Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. My rheumatologist can't explain why my ANA titer was 160:1 speckled pattern (indicative of lupus) in September and now is negative, yet he doesn't seem willing to consider my exposure to very high levels of mold (air tested-stachy and aspergillus) in the spring could be the cause. I am still displaying many symptoms that could be either lupus or mold related. These lupus symptoms started immediately after exposure to the mold. I have not been exposed to mold since July. My daughter has a similar scenario--same mold, slightly different symptoms (asthma and sinus infections), no further exposure since July, and first a high positive ANA and now negative. We broke our lease to move out when the mold was found. If what we have is the result of mold, then how do we prove it. My daugter's blood was tested and found negative for any of the molds, except a high candida albicans (maybe from all the antibiotics she has been on to get rid of the sinus infections.) We are being treated for the lupus, but am not convinced that is our problem. Any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 ANA is not the only determination of Lupus. I suggest that you look up the recommended Lupus diagnostics. You and your daughter most likely have Chronic Inflammatory Conditions. The POA paper by Dr. Shoemaker and other authors explains this in detail. Also, you can go to my web site which has additional information: http://www.drthrasher.org/page162.html http://www.drthrasher.org/page167.html http://www.drthrasher.org/page198.html [] Lupus and WDB I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. My rheumatologist can't explain why my ANA titer was 160:1 speckled pattern (indicative of lupus) in September and now is negative, yet he doesn't seem willing to consider my exposure to very high levels of mold (air tested-stachy and aspergillus) in the spring could be the cause. I am still displaying many symptoms that could be either lupus or mold related. These lupus symptoms started immediately after exposure to the mold. I have not been exposed to mold since July. My daughter has a similar scenario--same mold, slightly different symptoms (asthma and sinus infections), no further exposure since July, and first a high positive ANA and now negative. We broke our lease to move out when the mold was found. If what we have is the result of mold, then how do we prove it. My daugter's blood was tested and found negative for any of the molds, except a high candida albicans (maybe from all the antibiotics she has been on to get rid of the sinus infections.) We are being treated for the lupus, but am not convinced that is our problem. Any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Dr. Thrasher Please jump in here ! Give this paper to your Dr. Antibiotics will not cure a sinus mold infection and can only make it worse IMO. Was it cultured ??    http://www.policyholdersofamerica.org/doc/CIRS_PEER_REVIEWED_PAPER.pdf God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Donna Ruppert <donna.ruppert@...> Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 3:09:56 PM Subject: [] Lupus and WDB  I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. My rheumatologist can't explain why my ANA titer was 160:1 speckled pattern (indicative of lupus) in September and now is negative, yet he doesn't seem willing to consider my exposure to very high levels of mold (air tested-stachy and aspergillus) in the spring could be the cause. I am still displaying many symptoms that could be either lupus or mold related. These lupus symptoms started immediately after exposure to the mold. I have not been exposed to mold since July. My daughter has a similar scenario--same mold, slightly different symptoms (asthma and sinus infections), no further exposure since July, and first a high positive ANA and now negative. We broke our lease to move out when the mold was found. If what we have is the result of mold, then how do we prove it. My daugter's blood was tested and found negative for any of the molds, except a high candida albicans (maybe from all the antibiotics she has been on to get rid of the sinus infections.) We are being treated for the lupus, but am not convinced that is our problem. Any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 i am in the same situation and i bet a few others here as well. my thyroid were crazy, first i was diag with grave hyper, put on anti thyroid, i asked for low dose b/c i wasn't convinced it was hyper and i different have the specific sx, yet i did have a lot of other sx. the dr said only 10mg wouldn't do anything, well in 3 months i went hypo and diag with Hashimoto. so i have 2 auto immunes from the thyroid. my mold dr says it is pretty impossible to have both hyper and hypo. since then my tsh is now normal but my Reverse T3 is very high so i was put on T3 meds, i haven't taken yet until my adrenals are stronger. but my sx never changed from hyper to hypo to now, go figure i had a ana test and tested positive for sjogens but my titer was 1:40 which the rhum said was a low titer but my antibody # was over 500 which was high, he said it made no sense, usually the titer and anti bac # work together, both high or both low. he offered steroids , no way. he said something must be i am on csm for mold. i know this is mold, and caused by mold so i would rather try and get the mold out, and take supplements and homeopathic for my sx and remove exposures. sounds strange that now your # are neg. actually that is great. i would work on getting the mold out, with csm(compounded resin), or diffican(rx), anti fungus( oil of oregano,or caprylic acid, etc, )anti bacterials,(garlic, grapeseed extract, etc) work on the gut, i use things for my eye(pink eye relief from whole foods, milk eye wash), sinus(like nette pot, for some relief with sea salt), face sauna, real sauna, there are nasal sprays for bacteria. which i'm sure you know of these things, sometime for me i need a reminder it is mold and to try and treat the mold what are your sx and what did the dr put you on? does it seem to be helping your sx? i would bet it is mold. ________________________________ From: Donna Ruppert <donna.ruppert@...> Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 1:09:56 PM Subject: [] Lupus and WDB I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. My rheumatologist can't explain why my ANA titer was 160:1 speckled pattern (indicative of lupus) in September and now is negative, yet he doesn't seem willing to consider my exposure to very high levels of mold (air tested-stachy and aspergillus) in the spring could be the cause. I am still displaying many symptoms that could be either lupus or mold related. These lupus symptoms started immediately after exposure to the mold. I have not been exposed to mold since July. My daughter has a similar scenario--same mold, slightly different symptoms (asthma and sinus infections), no further exposure since July, and first a high positive ANA and now negative. We broke our lease to move out when the mold was found. If what we have is the result of mold, then how do we prove it. My daugter's blood was tested and found negative for any of the molds, except a high candida albicans (maybe from all the antibiotics she has been on to get rid of the sinus infections.) We are being treated for the lupus, but am not convinced that is our problem. Any help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Seeing mold triggers auto-immune illness, you probably have both > > I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. > > My rheumatologist can't explain why my ANA titer was 160:1 speckled pattern > (indicative of lupus) in September and now is negative, yet he doesn't seem > willing to consider my exposure to very high levels of mold (air tested-stachy > and aspergillus) in the spring could be the cause. I am still displaying many > symptoms that could be either lupus or mold related. These lupus symptoms > started immediately after exposure to the mold. I have not been exposed to mold > since July. > > My daughter has a similar scenario--same mold, slightly different symptoms > (asthma and sinus infections), no further exposure since July, and first a high > positive ANA and now negative. > > We broke our lease to move out when the mold was found. If what we have is the > result of mold, then how do we prove it. My daugter's blood was tested and > found negative for any of the molds, except a high candida albicans (maybe from > all the antibiotics she has been on to get rid of the sinus infections.) We are > being treated for the lupus, but am not convinced that is our problem. Any > help? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Hi , It is not me it is a friend I was trying to get some answers for. I do not have any Dr nor could I at the moment.     God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Danel <denise.danel@...> Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 4:36:54 PM Subject: Re: [] Lupus and WDB  i am in the same situation and i bet a few others here as well. my thyroid were crazy, first i was diag with grave hyper, put on anti thyroid, i asked for low dose b/c i wasn't convinced it was hyper and i different have the specific sx, yet i did have a lot of other sx. the dr said only 10mg wouldn't do anything, well in 3 months i went hypo and diag with Hashimoto. so i have 2 auto immunes from the thyroid. my mold dr says it is pretty impossible to have both hyper and hypo. since then my tsh is now normal but my Reverse T3 is very high so i was put on T3 meds, i haven't taken yet until my adrenals are stronger. but my sx never changed from hyper to hypo to now, go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 If one has colonization and/or infection from mold, antibiotics will only make the situation worsen. Also, the use of steroids will only exacerbate the situation. [] Lupus and WDB I am at a loss as to how one determines if I have lupus or a reaction to mold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Hi ,  Please see Dr Thrasher's comments also I found this paper : http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?+wo=2008021970 & +DISPLAY=DESC & IA=US2007075609\ & DISPLAY=DESC God Bless !! dragonflymcs Mayleen ________________________________ From: Danel <denise.danel@...> Sent: Mon, January 17, 2011 4:36:54 PM Subject: Re: [] Lupus and WDB i am in the same situation and i bet a few others here as well. my thyroid were crazy, first i was diag with grave hyper, put on anti thyroid, i asked for low dose b/c i wasn't convinced it was hyper and i different have the specific sx, yet i did have a lot of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Jack, would this also be the case with sythetic antibiotics or just those derived from fermentation/ molds? Thanks _______________________ On 2011-01-18 12:11:49 +1100 " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > If one has colonization and/or infection from mold, antibiotics will only > make the situation worsen. Also, the use of steroids will only exacerbate > the situation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Even synthetics. Antibiotics upset the bacteria flora which will permit the molds and yeast to take over. What you must remember that physicians only think of infection and disease as being caused by bacteria and viruses. They approach with this idea assuming that if they kill of the infections everything will be okay. Re: [] Lupus and WDB Jack, would this also be the case with sythetic antibiotics or just those derived from fermentation/ molds? Thanks _______________________ On 2011-01-18 12:11:49 +1100 " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > If one has colonization and/or infection from mold, antibiotics will only > make the situation worsen. Also, the use of steroids will only exacerbate > the situation. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2011 Report Share Posted January 17, 2011 Thanks Jack, for the response. That makes complete sense. Ive not gone near antibiotics for years but was recently presribed a 4 antibiotic combo by my doc. Have been avoiding it for months. ________________________ On 2011-01-18 16:27:40 +1100 " Jack Thrasher, Ph.D. " <toxicologist1@...> wrote: > > Even synthetics. Antibiotics upset the bacteria flora which will permit the > molds and yeast to take over. What you must remember that physicians only > think of infection and disease as being caused by bacteria and viruses. > They approach with this idea assuming that if they kill of the infections > everything will be okay. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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