Detoxing

[Guest guest]

,

There are whole websites and support groups devoted to detoxing Candida

and a candida diet. It is a struggle to deal with candida--one that

sometimes takes drastic measures in diet. One lady wrote that she ate

nothing but raw meat for 2 years to get rid of it. Drastic? Very!

There are anti-fungal drugs that are often prescribed too, such as

Diflucan and Nystatin.

However, I found a reference to caprylic acid in a book put out by the

folks at Alternative Medicine Magazine, and it stated that candida was

eliminated in 100% of the test subjects in a study in which 3600mg of

Carpylic acid was used for a minimum of 14 days by each one of them.

That was a delightful find. I did it right away--that was a number of

years ago--and I have to say I really don't think candida has been an

issue for me all these years. I've taken caprylic acid several times in

that amount for prevention, but I think the most important thing I've

done is add in the probiotics and kefir.

Taking the pills and watching your diet is the main thing with candida.

But you may want to try caprylic acid first if it is cheaper. You may

have a reaction, but that would mean it's working. I'm sure some of

the other ladies can chime in on their experiences too.

Patty

>

> I was interested i learning more about this detoxing Candida program.

> I found the Harmony Formula website and i was curious if this can

have

> any negative effects? I have a pretty good idea of what the purpose

of

> this is but could someone please give me a quick summary how it

works.

> Do i need to do anything besides take the pills and watch my diet? I

> apologize Im sure you have been asked this a million times but i

> couldn't seem to find anything in detail in previous posts and i get

> nervous taking things if Im not sure what they are.

>

> Thanks,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you patty, Im not even sure if candida is an issue for me but

im sure there are ways i can find out.

> >

> > I was interested i learning more about this detoxing Candida

program.

> > I found the Harmony Formula website and i was curious if this

can

> have

> > any negative effects? I have a pretty good idea of what the

purpose

> of

> > this is but could someone please give me a quick summary how it

> works.

> > Do i need to do anything besides take the pills and watch my

diet? I

> > apologize Im sure you have been asked this a million times but i

> > couldn't seem to find anything in detail in previous posts and i

get

> > nervous taking things if Im not sure what they are.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

,

Are you working with a doctor that can order a candida test?

Ladies, have any of you had tests by a doctor that proved candida was

an issue for you?

I guess I just realized I don't even know if there is a candida test!

I think the only test I've heard of is the spit test, done at home

and not scientifically sound. I think I did that test, with my

children as controls way back, and we all had the same result! My

kids are very healthy, so I didn't really put alot of stock in the

spit test.

Patty

> > >

> > > I was interested i learning more about this detoxing Candida

> program.

> > > I found the Harmony Formula website and i was curious if this

> can

> > have

> > > any negative effects? I have a pretty good idea of what the

> purpose

> > of

> > > this is but could someone please give me a quick summary how it

> > works.

> > > Do i need to do anything besides take the pills and watch my

> diet? I

> > > apologize Im sure you have been asked this a million times but

i

> > > couldn't seem to find anything in detail in previous posts and

i

> get

> > > nervous taking things if Im not sure what they are.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty,

Women seldom get far with doctor when asking for a Candida test.

Doctors say that everyone has Candida (true), so the test won't mean anything . . .

For most doctors, it has to be something they can see with their own eyes before they will treat it. Thrush, vaginal, toenail, etc.

However, it's not the presence of Candida, but the imbalance that causes a problem.

What I like about the spit test is that it gives quick feed back that correlates to how closely one is treating for fungal issues and managing their diet. . . and it's free!

For myself, based on how I feel, I can pretty much predict how my spit test will look.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

,

I don't recall the Harmony program being brought up before . . .

But, regardless of what pills go with a Candida program, you'll have to watch your diet - and include probiotics if you want long-term results.

Some programs make it sound easy . . . But, if you have a sugar habit, it's never going to be easy! . . .

