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once I got sick my immune system went haywire have to be carefull what I

eat and smell and be around

In a message dated 12/22/2010 1:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

svican@... writes:

& I think there is a connection, WDBs emit VOCs too, as well, once the

immune system is damaged, it reacts to more and more stuff.. sue v.

>After mold, VOC's are my worst enemy. They don't get alot of print time

>here because mold is our primary issue and VOC's are in some ways easier

>to avoid than mold but when they are present I am so sick. I throw up

>and get jelly legs when I'm in the presence of VOC's. New cars kill me

>as do any kind of new plastic item. It's as serious and as damaging to

>me as mold.

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Hi Kate,

Good luck with your healing journey, I am sorry that you and your teen

son are sick, my own son got sick at age 16 and is still sick at age 21

so I know how hard it is to have a sick teen, really really hard at times.

Merry Xmas and may healing come your way in 2011.

Sue V.

>Thanks for the details. Internal colonization is also a consideration.

>Cutting down on sugars helps all around if one is willing and able to do

>that. Good probiotics!

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& I think there is a connection, WDBs emit VOCs too, as well, once the

immune system is damaged, it reacts to more and more stuff.. sue v.

>After mold, VOC's are my worst enemy. They don't get alot of print time

>here because mold is our primary issue and VOC's are in some ways easier

>to avoid than mold but when they are present I am so sick. I throw up

>and get jelly legs when I'm in the presence of VOC's. New cars kill me

>as do any kind of new plastic item. It's as serious and as damaging to

>me as mold.

>

>

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i just posted my story last night on what mold has done to me. made me reactive

to sooooo many things, including cars. last year i became less sensitive and

stopped reacting to being indoors and lots of things by doing foot baths (simply

cilantro and distilled water for ten minutes) to remove the toxins in my body

and taking probiotics and nutritional supplements. i'm doing that this year

too, but it's taking longer this time because i got so much mold exposure and

got so weak and even more immune compromised. i'm getting less sensitive by

micro steps.

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Ck drclaudiamiller.com and read about TILT.

According to TILT a single trigger can start a generalized series of sensitivity

and reactions. Just because it can happen doesn't mean it always will. Just

because it is rare doesn't mean it has not or cannot happened to you or me.

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

(fm my Blackberry)

Spam[4] [] Re: Cross contamination

Sue, several years ago I talked with someone at Dr. Rhea's clinic on the phone,

she was very nice but I dont recall her name.

basicly what she said is ofcorse we get sensitive to what we were exposed to in

the WDB but also she believed that other things that were were exposed to at the

same time of our exposure, like particles from car pollution, that may be in our

lungs at the time,things like that we might also become sensitive to.

thats makes sence to me, I just dont see becomeing more sensitive to more things

unless your exposed to a high amount of something after your initial

exposure,maybe so if we get out and continue to have exposures to other

chemicals but I dont see that with myself.

from what I've realized sence my exposure I am reactive to the same things I've

always been reactive to with some getting better, some going away and some just

pretty much as bad as they've always been.

with me voc's from many things includeing mold exposures have always knocked me

for a loop, I cant even say that I tolerate many voc's better than before, only

that I've learned to avoid a lot of them and thankfully family has learned to

never ever come to my home if your reaking purfumes or you'll go right back out

the door because I wont take it very well at all.

I cant help the way it affects me which can be anywhere from makeing me severly

aggitated to stuttering and really not being about to say much at all and just

trying to stay standing.

maybe over all it's getting better, but some things I just dont care to test to

find out.

not long ago I thought I'd die my hair, the time before that I got through it by

doing it outside and keeping a wet washrag over my nose and mouth as much as

possable, maybe the chemicals in that brand weren't as strong as the ones the

last time, no matter what I couldn't take it and was outside, faceing the wind,

ect. I had to wash it out, and it zapped me pretty good. while I was outside

trying to recooperate, I knew my balance was pretty much non-existing, but even

after quite some time I thought I'd check it out and got on my grandsons bike. I

couldn't balance it enough to even get my feet on the peddles and off the

ground. at one point I finally went a little ways but I just started falling

over sideways, weird, I thought the motion of the bike and just setting on it

would be anough but it wasn't, I couldn't ride a bike because I had no balance.

