Why some people do not react to mold, and others do; metals; reality perception

[Guest guest]

Per Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's research, whether your body can 'clear' the mold

toxins or not depends on your HLA DR genotype. 24% of us are 'mold

succeptable', meaning the toxins accumulate in our bodies (we can't clear

them) causing greater damage.

Debbie H.

[Guest guest]

I think the theory that a person is just seeking attention is a situation that

is rarely the case since it takes an environment in which that person lives that

he/she will GET extra POSITIVE attention for being sick. Unfortunately we don't

live in such a compassionate world that people give positive reinforcement to

people who are ill. However it is possible that a person is raised in an

environment that he/she gets alot of attention for something like that and so

keeps it up, but this wouldn't just suddenly appear in the middle of a person's

life. I'm very independent person and usually doing for others. All of a

sudden for me to want people to wait on me, would be a complete change in

personality half way through my life.

I think malingering is much less popular than doctors and others want to

believe. Usually people who become ill lose friends when they can't go and do

the fun things they used to do. That is the norm, not more and positive

attention.

>

> This one is disgusting, but some like to subscribe to it: The sick person is

just seeking attention and wants an excuse to not have to work, and feels loved

by having others support him.

[Guest guest]

Here's a few other thoughts Mr. Researcher, first, do you understand the bodies

ability to deal with toxins, it's really pretty amaseing given what all it deals

with. keep in mind the word " OVERLOAD "

thats a important word, really it is. " CHRONIC OVERLOAD " this well do some major

damage really fast in a large dose situation.

theres a hudge difference between chronic exposures based on the dose, a very

small chronic low dose may do little or no noticeable damage,our bodies deal

with it.

we all live in a toxic world, theres many here that were not sickly before their

exposures.

let's say you are a marathon runner, do all the right things,woop's

humm, maybe running in high traffic pollution areas is not such a great thing to

do. all that deep breathing, all that pollution going in and out your lungs. yet

to look at you some would agree that you are just a really healthy person, are

you? are you immune to toxic mold and other toxins in a WDB? because you look

like your healthy?

If you have toxic mold intolerance now, I bet you dont react to it unless it is

in your face, so to say.

say toxic mold is in your dumpster about fifty feet from your front door, you

dont get a reaction to it unless it's blowing to your front door and your

standing at your front door. if it's blowing under the door and into your space

it's going to make you fell bad even if your inside. so, on days when it's

moldy air outside,you stay in and on nice clean air days you open the windows

for awhile and air out the house.

houses are all sizes and shapes, some little and insulated some big and not

insulated, and all kinds inbetween.

now think for a little bet of all the possable reasons that one may get sicker

in a home than another.

one may be home more,like mom, children maybe more than dad, one cleans more,

one stirs up toxic dust more, one sleeps closier to a certain wall thats more

full of toxic mold than someone else who sleeps in another room with much less

toxic mold growing in the walls. ect. clean air/toxic mold ratio. dose

now, why is it that everyone fells better when they leave their toxic moldy home

and worse when they return?

what is so hard to see about how some may get sick and others not.

regardless, of all other factors and even genetic ones, it's the dose, and it's

the chronic exposure, the more chronic and the higher the dose the faster it's

going to get to you in a bad way.

the higher the dose the less chronic time it takes.

lets say it's a low-moderate dose situation, enough to keep you pretty miserable

while your there but get good relief when your gone,but at the same time you may

have certain organs affected depending of types of toxic molds your being

exposed to and depending on more or less moisture,maybe more or less VOC's,ect.

so many senario's possable and possable in every room of the house.

you may recover pretty well after you get out and stay out.

why? because you haven't got the dose yet that your body cant deal with, that

dose that overload your mucus system,liver,kidneys,ect.

the dose that does some major damage to organs that you dont recover from by

just getting out of the home .

there is a hudge difference in the dose your body is still able to somehow deal

with and the dose that it doesn't deal with.

lets say the heavy dose that most bodies cant deal with is in the basement where

the laundry room is, chances are the one that does the laundry is going to get

more harmed by those repeated exposures of very high doses than someone sleeping

in a bedroom at a much lower dose that their body is dealing with, even though

they well have some symptoms too.

I know this for a fact, I lived in 2 toxic mold homes, the first at a dose that

was causeing some pretty miserable symptoms

and no dought certain organs suffered,but gee, even when going to some

doctors,early on, the symptoms would stop on the way there. 6 years, no fun at

all, but even through out those six years, like when I would spend most of my

time at my boyfriends house I could get to felling alot better.

truth is I was probably was just putting up with his dumbazz so long because I

was avoiding my home that was makeing me sick but I didn't know it. har,har,

love is: staying with someone you love/hate because your house has toxic

mold,and you dont know it.

no2. house was a whole 2 and 1/2 months of liveing there and years of zombie

land afterwards, guess which home caused my overload. hint, green pee, multi

colored globs of mucus lineing passed in stool. brain swelling, ect. 2 and 1/2

months, windows open except for the last week-2weeks. less than 2 weeks of major

overload.

I can look back at it all and have a very good guess of how I would have faired

from the first house,if that was it, and even from the second home with the

windows still open vs. when I closed the windows and ran the ac. those last few

weeks.

still would have been pretty sick but not as sick.

1/1/2 to 2 weeks. and I was spending alot of time outside even than,

even when I didn't know if I was comeing or going my body kept leading me

outside. but I was liveing,eating and sleeping(couldn't stay awake if I was

inside very long) in a high contaminated WDB.

it was HIGH DOSE and it caused total body,multi-organ damage.

I realize not to many have dealt with 2 exposures,that close together

and in 2 different situations so different that I can say one was

wetting/drying,uninsulated,airy,toxic mold dust situation while the other was a

constant high moisture,much mold,VOC,DAMPNESS,insulated, situation. both were

bad in their own way. but the 2nd caused total body ,multi-organ

damage/overload.

