it at > Walgreens. > > you wouldn't believe this.. but Slow Fe has milk > ingredients. please check the package. > > Michele > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 I have two theories on the spinach. I do think both kids and I, despite getting enough iron, it does not leave. We are blood defiecient but it is trapped in the liver. Pursuing tests for this too. I have a second theory but can't find the article. Tina sent an article about an antioxidant the body produces when consuming spinach. I think that is part two. I also now believe, besides gender and age, that may very well be why my kids are not facing the same challenges. While on he bad water and aluminum laced formula my daughter ate boatloads of spinach whereas son did not. Also, the calcium in the spinach got more metal out for her. Recipes: Spinach fritters: eggs (2) 12 oz fresh spinach, sea salt, pepper to taste, made up like pancakes and cooked in olive oil. Thanks for thinking of us. You always help me tease these things out. Janice wrote: >Liz, > >I remember you saying how much better your children faired after eating spinach.... something my own son will not touch! Well, out at the lake this weekend, they may have taken away my computer and my telephone but I still had my books! > >In reviewing my well-thumbed copy of " Healing the New Childhood Epidemics: Autism, ADHD, Asthma And Allergies by Bock, MD and Cameron Stauth, let me quote page 248, paragraph 3. Copyright @ 2007 by Kennth Bock, M.D. and Cameron Stauth, Ballantine Books. I thought of you.... > >Dr. Bock writes, " Each of the nutrient deficiencies among autistic children can have its own direct, negative effects. For example, low iron can cause the feelings of lethargy that are often, paradoxically, a symptom of ADHD. Furthermore, each deficiency can have indirect negative effects, by disrupting various metabolic processes. Low iron, for example, can also contribute to relatively higher levels of lead, which can lower IQ and contribute to cognitive dysfunction, and symptoms of ADHD. " > > " Deficiencies, and somteimes excesses-particularly when present in numerous combinations-can create vast cascades of dysfunction in each of the three major systems involved in autism and ADHD: the gastrointestinal system, the immune system, and the nervous system. " > > >So.... if your children were responding well after eating spinach, perhaps they were responding because the iron was helping them to detox the lead from their systems? Possible? I don't know if I would attempt to supplement iron as that can be sketchy but what other foods are high in iron? I am interested in trying to test it out. Liver (yuck)? Anyone out there know any yummy GFCFSF recipes high in iron? > >I'd be curious to try them out! > >Janice > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 my son has been on a multivitamin with iron for a year now. I think he might need to get a better one, the old ped told me to jsut get the kids vitamin from walmart. obviously we have alot of things to address but here is some info on iron in foods (my son has -had? - iron deficiency anemia at age 2): http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/anemia.html ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2007 Report Share Posted August 28, 2007 Most of the kid multi-vitamins they carry at Wal-Mart have aspartame which is incredibly bad for the nervous system. If you are using a children's chewable make sure you are getting an all-natural variety. Kim " Amy W. Osborne " <amesw@...> wrote: my son has been on a multivitamin with iron for a year now. I think he might need to get a better one, the old ped told me to jsut get the kids vitamin from walmart. obviously we have alot of things to address but here is some info on iron in foods (my son has -had? - iron deficiency anemia at age 2): http://www.rochester.edu/uhs/healthtopics/nutrition/anemia.html __________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games. http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 I know nothing about ferrous gluconate but know that iron should not be given unless the person needs it as it's easy to become toxic. S S Iron Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:28 pm (PDT) I searched the files and saw that ferrous sulfate isn't a good thing to give, but I saw nothing on ferrous gluconate. I have a bottle sitting here that my dd can't use. I paid a fortune for it through a compound pharmacy and would like to use it. Does anyone see a problem with it? ------------------------------------------------------------ Graphic Design School Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! http://tagline.excite.com/fc/JkJQPTgMWonh0NTq3L7sfNwtdgGqS70XzjQwEOe73uqpQgQ0TZ3\ 4m0/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Thanks LInda. On Oct 28, 2008, at 8:08 PM, Shepard Salzer wrote: > I know nothing about ferrous gluconate but know that iron should > not be given unless the person needs it as it's easy to become toxic. > S S > > Iron > Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias > Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:28 pm (PDT) > I searched the files and saw that ferrous sulfate isn't a good thing > to give, but I saw nothing on ferrous gluconate. I have a bottle > sitting here that my dd can't use. I paid a fortune for it through a > compound pharmacy and would like to use it. Does anyone see a problem > with it? > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Graphic Design School > Free information on becoming a Graphic Designer. Click Now! > http://tagline.excite.com/fc/ > JkJQPTgMWonh0NTq3L7sfNwtdgGqS70XzjQwEOe73uqpQgQ0TZ34m0/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 > > I searched the files and saw that ferrous sulfate isn't a good thing > to give, This is the form that is not well absorbed and usually constipating. >> but I saw nothing on ferrous gluconate. I have a bottle > sitting here that my dd can't use. I paid a fortune for it through a > compound pharmacy and would like to use it. Does anyone see a problem > with it? Is your child deficient? My son was iron toxic, and so are other autistic kids, so unless your child is deficient, I would not give an iron supp. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I actually was going to take it, but I am not sure that I am actually iron deficient, so I better not. Thanks! On Oct 28, 2008, at 10:24 PM, danasview wrote: > > > > > I searched the files and saw that ferrous sulfate isn't a good thing > > to give, > > This is the form that is not well absorbed and usually constipating. > > >> but I saw nothing on ferrous gluconate. I have a bottle > > sitting here that my dd can't use. I paid a fortune for it through a > > compound pharmacy and would like to use it. Does anyone see a > problem > > with it? > > Is your child deficient? My son was iron toxic, and so are other > autistic kids, so unless your child is deficient, I would not give an > iron supp. > > Dana > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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