Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Just because we are LPs does not mean we will become dependent on alcohol. You are addicted to cafeine, therefore you obviously relie on it. Am I right? I've only now found this out,what you're saying Bill. Just because you relie on something, does not mean you will be dependent on it. Meaning, are you dependent on cafeine? Probably not, so why are you saying this. You are a regular sized person, so you could not know personally- physically and mentally- what it's like to be an LP. Unless you know, you shouldn't be saying stuff that will piss a lot of people off. I am the only LP in my family for a few generations, and yet, the man who created me-the man who's blood runds through my veins- is a drug addict. Does that mean, when I get older I will become dependent on drugs? I'm only 17 and yet I even know the consequences, because I saw them when I was 12 years old!! I know not to go near drugs, yet they come near me because of friends no longer friends would experiment and want me to. Again, just because we are LPs does not mean we will and everyone who is an LP will become dependent on drugs/alcohol. By the way, I get depressed, but I handle it not by drugs but by thinking of my nieces who I adore and my parents- mom and stepdad who is my dad in everyway but 1. Learn to get your facts straight before you start spouting off stuff that is not even half true. Why? Because it's LYING!! And Karin is right. Abbey tslug@... wrote: Don't you just love statistics? The best class I ever took in college was statistical analysis. The prof loved to expose flawed, yet publicly accepted, statistical data. One example was the quote that one fourth (25%) of all college women report having been raped. Under further analysis, the quoter (it was some famous feminist) broadly defined rape to include innappropriate touching, and feelings of regret after having sex (even though it was consensual). Hell, by that definition, many guys have been raped. This current stat, 25% of all LPs have chemical dependency problems, strikes me as one of those spurious numbers that needs to be examined. Does this include prescription pain medicine? What about OTC pain medicine? What about other types of meds, such as insulin? Insulin is a chemical that many people depend on. Does it include questions such as " have you ever used alcohol while depressed? " What about caffiene, sugar? Both chemicals (of which I'm personally addicted to). My gut feeling is that LPs are probably more likely than an AP to become addicted to drugs or alcohol, and to suffer from depression. But not drastically so. -Bill -------------- Original message -------------- ---I'm still curious as to how you arrived at the statistics you posted previously - " Approximately 25% of dwarfs have a chemical dependency problem. " Someone else asked how many dwarfs had participated in this study and I haven't seen a response. On this you may reply to the whole list, I suspect I'm not the only one who is curious. === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2004 Report Share Posted October 14, 2004 Whoa! Hold on there. I think we have some confusion. There are TWO Bills involved in this thread: me, a LITTLE PERSON (who is dependent on caffeine and quite familiar with the mental and physical challenges of being a little person), and Counselor Bill, an average-sized person (who made the original post about 25% of LPs being chemically dependent). Please don't put me in the crosshairs when firing your shots at the other guy. ;-) Thank-you. Bill Bradford (3'9 " , 40-years old, opinionated old curmudgeon) -------------- Original message -------------- Just because we are LPs does not mean we will become dependent on alcohol. You are addicted to cafeine, therefore you obviously relie on it. Am I right? I've only now found this out,what you're saying Bill. Just because you relie on something, does not mean you will be dependent on it. Meaning, are you dependent on cafeine? Probably not, so why are you saying this. You are a regular sized person, so you could not know personally- physically and mentally- what it's like to be an LP. Unless you know, you shouldn't be saying stuff that will piss a lot of people off. I am the only LP in my family for a few generations, and yet, the man who created me-the man who's blood runds through my veins- is a drug addict. Does that mean, when I get older I will become dependent on drugs? I'm only 17 and yet I even know the consequences, because I saw them when I was 12 years old!! I know not to go near drugs, yet they come near me because of friends no longer friends would experiment and want me to. Again, just because we are LPs does not mean we will and everyone who is an LP will become dependent on drugs/alcohol. By the way, I get depressed, but I handle it not by drugs but by thinking of my nieces who I adore and my parents- mom and stepdad who is my dad in everyway but 1. Learn to get your facts straight before you start spouting off stuff that is not even half true. Why? Because it's LYING!! And Karin is right. Abbey tslug@... wrote: Don't you just love statistics? The best class I ever took in college was statistical