Air Filters

[Guest guest]

Can anyone recommend a good air cleaner for my room to help eliminate

the dust and dander from cats?

KAT

[Guest guest]

Jim,

What about air filters that put out ozone? I thought that was also very

important to have as well.

Jacqui

[Guest guest]

There is only one to consider, and forget all suggestions of HEPA filters, this

is the best. Sears sells two models of electrostatic air filters. Room size is

$179 & small house or apt.s size is $350.

I have 1250 Sq. Ft in my house & a small Kenmore electrostatic air filter. I

have 3 rottweilers I love, but strangers always say they smell. (I don't bathe

them) No one has said my house smells like ANYTHING since I got the filter.

An electrostatic air filter zaps dust the way a bug zapper does bugs. And, it

gets everything out of the air that can be got. No other kind of filter can say

that.

jim

angelkat wrote:

> From: angelkat <angelkat@...>

>

> Can anyone recommend a good air cleaner for my room to help eliminate

> the dust and dander from cats?

>

> KAT

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[Guest guest]

Hey Jim-

Is that Kenmore filter negative ion? Or is this better? Thanks.

Blessings,

Zell

[Guest guest]

Both Kenmore electrostatic air filters have a negative ion generator at the

output. But they work with both charges to get particles of either charge.

jim

> From: c_zell@... (Zell)

>

> Hey Jim-

>

> Is that Kenmore filter negative ion? Or is this better? Thanks.

>

> Blessings,

>

> Zell

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[Guest guest]

I have 2 ozone generators & I love them, but the higher ozone levels can

deteriorate things like rubber. I don't know what the parameters are. I am a

computer tech. I can't have my drive belts & other rubber parts going bad, so I

keep it out of my living space. I open my windows instead.

But, I use them everywhere else in my house.

jim

> From: KlinkSinat@...

>

> Jim,

> What about air filters that put out ozone? I thought that was also very

> important to have as well.

> Jacqui

>

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[Guest guest]

angelkat wrote:

>

> From: angelkat <angelkat@...>

>

> Can anyone recommend a good air cleaner for my room to help eliminate

> the dust and dander from cats?

>

> KAT

Does Kat have dander ? Is that what's up when Kat has her dander up ?

Just kidding,

Del Snow

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/11/99 12:59:02 PM Central Daylight Time,

angelkat@... writes:

<< Can anyone recommend a good air cleaner for my room to help eliminate

the dust and dander from cats?

KAT >>

I have found that these help but if you have developed an allergy to the

cats, it will not remove it fast enough to really help you. I have had that

problem recently with a dog. It took getting the dog out of the house and

then using filters and mainly cleaning up to try to eliminate the material

from laying around and in the carpets and the like. But it helped me a great

deal. But to think that one can keep them and count on some form of filtering

is not really an option.

Gene Downey

[Guest guest]

remembeer doxepin is just about the mosr powerful antihistamine

available

steve

Beverly wrote:

> From: " Beverly " <bevh@...>

> All this talk about bad air on airplanes had reminded me to ask about

> air filters. Some allergy place has little air filter/ioners that you

> wear around your neck. I think its called " personal air supply " .

> There's also versions that you can plug into the lighter in your car.

> Has anyone tried these things? We are in the worst pollen season of

> the year here in central Texas. I went to the allergy store the other

> week and bought three kinds of air filter/masks. One is like a nice

> surgical mask but made of silk and it has a plastic thing in it to

> make it stand out from your face so you can talk easily. Looks a

> little like a beak though. I've actually worn it in stores and

> driving around. People did double takes but no one was rude. They also

> make it in organic cotton. They are at http://icanbreathe.com. They

> have another model with a replaceable charcoal filter but I found it

> hard to breathe with it on. The second one is an industrial type 3M

> mask for which you can buy a bunch of different kinds of filters. I

> use that in the house or to go out in the backyard. I also bought a

> box of disposable surgical masks of the style that my NAET allergist

> gives out. I've havent been able to distinguish any co2 rebreathing

> effects apart from the air filtering effects but I do feel a little

> better when I wear them.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> [

[Guest guest]

>Hi Everyone,

Just discovered this site, glad to feel connected to other people who

appear to be just as miserable as myself. I developed asthma at age

28 and I guess Sampters kicked in slowly afterward. That was 14 years

ago, until this year none of my many doctors told me (or knew) what I

had!!. Extremely discouraged with the medical profession at this

point. I have had 4 sinus surgeries and extremely hard to control

asthma, I'm also allergic to Singulair, and have some hormonal

influences to the asthma. I'm at least glad to have a diagnosis so I

can learn more about this miserable disease!!!

