freaking out

[Guest guest]

Like Margaret says, you'll learn to adapt. Now I look back and say

how in the heck did I manage to do that? I guess it depends on how

bad I wanted my coffee that morning...LOL Make some, then put it in

a thermos and bring it along with your cup over to where you plan to

be sitting for a while. You'll have enough then for a refill.

And I thank God for my laptop....there is no way I could have hobbled

into our office everyday to use that copmuter. My husband brought in

a piece of wood to use for a table top while I sat in my recliner

chair. Fit right across the arms of it. I used it to eat at too.

Simple, but it worked. My butt was glued to that recliner for the

first few weeks of my recovery

Deb

>

> With the first hip I always drank my coffee where I made it. Until

I got a

> traymobile that allowed me to wheel my coffee to where I wanted it.

>

> You will be surprised how adaptable you will become.

>

> A little freak is good, just don't let it take over.

>

> Hugs

>

> Aussie Margaret

> RTHR 1990 revised 2004

>

>

> Freaking out

>

>

> | Ok It is getting close and i am having a panic attack.I cannot

sleep

> | on my back.I hate sleeping in a recliner.I hate pain and I hate

> | exercise.How will I get my coffee to the computer.Will I be able

to

> | sit at the computer.When will I be able to get in the tub again

Or in

> | the boat.I have been out of work for 11 months where in the world

am I

> | gonna find a job will I be able to go back to running on my feet

10-12

> | hours a day.Will I have the nerve to do the right one next What

if I

> | get hooked on pain pills what if the pain meds make me feel awful

> | what if they don't work.I cant stand the thought of so many days

in

> | the hospital.Lord help me. Ok I am done now thanks for

listening my

> | husband would have thought I had went nutty if I had said all

that to

> | him lol.3 days to go Couldnt face it without you all sherrie aka

> | nervous nellie

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://au.messenger.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Deb that is just such a good idea I will get a thermos today The laptop I will have to do without The coputer will be a good incenitive to get me walking so I can catch up here with everyone and also the Marine parent group that I belong to.I will want my coffee pretty bad Hubby hates to make it as he doesnt do coffee but He will make me a pot before he goes to work in the mornings.I usuall fix him lunch everyday when he come in from work lol I told him now he has to come home and fix me lunch.only fair dont ya think sherriereynawhitehawk <ReynaWhitehawk@...> wrote: Like Margaret says, you'll learn to adapt. Now I look back and say how in the heck did I manage to do that? I guess it depends on how bad I wanted my coffee that morning...LOL Make some, then put it in a thermos and bring it along with your cup over to where you plan to be sitting for a while. You'll have enough then for a refill. And I thank God for my laptop....there is no way I could have hobbled into our office everyday to use that copmuter. My husband brought in a piece of wood to use for a table top while I sat in my recliner chair. Fit right across the arms of it. I used it to eat at too. Simple, but it worked. My butt was glued to that recliner for the first few weeks of my recovery :)Deb>>

With the first hip I always drank my coffee where I made it. Until I got a > traymobile that allowed me to wheel my coffee to where I wanted it.> > You will be surprised how adaptable you will become.> > A little freak is good, just don't let it take over.> > Hugs> > Aussie Margaret> RTHR 1990 revised 2004> > > Freaking out> > > | Ok It is getting close and i am having a panic attack.I cannot sleep> | on my back.I hate sleeping in a recliner.I hate pain and I hate> | exercise.How will I get my coffee to the computer.Will I be

able to> | sit at the computer.When will I be able to get in the tub again Or in> | the boat.I have been out of work for 11 months where in the world am I> | gonna find a job will I be able to go back to running on my feet 10-12> | hours a day.Will I have the nerve to do the right one next What if I> | get hooked on pain pills what if the pain meds make me feel awful> | what if they don't work.I cant stand the thought of so many days in> | the hospital.Lord help me. Ok I am done now thanks for listening my> | husband would have thought I had went nutty if I had said all that to> | him lol.3 days to go Couldnt face it without you all sherrie aka> | nervous nellie> > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.>God bless all our heros PMSM LCPL JOSH India 2nd plt. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This is what is special about this group.

You are there when people need you.

Coffee might not seem an important thing - unless it is you not getting it.