analysis. The prof loved to expose flawed, yet publicly accepted, statistical data. One example was the quote that one fourth (25%) of all college women report having been raped. Under further analysis, the quoter (it was some famous feminist) broadly defined rape to include innappropriate touching, and feelings of regret after having sex (even though it was consensual). Hell, by that definition, many guys have been raped. This current stat, 25% of all LPs have chemical dependency problems, strikes me as one of those spurious numbers that needs to be examined. Does this include prescription pain medicine? What about OTC pain medicine? What about other types of meds, such as insulin? Insulin is a chemical that many people depend on. Does it include questions such as " have you ever used alcohol while depressed? " What about caffiene, sugar? Both chemicals (of which I'm personally addicted to). My gut feeling is that LPs are probably more likely than an AP to become addicted to drugs or alcohol, and to suffer from depression. But not drastically so. -Bill -------------- Original message -------------- ---I'm still curious as to how you arrived at the statistics you posted previously - " Approximately 25% of dwarfs have a chemical dependency problem. " Someone else asked how many dwarfs had participated in this study and I haven't seen a response. On this you may reply to the whole list, I suspect I'm not the only one who is curious. === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 > Please don't put me in the crosshairs when firing your shots at the other guy. ;-) Promise to cut off the previous 5 emails in your replies & I'll get you out of my crosshairs! :-) Love ya, mean it -- Rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Rose, Get broadband. ;-) Actually, as a technical writer, I purposely keep the threaded emails attached because in my business, when tracking down a problem or performing a bug fix, it is nice to have the history of the problem right there instead of searching through archived emails. In any case it shouldn't be a problem because my replies are on top of the thread and not buried at the end (unless your modem is so ancient it can't hand a 24k file). In any case, I'm not changing how I do things so feel free to delete any emails from me. ;-) -Bill -------------- Original message -------------- > Please don't put me in the crosshairs when firing your shots at the other guy. ;-) Promise to cut off the previous 5 emails in your replies & I'll get you out of my crosshairs! :-) Love ya, mean it -- Rose === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Nah, there's no reason to delete your stuff. Besides, I read everything off the web and don't have to deal with emails. I was just being ornery which I believe is first cousin to curmudgeon. But when you explain it as you do, it makes perfect sense. Thanks! So, do I still have to publicly declare my love for you? Or should I leave that to ? Rose > Rose, > Get broadband. ;-) > > Actually, as a technical writer, I purposely keep the threaded emails attached because in my business, when tracking down a problem or performing a bug fix, it is nice to have the history of the problem right there instead of searching through archived emails. > > In any case it shouldn't be a problem because my replies are on top of the thread and not buried at the end (unless your modem is so ancient it can't hand a 24k file). > > In any case, I'm not changing how I do things so feel free to delete any emails from me. ;-) > > -Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2004 Report Share Posted October 15, 2004 Rose, I will take all the " love " I can get. ;-) -Bill -------------- Original message -------------- Nah, there's no reason to delete your stuff. Besides, I read everything off the web and don't have to deal with emails. I was just being ornery which I believe is first cousin to curmudgeon. But when you explain it as you do, it makes perfect sense. Thanks! So, do I still have to publicly declare my love for you? Or should I leave that to ? Rose > Rose, > Get broadband. ;-) > > Actually, as a technical writer, I purposely keep the threaded emails attached because in my business, when tracking down a problem or performing a bug fix, it is nice to have the history of the problem right there instead of searching through archived emails. > > In any case it shouldn't be a problem because my replies are on top of the thread and not buried at the end (unless your modem is so ancient it can't hand a 24k file). > > In any case, I'm not changing how I do things so feel free to delete any emails from me. ;-) > > -Bill === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 I apologize for that. I meant this for the couselor Bill. With his topic, it got me fired up, it almost felt as though he had something against us based on statistics that may/may not be true. Abbey 17 yr old opinionated kniestion tslug@... wrote: Whoa! Hold on there. I think we have some confusion. There are TWO Bills involved in this thread: me, a LITTLE PERSON (who is dependent on caffeine and quite familiar with the mental and physical challenges of being a little person), and Counselor Bill, an