Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Discretion is one of my best attributes!!!!!! HEY EVERYONE DAVE AND HIS WIFE ARE GOING HONEYMOON SOON!!!! LOL........See Diane I do behave.......Good to have you back...It's true about the south having such horsepatility.......Weez famous fer it!!!!! Yall come on down now ya hear and git ya some of it!!!! I wish all of you could come down here...Dave you already have gotten a good taste of it.Like myself more of a taste than you needed huh??? LOL..I can laugh now of my past but I sure did want to cry at one time..My side still bothers me and I stay tired all the time!!!! I though being off the meds would have made me pick up a little but it seems it hasn't yet....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Dennis that's sweet!!!!! We think of you too when you are out in nature....Wishing it was us!!!!!!! LOL....Have a great time!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Hi Diane Good to have you back!!!!!!! We're going way up the coast of Maine (Bar Harbor) today for 3 days. The weather should be nice. Hi DZ and everyone. Dennis Re: [ ] Hi > > HELLO EVERYONE !!!!!!!!! > > I'M HOME!!!! ;o > First I want to Welcome the newcomers to the group! Glad to have you > here. My name is Diane and I am sure you will enjoy this circle of > friends that we have here... Sending a big warm welcome to you > all........ > > Terri, > I am sorry to hear about your newest health issue. Be strong, and you > know that we are here for you.... I know exactly how you feel... Every > time we turn around there is something else.... Hang in there > sweetie..... > > Hi Jan, S.J., Dennis, -dz-, , , and everyone else....... I > have jet lag.... Felt a lot better in Florida.... As soon as I got off > the plane here in N.J. I started having breathing problems and pain.... > I have 300 e-mails to catch up on.... Most will just be deleted....... > Missed you guys a lot.... No one had a computer so I was lost... LOL... > I also left my phone numbers home and couldn't call anyone!!! My sister > showed up early and I was being rushed.... Talk with everyone a bit > later..... > > Angel Hugs, > Diane > > May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Welcome back! We've missed you. Glad you had a nice trip. -dz- --- diane214@... wrote: > > HELLO EVERYONE !!!!!!!!! > > I'M HOME!!!! ;o > First I want to Welcome the newcomers to the group! > Glad to have you > here. My name is Diane and I am sure you will enjoy > this circle of > friends that we have here... Sending a big warm > welcome to you > all........ > > Terri, > I am sorry to hear about your newest health issue. > Be strong, and you > know that we are here for you.... I know exactly how > you feel... Every > time we turn around there is something else.... Hang > in there > sweetie..... > > Hi Jan, S.J., Dennis, -dz-, , , and > everyone else....... I > have jet lag.... Felt a lot better in Florida.... As > soon as I got off > the plane here in N.J. I started having breathing > problems and pain.... > I have 300 e-mails to catch up on.... Most will just > be deleted....... > Missed you guys a lot.... No one had a computer so I > was lost... LOL... > I also left my phone numbers home and couldn't call > anyone!!! My sister > showed up early and I was being rushed.... Talk with > everyone a bit > later..... > > Angel Hugs, > Diane > > May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, > Peace & Unity > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Sounds like fun. Keep an eye out for the meteor showers this weekend. They're supposed to be visible from Saturday through Monday. We're expecting a little better weather this weekend, too. It's been quite cool the past few days. -dz- --- Dennis <dhuber@...> wrote: > Hi Diane > > Good to have you back!!!!!!! > We're going way up the coast of Maine (Bar Harbor) > today for 3 days. The > weather should be nice. > Hi DZ and everyone. > > Dennis > > Re: [ ] Hi > > > > > > HELLO EVERYONE !!!!!!!!! > > > > I'M HOME!!!! ;o > > First I want to Welcome the newcomers to the > group! Glad to have you > > here. My name is Diane and I am sure you will > enjoy this circle of > > friends that we have here... Sending a big warm > welcome to you > > all........ > > > > Terri, > > I am sorry to hear about your newest health > issue. Be strong, and you > > know that we are here for you.... I know exactly > how you feel... Every > > time we turn around there is something else.... > Hang in there > > sweetie..... > > > > Hi Jan, S.J., Dennis, -dz-, , , and > everyone else....... I > > have jet lag.... Felt a lot better in Florida.... > As soon as I got off > > the plane here in N.J. I started having breathing > problems and pain.... > > I have 300 e-mails to catch up on.... Most will > just be deleted....... > > Missed you guys a lot.... No one had a computer so > I was lost... LOL... > > I also left my phone numbers home and couldn't > call anyone!!! My sister > > showed up early and I was being rushed.... Talk > with everyone a bit > > later..... > > > > Angel Hugs, > > Diane > > > > May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, > Hope, Peace & Unity > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Hey Jan, Have you been behaving while I was gone? I was going to ask Cajun if she was a coon ass, but she was covered in tatoo's so I figured I was safer not to ask!!!!! LOL.. Dennis: Have a good time on your trip. Does a soul good to get away.... Thank you all for the Welcome back.... ;o -dz-: Have you kept Jan in line? ;o Happy Friday Everyone!!!!!!! Angel Hugs, Diane May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, Peace & Unity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Good plan. Discretion is the better part of valor! Although you can't underestimate good old southern hospitality. Diane & I (that's my Diane, we don't want to start any rumours) are going out of town for a couple of days, too. It's our 1st anniversary, we're going up on the peninsula, it's actually considered an island now, since they dug a canal from Sturgeon Bay through to Lake Michigan. I'm looking forward to a little time away, too. -dz- --- diane214@... wrote: > Hey Jan, > Have you been behaving while I was gone? I was > going to ask Cajun if > she was a coon ass, but she was covered in tatoo's > so I figured I was > safer not to ask!!!!! LOL.. > > Dennis: > Have a good time on your trip. Does a soul good to > get away.... > Thank you all for the Welcome back.... ;o -dz-: Have > you kept Jan in > line? ;o > Happy Friday Everyone!!!!!!! > > Angel Hugs, > Diane > > May Rainbow Dreams Color Your World With Love, Hope, > Peace & Unity > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 I do think of you all when I'm out in nature. Dennis Re: [ ] Hi Dennis have a great time ok!!!!! Think of the rest of us while you are gone! Yea right...We will be the farthest people from your mind while you have a chance to get away....WE DON"T BLAME YOU EITHER!!! Have a great trip!