Today is a public holiday - the day we celebrate the " Queen's birthday " -

Queen of England that is. I will rest, bake bread and spend some precious

time with my hubby.

Good luck with the op.

Aussie Margaret

RTHR 1990 revised 2004

Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.

[Guest guest]

Sherrie...

Did you get some easy stuff to fix for lunch and some snacks? How

about some bottled water? Keep some bottles of that by you so you

don't have to get up and down so often. I bought alot of

microwavable things for lunches and some sandwhich stuff. Easy stuff

for me to do..fruits and yogurts, wheat thins, frozen pizzas and of

course some cookies I needed some sweets too. But you also need

to get up and moving, so getting into the kitchen is good too.

We did a huge Wal Mart run the weekend before my surgery. I think we

STILL have stuff out in our big freezer in the garage....LOL.

Make a list of your favorite foods for your hubby to buy so he'll

know what to make for ALL your meals...hint, hint....

Deb

>

> Oh Deb that is just such a good idea I will get a thermos today The

laptop I will have to do without The coputer will be a good

incenitive to get me walking so I can catch up here with everyone and

also the Marine parent group that I belong to.I will want my coffee

pretty bad Hubby hates to make it as he doesnt do coffee but He

will make me a pot before he goes to work in the mornings.I usuall

fix him lunch everyday when he come in from work lol I told him now

he has to come home and fix me lunch.only fair dont ya think sherrie

>

[Guest guest]

Oh Sherrie, We are with you....deep breaths. You reflected everything that has been flying through my mind, too. I have been staying very, very busy which helps me to keep the gremlins in my mind at bay. Just keep writing out the fear(s) if you need to, it is a big help. Marciasweetpea37814 <sweetpea37814@...> wrote: Ok It is getting close and i am having a panic attack.I cannot sleep on my back.I hate sleeping in a recliner.I hate pain and I hate exercise.How will I get my coffee to the computer.Will I be able

to sit at the computer.When will I be able to get in the tub again Or in the boat.I have been out of work for 11 months where in the world am I gonna find a job will I be able to go back to running on my feet 10-12 hours a day.Will I have the nerve to do the right one next What if I get hooked on pain pills what if the pain meds make me feel awful what if they don't work.I cant stand the thought of so many days in the hospital.Lord help me. Ok I am done now thanks for listening my husband would have thought I had went nutty if I had said all that to him lol.3 days to go Couldnt face it without you all sherrie aka nervous nellie __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Deb Yes I got lots of easy stuff. Also my bible study class is going to bring supper on MON Wed and Fri. I have also put a lot in freezer for Hubby to just reheat.I am ready for a pig fest lol Sherrie 2 days to go reynawhitehawk <ReynaWhitehawk@...> wrote: Sherrie...Did you get some easy stuff to fix for lunch and some snacks? How about some bottled water? Keep some bottles of that by you so you don't have to get up and down so often. I bought alot of microwavable things for lunches and some

sandwhich stuff. Easy stuff for me to do..fruits and yogurts, wheat thins, frozen pizzas and of course some cookies I needed some sweets too. But you also need to get up and moving, so getting into the kitchen is good too. We did a huge Wal Mart run the weekend before my surgery. I think we STILL have stuff out in our big freezer in the garage....LOL.Make a list of your favorite foods for your hubby to buy so he'll know what to make for ALL your meals...hint, hint.... :)Deb>> Oh Deb that is just such a good idea I will get a thermos today The laptop I will have to do without The coputer will be a good incenitive to get me walking so I can catch up here with everyone and also the Marine parent group that I belong to.I will

want my coffee pretty bad Hubby hates to make it as he doesnt do coffee but He will make me a pot before he goes to work in the mornings.I usuall fix him lunch everyday when he come in from work lol I told him now he has to come home and fix me lunch.only fair dont ya think sherrie> God bless all our heros PMSM LCPL JOSH India 2nd plt. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/12/2006 9:44:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, morsekittyl@... writes:

Ok It is getting close and i am having a panic attack.I cannot sleep on my back.I hate sleeping in a recliner.I hate pain and I hate exercise.How will I get my coffee to the computer.Will I be able to sit at the computer.When will I be able to get in the tub again Or in the boat.I have been out of work for 11 months where in the world am I gonna find a job will I be able to go back to running on my feet 10-12 hours a day.Will I have the nerve to do the right one next What if I get hooked on pain pills what if the pain meds make me feel awful what if they don't work.I cant stand the thought of so many days in the hospital.Lord help me. Ok I am done now thanks for listening my husband would have thought I had went nutty if I had said all that to him lol.3 days to go Couldnt face it without you all sherrie aka nervous nellie

Hi, I can't sleep on my back either, but you'll learn . I hate the pain and exercise also, but it will feel so much better in the long run. You will need help getting your coffee. I got in the tub after 2 weeks of the first knee, haven't tried a boat yet. Had to drag it in a bit, but it worked. It's been 4 months since my second one and I've ridden my horse. I couldn't wait to get the next one done. I had been in so much pain by the next one I was soo very ready cause the first one felt better than the old one. You won't get hooked on the pain pills, I wasn't even sure they worked until I would forget to take them. The time in the hospital goes really fast also. You're so busy, eating, doing therapy, sleeping, and they make you get up. I was just so happy to have a pain that would get better instead of worse. Be sure to tell them if you have a lot of pain. They can make it better. Love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherrie, I just wanted to wish you the best of luck and a speedy recovery:-) Susiesherrie <sweetpea37814@...> wrote: Deb Yes I got lots of easy stuff. Also my bible study class is going to bring supper on MON Wed and Fri. I have also put a

lot in freezer for Hubby to just reheat.I am ready for a pig fest lol Sherrie 2 days to go reynawhitehawk <ReynaWhitehawk@...> wrote: Sherrie...Did you get some easy stuff to fix for lunch and some snacks? How about some bottled water? Keep some bottles of that by you so you don't have to get up and down so often. I bought alot of microwavable things for lunches and some sandwhich stuff. Easy stuff for me to do..fruits and yogurts, wheat thins, frozen pizzas and of course some cookies I needed some sweets too. But you also need to get up and moving, so getting into the kitchen is good too. We did a huge Wal Mart run the weekend before my surgery. I think we STILL have stuff out in our big freezer in the garage....LOL.Make a list of your favorite foods for your hubby to buy so

he'll know what to make for ALL your meals...hint, hint.... :)Deb>> Oh Deb that is just such a good idea I will get a thermos today The laptop I will have to do without The coputer will be a good incenitive to get me walking so I can catch up here with everyone and also the Marine parent group that I belong to.I will want my coffee pretty bad Hubby hates to make it as he doesnt do coffee but He will make me a pot before he goes to work in the mornings.I usuall fix him lunch everyday when he come in from work lol I told him now he has to come home and fix me lunch.only fair dont ya think sherrie> God bless all our heros PMSM LCPL

JOSH India 2nd plt. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the incouragement I am so ready for tommorw to be here I am ok now.You are so right a pain that I know is going to get better will be much more bearable.My hubby is going to take care of the coffee he will make me a pot and put in the termos before he goes to work then I will just take it with me wherever I am. take care sherrieCritrkrazy@... wrote: In a message dated 6/12/2006 9:44:13

P.M. Central Standard Time, morsekittyl@... writes: Ok It is getting close and i am having a panic attack.I cannot sleep on my back.I hate sleeping in a recliner.I hate pain and I hate exercise.How will I get my coffee to the computer.Will I be able to sit at the computer.When will I be able to get in the tub again Or in the boat.I have been out of work for 11 months where in the world am I gonna find a job will I be able to go back to running on my feet 10-12 hours a day.Will I have the nerve to do the right one next What if I get hooked on pain pills what if the pain meds make me feel awful what if they don't work.I cant stand the thought of so many days in the hospital.Lord help me. Ok I am done now thanks for listening my husband would have thought I had went nutty if I had said all that to

him lol.3 days to go Couldnt face it without you all sherrie aka nervous nellie Hi, I can't sleep on my back either, but you'll learn . I hate the pain and exercise also, but it will feel so much better in the long run. You will need help getting your coffee. I got in the tub after 2 weeks of the first knee, haven't tried a boat yet. Had to drag it in a bit, but it worked. It's been 4 months since my second one and I've ridden my horse. I couldn't wait to get the next one done. I had been in so much pain by the next one I was soo very ready cause the first one felt better than the old one. You won't get hooked on the pain pills, I wasn't even sure they worked until I would forget to take them. The time in the hospital goes really fast also. You're so busy, eating, doing therapy, sleeping, and they make you get up.

