Air Filters

[Guest guest]

What is a HVAC fan?

>

> I'm a little late on the topic but wanted to throw in .02. I have

multiple

> Air Free and personally, for what they cost, I'm not convinced

they're as

> effective as I'd love them to be. I ran across some good common-

sense

> information on an Autism website which I think is a more practical,

> cost-effective solution. HTH. -Sharon

> --------------------------------------------------------

> I've been selling air purifiers for 6 years now and am IAQ

certified in NV

> to do tests and what not. I'll share a few secrets with you folks

no other

> air purifier vendor will ever tell you.

>

> 1) The types of HEPA machines you buy at Walmart are a complete and

utter

> waste of money. You'll spend over $2000 in replacement filters over

5 years

> on that $150 plastic HEPA machine and it won't even keep the air

clean in 1

> room. I have sensitive monitors that test down to under 1 micron as

well as

> VOC meters, etc. Those cheap HEPA machines don't remove any viruses,

> bacteria, VOC's. They'll only remove dust near the machine and not

even that

> if you move around in the room. (stay put, moving around kicks up

too much

> dust for any air purifier to handle in a short period of time).

> 2) The expenisve HEPA machines are also a waste of money. (IQAir,

etc) While

> they can remove VOC's and dust in the part of the room they're

located in,

> the CFM air moved is too low to keep up with movement in the room.

If you

> have kids moving around in a room, (jumping on coaches, rolling

around on

> carpet, etc) you're constantly kicking up dead skin mostly and

other types

> of dust (from roach droppings, regular dust, etc). I can test the

air 1 foot

> from the machine and find poor air quality if people are moving

around.

>

> In other words, air purifiers for dust removal alone are a waste of

money.

> Here is what works:

>

> 1) Buy a $44.99 washable furnace filter with a lifetime warranty

that has

> 95% arrestance at 1 micron.

> 2) Run your HVAC fan 24/7. (Runs on 120 watts and will only add

around $5 to

> your monthly ac bill) 1 air purifier uses around 120 watts as well.

However,

> the HVAC fan moves 2000-3000 CFM vs 100-300 for even the top of the

line air

> purifiers. You'll have to remove and wash the furnace filter

monthly if you

> do this as it will get caked with dust. However, the air in your

entire home

> will be changed 2 times per hour. (leave all doors open). This only

works if

> you have an HVAC system.

> 3) Consider putting a UVC induct air sanitizer in your HVAC system

to kill

> all molds, bacteria, and viruses that pass by 2 times per hour.

These are

> the things that can make you sick. Don't pay more than $239 for a

dual 16 "

> 36W system with a 5 yr warranty. (most cost around $400-$500)

Search around,

> you'll find the $239 model.

> 4) Consider replacing carpets with hardwood floors or tile / rugs

that can

> be cleaned often. Consider getting a good HEPA vacuum and use it

often. Dust

> often. Keep any pollution source from your home.

>

> I hate to see people waste money on air purifiers if they don't

have to. I

> only recommend them to my customers who don't have an HVAC system.

Then I

> only recommend models that have filters that will last 5 years and

won't

> break the bank.

>

> We spend most of our time indoors and providing our kids with clean

air is

> great preventative medicine. If you're on a budget, simply invest

in a

> washable furnace filter and run your HVAC fan 24/7 for fast,

immediate

> results. All IMO and not to be taken as medical advise.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If your heat/air is vented throughout your house, there's a Fan Only

setting....HVAC is just the term for a vented heating/air system versus

electric, non-vented, etc. In other words, ductwork.........

Sharon

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:00 PM, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...>

wrote:

> What is a HVAC fan?

>

> >

> > I'm a little late on the topic but wanted to throw in .02. I have

> multiple

> > Air Free and personally, for what they cost, I'm not convinced

> they're as

> > effective as I'd love them to be. I ran across some good common-

> sense

> > information on an Autism website which I think is a more practical,

> > cost-effective solution. HTH. -Sharon

> > --------------------------------------------------------

> > I've been selling air purifiers for 6 years now and am IAQ

> certified in NV

> > to do tests and what not. I'll share a few secrets with you folks

> no other

> > air purifier vendor will ever tell you.