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2001 Report Share Posted October 19, 2001 Well, I don't think I could get too much of the southern hospitality, just a little too much of Bourbon St. Aside from a few people who had a natural distrust of " yankees " , they have that down home friendliness that makes you feel like you've known them for years. Hang in there, I understand that it takes a while for your system to get back to normal, it seems to vary widely from one person to another. -dz- --- Jannewilms42@... wrote: > Discretion is one of my best attributes!!!!!! HEY > EVERYONE DAVE AND HIS WIFE > ARE GOING HONEYMOON SOON!!!! LOL........See Diane I > do behave.......Good to > have you back...It's true about the south having > such > horsepatility.......Weez famous fer it!!!!! Yall > come on down now ya hear and > git ya some of it!!!! I wish all of you could come > down here...Dave you > already have gotten a good taste of it.Like myself > more of a taste than you > needed huh??? LOL..I can laugh now of my past but I > sure did want to cry at > one time..My side still bothers me and I stay tired > all the time!!!! I though > being off the meds would have made me pick up a > little but it seems it hasn't > yet....... > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2001 Report Share Posted October 29, 2001 > > > > > > > > The hair test can telll you enough whether your son is heavy > > metal > > > toxic. > > > > You said his hair results showed extremely high aluminum, > arsenic, > > > > zirconium. That means he is heavy metal toxic. I don't know > how > > > old is you > > > > son. Normally older kids do not show mercury high. That doesnot > > > mean they > > > > are not toxic of mercury. The mercury may just deeply buried > in > > > system. > > > > Young kids or recent exposure to mercury people will show up of > > high > > > > mercury. My son is 3.5 year old now. We got high mercury data > > from > > > his > > > > hair test. > > > > > > > > Ping > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jwhite@m... > > > > 19Oct2001 02:00 PM > > > > > > > > Please respond to @y... > > > > > > > > > > > > @y... > > > > cc: > > > > Subject: [ ] Reply to Ping > > > > Retain Until: 11/18/2001 Retention Category: G90 - > Information > > > and > > > > Reports > > > > Caterpillar Confidential: Green > > > > > > > > > > > > Ping, thank you for your reply. I have another question for > > you -- > > > > which test(s) did Pfeiffer use to determine your son was heavy > > metal > > > > toxic? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His hair analysis also showed > > > > > extremely high aluminum, arsenic, zirconium. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 , Pfeiffer does help me treat the yeast, but I didn't absolutely follow them. I gave my son nystatin for almost three month at beginning. I saw some yeast die off reaction. But his yeast never went away. When I loaded him on cilantro and the metal was stirred up and dumpped out, his yeast was totally out of control. Later, I read some paper regarding the yeast. Yeast is a big issue to our kids. If we always use drug to treat them, we never can get rid of it. The problem with " killing the yeast " is that you never kill all the yeast because a certain amount of yeast belongs in the colon. Normal people also have yeast. Since just one candida can become 10 million in ten hours, it jsut comes back once the antibiotic is stopped. The only way to get rid of yeast is to balance the gut environment which is right now what we are doing to add more probiotics and recover the organ normal function which is to get rid of the heavy metal toxicity. Antibiotics only make yeast more resistantable and more difficult to treat it. I am right now not treating my son's yeast. I tolerate his hyper and over energetic. I am doing the chelation and load him lots lots of strong probiotics. I know there are a lot of new kids joining the autism list, but I don't know the AutismNews in Chicago land. I am living in west surburban of Chicago. I may be too busy to run for my life here. My husband is a consultant and traveling every week and I am a full time working mom with this little autistic sweetheart. If you have some information or web address, please pass to me. Blesses! Ping " The Kramer Family " < > <nmkramer@ent cc: eract.com> Subject: [ ] Hi 11/20/01 10:36 AM Please respond to Autism-Mercur y Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 12/20/2001 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports Ping, I noticed that you are using the Pfieffer center. Do they help you with yeast treatments? I wondered because a neighbor may see them and her son may have a yeast problem. Are you aware of the Chicago area list, AutismNews? Kramer (Buffalo Grove) sman may understand fully the reasoning behind not treating the yeast and klebsiella with antibiotics, she may have to follow mainstream protocol (because she works for a clinic). Anyway, Dr. Jossa asked me to tell you to please stop the antibiotic treatments and zinc and to use a good probiotic (either kirkman's or the Now 3-6-9) and to double or triple the dose of the probiotic for four or five days to help Victor's body recover from losing all the good bacteria in his gastrointestinal system (due to the antibiotics). If the antibiotics are continued, this could significantly set back healing and he does not want to be responsible for any side effects or significantly slowed down healing time that could happen as a result of the antibiotics. The problem with " killing the yeast " is that you never kill all the yeast because a certain amount of yeast belongs in the colon. When you kill the yeast you leave a space. Since just one candida can become 10 million in ten hours, it just comes back once the antibiotic is stopped. Each time you administer antibiotics these become more resistant to the antibiotics - making them much more difficult to kill. The only way to get rid of yeast and bacteria in the gut is to make the environment of the gut " inhospitable " for the yeast to survive there. If the environment of the gut is conducive to hosting yeast further up in the small intestine and stomach (where it does not belong) - antibiotics will not change that and they will only come back - but will be more resistant to the antibiotics. The yeast problem will slowly reside on the doc's protocol without treatment. It is just that the carbohydrate mechanism has been triggered - which will cause a rise in yeast temporarily (according to Dr. Jossa). I know this is contrary to mainstream thinking - but is common in most forms of Chinese medicine and definitely in homeopathy. You are always free to decide what you chose to do with your sweet little boy, however, mixing protocols probably isn't in Victor's best interest and I wouldn't want the doc to pull back and decide not to treat Victor because of continued use of antibiotics, etc. If you are worried about the yeast and klebsiella, please call Dr. Jossa and speak with him about it. You could also have Dr. Usman call him so that she can better understand Dr. Jossa's reasoning on this with regard to Victor. This is not meant to make you panic - just to let you know that you should probably call Dr. Jossa and find out the reasoning behind his concerns - it's always good to stay connected and in touch with the Doctor that is treating your child xoxo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 , Sorry that I didn't clear up