At this point I just found a doctor who is willing to take me through

the after treatment of the Scriptts program (if I ever get stable

enough to quality) but I understood it to be more of a permanent cure

to the polyps, thereby improving the asthma greatly. After reading

Lorri's e mails about recurring visits and still being sick I'm kind

of discouraged, also Lorri are you dependent on Aspirin for the rest

of your life? Pls tell me there is some hope of improvement after a

Scripts visit? Currently I'm on prednisone and antibiotics every

month or so, two weeks off the prednisone and all symptoms return.

There has to be a better way.

Hi everyone

>

> I'm still suffering pretty bad with the nasal polyps and looking

for anything

> that can help. Have any of you found air filters to be effective in

any

> capacity? The more I think about it, it seems likely that the air

quality is

> definitely contributing to this episode of my nasal polyposis,

because I live

> in downtown Manhattan and for months after the tragedy here the air

quality

> where I am was horrible. I should have gotten an air filter then

but things

> like that just weren't on my mind at the time!

>

> Now the government is reimbursing those of us with respiratory

problems in

> Manhattan for the purchase of air filters due to the disaster and

before I

> purchase one I wanted to know what kind is the best kind to get. I

have

> heard things on both sides of the debate.

>

> Also if anyone knows a good online resource for comparing filters

let e know.

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> Lori B.

[Guest guest]

I think that washing out your sinuses can be just as important as an

air filter. Some people, of course, think differently but I believe

that it's helpful to me and helps keep my snozz less irritated. If

you've had surgery then you pretty much know the wash-out routine.

I usually wash once a day with about 2 pints of warm water and two

teaspoons of table salt. Half the water goes into a modified Waterpik

device. You can buy this little rubber tip thing on the internet that

you attach to the end of a Waterpik (a thing for cleaning your gums)

that makes it a little easier to use the device on your nose. I

bought it a few years ago and I can't really recommend it one way or

another but it pretty much helps shoot warm water up your nose like

it's supposed to. If I remember correctly, it costs a lot for what it

actually is though. (you can see it at http://www.sinus-relief.com)

Anyway, I use that with half the water and then use a squeeze bulb

(which works just fine as well) with the other half of the water and

after a lot of blowing water out and hacking and spitting and such I

feel pretty cleaned out and good in the sinus area. The idea behind

all this is similar to the Netti or Neti pot of India where you

basically pour warm water up one side of your nose. My septum is all

messed up and so I have to be a little more aggressive about getting

the water up there. I'm sure that for most people a squeeze bulb or

Netti pot would be fine -or- some people claim to just snort a little

salt water from a cup however that works.

So that helps me feel cleaned out and though it's easier for me to do

it in the morning ... I'm sure it would be even more beneficial to the

sinuses if one did it at night before bed to help clear out the day's

dust and whatnot.

Good luck / Happy snorting :-) By the way, I was turned down by the

Scripps Org for their program cause I don't have much of a respiratory

problem which I guess is what they are focused on. But thank you all

for helping me in contacting them.

-snoochmail-

[Guest guest]

Sorry you were turned down by Scripps -- I guess the aspirin-sensitive asthma is

really what they are looking for. You don't have much of a problem with that?

I do clean out my sinuses as much as possible (I actually use ENT Sol, which is

a hypertonic solution and easier for me) but it doesn't help dramatically

because, well, when my sinuses are symptomatic, as they are now, they are pretty

much completely blocked. On the right side in particular, it's impossible.

Lori

[Guest guest]

Hi Lori,

I actually deal with HEPA filters for a living. Feel free to give me a

call to go over issues. The real truth is that a lot of air flow is

what really counts. Good systems are not cheap but can be had for less

than 2k.

Cheers,

Wallace

209 Technologies

2081-A Bering Dr.

San , Ca 95131

cell- 408-655-7770

air filters

Hi everyone

I'm still suffering pretty bad with the nasal polyps and looking for

anything

that can help. Have any of you found air filters to be effective in any

capacity? The more I think about it, it seems likely that the air

quality is

definitely contributing to this episode of my nasal polyposis, because I

live

in downtown Manhattan and for months after the tragedy here the air

quality

where I am was horrible. I should have gotten an air filter then but

things

like that just weren't on my mind at the time!

Now the government is reimbursing those of us with respiratory problems

in

Manhattan for the purchase of air filters due to the disaster and before

I

purchase one I wanted to know what kind is the best kind to get. I have

heard things on both sides of the debate.

Also if anyone knows a good online resource for comparing filters let e

know.

Thanks so much!

Lori B.