just thought I'd share that story because it was just weird. the coughing had

finnaly stoped and I could breath again but it to

ok along time for my balance to get better. these kind of exposures just zap my

energy and my day is basicly done after one of those, that now is the main

reason I avoid getting out much. I did make a quick trip into kmart the other

day, and it wasn't to bad, but bad enough that I defences kick in and I caught

myself breathing very shallow and holding my breath alot, I do that alot. I

quickly walked past all the xmas stuff, it huts not to be able to go shoping

exspecially at this time of year, hopefully sometimes I well be able to do this

again.

anyway, maybe I'm different but I just dont see becomeing sensitive to more and

more things, is it possable that we just start relizeing more and more things

that we are sensitive to? unmasking and realization, maybe?

it's been a long road but the thought of becomeing more sensitive to more things

instead of becomeing less sensitive to the things I'm already sensitive to ,

would be horriable.

I wondered for along time about weither we become reactive to more stuff or

weither we are just reactive to what we were exposed to which can be in many

things, exspecially with voc's.

I read a few studies that say we are only reactive to what weve been exposed to

during our exposure.

I'm thinking thats probably true, is there some studies or something you can

point me to that might show different?

>

> & I think there is a connection, WDBs emit VOCs too, as well, once the

> immune system is damaged, it reacts to more and more stuff.. sue v.

>

> >After mold, VOC's are my worst enemy.

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Yes you can become reactive to more and more things. Im reactive to all sorts of

natural things now like any smelling plant. Reactions arent severe as some, but

even smelling plants now cause inflammation in my system. Im reactive to plants

that i had not encountered before as well as those i had encountered during

exposure... Its all about the state of the immune system, liver etc etc i guess.

Most people probably dont get this reactive.

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I do that

Janet

In a message dated 12/25/2010 8:26:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

surellabaer@... writes:

I just started to react to library books-the dust maybe or where they've

been stored? I've been sick for about 5 years and suddenly, books!

Anyway, I am reading with the book in a plastic bag now. Yay for me.

>

> Yes you can become reactive to more and more things. Im reactive to all

sorts of natural things now like any smelling plant. Reactions arent severe

as some, but even smelling plants now cause inflammation in my system. Im

reactive to plants that i had not encountered before as well as those i had

encountered during exposure... Its all about the state of the immune

system, liver etc etc i guess. Most people probably dont get this reactive.

>

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If I am in a moldy building too long even with my mask on, I lose ability

to think to speak groggy and asthma starts

Janet

In a message dated 12/26/2010 5:05:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

jeaninem660@... writes:

mycotoxins may cause neuron death, that would be different than a neuron

that is programmed to a certain chemical, isn't it?

if fell it's important to know because if people think they have a

reaction to mycotoxins in that way, what I guess is the brain fog result of

thousands of delayed neurons being realeased at the same time after build up of

a

few miliseconds. what they actually may be reacting to is the voc's of

mold.

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me too Janet, I never found much relief from any masks, the full face masks made

the breathing process harder for me and I'd start felling worse because of even

more restricted airflow to my lungs. it was a trade off, less particle exposure

vs. more lung restriction. and things that off gass or voc's seemed to go right

on through sometimes, I gave up on masks quite some time ago.

>

> If I am in a moldy building too long even with my mask on, I lose ability

> to think to speak groggy and asthma starts

> Janet

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> In a message dated 12/26/2010 5:05:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> jeaninem660@... writes:

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> mycotoxins may cause neuron death, that would be different than a neuron

> that is programmed to a certain chemical, isn't it?

> if fell it's important to know because if people think they have a

> reaction to mycotoxins in that way, what I guess is the brain fog result of

> thousands of delayed neurons being realeased at the same time after build up

of a

> few miliseconds. what they actually may be reacting to is the voc's of

> mold.

>

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