my friend's mail at the end. Here is one paper talking about naturally deal with yeast. I just paste it here. I am right now using biocidin and biotonic herbals to deal with my son's yeast. And I also apply tea tree oil on his tummy every night after he falls sleep. Ping Conquering Candidiasis Naturally. by C. Byrnes, N.D., R.N.C.P. THE NIGHTMARE OF CANDIDA OVERGROWTH Candida albicans and candida tropicalis are the names given to common yeasts that live within our intestines and certain mucous membranes, the throat, for example. Everyone has candida within them: we are born with it. Candida usually lives at peace with our other intestinal fauna, the acidophilus and bifido bacteria, and it is these bacterial residents that keep candida under control, preventing a " population burst. " Candida's function in the body is mainly to gobble up any putrefied food matter in our digestive system (mostly caused by improper digestion due to low stomach acid) before any potentially harmful bacteria can have a feast, multiply, and become threatening to our health. After we die, candida acts to decompose the body, feeding off our corpse, much like a fungal mold on a dead tree. Candida is usually kept in check by the gastrointestinal " good " bacteria and the immune system, but trouble can arise when certain conditions are present. It is in the presence of these conditions that candida can begin growing out of control in the intestines, branching out and colonizing the gut. In this process, candida can eat away at the intestinal walls, spread into the bloodstream, and infiltrate other tissues. The normally benign yeast has literally transformed itself into an aggressive, destructive, fungal pathogen that can cause a variety of seemingly unrelated health problems. This condition/disease is known as systemic candidiasis. SYMPTOMS & CAUSES Systemic candidiasis, as a separate disease, was not recognized or defined until the 1980's, mostly because its symptoms were so varied and duplicated those of other illnesses, leading doctors to conclude that the patient was suffering from, for example, sinusitis instead of yeast infiltration of the nasal passages. Additionally, since one of the main causes of systemic candidiasis are doctor prescribed antibiotics, which kill the intestinal bacteria that control candida, the medical profession was probably not too eager to admit the existence of this disease. Diagnoses of candidiasis were limited to its visible manifestations, e.g., a vaginal or oral yeast infection. Treatment was directed towards eradicating these conditions alone without addressing the reality of a more serious, but hidden, infection. The symptoms of candidiasis, and their severity, vary from person to person but the main ones are: chronic fatigue, especially after eating, depression, craving for breads and sugars (yeast eats sugar), extreme mood swings, feelings of rage, especially after eating sugary foods, feeling " drunk " after eating a meal high in carbohydrates (candida's waste is alcohol), hypoglycemia, excessive mucous of the throat, nose, and lungs, chronic fungal infections of the skin (jock itch, athlete's foot) or vaginal/oral thrush, diarrhea, anal itching, short-term memory loss, feeling " spacy, " and bloating or gassiness after eating. In addition to these, lymphatic swelling, difficult PMS, night sweats, chest and joint pain, memory loss, incoordination, blurred vision, intense, random headaches, intermittent vertigo, insomnia, sneezing fits, and increased food allergies are also fairly common. A person tends to get extremely sensitive to damp, mildewy environments and, sometimes, to extreme humidity as well as perfumes, colognes, and smoke. Since candida can infiltrate the urinary tract, acute kidney infections, cystitis, and prostatitis are possible. While these symptoms can indicate other illnesses, if certain factors are present in one's personal history the symptoms are likely to indicate candida overgrowth. These factors are: 1.Prolonged, or repeated, use of antibiotics, corticosteroid drugs, and/or birth control pills, at any time in the past, 2.a diet high in processed sugars which encourages candida growth, and 3.preexisting immunosuppression caused by drug or alcohol abuse, multiple blood transfusions, debilitating illness, organ transplants, or chemotherapy. All three are NOT required to bring on a case of candidiasis: excessive " sugar binging " can cause it just as surely as antibiotics can. Pregnancy also predisposes women to the condition since pregnancy alters the body's delicate hormonal and pH balance: candida thrives in an alkaline environment. Contributing factors are 1.low stomach acidity leading to poorly digested food and 2.improper bowel movements leading to prolonged retention of fecal matter in the colon: these conditions promote yeast overgrowth. A 20TH CENTURY DISEASE Candidiasis is truly a modern disease, brought on by medical " innovations " like antibiotics and the Pill and a more " civilized " diet of refined, sugary foods and candy. In some naturopathic circles, the illness is derisively known as " Candy Disease. " In all seriousness, however, candidiasis is a serious condition for two main reasons: 1.It often goes undiagnosed, allowing the yeast to spread unhampered, and 2.the numerous symptoms it produces severely tax the immune system, forcing it to deal with, not only the yeast infection, but the other conditions the yeast causes. A truly vicious cycle can ensue: a person is weakened by a candida caused problem, say cystitis, and goes to a doctor who then prescribes antibiotics for it. The drugs kill off more of the intestinal bacteria which control candida, making the candida overgrowth worse, leading to more infections and more antibiotics, etc. At its most destructive, candida can exhaust the adrenal glands, leading to 's disease, can interfere with digestion so much that virtually no nutrients are absorbed from food, and can cause life threatening infestations of the vital organs and the brain. TREATMENTS & RECOVERY The standard allopathic treatment for candidiasis is the drug Nystatin, a mold which inhibits the growth of other molds like candida. Two other popular drugs are Nizoral and Fluconazole. While these drugs certainly kill candida, they do not work forever due to candida's ability to mutate into drug resistant strains, nor do they prevent candida from coming back. Natural therapies are the most potent and effective weapons against this disease and recovery time lasts about 6 to 12 months (or longer depending on the length of time one has had the condition and the severity of symptoms). This might seem long, but once candida has colonized the body, it takes quite an effort to drive it out. Let's now take a look at the natural therapies most effective against this adaptable and extremely tenacious invader. DIGESTION The key to conquering candida is in cleaning up the digestive system, the ultimate source of the problem. In general, one must avoid constipation at all costs so high water (4-5 glasses a day) and adequate fiber intake is recommended. Drinking lots of water will also help flush the dead yeast cells out of your system as you progress with your treatment. If diarrhea is a