[Guest guest]

I use a 24x24 box fan with the highest grade 24x24 HEPA furnace air filter I

can find. (Usually at Home Depot.) Both amount to about $40. I attach the

filter to the back of the fan and run it in my bedroom at night. Works

fabulously! Filters out 99% of ALL allergens. I no longer wake with sinus

congestion

headaches and earaches. I am seriously allergic to mold and mildew.

The biggest drawback is that it is very noisy, but for the price I have

gotten used to it..

[Guest guest]

An air purifer is the best. I get mine from www.aranizer.com. They are

wonderful.

Erma

At 12:07 AM 9/19/2003, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>Just joined the group and spotted a question about a good air filter.

>

>Check this one out....

><http://www.interbusiness.com.au/ats/atsfacts.html>http://www.interbusiness.com\

..au/ats/atsfacts.html

>

>it's available in Australia and is also available in the US, possibly

>under a different name.

>

>Alison

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I got mine from QVC. They have the carbon filters that

are to be changed every 2 months if you want odor

control. I happened to knock the grill off one of mine

this evening. It's been running two weeks and it

really has quite a collection of gunk just on the

prefilter (sponge filter that you rinse off and reuse)

Willow

--- Granada Family <robert_g54463@...>

wrote:

> That is good to know

> the Hunter air cleaners, our house is so I don't

> know what to call it so..

> maybe the Oreck are better then. I wonder if they

> are online?

>

>

>

> >Oreck makes reasonably priced

> >We could tell a difference in the air inside my

> > home within 24 hours.

> >

> > My allergies are under much better control.

> >

> > ; )

> > Willow

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was having bad allergies and broke down and bought an IQ Air Plus

(around $700-$800!). It really works well--others not so much. Now

that I've been on raw milk for half a year, the allergies see to be

much better.

Bill

>

> Has anyone noticed, in any before and after experiences with air

> filters, any positive results or tangible benefits?

>

> My friend recommended Blue air and Austin but then she said she

didn't

> know if theys even make a difference.

>

[Guest guest]

I have both a BlueAir and an Austin and really like both of them.

The BlueAir is very quiet, the Austin is a bit noisier, but actually

helps my kids sleep longer in the morning since they don't hear all

of the other noise in the early morning house. I liked the Austin

for the white noise it gives off. I would definitely make sure

nothing I bought makes ozone, especially with allergies. We bought a

Fresh Air unit first and my dd ended up in the ER and was

hospitalized for 5 days with uncontrollable asthma. Not a problem

with either of these two choices.

HTH,

Sal

[Guest guest]

i'm looking around for one too. from another forum,

airsouce is recommended. i hear that uv purifiers are

best, though i haven't looked into it as to why. i

can say that this manufacturer was recommended by a

person who's career is in wapf principles and such as

well as a person who almost died of mold toxicity so

she has spent a considerable amount of time

researching the subject and likes this one best.

[Guest guest]

This is a very interesting topic. Not very familiar with all the name brands,

but I am amazed with the effect of water. When those mist spray jets are placed

above doors & windows, I would imagine the amount of dust particles entering the

home would be greatly reduced. Also the negative ion effect is automatically

achieved without investing in expensive electronically charged equipment.

Remember the " Rainbow " vacuum that doubled as an air cleaner, you just filled

the basin with water turned on the cleaner to suck in dust particles then dumbed

out the dusty water below the turbine.

Just, Jim

crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote:

Has anyone noticed, in any before and after experiences with air

filters, any positive results or tangible benefits?

My friend recommended Blue air and Austin but then she said she didn't

know if theys even make a difference.

Well done is better than well said..., Jim Igo

[Guest guest]

i've been hanging out in the archives and it looks like uv is not the

best after all. i don't want to take the chance of ozone potentially

causing lung and breathing problems. gee, kinda counter productive.

since my big concern is mold, i think i may try the airfree model.

grateful for the resources!

[Guest guest]

I've been thinking of getting a heat exchange unit for bringing fresh

air into the house. We've got this problem with Japanese stinkbugs

that crawl into cracks for the winter and wind up invading people's

homes and coming out all winter into the nice warm rooms (don't laugh -

they started here and are spreading quickly!) It made me realize how

many cracks our home has that could use caulking because we had bugs

everywhere all winter.

Nature being what it is, I guess that moisture is probably also getting

into those cracks and that leads to mold, so incoming air is probably

passing through the areas most likely to have mold and then that's what

we're breathing.

But to get good indoor air quality (and oxygen) the indoor air needs to

be replaced every so often with air from outdoors. So there's this

neat Heat Exchange Unit that evidently costs around $1,000 installed

that will bring in fresh air, pass it through a HEPA filter and over a

radiator thing that brings it close to indoor temperature (cooler in

summer, warmer in winter).