average-sized person (who made the original post about 25% of LPs being chemically dependent). Please don't put me in the crosshairs when firing your shots at the other guy. ;-) Thank-you. Bill Bradford (3'9 " , 40-years old, opinionated old curmudgeon) -------------- Original message -------------- Just because we are LPs does not mean we will become dependent on alcohol. You are addicted to cafeine, therefore you obviously relie on it. Am I right? I've only now found this out,what you're saying Bill. Just because you relie on something, does not mean you will be dependent on it. Meaning, are you dependent on cafeine? Probably not, so why are you saying this. You are a regular sized person, so you could not know personally- physically and mentally- what it's like to be an LP. Unless you know, you shouldn't be saying stuff that will piss a lot of people off. I am the only LP in my family for a few generations, and yet, the man who created me-the man who's blood runds through my veins- is a drug addict. Does that mean, when I get older I will become dependent on drugs? I'm only 17 and yet I even know the consequences, because I saw them when I was 12 years old!! I know not to go near drugs, yet they come near me because of friends no longer friends would experiment and want me to. Again, just because we are LPs does not mean we will and everyone who is an LP will become dependent on drugs/alcohol. By the way, I get depressed, but I handle it not by drugs but by thinking of my nieces who I adore and my parents- mom and stepdad who is my dad in everyway but 1. Learn to get your facts straight before you start spouting off stuff that is not even half true. Why? Because it's LYING!! And Karin is right. Abbey tslug@... wrote: Don't you just love statistics? The best class I ever took in college was statistical analysis. The prof loved to expose flawed, yet publicly accepted, statistical data. One example was the quote that one fourth (25%) of all college women report having been raped. Under further analysis, the quoter (it was some famous feminist) broadly defined rape to include innappropriate touching, and feelings of regret after having sex (even though it was consensual). Hell, by that definition, many guys have been raped. This current stat, 25% of all LPs have chemical dependency problems, strikes me as one of those spurious numbers that needs to be examined. Does this include prescription pain medicine? What about OTC pain medicine? What about other types of meds, such as insulin? Insulin is a chemical that many people depend on. Does it include questions such as " have you ever used alcohol while depressed? " What about caffiene, sugar? Both chemicals (of which I'm personally addicted to). My gut feeling is that LPs are probably more likely than an AP to become addicted to drugs or alcohol, and to suffer from depression. But not drastically so. -Bill -------------- Original message -------------- ---I'm still curious as to how you arrived at the statistics you posted previously - " Approximately 25% of dwarfs have a chemical dependency problem. " Someone else asked how many dwarfs had participated in this study and I haven't seen a response. On this you may reply to the whole list, I suspect I'm not the only one who is curious. === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Hey Bill, Love love love love love love love love love love! There! is that enough love for you? I hope you can figure out what to do with all that love. *grin* Sabrena Re: Re: apology > > Rose, > I will take all the " love " I can get. ;-) > > -Bill > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 Woo-hoo! I got love coming out of my ears. (I sure hope your partner doesn't get jealous, ). -Bill --------- Re: Re: apology > > Rose, > I will take all the " love " I can get. ;-) > > -Bill > === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Naw, He is not the jealous type. he actually thought it was cute. Hahahahaha! Sabrena Re: Re: apology > > >> >> Rose, >> I will take all the " love " I can get. ;-) >> >> -Bill >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 i need help all 4/2 602-954-6753 chrilong@... lpa phxss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 My sincere apologies that the well presented HTML email sent to me did not arrive here in a readable way. All the graphics disappeared and some formatting. Sincere apologies _________________________________________ Randle _________________________________________ Lipid Feature Series eMedicine's Lipid Feature Series delivers the latest lipid information. Series 1, Issue 5 Romesh Khardori, MB, MD, PhD Professor-Director Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism & Molecular Medicine Southern Illinois University School of Medicine Springfield, Ill Amy Olson, RD,CDE Instructor Division of Endocrinology, Metabolism & Molecular Medicine Southern Illinois University School of Medicine Springfield, Ill Visit eMedicine's Lipid Resource Center! Pri-Med West Anaheim, CA March 31-April 2, 2005 American College of Physicians Annual Session San Francisco, CA April 14-16, 2005 . Implications of Recent Clinical Trials for the National Cholesterol Education Program Adult