I was just so happy to have a pain that would get better instead of worse. Be sure to tell them if you have a lot of pain. They can make it better. Love, God bless all our heros PMSM LCPL JOSH India 2nd plt. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/13/2006 8:43:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, sweetpea37814@... writes:

Thanks for the incouragement I am so ready for tommorw to be here I am ok now.You are so right a pain that I know is going to get better will be much more bearable.My hubby is going to take care of the coffee he will make me a pot and put in the termos before he goes to work then I will just take it with me wherever I am. take care sherrie

Sherrie, you're so welcome. My husband finally got tired of bringing me cold water that he froze a milk jug and left it beside the bed so I could get my own while it melted. I forgot this but I had a backpack strapped onto my walker and had all kinds of goodies and essentials in there. My husband stayed home for a week after I got out of the hospital, but to tell you the truth he's so hard of hearing that I would have to call his cell phone to get service! You'll do fine and I'll be thinking of you. Love,

[Guest guest]

Hi Sherrie, I just wanted to wish you the best of luck for your operation and a speedy recovery and if you don't have a walker on wheels its so nice to have to carry your coffee or sandwich on the seat and it opens and you can put stuff inside of it . Well you take care . SusieCritrkrazy@... wrote: In a message dated 6/13/2006 8:43:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, sweetpea37814@... writes: Thanks for the incouragement I am so ready for tommorw to be here I am ok now.You are so right a pain that I know is going to get better will be much more bearable.My hubby is going to take care of the coffee he will make me a pot and put in the termos before he goes to work then I will just take it with me wherever I am. take care sherrie Sherrie, you're so welcome. My husband finally got tired of bringing me cold water that he froze a

milk jug and left it beside the bed so I could get my own while it melted. I forgot this but I had a backpack strapped onto my walker and had all kinds of goodies and essentials in there. My husband stayed home for a week after I got out of the hospital, but to tell you the truth he's so hard of hearing that I would have to call his cell phone to get service! You'll do fine and I'll be thinking of you. Love,

[Guest guest]

Hey JJ,

Till we get all your data with ranges and units it really is hard to say. If

your T was 36 it could be free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have you done TRT or steroids?

Arkansas

blue_jj_blue <jblue@...> wrote:

Hi,

Last November my total test was 281

This May it was 348

Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

Im out of my mind with worry.

I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds twice.

Will anyone help me?

I am very very upset.

More test results will come today, I expect.

I am in Boston and the docs here are so conservative.

I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

It is going to ruin my marriage.

I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as hell all day. I am

angry all the time.

I am so upset.

jj

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

those now complaining on what they personally caused

makes me a bit sickening.

It must be great to have someone that cares and loves

you. It must be great not going thru horrible

depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who do

steriods don't take into consideration, not saying you

are such. Read the advice from others.

--- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

> Hey JJ,

>

> Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could be

> free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> you done TRT or steroids?

>

> Arkansas

>

> blue_jj_blue <jblue@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Last November my total test was 281

> This May it was 348

> Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

>

> Im out of my mind with worry.

>

> I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> twice.

>

> Will anyone help me?

>

> I am very very upset.

>

> More test results will come today, I expect.

>

> I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> conservative.

>

> I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

>

> It is going to ruin my marriage.

>

> I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as hell

> all day. I am

> angry all the time.

>

> I am so upset.

>

> jj

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi,

>

> Last November my total test was 281

> This May it was 348

> Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

>

> Im out of my mind with worry.

>

> I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds twice.

>

> Will anyone help me?

>

> I am very very upset.

>

> More test results will come today, I expect.

>

> I am in Boston and the docs here are so conservative.

>

> I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

>

> It is going to ruin my marriage.

>

> I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as hell all day. I am

> angry all the time.

>

> I am so upset.

>

> jj

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Elliot - for purposes of this forum, we have to be empathetic to all

situations. I agree, for your situation, you would have some anger issues that

also have to be addressed, but is an individual is having problems for whatever

reason, their problems are just as relavent and need to be addressed. Its a real

shame we are all in the same boat with this so we have to make the best of it

and do what we can in sharing info and helping each other. We can all hope we

all get " fixed " .