problem, psyllium or yellow dock herb, both available in capsule form, will tighten the colon. These two herbs are also effective for constipation ? they are bowel regulators. Yellow dock is also known as a blood builder, effective for anemia and low white blood cell counts. If you decide to take yellow dock, be sure to take it separately from any herb containing tannic acid to avoid stomach upset. Supplementation with acidophilus and bifido bacteria is essential to recolonize the intestines. While these bacteria will not kill candida, they inhibit candida's growth and, generally, clean up the bowels, making it more difficult for candida to thrive. Look for a high potency supplement, either freeze dried or refrigerated, made without cow's milk. You will need to supplement heavily with these " probiotics " throughout your recovery and well after all your symptoms have gone. Chlorophyll-rich foods, like leafy green vegetables and alfalfa, also promote acidophilus growth and discourage yeast reproduction. Proper food digestion is an absolute MUST as nothing makes candida happier than putrefied, poorly digested food. Unless you have an ulcer, consider taking a digestive enzyme supplement with hydrochloric acid (HCL) immediately before or after each meal. If you have an ulcer, look for digestive enzyme supplements without HCL. Plant enzyme supplements are excellent. Both pancreatin and plant enzymes can be taken between meals to hinder yeast growth. Using digestive enzymes will help your condition dramatically and also take some stress off your pancreas which might be weary from dealing with possible candida-caused hypoglycemia. (If you notice any stomach irritation when using HCL supplements, cut back on the dose at once to prevent possible ulcer formation.) If enzyme supplements are not available, a cup of German chamomile tea just before or after eating will stimulate HCL production by the stomach. Chamomile will also ease any gassiness and/or bloating and contains potent anti-candida compounds. If you have a history of ragweed allergy do not use chamomile; fennel or cardamon are fine substitutes. Another herb to consider for digestion is wormwood. Wormwood, while extremely bitter, is probably the best digestive herb around, stimulating HCL and bile production. SIde benefits of wormwood are ridding you of any parasites, gas, nervousness, and weak stomach. Wormwood extract or tincture can be found at any health food store; take the recommended dose just before eating in a little water. CAUTION: Wormwood should not be used by pregnant women. Since the liver can get overburdened with candida's toxins because it filters the blood, cleansing this organ is essential for your recovery. Daily supplementation with hepatic herbs like, dandelion root, golden seal, wormwood, barberry, Oregon grape root, or bayberry, is highly recommended. Again, the need for increased water intake is emphasized here to facilitate internal cleansing. CAUTION: Avoid goldenseal and barberry if you are pregnant. DIETARY DO'S AND DONT'S Since candida loves sugar, it must be avoided in all its forms (dextrose, sucrose, glucose, maltose, lactose, fructose). Say goodbye to all fruits, except the low sugar ones like strawberries, cherries, and papayas which can be eaten in strict moderation. Read the label of every food product you buy to be sure there is no added sugar (a near impossible task these days!). Diet is your main weapon against candida, but also the most frustrating as you will have to give up a number of foods. Bid farewell to: wheat, rye, milk, cheese, alcoholic or caffeinated beverages, potatoes, honey, mushrooms, and vinegar: all these foods promote yeast growth or can aggravate already present yeast colonies. Keep your food well covered in the refrigerator to prevent mold formation. When eating out, be sure to ask how a dish is prepared and tell the server to hold any undesirable ingredients like soy sauce or mayonnaise. In general, a low carbohydrate diet is preferred. Carbohydrates, even complex ones, eventually break down to glucose (sugar) in the digestive tract, and sugar feeds candida. Its also adviseable to avoid the starchier vegetables like sweet potatoes, parsnips, and winter squashes. Different people, however, have different sensitivities. I've worked with patients who can handle wheat, despite a candida problem. You and your body are your best guide as to which foods to avoid. At rock bottom, however, all sugars MUST be avoided. Due to the restrictions, you may be wondering at times, " What the hell am I supposed to eat?! " Books will be listed at the end of the article to help with food selections and recipes. On the positive side, assuming you have no allergic reactions, you can enjoy all of the following: fish, poultry, meat, all vegetables, brown rice*, eggs, seeds, all nuts except cashews and peanuts, herb teas, beans* and lentils*, goat milk*, corn*, amaranth*, kamut*, quinoa*, buckwheat*, oats*, and spelt*. Check with a local health food store for sugar free breads made of kamut, millet, or spelt and consider eating corn tortillas to replace wheat bread. (*: moderate amounts only.) To ease their digestion, all nuts, seeds, and whole grains should be soaked for at least seven hours before cooking or drying. Soaking initiates the sprouting process and breaks up the enzyme inhibitors and phytates found in these foods. Contrary to popular belief, foods containing yeast may be eaten if no allergic reactions are present. Brewer's yeast, for example, is a very nutritious and immune enhancing food and can be eaten for nutritional support during one's recovery. As your symptoms disappear, you can cautiously add back the forbidden foods, one at a time and slowly. Do not eat any refined sugars for at least 6 months after your recovery. Having candidiasis once predisposes one to getting it again so be very careful after you are well. Indulging in too many foods too quickly can, as I can painfully attest to, cause a relapse. HERBS & SUPPLEMENTS The following herbs should assist in recovery: Garlic- a powerful antifungal and immune stimulant. Garlic will also help with constipation, gas, excess mucous, and blood cleansing; it is antiparasitic and hypotensive also. Some people are sensitive to garlic so increase your dosage slowly to discern any unpleasant side effects. If there are none, include it liberally in your diet, everyday. If you prefer to take garlic tablets, look for ones that are enteric coated to insure that the garlic is released deep inside the intestines where candida thrives. Golden Seal, Barberry, Oregon Grape Root- the berberine in these herbs is lethal to candida. Berberine is also a powerful immune stimulant. Don't overuse golden seal as too much will irritate the liver: take for 2 weeks on, one week off. All of these herbs can also be used to assist digestion. Golden seal can be topically applied to ringworm, and made into a tea for athlete's foot. These three herbs are excellent for urinary tract problems, being diuretic, antibacterial, and antifungal. Like wormwood, golden seal and barberry should not be used by pregnant women. Licorice root- Though not antifungal, licorice will soothe the inflamed intestines so common with candida, thus