I am one tough lady, and I used to run heavy equipment and work hardier than

most of the men I worked with,and I had dentest tell me my teeth were like cows

teeth and theyed last my lifetime and than some. not after toxic mold exposure!

my eye's went from perfect vision to just haveing a small problem focusing and

thinking I was getting to where I needed glasses to seeing double+ and obvious

blurred vision after the second house, after those intrudeing black spots

finally went mellowed out. and cataracts all of a sudden.

THIS AINT ABOUT WEEK,SICKLY PEOPLE GETTING SICKER!

IT'S ABOUT CHRONIC HIGH DOSE TOXIN EXPOSURE AND " NOBODY " IS IMMUNE TO THAT!

while some may have better detoxing abilities, their still not immune, the right

high dose could bring them down just like the rest of us. and from everything

I've read, the genetic's probably play more of a role in lower dose exposures

and at high dose exposures,very little if any.

tell that guy that died from getting one hudge dose of toxic mold into his lungs

from fluffing up his compost pile that he died because he wasn't healthy in the

first place. tell him it was because of his genetics. really, he died because of

a overload of toxic mold!

in other words,

I could be a strong as a " horse " and toxic mold could still be my death. ate any

moldy hay lately? now if you do eat moldy hay, dont breath while doing so

because than you would be inhaleing it too.

but we are not supposed to know that what you eat,you breath and what you

breath,you eat.

ps, I've done alot of research too, really.

>

> Why is it that in some situations, many family members do not have any visible

reactions to mold, while only 1 person is affected?

>

> I do not know for certain but can propose a few hypothesis:

>

> The 1 sick person has a very burdened and weakened immune system, and any

little extra burden is like the straw breaking the camel's back.

>

> The 1 sick person has a high sense of purpose, and his body is in tune and

wants to keep itself in a high-functioning, pure, clean state so as to be a

better vessal to serve this high purpose.

>

> This one is disgusting, but some like to subscribe to it: The sick person is

just seeking attention and wants an excuse to not have to work, and feels loved

by having others support him.

>

> Some people are effected in different ways, and do not notice it. I know

someone who gets irrationally angry and raises his voice when the mold problem

is bad.

>

>

> Here's another question: How far can mold-illness effect a person's mind?

>

> I knew one chemically sensitive lady who did not seem to have a firm grasp on

reality. She even recalled events completely out of place. Did all the

chemical intoxication and suffering eventually get to making her mental

perception sick as too?

>

> I know of another man who was perfectly nice, kind, happy, and normal, before

he played with mercury. After that he was a tyrant monster who badly mistreated

his family. Did the mercury effect his mind, and emotions? Probably.

>

> Perhaps environmental toxins are effecting all of us, to one degree or

another, or, perhaps most of us have a strong enough immune system to be able to

protect the blood-brain barrier and guard against it. I'm not saying our values

and morals are determined by uncontrolled variables, but I suspect that heavy

metals and toxins can have a influence.

>

> I've noticed that the women I've lived with who smoked cigarettes had the same

horrible nervous, anxious, paranoid, sense to them. It was awful to live near

them, and I am not saying that cigarettes caused it right out, but it's a fact

that smokers have more toxins in them, have a weakened lung-elimination pathway,

and are much more likely to get cancer.

>

> But I have to wonder just how related heavy-metal toxicity is to

mold-sensitivity. I know that I personally have both heavy-metal and

mold-related issues. I've had them all my life. I've never done drugs, smoked,

or evan drank alcohal w/ 1 small exception of a swig of beer. My issues were

inherited through the placental barrier & the milk.

>

> Anyone have any experience with regard to the issues raised?

>

[Guest guest]

Very well said Barb. That is so true. So so true.

 

    

   

 Freedom is the emancipation from the arbitrary rule of other men :Mortimer

Adler

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From: barb b w <barb1283@...>

Sent: Thu, June 17, 2010 7:55:31 PM

Subject: [] Re: Why some people do not react to mold, and others

do; metals; reality perception

 

I think the theory that a person is just seeking attention is a situation that

is rarely the case since it takes an environment in which that person lives that

he/she will GET extra POSITIVE attention for being sick. Unfortunately we don't

live in such a compassionate world that people give positive reinforcement to

people who are ill. However it is possible that a person is raised in an

environment that he/she gets alot of attention for something like that and so

keeps it up, but this wouldn't just suddenly appear in the middle of a person's

life. I'm very independent person and usually doing for others. All of a sudden

for me to want people to wait on me, would be a complete change in personality

half way through my life.

I think malingering is much less popular than doctors and others want to

believe. Usually people who become ill lose friends when they can't go and do

the fun things they used to do. That is the norm, not more and positive

attention.

>

> This one is disgusting, but some like to subscribe to it: The sick person is

just seeking attention and wants an excuse to not have to work, and feels loved

by having others support him.

[Guest guest]

we still do clear them, maybe not as fast but we do, otherwise, they would not

be able to test for them in our urine.

>

> Per Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's research, whether your body can 'clear' the mold

> toxins or not depends on your HLA DR genotype. 24% of us are 'mold

> succeptable', meaning the toxins accumulate in our bodies (we can't clear

> them) causing greater damage.

> Debbie H.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

From: research1844 <research1844@...>

I've noticed that the women I've lived with who smoked cigarettes had the same

horrible nervous, anxious, paranoid, sense to them. It was awful to live near

them, and I am not saying that cigarettes caused it right out, but it's a fact

that smokers have more toxins in them, have a weakened lung-elimination pathway,

and are much more likely to get cancer.

(let me get this straight, she had all these symptoms because she smoke and you

lived with her and had none of these symptoms?)