Personally, I think it works better if you start by finding healthy foods you ENJOY . . . keep expanding those and let them until the crowd the bad foods out of your life. . . You don't want to feel restricted . . You want to enjoy foods that will keep you healthy for life.

Hugs,

Rogene

[Guest guest]

No, to be honest i got so sick and tired of my doctors looking at me

like i had three heads because i kept complaining but they could

find nothing wrong. I finally just stopped going and have been

dealing with the stomach issues and chest pressure. I guess i am

just hoping that this will go away once the implants are out but I

also want to be prepared if i do have to detox. As far as i know all

of my blood work has come back fine and believe me i have had tons

of blood work done but i have not had anything close to the tests

the the women on this site have had done. Im not even sure i know

what half of them are.

> > > >

> > > > I was interested i learning more about this detoxing Candida

> > program.

> > > > I found the Harmony Formula website and i was curious if

this

> > can

> > > have

> > > > any negative effects? I have a pretty good idea of what the

> > purpose

> > > of

> > > > this is but could someone please give me a quick summary how

it

> > > works.

> > > > Do i need to do anything besides take the pills and watch my

> > diet? I

> > > > apologize Im sure you have been asked this a million times

but

> i

> > > > couldn't seem to find anything in detail in previous posts

and

> i

> > get

> > > > nervous taking things if Im not sure what they are.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi : Would you go into more detail about what happened when your body went in to detox? Thanks, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote: Absolutely. That is what happened to me. I felt better on 50 mgs and slept better. Then I went to 100 mgs and it was incredible - until I crashed 7 days later because my body began detoxing. So there can be a cycle of ups and downs. But now that I am past the 4 weeks of

detoxing I am loving the 100 mgs. I miss it when I do not take it. You are not imagining things. It is true. Iodine questions from newby> Hi to everyone on the list!> I am in the process today of taking the iodine loading test. I awoke> at about 6 am and took my 50 mgs of iodoral. I laid back down for a> while and didn't know anything for an hour and a half. It was the> sweetest sleep I've had in so long!>>?< Did anyone else experience better sleep?> Also found I was reading without my glasses.>>?< Anyone else have a change in vision?> I had a feeling of well-being and positivity that

has been missing for> a long time. My hot flashes left me for a while, and seem milder now> that they are coming back.> I felt a "let-down" feeling sometime in the neighborhood of noon to 2> pm, and had thoughts like "I want some more." (iodine), and reminded> myself I could not take more as I am still testing.> I had only painted myself with povodone, and taken 3/4 of one iodoral> in a single day before this test. Even that made me feel better. I had> never taken 50 before and frankly was a little scared of it.>>?< What is the highest dose anyone has ever heard of being taken?> I am having no side effects. Maybe because I don't eat bread, since I> am celiac. But only for almost two years.>>?< Is it too early to expect side affects?> I know this is a lot of questions mushed into one message, but I had a> profound good feeling this morning, and I am really excited

about it.> I am considering taking 100 mgs tomorrow, split into two or three doses.>>?< Any comments on that?> Thanks for being there!> Robin> New Mexico>>> ------------------------------------>>>>>

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> Dear Bee,

>

> I have been going through some hellish die off and so I've amplified

> my detoxing (epsom salt baths, enemas and dry brushing; 9 day)

>

> With regard to the 9 day, I began yesterday only eating broth

besides

> the early morning Bee drink - today I tried to puree chicken and

> veggies around dinner time. I tried to puree it with my blender and

> it wasnt working and so I ate it anyway. My digestion seems more

> upset than usual. Should I try to stick with the egg drink for all

my

> meals tomorrow?

==>It is easier to puree ground meats. You can have a liquid diet

for many days without any ill effects. I did that 4 years ago and

came through it just fine! When your stomach is upset take 1/4 tsp

baking soda in water and sip it until your stomach feels better.

Ensure you are also taking Betaine Hydrochloric Acid supplements.