> >

> > 1) The types of HEPA machines you buy at Walmart are a complete and

> utter

> > waste of money. You'll spend over $2000 in replacement filters over

> 5 years

> > on that $150 plastic HEPA machine and it won't even keep the air

> clean in 1

> > room. I have sensitive monitors that test down to under 1 micron as

> well as

> > VOC meters, etc. Those cheap HEPA machines don't remove any viruses,

> > bacteria, VOC's. They'll only remove dust near the machine and not

> even that

> > if you move around in the room. (stay put, moving around kicks up

> too much

> > dust for any air purifier to handle in a short period of time).

> > 2) The expenisve HEPA machines are also a waste of money. (IQAir,

> etc) While

> > they can remove VOC's and dust in the part of the room they're

> located in,

> > the CFM air moved is too low to keep up with movement in the room.

> If you

> > have kids moving around in a room, (jumping on coaches, rolling

> around on

> > carpet, etc) you're constantly kicking up dead skin mostly and

> other types

> > of dust (from roach droppings, regular dust, etc). I can test the

> air 1 foot

> > from the machine and find poor air quality if people are moving

> around.

> >

> > In other words, air purifiers for dust removal alone are a waste of

> money.

> > Here is what works:

> >

> > 1) Buy a $44.99 washable furnace filter with a lifetime warranty

> that has

> > 95% arrestance at 1 micron.

> > 2) Run your HVAC fan 24/7. (Runs on 120 watts and will only add

> around $5 to

> > your monthly ac bill) 1 air purifier uses around 120 watts as well.

> However,

> > the HVAC fan moves 2000-3000 CFM vs 100-300 for even the top of the

> line air

> > purifiers. You'll have to remove and wash the furnace filter

> monthly if you

> > do this as it will get caked with dust. However, the air in your

> entire home

> > will be changed 2 times per hour. (leave all doors open). This only

> works if

> > you have an HVAC system.

> > 3) Consider putting a UVC induct air sanitizer in your HVAC system

> to kill

> > all molds, bacteria, and viruses that pass by 2 times per hour.

> These are

> > the things that can make you sick. Don't pay more than $239 for a

> dual 16 "

> > 36W system with a 5 yr warranty. (most cost around $400-$500)

> Search around,

> > you'll find the $239 model.

> > 4) Consider replacing carpets with hardwood floors or tile / rugs

> that can

> > be cleaned often. Consider getting a good HEPA vacuum and use it

> often. Dust

> > often. Keep any pollution source from your home.

> >

> > I hate to see people waste money on air purifiers if they don't

> have to. I

> > only recommend them to my customers who don't have an HVAC system.

> Then I

> > only recommend models that have filters that will last 5 years and

> won't

> > break the bank.

> >

> > We spend most of our time indoors and providing our kids with clean

> air is

> > great preventative medicine. If you're on a budget, simply invest

> in a

> > washable furnace filter and run your HVAC fan 24/7 for fast,

> immediate

> > results. All IMO and not to be taken as medical advise.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It is interesting to note that, just like traditional folk has wisdom

to give us on eating, they also do on housing and indoor air quality.

For instance, their use of straw bale construction and radiant (rather

than ductwork) floor/hearth heating systems greatly improves the

efficiency and quality of a home... too bad building codes and

everything else works against these good things.

[Guest guest]

Yes! I'm really wanting a straw bale house now! I wonder if building

codes apply to making a small one as a " playhouse " , " for the kids " -

which we could then hang out in...

>

> It is interesting to note that, just like traditional folk has wisdom

> to give us on eating, they also do on housing and indoor air

quality.

> For instance, their use of straw bale construction and radiant

(rather

> than ductwork) floor/hearth heating systems greatly improves the

> efficiency and quality of a home... too bad building codes and

> everything else works against these good things.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Haecklers,

There used to be people who gave workshops where one could

learn to build your own straw bale house. Check to see if

your library has any books on it. Years ago checked out

some that showed pictures of Mansions made of straw bale.

Many of these are found in the Midwest of U.S.A. as there was

limited wood to be found in times gone buy.

From: haecklers

Yes! I'm really wanting a straw bale house now! I wonder if building

codes apply to making a small one as a " playhouse " , " for the kids " -

which we could then hang out in...

[Guest guest]

Hi, All...I can only speak for myself, but I swear by having good air

purifiers.  I bought mine after a great deal of research.  Some of the most

helpful information came from www.achooallergy.com, a site that had a good list

of comparisons and consumer reviews, which I gain more from than any expert's

recommendation.