helping to prevent malabsorption of nutrients and food allergies. Licorice also tones the adrenal glands and helps regulate blood glucose, controlling sugar cravings. This herb is also excellent for excessive mucous, cough, and constipation. Astragalus- This popular Chinese herb is excellent for stimulating the immune system, essential for recovering from candida or any other infective condition. Aloe Vera- a must if sufferring from fungal skin infections. The fresh gel is effective against ringworm, jock itch, and athlete's foot and will also help heal cracked, damaged skin. Use bottled gel if the fresh herb is not available. Other useful herbs are clove, ginseng (all varieties), ginger, pau d'arco, and cinnamon. For proper doses, check the labels, but higher doses may be taken without fear of toxicity except as noted above. Tea tree oil, from Australia and New Zealand, is very deadly to candida and may be used topically for athlete's foot, jock itch, and ringworm. It can also be used as a gargle or douche when mixed with water and can be safely taken internally (3-4 drops, 3 times a day, do not exceed this dose). Be absolutely certain the brand you buy does NOT say " For external use only " on its label. Caprylic acid, a short chain fatty acid, is extremely effective against candida and is, fortunately, available over the counter at health food stores. Look for a slow release formula of about 300-500 mg. and arrange for a dose of 500 to 1000 mg. with each meal. Colloidal silver, and the newer olive leaf extract, are excellent antifungal agents and lethal to candida. Though expensive, my clients have had excellent results with these products. Look for a silver supplement of at least 40 ppm with a micron size of no more than .001. Follow the instructions on the labels for the correct doasages. Oxygen is an antifungal compound. Taking stabilized oxygen products, like flavored peroxide combinations found in health food stores, can also be employed in one's recovery. The latest in candida treatment are enteric coated essential oils. Oregano, peppermint, and rosemary oils are all extremely powerful against candida and some supplement companies already have formulas using these oils on the market. Oregano oil is estimated at being 100 times more powerful than caprylic acid. Be prepared for some explosive diarrhea when using this product. As the yeast cells die, the body makes every effort to expel them. Vitamin/mineral supplementation is a good idea to not only insure that adequate nutrients are ingested, but also to help the immune system fight the infection. The following are suggested daily guidelines. For individual needs, its best to see a health practitioner who is familiar with approaching candidiasis: Vitamin A (as retinol and beta carotene)- 75,000 iu; vitamin C- 3 to 5 gms.; selenium- 200 mcg.; zinc- 50 mg.; vitamin E- 400 iu; iron- 10 mg.; essential fatty acids- 4 gms; high potency multi vitamin/mineral- 1 a day. One particularly useful nutrient is the free-form amino acid glutamine. Glutamine is very pivotal in maintaining proper muscle mass, brain function, intestinal integrity, and stable blood sugar levels. It is often prescribed to recovering alcoholics by natural therapists to control alcohol cravings. 1-3 grams before each meal is suggested. Glutamine is excellent for helping to heal leaky gut syndrome, a very common symptom of intestinal candidiasis. Also, since weight loss is usual with severe candida infestations, this amino acid helps protect against muscle loss. Glutamine is also very stimulating to the immune system. Do everything you can, then, to acquire it and be diligent about taking it. There are homeopathic preparations of Candida albicans on the market. From personal and professional experience, you have to be very careful with these products as they can cause a severe Herxheimer Reaction, or temporary worsening of your symptoms due to the rapid die off of yeast cells in the body. The best way to use homeopathics is to start with a weaker preparation of about 12X potency, and gradually work your way up to more powerful doses ? 30C and above. A slow build up avoids the unpleasant hassle of aggravated die off. You will sometimes feel like a walking medicine chest from all of the supplements, herbs, probiotics, and antifungal products you'll be taking. Inconvenience aside, it is necessary as candida is a very tenacious organism. You must be persistent and unwavering in your efforts to recover or you will get nowhere; the total approach is necessary. DIE OFF When you take away candida's food, sugar, and attack the yeast with herbs and supplements, it will die, causing a condition known as die off. Die off will last from a few days to a few weeks and the severity of symptoms will vary from person to person. Usually present are nausea, headaches, gas, irritability, diarrhea, severe energy loss, sugar cravings, and blurred vision. Exercise and water will reduce your symptoms by flushing the dead yeast cells more quickly from your system. Use your herbs smartly as many of those listed before can help, e.g., cinnamon or clove tea will help allay nausea and gas, as well as help disinfect your digestive tract. YOUR GREATEST WEAPON As a former candida sufferer, and a naturopath who has dealt with affected individuals, I can confidently tell you that your greatest weapons against it are your diet and your patience. Frustration is likely to run high during your recovery as candida is an incredibly tenacious organism. Stick it out, however, and know that you will eventually recover for the rewards are great. SOURCES & RECOMMENDED READING The Candida Directory and Cookbook by Helen Gustafson and Helen O'Shea. 1992; Celestial Arts Publishing. The Yeast Connection by Crook, M.D.. 1986; Vintage Books. Candida Albicans: Could Yeast Be Your Problem? by Leon Chaitow, N.D. 1985; Thorsons, U.K. " Ping Li " <Li_Ping@note s.cat.com> cc: Subject: Re: [ ] Hi 11/20/01 11:14 AM Please respond to Autism-Mercur y Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 12/20/2001 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports , Pfeiffer does help me treat the yeast, but I didn't absolutely follow them. I gave my son nystatin for almost three month at beginning. I saw some yeast die off reaction. But his yeast never went away. When I loaded him on cilantro and the metal was stirred up and dumpped out, his yeast was totally out of control. Later, I read some paper regarding the yeast. Yeast is a big issue to our kids. If we always use drug to treat them, we never can get rid of it. The problem with " killing the yeast " is that you never kill all the yeast because a certain amount of yeast belongs in the colon. Normal people also have yeast. Since just one candida can become 10 million in ten hours, it jsut comes back once the antibiotic is stopped. The only way to get rid of yeast is to balance the gut environment which is right now what we are doing to add more probiotics and recover the organ normal function which is to get rid of the heavy metal toxicity. Antibiotics only make yeast more resistantable and more difficult to treat it. I am right now not treating my son's yeast. I tolerate his hyper and over energetic. I am doing the chelation and load him lots lots of strong probiotics. I know there are a lot of new kids joining the autism list, but I don't know the AutismNews in Chicago land. I am living in west surburban of Chicago. I may be too busy to run for my life here. My husband is a consultant and traveling every week and I am a full time working mom with this little autistic sweetheart. If you have some information or webaddress, please pass to me. Blesses! 