>

> Also, my initial symptoms which caused me to increase detox are flu

> like. My cheek bones are so painful, I figure its some sort of

poison

> stuck in the tissue of my face. Of course this comes with loads of

> mucous and congestion. Is there anything you would recommend? I

> tried garlic drops in the ears. I was wondering if I can use VCO.

> Maybe I could massage vco into my face?

==>Flu-like symptoms are very typical of die-off symptoms!!! So you

are presenting a classic case. Yes you can massage vco into your

face, or even rub cod liver oil into it. Also try mixing oil of

oregano 50/50 with coconut oil and rub it into your face where it

hurts, but carefully avoid your eyes. Oil of oregano is just as

powerful a pain killer as morphine, and it is also an antioxidant,

antifungal, etc. Afterward apply wet heat to your face to help the

solution to sink in. OR mix cod liver oil, oil of oregano and

coconut oil together.

>

> Also, I am wondering if it is normal that I feel so overheated in

the bath that I have to get out a few times. I don't think I'm

making the twenty minute mark. When I get out I'm very dizzy and

usually go and rest on the bed. I experience extremely intense (loud

but within) pulsing in my body. Do you think that's the heat? or

detoxing?

==>The water is probably too hot. Cool it down to a more comfortable

level and you won't have problems. Let me know how it goes.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

>

when on the anti-candida diet,can we drink green tea?

> ,

>

> I don't recall the Harmony program being brought up before . . .

>

> But, regardless of what pills go with a Candida program, you'll have to watch

your diet - and include probiotics if you want long-term results.

>

> Some programs make it sound easy . . . But, if you have a sugar habit, it's

never going to be easy! . . .

>

> Personally, I think it works better if you start by finding healthy foods you

ENJOY . . . keep expanding those and let them until the crowd the bad foods out

of your life. . . You don't want to feel restricted . . You want to enjoy foods

that will keep you healthy for life.

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

[Guest guest]

I believe so, but without sugar....

It's great antioxidant tea.

Patty

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> when on the anti-candida diet,can we drink green tea?

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> >

> > I don't recall the Harmony program being brought up before . . .

> >

> > But, regardless of what pills go with a Candida program, you'll have to

watch your diet - and include probiotics if you want long-term results.

> >

> > Some programs make it sound easy . . . But, if you have a sugar habit, it's

never going to be easy! . . .

> >

> > Personally, I think it works better if you start by finding healthy foods

you ENJOY . . . keep expanding those and let them until the crowd the bad foods

out of your life. . . You don't want to feel restricted . . You want to enjoy

foods that will keep you healthy for life.

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am taking lots of cap acid, and

am having alot of herx reaction......

That is why I posted about healing

crisis, so people could be reminded

how you can feel pretty bad while

ridding yourself of unwanted things...

Hope you feel better soon ! !

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one dr. told me it was a lack of nutrients.

gg

Detoxing

Anyone else get extremely fatigued after an enema or foot bath?I have always found they make me even more tired and wonder if it is good thing for my body? I am leary of detoxes for that reason!

[Guest guest]

could be that too, dr kolb told me to take colloidal minerals after foot bath

and she said i could be detoxing " too fast " for my body

[Guest guest]