Arkansas

ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote:

I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

those now complaining on what they personally caused

makes me a bit sickening.

It must be great to have someone that cares and loves

you. It must be great not going thru horrible

depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who do

steriods don't take into consideration, not saying you

are such. Read the advice from others.

--- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

> Hey JJ,

>

> Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could be

> free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> you done TRT or steroids?

>

> Arkansas

>

> blue_jj_blue <jblue@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Last November my total test was 281

> This May it was 348

> Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

>

> Im out of my mind with worry.

>

> I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> twice.

>

> Will anyone help me?

>

> I am very very upset.

>

> More test results will come today, I expect.

>

> I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> conservative.

>

> I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

>

> It is going to ruin my marriage.

>

> I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as hell

> all day. I am

> angry all the time.

>

> I am so upset.

>

> jj

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi JJ,

I think the reason your body is sore is because of a significant

reduction, for whatever reason, of the steroid effect of testosterone

is missing now. I get the same way when my T is low, and I stayed

sore using T skin spread ons like androgel. The pain and soreness

you describe should go away with an injection of depotestosterone,

I would do 3/4 of one CC from a 200mg bottle to get you started.

Did you say that you are on TRT now, can't remember? If not and

your level was low and just plunged horribly lower, no question that

is why you are feeling the way you do. The good news is that is is

curable, and you have to get together with your doctor right away

and some some supplemental T into you, do not settle for an androgel

prescription, you need an injection for the immediate more steroid

effect, then learn to do it yourself right away and plan on injecting

about 100mg of T a week.

norton

[Guest guest]

Yea, I know Mr. Razorback. Hello to all. I'm not going

to apologize but it's best for others to type the

right words rather than I.

--- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

> Hey Elliot - for purposes of this forum, we have to

> be empathetic to all situations. I agree, for your

> situation, you would have some anger issues that

> also have to be addressed, but is an individual is

> having problems for whatever reason, their problems

> are just as relavent and need to be addressed. Its a

> real shame we are all in the same boat with this so

> we have to make the best of it and do what we can in

> sharing info and helping each other. We can all hope

> we all get " fixed " .

>

> Arkansas

>

> ELLIOT BAKER <elliotbkr@...> wrote:

>

> I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

> It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

> missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

> those now complaining on what they personally caused

> makes me a bit sickening.

>

> It must be great to have someone that cares and

> loves

> you. It must be great not going thru horrible

> depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

> and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who

> do

> steriods don't take into consideration, not saying

> you

> are such. Read the advice from others.

> --- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

>

> > Hey JJ,

> >

> > Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> > really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could

> be

> > free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> > estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> > you done TRT or steroids?

> >

> > Arkansas

> >

> > blue_jj_blue <jblue@...> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > Last November my total test was 281

> > This May it was 348

> > Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

> >

> > Im out of my mind with worry.

> >

> > I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> > twice.

> >

> > Will anyone help me?

> >

> > I am very very upset.

> >

> > More test results will come today, I expect.

> >

> > I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> > conservative.

> >

> > I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

> >

> > It is going to ruin my marriage.

> >

> > I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as

> hell

> > all day. I am

> > angry all the time.

> >

> > I am so upset.

> >

> > jj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

You're response didn't seem very positive.

One of the best docs out there for us ( Crisler) got into this field

after dealing with some guy on roids (I think it was an abcess from self

injections), and honestly, I think an awful lot of the word-of-mouth and

good advice we see on the net in terms of dealing with our hypogonadism

issues comes from our brothers doing roids for body building purposes...

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of ELLIOT BAKER

Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:30 PM

Subject: Re: freaking out

I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

those now complaining on what they personally caused

makes me a bit sickening.

It must be great to have someone that cares and loves

you. It must be great not going thru horrible

depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who do

steriods don't take into consideration, not saying you

are such. Read the advice from others.

--- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT) <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com>

wrote:

> Hey JJ,

>

> Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could be

> free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> you done TRT or steroids?

>

> Arkansas

>

> blue_jj_blue <jblue@cyber- <mailto:jblue%40cyber-rights.net> rights.net>

wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Last November my total test was 281

> This May it was 348

> Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

>

> Im out of my mind with worry.

>

> I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> twice.