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Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Ping, I can relate so much to your situation regarding the yeast. My son seems to have the same yeast thing with the laughing at 1:00am (I don't know if you have this specifically) and being soooooo loud and hyper at times. I am currently treating him with Primal Defense and Biocidin to make sure I'm addressing his yeast AND bacteria problems. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Hi My daughter gets giggly at odd times and places if she has bananas. Since I stopped bananas, this has gone away! Just a thought.... Jacqui Re: [ ] Hi Ping, I can relate so much to your situation regarding the yeast. My son seems to have the same yeast thing with the laughing at 1:00am (I don't know if you have this specifically) and being soooooo loud and hyper at times. I am currently treating him with Primal Defense and Biocidin to make sure I'm addressing his yeast AND bacteria problems. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 , I have the same experience with my son. I used to only get two hours sleep a day, because my son's sleep pattern was aweful. He is much better now. But occasionally, he gets up and plays and runs all around the house in the mid-night even 2-3:00am. I get use to it now. I am using primal defense 2 capsules a day and acidophilus and 1/4 teaspoon Europen probiotics. Biocidin and biotonic is given twice a day also. I will test his stool and blood, hair and urine at the year end. Hope I will see some improvement. Ping snickolJuno (DOT) com cc: 11/20/01 Subject: Re: [ ] Hi 05:01 PM Please respond to Autism-Mercur y Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 12/20/2001 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports Ping, I can relate so much to your situation regarding the yeast. My son seems to have the same yeast thing with the laughing at 1:00am (I don't know if you have this specifically) and being soooooo loud and hyper at times. I am currently treating him with Primal Defense and Biocidin to make sure I'm addressing his yeast AND bacteria problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Hello Amir, >I am new to the list as we were diagnosed about a month ago. I >joined the list to see what various people are doing with regards to >mercury poisoning. Good! Welcome. I am curious how you found the list? > Some of the mail I am reading scares me a bit. >It seems that some kids do not take so well to the chelation >therapy. How dangerous is chelation? I find that difficult to answer. I think chelation is safer than being mercury toxic. I also think some methods of detox are unnecessarily problematic. (I'll pick on DMPS injections as an example.) Mercury poisoning generally scares me A LOT. It seems the more I know, the more scarry I find mercury poisoning to be. In fact (oh excuse me for getting off track here) just yesterday I read a write up about someone who was ill from what sounded dead-on like mercury poioning. I actually took the newsletter off the bulletin board to see about contacting the person, but, reading on farther, I learned that he died already. I'm not making this up, and I'm not exaggerating. Of course, the article said nothing about mercury at all. Like I said, excuse me for getting off track, but I find knowing about mercury poisoing can be darned disturbing. I guess I'd say feeling scarred is pretty reasonable-- there are risks involved, and you are new so you are hearing stuff that I presume doesn't make a lot of sense (yet). I can also suggest that you listen for " the good side " , which is pretty impressive. If you'd like to read about that, you can look here: /files/LOVE_LETTERS > How do you avoid chelation of >necessary heavy metals such as copper, iron and zinc (to name a >few). Um-- I think it is not a problem, but am not equipped to really explain this. I think DMSA/ALA/DMPS don't really effect these elements very much. > Is the research out there substantiated? There is VERY little research or anything like it as regards autism and mercury. A few studies have been funded but not completed yet. There are some studies of things like chelation agents. There is lots of research on mercury poisoning and how truely awful it is. If you like to read research, you can look at Bernie's website: http://home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/ Bernie is very big on research-- he is a toxics researcher, and a DAMS coordinator (that is an anti-amalgam group), and has hundreds of papers and articles referenced. (Amalgam dental fillings are one of the main ways that people get mercury toxic-- along with vaccines.) > Which mercury >testing assays are the most accurate? I'm working hard not to give a snide answer here. Yikes. The method I'd recommend is to get a hair test, processed through DDI, and use " the counting rules " . You'll find it here: /files/Counting%2BRules best, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Ping, Do you see a correlation between your son sleeping better and the usage of these supplements? Maybe his gut is getting better. I think I notice a pattern in sleep being poor when my son gets too much sugar (natural sugars from fruit and such) . What is Europen probiotics and biotonic? Did you get these through Pfieffer? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2001 Report Share Posted November 26, 2001 , Sorry for the late response. My company email address can be checked only at work. I am back to work now and also back to list. My son's gut is getting better. At the very beginning, his test told us he was allergic to not only gluten, casein, also corn, egg, orange, mustard, cashew, etc. Now he can eat egg. I didn't test him. This was told by my kineziologist. He eats eggs and I didn't notice anything. His sleep pattern is much better now even though he still has bad yeast problem. The Europen probiotics is a very strong probiotics I got from another DAN doctor we are seeing right now. I think many listmates know him. He is ph Mercola. His web site is www.mercola.com. He currently includes 15 autistic kids in a group doing this probiotic study. My son is one of them. He got all these strong bugs from Europe. I got biotonic and biocidin from Pfeiffer. The web site is http://www.biobotanicalresearch.com. Ping snickolJuno (DOT) com cc: 11/22/01 Subject: Re: [ ] Hi 09:10 PM Please respond to Autism-Mercur y Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 12/22/2001 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports Ping, Do you see a correlation between your son sleeping better and the usage of these supplements? Maybe his gut is getting better. I think I notice a pattern in sleep being poor when my son gets too much sugar (natural sugars from fruit and such) . What is