It is normal to get fatigued after doing detoxes, or feel drained.Not everyone does, and it depends on the detox you are doing, but you can experience what is called a "Herxheimer reaction." If you look that up, you will see what it is about. Sometimes it is hard to tell if a detox is working because of herxheimer reactions....you may wonder if it is your old symptoms flaring up. But if you feel better afterwards, like I did, you will know it was just a part of the detoxing experience. Not fun, but essential to go through if you want to get better! Don't be afraid of detoxes because of this...just gird yourself up for those moments and stay optimistic about the outcome.That is one thing I wanted to encourage you ladies about....our mind and thoughts can play a HUGE role in our healing. It is absolutely vital that you get a grasp on your thought process and STOP thinking thoughts that sabatoge your efforts to get better. This is not just positive thinking...it goes much deeper than that. It is replacing habits in thought patterns that are lies with positive, healing thoughts that are truth! I have been there, so I know what I am talking about! For instance, with my scorpion sting, I could have (and did for a few days) dwell on the idea that my immune system is weak and susceptible to injury. I could talk about how my immune system didn't react like a normal person's, and be concerned that I am at greater risk for illness. I could think about how my family should recognize that I need peace in my life and to avoid stressful situations because stress could lead to greater illness and I could just end up with another autoimmune disease like MS someday, or something else that is just horrible. I could have a pity party and want extra special treatment because I "suffered" and I want those who love me to care for me with extra concern. I could wallow in the muck of those thoughts and allow myself to dwell on negativity just because that was where my thoughts wandered to. I lived in fear of what could happen.But forget THAT!!! No way! There came a point when I took hold of the fact that my heavenly Father knows what I am going through, and He cares for me, and I said to those other thoughts (above) "Get out of here! I am a child of God and I've got lots to do in this life...I'm not sitting down over this! I am going to live in the strength that God gives me, knowing that I can choose between God's LIFE, or the devil's DEATH with those negative thoughts and I choose LIFE! I am going to smash those ugly thoughts with the truth of God's Word, and all the promises I have in Him. Words such as:"I will guide you in the way of wisdom and lead you along straight paths." Proverbs 4:11"The Lord will guide you always, He will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail." Isaiah 58:11"On my bed I remember you; I think of you through the watches of the night. Because you are my help, I sing in the shadow of your wings. I stay close to you; your right hand upholds me. " Psalm 63: 6-7"Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things." Philippians 4: 4- 8 You see it is the PEACE of God which guards our hearts and minds from all other storms in life. When you trust Him to do as He said He would do, you live in peace and safety.So when you do your detoxing, as I've said many times before...do what you feel comfortable doing...let God guide you in the way of wisdom for your healing. You can know that if you have a herxheimer reaction...it is okay...and that healing may lie on the other side of the difficulty. Just ask God to show you what you should do, and trust your instincts as directed by Him.Hugs,Patty*******************Anyone else get extremely fatigued after an enema or foot bath?I

have always found they make me even more tired and wonder if it is good

thing for my body? I am leary of detoxes for that reason!

[Guest guest]

>WELL, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR! I CAN HANDLE IT WHEN I KNOW IT IS

GOOD FOR ME AND IT IS JUST A HERX, I NEVER REALLY KNEW!

>

> It is normal to get fatigued after doing detoxes, or feel drained.

>

> Not everyone does, and it depends on the detox you are doing, but you

> can experience what is called a " Herxheimer reaction. " If you look that

> up, you will see what it is about. Sometimes it is hard to tell if a

> detox is working because of herxheimer reactions....you may wonder if it

> is your old symptoms flaring up. But if you feel better afterwards,

> like I did, you will know it was just a part of the detoxing experience.

> Not fun, but essential to go through if you want to get better! Don't

> be afraid of detoxes because of this...just gird yourself up for those

> moments and stay optimistic about the outcome.

>

> That is one thing I wanted to encourage you ladies about....our mind and

> thoughts can play a HUGE role in our healing. It is absolutely vital

> that you get a grasp on your thought process and STOP thinking thoughts

> that sabatoge your efforts to get better. This is not just positive

> thinking...it goes much deeper than that. It is replacing habits in

> thought patterns that are lies with positive, healing thoughts that are

> truth! I have been there, so I know what I am talking about!

>

> For instance, with my scorpion sting, I could have (and did for a few

> days) dwell on the idea that my immune system is weak and susceptible to

> injury. I could talk about how my immune system didn't react like a

> normal person's, and be concerned that I am at greater risk for illness.