Treatment Panel III Guidelines . Screening for metabolic syndrome in adults . Third Report of the National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) Expert Panel on Detection, Evaluation, and Treatment of High Blood Cholesterol in Adults (Adult Treatment Panel III) Dysbetalipoproteinemia Hypercholesterolemia, Familial Hypercholesterolemia, Polygenic METABOLIC SYNDROME AND CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASEE Background Clustering of cardiovascular risk factors has been recognized for decades. In 1923, Kylin drew attention to clustering of hypertension, hyperglycemia, and gout. In the 1960s, the phenomenon became widely known in medical circles, and Gerald Reaven reintroduced the concept of syndrome X in 1988. Over the years, the condition has come to be known by a variety of terms, including Reaven syndrome, plurimetabolic syndrome, dysmetabolic syndrome, the deadly quartet, insulin resistance syndrome, 4H syndrome, and cardiometabolic syndrome. In 1998, the World Health Organization (WHO) proposed to call the condition metabolic syndrome rather than insulin resistance syndrome, since insulin resistance alone could probably not be the sole explanation for all components of the syndrome (Alberti, 1998). In 2001, the National Cholesterol Education Program Adult Treatment Panel III (NCEP/ATP III) report identified metabolic syndrome as a risk factor for cardiovascular disease (CVD). Metabolic syndrome is a cluster of the following conditions: abdominal obesity, atherogenic dyslipidemia, hypertension, insulin resistance plus glucose intolerance, and a prothrombotic and proinflammatory state. The currently accepted definitions of metabolic syndrome, provided by the NCEP/ATP III and the WHO, are listed in the table below. National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP) Adult Treatment Panel (ATP III) and World Health Organization (WHO) Definitions of Metabolic Syndrome NCEP/ATP III Definition1 WHO Definition2 Three or more of the following: Diabetes, IGT, IFG, or insulin resistance, plus 2 or more of the following: Waist circumference 102 cm (>40 in) in men 88 cm (>35 in) in women BMI >30 kg/m2 and/or WHR >0.9 in men >0.85 in women Triglycerides ³ 150 mg/dL Triglycerides ³150 mg/dL and/or HDL-C <35 mg/dL in men <39 mg/dL in women HDL-C <40 mg/dL in men <50 mg/dL in women Blood pressure ³130/85 mm Hg Blood pressure ³140/90 mm Hg FPG ³100 mg/dL Microalbuminuria UAE ³20 mg/min or albumin: creatinine ³30 mg/g -------------------------------------------------------------- BMI = body mass index, FPG = fasting plasma glucose, HDL-C = high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, IFG = impaired fasting glucose, IGT = impaired glucose tolerance, UAE = urinary albumin excretion, WHR = waist-to-hip ratio 1. Grundy SM, Hansen B, SC, et al: Arterioscler Thromb Vasc Biol 2004; 24: 19e. 2. Alberti KG, Zimmet P: Diabet Med 1999; 15: 539. -------------------------------------------------------------- Epidemiology Data from the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) using the NCEP/ATP III definition revealed a prevalence of 23.9% in participants older than age 20 years. The prevalence increased to greater than 40% in those older than age 60 years. Prevalence is also related to sex and ethnic background. Given that approximately 201 million Americans were older than age 20 years in 2000, and using the prevalence estimates of metabolic syndrome based on modification of glucose threshold, an estimated 50 million people in 1990 and 64 million in 2000 had metabolic syndrome (Ford, 2004). Etiology of metabolic syndrome The etiology(ies) of metabolic syndrome is not well understood, though it clearly involves many traits (eg, obesity/visceral adiposity, atherogenic dyslipidemia, dysglycemia/insulin resistance, hypertension). Whether the risk conferred is a sum of individual component-related risks or involves a totally different risk burden remains conjectural, although the presence of several coexistent risk factors obviously magnifies the threat. Clustering analysis seems to indicate that these traits occur simultaneously more frequently than could be explained by chance alone. a.. Obesity and atherogenic dyslipidemia can explain much of the morbidity associated with metabolic syndrome. Both are associated with insulin resistance in a bidirectional cause-and-effect relationship. Factor analysis indicates that hypertension constitutes a separate factor independent of insulin resistance (Meigs, 1997; Hanley, 2002). b.. Adipokines have been linked to obesity-associated hypertension (Engeli, 2002). c.. A clustering of metabolic defects caused by a mutation in mitochondrial tRNA was recently reported in a kindred with hypomagnesemia associated with hypertension and hypercholesterolemia (, 2004). d.. Interestingly, according to 2 reports, a relatively reduced risk of diabetes and myocardial infarction exists when alanine is substituted for proline at codon 12 in the peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-gamma-2 gene (PPARG2) (Altshuler, 2000; Ridker, 2003). e.. Psychological stress and attendant hormonal changes, such as hypotestosteronemia, have been implicated (Laaksonen, 