I'm thinking that if indoor air has to circulate and be freshened, I'd

rather get it from something like this than haphazardly through moldy

cracks in the walls.

--- In , " sabine. " <impendingbloom@...>

wrote:

>

> i've been hanging out in the archives and it looks like uv is not the

> best after all. i don't want to take the chance of ozone potentially

> causing lung and breathing problems. gee, kinda counter productive.

> since my big concern is mold, i think i may try the airfree model.

>

> grateful for the resources!

>

[Guest guest]

I haven't been following this thread but am curious about the airfree

model you're talking about and what is it that causes breathing

problems?

I too am concerned with mold and bought a Sears dehumidifier which took

the moisture and thus the mold out. I also keep a fan going to

circulate air which mold doesn't like either.

On May 25, 2008, at 11:30 PM, sabine. wrote:

> i've been hanging out in the archives and it looks like uv is not the

> best after all. i don't want to take the chance of ozone potentially

> causing lung and breathing problems. gee, kinda counter productive.

> since my big concern is mold, i think i may try the airfree model.

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[Guest guest]

hi elizabeth,

more specifically it's the ozone that most uv

purifiers have that isn't good to breathe and causes

lung damage. some air cleaners remove ozone created

by appliances and whatnot. i think i recall also

something undesirable with uv too...maybe just

exposure. if you search air filters and air purifiers

in the archives, it should come up.

i like the idea of the air free one also because it

doesn't sucker you into buying replacement parts every

year and there's no cleaning involved. i think the

website is www.airfree.com.

sabine.

[Guest guest]

I'm a little late on the topic but wanted to throw in .02. I have multiple

Air Free and personally, for what they cost, I'm not convinced they're as

effective as I'd love them to be. I ran across some good common-sense

information on an Autism website which I think is a more practical,

cost-effective solution. HTH. -Sharon

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I've been selling air purifiers for 6 years now and am IAQ certified in NV

to do tests and what not. I'll share a few secrets with you folks no other

air purifier vendor will ever tell you.

1) The types of HEPA machines you buy at Walmart are a complete and utter

waste of money. You'll spend over $2000 in replacement filters over 5 years

on that $150 plastic HEPA machine and it won't even keep the air clean in 1

room. I have sensitive monitors that test down to under 1 micron as well as

VOC meters, etc. Those cheap HEPA machines don't remove any viruses,

bacteria, VOC's. They'll only remove dust near the machine and not even that

if you move around in the room. (stay put, moving around kicks up too much

dust for any air purifier to handle in a short period of time).

2) The expenisve HEPA machines are also a waste of money. (IQAir, etc) While

they can remove VOC's and dust in the part of the room they're located in,

the CFM air moved is too low to keep up with movement in the room. If you

have kids moving around in a room, (jumping on coaches, rolling around on

carpet, etc) you're constantly kicking up dead skin mostly and other types

of dust (from roach droppings, regular dust, etc). I can test the air 1 foot

from the machine and find poor air quality if people are moving around.

In other words, air purifiers for dust removal alone are a waste of money.

Here is what works:

1) Buy a $44.99 washable furnace filter with a lifetime warranty that has

95% arrestance at 1 micron.

2) Run your HVAC fan 24/7. (Runs on 120 watts and will only add around $5 to

your monthly ac bill) 1 air purifier uses around 120 watts as well. However,

the HVAC fan moves 2000-3000 CFM vs 100-300 for even the top of the line air

purifiers. You'll have to remove and wash the furnace filter monthly if you

do this as it will get caked with dust. However, the air in your entire home

will be changed 2 times per hour. (leave all doors open). This only works if

you have an HVAC system.

3) Consider putting a UVC induct air sanitizer in your HVAC system to kill

all molds, bacteria, and viruses that pass by 2 times per hour. These are

the things that can make you sick. Don't pay more than $239 for a dual 16 "

36W system with a 5 yr warranty. (most cost around $400-$500) Search around,

you'll find the $239 model.

4) Consider replacing carpets with hardwood floors or tile / rugs that can

be cleaned often. Consider getting a good HEPA vacuum and use it often. Dust

often. Keep any pollution source from your home.

I hate to see people waste money on air purifiers if they don't have to. I

only recommend them to my customers who don't have an HVAC system. Then I

only recommend models that have filters that will last 5 years and won't

break the bank.

We spend most of our time indoors and providing our kids with clean air is

great preventative medicine. If you're on a budget, simply invest in a

washable furnace filter and run your HVAC fan 24/7 for fast, immediate

results. All IMO and not to be taken as medical advise.