> I could think about how my family should recognize that I need peace in

> my life and to avoid stressful situations because stress could lead to

> greater illness and I could just end up with another autoimmune disease

> like MS someday, or something else that is just horrible. I could have

> a pity party and want extra special treatment because I " suffered " and

> I want those who love me to care for me with extra concern. I could

> wallow in the muck of those thoughts and allow myself to dwell on

> negativity just because that was where my thoughts wandered to. I lived

> in fear of what could happen.

>

> But forget THAT!!! No way! There came a point when I took hold of the

> fact that my heavenly Father knows what I am going through, and He cares

> for me, and I said to those other thoughts (above) " Get out of here! I

> am a child of God and I've got lots to do in this life...I'm not sitting

> down over this! I am going to live in the strength that God gives me,

> knowing that I can choose between God's LIFE, or the devil's DEATH with

> those negative thoughts and I choose LIFE! I am going to smash those

> ugly thoughts with the truth of God's Word, and all the promises I have

> in Him. Words such as:

>

> " I will guide you in the way of wisdom and lead you along straight

> paths. " Proverbs 4:11

>

> " The Lord will guide you always, He will satisfy your needs in a

> sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame. You will be like a

> well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail. " Isaiah

> 58:11

>

> " On my bed I remember you; I think of you through the watches of the

> night. Because you are my help, I sing in the shadow of your wings. I

> stay close to you; your right hand upholds me. " Psalm 63: 6-7

>

> " Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Let your

> gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious

> about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with

> thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which

> transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in

> Christ Jesus. Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble,

> whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is

> admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such

> things. " Philippians 4: 4- 8

>

> You see it is the PEACE of God which guards our hearts and minds from

> all other storms in life. When you trust Him to do as He said He would

> do, you live in peace and safety.

>

> So when you do your detoxing, as I've said many times before...do what

> you feel comfortable doing...let God guide you in the way of wisdom for

> your healing. You can know that if you have a herxheimer reaction...it

> is okay...and that healing may lie on the other side of the difficulty.

> Just ask God to show you what you should do, and trust your instincts as

> directed by Him.

>

> Hugs,

> Patty

>

> *******************

> Anyone else get extremely fatigued after an enema or foot bath?

>

> I have always found they make me even more tired and wonder if it is

> good thing for my body? I am leary of detoxes for that reason!

>

[Guest guest]

Anyone else get extremely fatigued after an enema or foot bath?

I have always found they make me even more tired and wonder if it is good thing for my body? I am leary of detoxes for that reason!

- you also lose some electrolytes when doing an enema, could be the reason.

[Guest guest]

Oh yes, I remember when I started taking Iodoral I went through a period where I

would bite anybodies head off for no reason whatsoever. I remember also that I

was in a situation where I have to run for an aeroplane and it just stressed me

out. Within 10 days all of those symptoms went away and I felt very calm and

balanced.

>

> One last question, is moodiness and crying a detox symptom? I don't know if it

is because of my present living conditions or if it is detoxing or maybe both.

> I welcome all suggestions.

>

> from Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

I am experiencing this too! I'm so grumpy and I'm trying really hard not to be

cross with my husband. I have been taking ioderol for about 4 weeks I think and

I just started doing the salt loading 6 days ago! I hate being grumpy! Good to

know I'm not the only one.

> >

> > One last question, is moodiness and crying a detox symptom? I don't know if

it is because of my present living conditions or if it is detoxing or maybe

both.

> > I welcome all suggestions.

> >

> > from Illinois

> >

>

[Guest guest]

See the list at www.breastcancerchoices.org

of detox symptoms. “Emotionality” is one symptom!

Donna in IL

From: iodine

[mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:10 AM

iodine

Subject: Re: detoxing

Oh yes, I remember when I started taking

Iodoral I went through a period where I would bite anybodies head off for no

reason whatsoever. I remember also that I was in a situation where I have to

run for an aeroplane and it just stressed me out. Within 10 days all of those

symptoms went away and I felt very calm and balanced.