>

> Will anyone help me?

>

> I am very very upset.

>

> More test results will come today, I expect.

>

> I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> conservative.

>

> I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

>

> It is going to ruin my marriage.

>

> I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as hell

> all day. I am

> angry all the time.

>

> I am so upset.

>

> jj

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Those that choose to harm their bodies and then when

complications step forward, they complain isn't my job

to offer the type of emphasis others would.

That person or you, got to experience love, sex,

friendships, successes, etc from not being within the

mis informed and controlling disorder of primary

hypogonadism or hypogonadism.

So, you are preaching toward the wrong soul. Being

without treatment most my life, some of the same

effects you are complaining about,I delt with and

still do. I never abused anything. Not drugs, not

beer, not steroids nothing!

I wish you well but I don't have to read your words.

To me, bodybuilders are just like drug abusers. And

when complications step forward, it's like what

happened. Be forunate in what you have gotten and will

continue.

If you knew about the complications of steriods, why

are you here? If you connected toward others in that

field, why present as if you haven't?

I didn't know once I had surgery for an undesended

teste at age 10, that it wasn't in which doctors lied

about. I didn't know, I had a serious horomonal

problem and not just a strain in which, they

emphasized until last year.

Just think of all the side effects I faced? And, why

I'm me todate. You knew abusing steroids was going to

cause HYPOGONADISM and yet, you still abused it.

There isn't any excuse for it. Go love your family and

get treatment. Some of us are inprison from being

controlled by hypogonadism, and we have no support,

friends, etc.

--- Dave <groups@...> wrote:

> You're response didn't seem very positive.

>

> One of the best docs out there for us ( Crisler)

> got into this field

> after dealing with some guy on roids (I think it was

> an abcess from self

> injections), and honestly, I think an awful lot of

> the word-of-mouth and

> good advice we see on the net in terms of dealing

> with our hypogonadism

> issues comes from our brothers doing roids for body

> building purposes...

>

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ]

> On Behalf Of ELLIOT BAKER

> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:30 PM

>

> Subject: Re: freaking out

>

>

>

>

> I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

> It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

> missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

> those now complaining on what they personally caused

> makes me a bit sickening.

>

> It must be great to have someone that cares and

> loves

> you. It must be great not going thru horrible

> depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

> and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who

> do

> steriods don't take into consideration, not saying

> you

> are such. Read the advice from others.

> --- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT)

> <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com>

> wrote:

>

> > Hey JJ,

> >

> > Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> > really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could

> be

> > free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> > estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> > you done TRT or steroids?

> >

> > Arkansas

> >

> > blue_jj_blue <jblue@cyber-

> <mailto:jblue%40cyber-rights.net> rights.net>

> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > Last November my total test was 281

> > This May it was 348

> > Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

> >

> > Im out of my mind with worry.

> >

> > I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> > twice.

> >

> > Will anyone help me?

> >

> > I am very very upset.

> >

> > More test results will come today, I expect.

> >

> > I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> > conservative.

> >

> > I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

> >

> > It is going to ruin my marriage.

> >

> > I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as

> hell

> > all day. I am

> > angry all the time.

> >

> > I am so upset.

> >

> > jj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Whatever your personal feelings are, don't judge. If you don't agree,

then stay silent. Venting and complaining only causes more issues. I

feel quite confident that at some point in your life, you've made a big

mistake somewhere along the line. Don't be a hypocrite.

Bill

On Sep 21, 2006, at 10:32 PM, ELLIOT BAKER wrote:

>

> Those that choose to harm their bodies and then when

> complications step forward, they complain isn't my job

> to offer the type of emphasis others would.

>

> That person or you, got to experience love, sex,

> friendships, successes, etc from not being within the

> mis informed and controlling disorder of primary

> hypogonadism or hypogonadism.

>

> So, you are preaching toward the wrong soul. Being

> without treatment most my life, some of the same

> effects you are complaining about,I delt with and

> still do. I never abused anything. Not drugs, not

> beer, not steroids nothing!

>

> I wish you well but I don't have to read your words.

> To me, bodybuilders are just like drug abusers. And

> when complications step forward, it's like what

> happened. Be forunate in what you have gotten and will

> continue.

>

> If you knew about the complications of steriods, why

> are you here? If you connected toward others in that

> field, why present as if you haven't?