Europen probiotics and biotonic? Did you get these through Pfieffer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 hi Hi I am a new member to this list and a complete beginner so please forgive all my questions. I am really inspired by chelation but find it quite an intimidating area. I live in London, England and we do not have DAN doctors here. How do I start the process of chelating TESTS? Are doctors in America willing to work over the phone? Hope someone can put me on the right track Thank you x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 >Hi I am a new member to this list and a complete beginner so please forgive all my questions. I am really inspired by chelation but find it quite an intimidating area. I live in London, England and we do not have DAN doctors here. >How do I start the process of chelating >TESTS? >Are doctors in America willing to work over the phone? Hello x, I will answer the parts I can. Ask all the questions you want, some will get answered and some won't. Don't be put off. Sometimes people don't know, sometimes they are busy, sometimes there is too much to say and no place to start. But keep asking. As I understand it MDs (in US) are not ALLOWED to work by phone. They have to SEE THE PERSON (in person) whom they are treating, or else they can get into all sorts of trouble. Some doctors will work on the phone or by email AFTER they have seen you in person, although I'd guess this is unusual. I've heard that Dr. Amy Holmes will do this, and you don't have to see her very often. (Her contact info is in the FAQ for this list). But, she also has a VERY VERY long waiting list (it runs in months..... I am not exaggerating.) As for tests to see if your child is mercury/metal toxic, read here: /files/HOW_TO_hair_test /files/Counting%2BRules I *think* that you can get a hair test through DDI or DLS from the UK..... You can also ask about doctors (etc) on the list: -BioMed-UK/ The comments there tend (I think) to mirror what you just said, that there is not a lot available. Then again, the comments from people in the US also mirror this sentiment. Some things are the same all over Anyway, if anyone would know of useful docs in UK, they would I'd think. There are also people from UK (and many other countries) on this list. From my own experience and what I've read, I would say that most people do feel very intimidated by chelation. Stick around though, some parts will start to sound easier, while other things (stuff you never knew to even wonder about) will sound harder. I almost gave up on trying to sort it out, myself, but now it seems actually pretty SIMPLE to me. Don't expect it to all make sense overnight, as it will not! I guess what I mean is " good luck " and please hang in with it-- it is a steep learning curve....but it doesn't go on FOREVER. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Hi x, Not that you need a DAN docotor, but if you would like to learn about many things for your child, education, medical information, diet, ect, Dr. Jeff Bradstreet, Dr. Jerry Kartzinel and your own Dr. Wakefield will be in England teaching these things. Forgive me I cannot remember the dates but you can go to thier website and read information and email Emma for dates, place, and cost. www.gnd.org or www.kirkmanlabs.com and using the links go to Good news doctors web site. Good luck! Cabbie hi > > > Hi I am a new member to this list and a complete beginner so please forgive all my questions. I am really inspired by chelation but find it quite an intimidating area. I live in London, England and we do not have DAN doctors here. > How do I start the process of chelating > TESTS? > Are doctors in America willing to work over the phone? > > Hope someone can put me on the right track > Thank you > x > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 I think he and Dave can both have it all back!!! I hate this weather....DIANE!!!! How R ya?? I miss ya but see you up to your same sweet talkin..LOL.....I finally got back from bringing my freind and her son for Dr appts..Now I'm beat..Hummmm think I deserve a nap with having ran the roads for her the past 2 days not counting putting up with the hubby too!!!!!! Oh yes I do deserve a break!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2002 Report Share Posted February 26, 2002 Your winter came to Texas and you can have it back. It's about 38 right now, with a strong north wind. In fact I need to go cover my plants,as it's going to be in the 20s the next couple of nights. Of course you have a lot more of these cold days so I'll take some of it off your hands for a day or two. Sharon --- Dennis <dhuber@...> wrote: > Hi Everyone > > I took vacation this afternoon because it is such a > nice day - 60 degrees. I guess by this time > tomorrow we will be getting the cold wave that is > now chilling Dave in Green Bay. I just bled and > adjusted the brakes on my truck. Have to put up a > shelf for Judy and then go get some groceries. The > hens are even outside scratching in the leaves - all > the snow is gone. But I know we're not done with > winter yet. Got to get back out there. > Later > > Dennis > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 <P> & nbsp; & nbsp; Good hearing from you Dennis, Living in southwest Az in the city we don't hear many birds. Sure glad you are enjoying them. <P> & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; Terry <P> & nbsp; <B><I>Dennis & lt;dhuber@... & gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " > <META content= " MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000 " name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi </FONT></DIV> <DIV> & nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Just wanted to say hi & nbsp; to everyone. & nbsp; I'm ok - tired most of the time and all that. & nbsp; The knee is slowly improving. & nbsp; The birds are all coming back now. & nbsp; The wood thrush and the phoebe start sing just before 5 AM, when I am checking e-mail - makes my day. & nbsp; They are a pleasure to me. & nbsp; If you have never heard a wood thrush or & nbsp;a verry you & nbsp;really missing a wonderful experience. & nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dave - how's the g-tar ? & nbsp; I picked up the banjo the other day and found out I couldn't play anything. & nbsp; I should get back into it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> & nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Be well,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dennis</FONT></DIV><BR><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0> <TBODY> <TR bgColor=#ffffcc> <TD align=middle><FONT color=#003399 size=-1><B> Groups Sponsor</B></FONT></TD></TR> <TR bgColor=#ffffff> <TD align=middle width=470> <FORM action=http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=170510\ 3589:HM/A=1046314/R=0/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 method=get target=_top><INPUT type=hidden value=3225 name=code> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD align=middle><FONT face=arial size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</FONT><BR> <TABLE height=250 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 bgColor=#ff6600 