>

> One last question, is moodiness and crying a detox symptom? I don't know

if it is because of my present living conditions or if it is detoxing or maybe

both.

> I welcome all suggestions.

>

> from Illinois

>

[Guest guest]

I used a vegetarian raw food diet to detox. I find anything that detoxes

quickly to be too difficult for my body to handle. The raw food diet worked

great for me. I had six months of an incredibly horribly itchy rash and some

really mysterious pain. And then suddenly, all my allergies were gone, my skin

looked great, and I felt the best I have ever felt.

[Guest guest]

Bob,

In China great numbers of people congregate in the parks for tai chi

and similar exercises, and for such pastimes as " Elephant chess "

(xiangqi) I think the salubrious affect is greatly enhanced by the

sense of community of doing this with others. This increasingly

becomes history as China joins the global rat race.

At 02:22 PM 6/7/2010, you wrote:

>I can't speak of de-toxing diets and such as I have no experience

>with them. I can recommend Chinese internal energy

>exercises--qigong--which not only calm the mind (taking the body out

>of the flight-or-fight syndrome, which pumps adrenal hormones into

>the system which do not promote healing) but also pump the lymphatic

>system through deep abdominal breathing. The lymphatic system, as

>part of its immune function, flushes toxins from the body. Whether

>you believe in the energetic system or not, the deep breathing is

>especially valuable for the above reasons.

>

>Bob Ellal

[Guest guest]

Seems there is every suggestion to help people like us...talke a look at

this..anyone that wants entire protacol given by a dr., I will send, it is 14

pages so...have to attack as a file to email.

ANTI-CANCER RAW FOOD DIET

This diet is to be taken with the raw pork pancreas, raw beef liver, raw garlic,

and raw

cassava juice needed to kill cancer cells, daily coffee enemas to remove the

dead rotting

cells, and using an electronic zapper to kill whatever parasites comes with the

raw

meats.

Excuse this comment, but have to say it same as I talk in Texas....I WOULD PEE

ON A SPARKPLUG IF I THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP

[Guest guest]

Just a note, you can kill parasites in raw meat if you freeze it for

about 4 days...

[Guest guest]

Congratulations on all your progress, Sandy.

It's very exciting to hear about the the details. I am so very happy for you.

Hugs of support,

M.

[Guest guest]

I am grasping at straws at my symptoms.

I am having more brain inflammation here. I think the csm is helping with pain

but I stop and start over and over .. 2 times a day. three. gut feels

overloaded.. not sure how to deal with that.. what to do.

Taking 6000 grams of vitamin C and close to 1000 of magnesium. I am moving

stools well. Still gut feels hard and like food is backing up.

Additionally, the brain inflammation is making me wonder beyoind a CIRS deal..

if this is detox of metals and pesticides???

I have a history of heavy pesticide exposure as a child.. carpets literally

drenched with it for fleas many times. Summer in the south.

When I was using nasal glutathione.. same kind of brain inflammation. Last time

I used IV, same.. though possibly not so mucb sinus inflammatio n with it.

I have an infrared coming from heavenly heat saunas.

I am also wondering about how to combine metal binders with csm and wondering if

csm is a metal binder and might actually even PULL metals in some sort of way by

pulling bile if the metals would be in the bile.. if I am releaseing them more..

are they in the bile and if they re then does removing bile itself cause a

flushing out of fat soluable toxins (to include metals and then possibly

pesticides.. are they fat soluable)????

If csm does not bind metals I am wondering how to add some chlorella, enough to

bind or some low dose edta to mop up.. not sure how to combine with or take

while taking csm and still keep up with supps and meds.

Has anyone rotated CSM with other detox agents? Maybe I might be better off

switching to clay, psyllium and add in charcoal from time to time.

Anyone using any of the above and how are you dosing? psyllium husks or another

form?

How to handle multiple detoxes?????

Thanks for any insights..

Robin