2003). f.. Polymorphisms in the beta2-adrenergic receptor gene have also been implicated in the pathogenesis of cardiovascular and metabolic phenotypes (Zee et al, 2004). Cardiovascular disease risk and metabolic syndrome The NCEP/ATP III panel identified metabolic syndrome as a multicomponent risk factor for CVD. The following recent studies confirm an increased risk for atherosclerotic CVD and type 2 diabetes mellitus: a.. The Kuopio Ischemic Heart Disease Risk Factor Study (Lakka, 2002) b.. The Second National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (Malik, 2004) c.. The San Heart and Framingham Offspring Studies (Meigs, 2003) d.. The Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (Ninomiya, 2004) e.. The Botnia Study (Isomaa, 2001) f.. The Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities Study (McNeill, 2004) g.. The West of Scotland Coronary Prevention Study (Sattar, 2003) h.. National Cholesterol Education Program (NCEP)/the San Heart Study (Hunt, 2004) At least 3 studies cast doubt on an absolute relationship between CVD risk and metabolic syndrome: the Casale Monferrato Study (Bruno, 2004), the Strong Heart Study (Resnick, 2003), and the Atherosclerosis Risk in Communities (ARIC) Study (McNeill, 2005). These studies were unable to show a relationship that could not be explained either by the individual components or the Framingham Risk Score. Cardiorespiratory fitness has been reported to have a major impact, largely explaining the all-cause and CVD mortality rates in metabolic syndrome and obesity (Katzmarzyk, 2005). Interestingly, cardiovascular risk factors emerge after artificial selection for low aerobic capacity. The decrease in aerobic capacity was associated with a decrease in the amounts of transcription factors required for mitochondrial biogenesis and the amounts of oxidative enzymes in the skeletal muscle (Wisloff, 2005). Treatment of metabolic syndrome No algorithms currently exist for treatment of metabolic syndrome. Current recommendations and guidelines emphasize treating individual abnormalities and stressing weight reduction in individuals who are overweight or obese (Hill, 2003; Sattar, 2003). In 2003, Zimmet, Shaw, and Alberti provided a realistic perspective on preventing diabetes and dysmetabolic syndrome, and Wong et al examined the potential effects of optimizing lipid (LDL, HDL) and blood pressure control and demonstrated a likelihood of preventing coronary events by 46.2% in men and 38.1% in women with metabolic syndrome. Currently available lipid-lowering statins appear to be very effective (Deedwania, 2004). The targets should probably be no less than those recommended for patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors and angiotensin receptor blockers should be used as first-line antihypertensive agents, and daily aspirin should be recommended unless clear contraindications exist. Diet and exercise remain the main cornerstones of treatment, along with smoking cessation. Although thiazolidinediones (insulin sensitizers) appear to be a logical and practical choice, no data on cardiovascular outcomes are currently available. 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 > My apology to any one who was invited to join Ringo. I did not know the extent of the intrusion when I sent it out. I have unsubscribed to them and hope I did not cause any inconvenience to any of you. > > Sharon Sharon im not quite understanding what you u mean by this annita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Ring read my address biik and sent an invitation out to every one on it. I belong to several groups, some of whom do not appreciate the invitation. Ringo asks for phone numbers, etc and not every one took it kindly. I have had to apologize to the list owners and moderators as well as group members for my vraft groups and it caused an inconvenience for many others. I unsubscribed myself, and you all can do so as well, if you want. I just don't want to be involved in something as intrusive as that. SHaron [ ] Re: apology > My apology to any one who was invited to join Ringo. I did not know the extent of the intrusion when I sent it out. I have unsubscribed to them and hope I did not cause any inconvenience to any of you.> > SharonSharon im not quite understanding what you u mean by this annita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 It is nice that you wrote the apology to Sassylouyou. It is sometimes so frustrating thou to keep getting these surgeries. The pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we lash out. Usually at the first person that adds that last straw even if it is just a tiny straw. We don't mean to get upset but sometimes all this just gets to you. You didn't mean to take it out on Sassylouyou.. We all go thru that frustration and understand. Salem cpsaunders2004 <cpsaunders2004@...