>

> I didn't know once I had surgery for an undesended

> teste at age 10, that it wasn't in which doctors lied

> about. I didn't know, I had a serious horomonal

> problem and not just a strain in which, they

> emphasized until last year.

>

> Just think of all the side effects I faced? And, why

> I'm me todate. You knew abusing steroids was going to

> cause HYPOGONADISM and yet, you still abused it.

>

> There isn't any excuse for it. Go love your family and

> get treatment. Some of us are inprison from being

> controlled by hypogonadism, and we have no support,

> friends, etc.

>

> --- Dave <groups@...> wrote:

>

> > You're response didn't seem very positive.

> >

> > One of the best docs out there for us ( Crisler)

> > got into this field

> > after dealing with some guy on roids (I think it was

> > an abcess from self

> > injections), and honestly, I think an awful lot of

> > the word-of-mouth and

> > good advice we see on the net in terms of dealing

> > with our hypogonadism

> > issues comes from our brothers doing roids for body

> > building purposes...

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ]

> > On Behalf Of ELLIOT BAKER

> > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:30 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: freaking out

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

> > It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

> > missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

> > those now complaining on what they personally caused

> > makes me a bit sickening.

> >

> > It must be great to have someone that cares and

> > loves

> > you. It must be great not going thru horrible

> > depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

> > and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who

> > do

> > steriods don't take into consideration, not saying

> > you

> > are such. Read the advice from others.

> > --- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT)

> > <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Hey JJ,

> > >

> > > Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> > > really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could

> > be

> > > free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> > > estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> > > you done TRT or steroids?

> > >

> > > Arkansas

> > >

> > > blue_jj_blue <jblue@cyber-

> > <mailto:jblue%40cyber-rights.net> rights.net>

> > wrote:

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > Last November my total test was 281

> > > This May it was 348

> > > Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

> > >

> > > Im out of my mind with worry.

> > >

> > > I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> > > twice.

> > >

> > > Will anyone help me?

> > >

> > > I am very very upset.

> > >

> > > More test results will come today, I expect.

> > >

> > > I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> > > conservative.

> > >

> > > I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

> > >

> > > It is going to ruin my marriage.

> > >

> > > I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as

> > hell

> > > all day. I am

> > > angry all the time.

> > >

> > > I am so upset.

> > >

> > > jj

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Elliot, obviously you're a very disturbed and frustrated soul, but that

doesn't give you the right to attack and judge. Sorry if that's blunt and

you can't handle it, but that's just the way it is.

You ASSUME way too much. You assumed that the first poster was a steroid

abuser, and other than perhaps his reference that he could bench press a

certain amount, there is absolutely no evidence of that. I workout hard in

the gym and can lift heavy now, but I'm not a steroid abuser.

Then you assume that because I point out that much of our best information

on dosing and anti-estrogen therapies come from the body building community

that I am a steroid abuser as well.

ly, that's just mean spirited and ignorant. I am not a steroid abuser,

my hypogonadism appears to come from post operative complications and

undertreatment after a thyroidectomy for thyroid cancer.

Keep wallowing in your own self-pity if you want, but quit attacking

us...many here have health problems just as serious as yours, and have

suffered for a long time from it. You don't have a monopoly on hard times

in your life, bud.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of ELLIOT BAKER

Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:33 PM

Subject: RE: freaking out

Those that choose to harm their bodies and then when

complications step forward, they complain isn't my job

to offer the type of emphasis others would.

That person or you, got to experience love, sex,

friendships, successes, etc from not being within the

mis informed and controlling disorder of primary

hypogonadism or hypogonadism.

So, you are preaching toward the wrong soul. Being

without treatment most my life, some of the same

effects you are complaining about,I delt with and

still do. I never abused anything. Not drugs, not

beer, not steroids nothing!

I wish you well but I don't have to read your words.

To me, bodybuilders are just like drug abusers. And

when complications step forward, it's like what

happened. Be forunate in what you have gotten and will

continue.

If you knew about the complications of steriods, why

are you here? If you connected toward others in that

field, why present as if you haven't?

I didn't know once I had surgery for an undesended

teste at age 10, that it wasn't in which doctors lied

about. I didn't know, I had a serious horomonal

problem and not just a strain in which, they

emphasized until last year.