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width=300 colSpan=2><A href= " http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705103\ 589:HM/A=1046314/R=1/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 " ><IMG height=102 src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ed/ediets/06042002_300x250_orange_01.gi\ f " width=300 border=0></A></TD></TR> <TR> <TD vAlign=top align=right width=110><A href= " http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705103\ 589:HM/A=1046314/R=2/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 " ><IMG height=147 alt= " " src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ed/ediets/06042002_300x250_orange_02.gi\ f " width=109 border=0></A></TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left width=190 border= " 0 " > <TABLE height=147 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=189 bgColor=#ffffff border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Height:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<SELECT name=htft> <OPTION value=4>4<OPTION value=5 selected>5<OPTION value=6>6<OPTION value=7>7</OPTION></SELECT> & nbsp;<FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=1>ft</FONT> <SELECT name=htin> <OPTION value=0>0<OPTION value=1>1<OPTION value=2>2<OPTION value=3>3<OPTION value=4 selected>4<OPTION value=5>5<OPTION value=6>6<OPTION value=7>7<OPTION value=8>8<OPTION value=9>9<OPTION value=10>10<OPTION value=11>11</OPTION></SELECT> <FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=1>in</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Weight:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<INPUT maxLength=3 size=7 name=wt></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Sex:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<INPUT type=radio CHECKED value=female name=sex> <FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=1>F</FONT> <INPUT type=radio value=male name=sex> <FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=1>M</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=middle colSpan=2><INPUT type=submit value= " Submit Now " ></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>\ </FORM></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><IMG height=1 alt= " " src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupmai\ l/S=1705103589:HM/A=1046314/rand=817503937 " width=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --><BR><TT> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2002 Report Share Posted May 10, 2002 <P> I'm hearing the birds in the morning too. I picked up my guitar yesterday too, after leaving it alone for a week or so. I haven't been working on it too well, just futzing around enough to remember where the chords are.. I'm up early this morning, so I may get a little practice. My discipline is not too great.. & nbsp; & nbsp; & nbsp; -dz- <P> & nbsp; <B><I>Dennis & lt;dhuber@... & gt;</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style= " PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid " > <META content= " MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000 " name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi </FONT></DIV> <DIV> & nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Just wanted to say hi & nbsp; to everyone. & nbsp; I'm ok - tired most of the time and all that. & nbsp; The knee is slowly improving. & nbsp; The birds are all coming back now. & nbsp; The wood thrush and the phoebe start sing just before 5 AM, when I am checking e-mail - makes my day. & nbsp; They are a pleasure to me. & nbsp; If you have never heard a wood thrush or & nbsp;a verry you & nbsp;really missing a wonderful experience. & nbsp; </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dave - how's the g-tar ? & nbsp; I picked up the banjo the other day and found out I couldn't play anything. & nbsp; I should get back into it.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> & nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Be well,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Dennis</FONT></DIV><BR><!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 border=0> <TBODY> <TR bgColor=#ffffcc> <TD align=middle><FONT color=#003399 size=-1><B> Groups Sponsor</B></FONT></TD></TR> <TR bgColor=#ffffff> <TD align=middle width=470> <FORM action=http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=170510\ 3589:HM/A=1046314/R=0/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 method=get target=_top><INPUT type=hidden value=3225 name=code> <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD align=middle><FONT face=arial size=-2>ADVERTISEMENT</FONT><BR> <TABLE height=250 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=300 bgColor=#ff6600 border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD width=300 colSpan=2><A href= " http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705103\ 589:HM/A=1046314/R=1/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 " ><IMG height=102 src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ed/ediets/06042002_300x250_orange_01.gi\ f " width=300 border=0></A></TD></TR> <TR> <TD vAlign=top align=right width=110><A href= " http://rd./M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupweb/S=1705103\ 589:HM/A=1046314/R=2/*http://www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3225 " ><IMG height=147 alt= " " src= " http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ed/ediets/06042002_300x250_orange_02.gi\ f " width=109 border=0></A></TD> <TD vAlign=top align=left width=190 border= " 0 " > <TABLE height=147 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=189 bgColor=#ffffff border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Height:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<SELECT name=htft> <OPTION value=4>4<OPTION value=5 selected>5<OPTION value=6>6<OPTION value=7>7</OPTION></SELECT> & nbsp;<FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=1>ft</FONT> <SELECT name=htin> <OPTION value=0>0<OPTION value=1>1<OPTION value=2>2<OPTION value=3>3<OPTION value=4 selected>4<OPTION value=5>5<OPTION value=6>6<OPTION value=7>7<OPTION value=8>8<OPTION value=9>9<OPTION value=10>10<OPTION value=11>11</OPTION></SELECT> <FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=1>in</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Weight:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<INPUT maxLength=3 size=7 name=wt></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=right><FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=2><B>Sex:</B></FONT></TD> <TD> & nbsp;<INPUT type=radio CHECKED value=female name=sex> <FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=1>F</FONT> <INPUT type=radio value=male name=sex> <FONT face=Arial color=#cc6600 size=1>M</FONT></TD></TR> <TR> <TD align=middle colSpan=2><INPUT type=submit value= " Submit Now " ></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>\ </FORM></TD></TR> <TR> <TD><IMG height=1 alt= " " src= " http://us.adserver./l?M=194081.2053425.3521449.1829184/D=egroupmai\ l/S=1705103589:HM/A=1046314/rand=817503937 " width=1></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --><BR><TT> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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