> wrote: SassyLouYouI cut my walk short to return to apologise for the last paragraph in my last post. That was spiteful, hurtful, immature, childish, mean - you name it, I deserve it. Please accept my apologies for that manner of venting my frustration.Chris__________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 " The pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we lash out. " Salem, it doesn't sound to me as if cpsaunders is having " horrific pain or loss of freedom " . As a matter of fact, she was reporting on a long walk WITHOUT pain or cane. Furthermore, I don't think she owed anyone an apology. The passage that she apparently felt obliged to apologize for did not appear to me to be insulting or disrespectful or a " lashing out " . At worst she sounded a bit irritated. If you follow posts here, you may note that there are frequent posters who are rather glib, long-winded, and sometimes write without careful consideration (or editing) and it is possible to become irritated at their posts. > > It is nice that you wrote the apology to Sassylouyou. It is sometimes so frustrating thou to keep getting these surgeries. The pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we lash out. Usually at the first person that adds that last straw even if it is just a tiny straw. We don't mean to get upset but sometimes all this just gets to you. You didn't mean to take it out on Sassylouyou.. We all go thru that frustration and understand. Salem > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 You are right - I am not in horrific pain and thatmade it even worse that I wrote what I did. You are also right in that it was not disrespectful or lashing out, just rather childish venting. By the way, C.P.Saunders is a he - . Thanks for the response. Chris > > > > It is nice that you wrote the apology to Sassylouyou. It is > sometimes so frustrating thou to keep getting these surgeries. The > pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and > normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we > lash out. Usually at the first person that adds that last straw even > if it is just a tiny straw. We don't mean to get upset but sometimes > all this just gets to you. You didn't mean to take it out on > Sassylouyou.. We all go thru that frustration and > understand. Salem > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Trepice2000, Why are you getting all defensive at what I said? I do read most of the posts and have been thru alot with my knees. I am usually a very gentle, kind understanding person but sometimes the pain gets to me too. We also don't mean to take it out on others but pain can make you irritable sometimes. No matter how good is doing now. I am sure he has been there also like all of us and still has a bad day from time to time. There are people who had replacements done 2-3 years ago and still get pain every now and then during damp, cool days or if they over-do. We need to be able to let someone vent if they are hurting or just need to. Suggestion thou, a person should mention in their post that they are venting so we know and can sympathsize. If someone is truly upset with someone, they should go to the moderator or discuss it with the one they are angry with on private e-mails. was just venting and we should just let it slide like water off a ducks feather because I am sure he didn't get upset on purpose. I didn't really see that it was that bad that it really even needed an apology buy sounds like me and doesn't like to hurt or upset anyone. Lets try saying thou in the future that we are venting. A concerned Salem who cares about ya'll and all of us in our group. treprice2000 <treprice2000@...> wrote: "The pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we lash out."Salem, it doesn't sound to me as if cpsaunders is having "horrific pain or loss of freedom". As a matter of fact, she was reporting on a long walk WITHOUT pain or cane. Furthermore, I don't think she owed anyone an apology. The passage that she apparently felt obliged to apologize for did not appear to me to be insulting or disrespectful or a "lashing out". At worst she sounded a bit irritated. If you follow posts here, you may note that there are frequent posters who are rather glib, long-winded, and sometimes write without careful consideration (or editing) and it is possible to become irritated at their posts. > > It is nice that you wrote the apology to Sassylouyou. It is sometimes so frustrating thou to keep getting these surgeries. The pain is horrific and it causes loss of freedom and movement and normal life everyday living. Sometimes we just get so flustered we lash out. Usually at the first person that adds that last straw even if it is just a tiny straw. We don't mean to get upset but sometimes all this just gets to you. You didn't mean to take it out on Sassylouyou.. We all go thru that frustration and understand. Salem > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 That was spiteful, hurtful, immature, childish, mean - you name it, I deserve it. Please accept my apologies for that manner of venting my frustration >>> I don't feel that an apology was due. It was merely you stating how you were going to spend your day in my view. I hate that you missed out on your walk but I appreciate you taking the time to consider my feelings might've been hurt in the matter and taking the time to issue an acknowledgement on the matter. I might add sounded like a great way to do your day.... although I think I would've waited until the 106 degrees was much cooler for the berry picking. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 You didn't mean to take it out on Sassylouyou.. We all go thru that frustration and understand. >>> I've posted my response to but haven't seen it at least as of YET. We know how that can go~ but should it not show up and so she knows. I didn't take it as a lashing. I do believe & agree with the frustrations statement.... so everyone knows though... I'm the peace maker type and it takes quite a bit to get my feathers ruffled. LOL I don't mind being the shoulder to those lashing who need to vent, I've needed a shoulder myself on more then a few occasion and don't think much of it. I too will return to say sorry though when I actually notice I've done it... although I have to admit there's times I miss getting the apology out when it's needed~ but I do try to pay attention to things so I can apologize when needed... just don't always work out. LOL It's very understandable... least in my eyes. We all have our days I didn't think anything of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 you may note that there are frequent posters who are rather glib, long-winded, and sometimes write without careful consideration (or editing) and it is possible to become irritated at their posts. >>> Agreed but it's the ones that yap with wrong information that ticks my turd not the longer posts. I wouldn't consider my posting glib nor long-winded~ sorry if someone feels that way specifically toward any of mine. I post lengthy on occasion to try to ensure that my view is well explained and not misunderstood. I believe some postings are mistook as a lash out solely because they are too short and seem rather point blank~ fact of the matter type. It's very difficult when it comes to postings to understand at times just what is or isn't implied because we don't "know" the person in terms of "the who they are about things" and it's not a "current conversation" as in spoken and responded to~ it's more spoken, got back to and then respoken to clarify which creates it's own problems. Good communication incorporates eye contact & body language to clarify a persons intent and we just don't have those qualities available to us when it comes to posting. Even chat room rolls more clear because it's interactive. One can make a statement & next text clarify where here it's 20+ postings later maybe before every detail of the conversation of topic was truly understood by all parties taking part in it. That's what I have to admit is what I believe to be one of the biggest down falls to message boards outside of those that just chime in to jerk anothers chain or misinform members. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 C.P.Saunders is a he - OOPS... LOL Sorry but thanks for clarifying. I've had ya she til now. Not used to guys writing alot... so I just kinda assumed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 sounds like me and doesn't like to hurt or upset anyone. Lets try saying thou in the future that we are venting >>> Me either... should I have a problem I e~mail direct if it's not answered then I'll mention the "hey this" bothered me or question just what did you mean by~ on the boards. I am a very blunt person though.... I often put things point blank but that's just me as a person~ it's not meant to intentionally hurt anothers feelings by any means if it happens to and I know it~ I'll apologize. But some never see the "other side" of any issue unless it's actually pointed out to them... and then it becomes one of those DUH~ LOL things. <giggling> for lack of a better way of stating it. LOL Any hoots... I don't want my words misunderstood which is why I go into detail and just lay my view on the line. I don't want someone sitting back reading a post of mine thinking to themselves now just what did she mean by that ? I make it clear and well explained... I suppose on occasion admittingly OVERLY explained. LOL But I'd much perfer to be lengthy and one know then short and them left with questions or assume I made a harsh remark when I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I have bad days and sometimes feel like strangling anyone who looks at me wrong. >>> Giggling... and I though you more to be the quiet peaceful type~ happy to know though I'm not the only one with that condition. LOL Neutral corners now everyone, it's settled. LOL >>> Happy you've had your meds 2day before you choke one and put'm there. LOL Oh Lord 2 funny~ but I just had to. :-O and :*) <<< That'd be open mouthed HAHAing with tears I can't hardly see the screen over! LOL Thanks for the giggles~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I might add sounded like a great way to do your day.... although I think I would've waited until the 106 degrees was much cooler for the berry picking. LOL >>> OOPS~ Although that statement is correct because berry picking at 106 degrees would be a mighty hot time 2 do it & I wouldn't. LOL My mistake.... the 106 days wasn't temperture you were speaking of~ you stated 106 days after revision~ my error. I didn't notice until another post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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