Good luck...again, this site was helpful to me as I sought products, etc., but

as is the case with everything else, others may disagree.  Just a bit more info

if folks would like to check it out.  It has then connected me to other sites.

 

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From: CU <jackiebreeze@...>

Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:20:32 AM

Subject: [] Re: HLA Shoemaker genotype, blood titers to molds, and

Lyme disease

 

The allergy shots do work if you have an allergy to mold. Allergy shots are the

most natural way to treat allergies so I can't understand why people don't

consider being tested for allergies and taking the shots. I have been taking

them for 2 years and I have seen a mark difference in my health. It was not

always like this. I had several rounds of allergy shots since I was 24 years old

and none worked as well as the ones I am taking now. My doctor has been so great

at working with my body. If I feel the shots are too much, he allows me to

listen to my body and cuts back on the serum. In the past I would end up with

whelps as big as golf balls and miserable for days after the shots. The shots my

last MD gave me were a little rough the first few months but after about 3

months, my health got better and better. It is bad enough to be ill from mold

period but to have an allergy to mold while living in a sick building is double

trouble. Being tested for mold allergies should be part of anyone health care

who is living in a sick building. I can't understand why people dispute the

shots so much. A good allergist also recommends that a person leaves the mold.

There is no way of getting around the mold but to leave. I know for some it is

hard. It was very hard for me. I ended up in one mold environment after another.

I was out of work and caring for my sick mother on top of me being sick so life

was tough. I could not afford to move either but we finally did. I don't think I

could have lived too much longer in the environment.

[Guest guest]

That being said Im going to get mine from the living room and put in the

computer room where I spend most of my time.

Thank you Sally :-)

>

> Hi, All...I can only speak for myself, but I swear by having good air

> purifiers

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Sally.

Which one did you get? I think I can feel a diff with our austin airs here. I am

not sure if it safe to take them with us though and my husband is going back and

forth between houses and I want these here while he is here.

So looking for new ones.

Also wondering (sorry for posting about this on several threads) if these

machines can be cleaned well enough to take from the " mold " home to a cleaner

location? Hepa vacced and wiped down, change the filter?

I would hate to toss these.

Thanks,

Robin

>

> Hi, All...I can only speak for myself, but I swear by having good air

> purifiers.  I bought mine after a great deal of research.  Some of the most

> helpful information came from www.achooallergy.com, a site that had a good

list

> of comparisons and consumer reviews, which I gain more from than any expert's

> recommendation.

>

> Good luck...again, this site was helpful to me as I sought products, etc., but

> as is the case with everything else, others may disagree.  Just a bit more

info

> if folks would like to check it out.  It has then connected me to other

sites.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Robin I've been thinking about taking air purifiers from one residence to

another for a couple of days now. The machine is drawing in 'dirty " air running

it through the filters and cleansing it but yet some of the spores obviously

attach themselves to the air purifier. As long as the air purifier is on why

wouldn't whatever has attached itself to the casing be sucked and contained by

the filter?

I just had a commercial air scrubber at the house for 3 days, how do I know

where that scrubber was before they brought it here, how can I be sure that it

was throughly hepa vacuumed and wiped down before they brought it into the

house? I wanted to ask the mold remediator how they decontaminate air scrubbers

before they take them from one location to another but wasnt home when he picked

the air scrubber up.

>

> Thanks, Sally.

>

> Which one did you get? I think I can feel a diff with our austin airs here. I

am not sure if it safe to take them with us though and my husband is going back

and forth between houses and I want these here while he is here.

>

> So looking for new ones.

>

>

> Also wondering (sorry for posting about this on several threads) if these

machines can be cleaned well enough to take from the " mold " home to a cleaner

location? Hepa vacced and wiped down, change the filter?

>

> I would hate to toss these.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Robin

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy..

would that be from mold spores behind the wall still growing? Im getting that

the electostatic component to the bule air which causes ionization will make the

spores sticky this stick to the filter, but im wondering whats happeneing to the

spores that dont stick to the filter.

Robin

>

> Sally,

>

> Thanks so much for the trusted site. We keep learning. I haven't read it

yet. 

>

> A mold specialist here told me ionizers are a bad idea, b/c they can pull

toxins from within the walls & we will breath them in.

>

> If a model has one, make sure you have the option to turn it off.  Kathy

>