Just think of all the side effects I faced? And, why

I'm me todate. You knew abusing steroids was going to

cause HYPOGONADISM and yet, you still abused it.

There isn't any excuse for it. Go love your family and

get treatment. Some of us are inprison from being

controlled by hypogonadism, and we have no support,

friends, etc.

--- Dave <groupssocal (DOT) <mailto:groups%40socal.rr.com> rr.com> wrote:

> You're response didn't seem very positive.

>

> One of the best docs out there for us ( Crisler)

> got into this field

> after dealing with some guy on roids (I think it was

> an abcess from self

> injections), and honestly, I think an awful lot of

> the word-of-mouth and

> good advice we see on the net in terms of dealing

> with our hypogonadism

> issues comes from our brothers doing roids for body

> building purposes...

>

>

> _____

>

> From: @ <mailto: %40>

> [mailto: @ <mailto: %40>

]

> On Behalf Of ELLIOT BAKER

> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:30 PM

> @ <mailto: %40>

> Subject: Re: freaking out

>

>

>

>

> I was wondering if he was on the juice as well.

> It's sad given I was born with a problem that was

> missed and lied about, and to read the potential of

> those now complaining on what they personally caused

> makes me a bit sickening.

>

> It must be great to have someone that cares and

> loves

> you. It must be great not going thru horrible

> depression, genitalia issues, loneliness that kills,

> and other problems; pre and post puberty, those who

> do

> steriods don't take into consideration, not saying

> you

> are such. Read the advice from others.

> --- Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany (DOT)

> <mailto:dmeatheany%40> com>

> wrote:

>

> > Hey JJ,

> >

> > Till we get all your data with ranges and units it

> > really is hard to say. If your T was 36 it could

> be

> > free T. Based on your symptoms you could have high

> > estradiol (E2). Was this tested? Are you and have

> > you done TRT or steroids?

> >

> > Arkansas

> >

> > blue_jj_blue <jblue@cyber-

> <mailto:jblue%40cyber-rights.net> rights.net>

> wrote:

> > Hi,

> >

> > Last November my total test was 281

> > This May it was 348

> > Yesterday I got labs back... it is 36!!!!

> >

> > Im out of my mind with worry.

> >

> > I am still a big guy. I can bench press 400 pounds

> > twice.

> >

> > Will anyone help me?

> >

> > I am very very upset.

> >

> > More test results will come today, I expect.

> >

> > I am in Boston and the docs here are so

> > conservative.

> >

> > I CANNOT GET AN ERECTION.

> >

> > It is going to ruin my marriage.

> >

> > I am hot and sweaty all the time. I am sore as

> hell

> > all day. I am

> > angry all the time.

> >

> > I am so upset.

> >

> > jj

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:45:10 -0700, you wrote:

>Elliot, obviously you're a very disturbed and frustrated soul, but that

>doesn't give you the right to attack and judge. Sorry if that's blunt and

>you can't handle it, but that's just the way it is.

>

I'd suggest finding a copy of Arlo Guthries tale of " The Last Man " .

He's the one guy on earth who can't say someone else has it worse than

him to feel better.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

I've moved on, if folks preceived myself complaining

in which retro who I respect still emphasized along

with the original gentleman, I simply wasn't.

I don't get pleasure from other folks unstable-ness

what ever it may be. We all got raw breaks; we all are

seeking strength within this forum.

For some, those raw breaks don't equal happiness,

hope, and alot of other elements and qualities I read

has simply left once on hypogonadism.

Well, my point was, you can re cover them and re build

again, but for others there isn't anything to re build

because it couldn't have been created. Of course, it's

the persons fault and not the diease.

My life isn't no ones concern nor do I expect any one

to understand. Folks type about side effects without

having to deal with them all their lives and yet, my

words are still preceived as complaining and filled

with self pity.

I apologize for that. God knows, I understand you all

have lives, issues, etc to combat and when you come

here, you wish for advice, friendship and a form of

escape.

You folks may be the only ones on Earth, understanding

this diease I can assure would understand; but I was

wrong. Good luck with the original poster health

problem and I wish you continued happiness.

Ironic, I just found the girl who broke my soul in HS

and made all the elements of primary hypogonadism come

forth on myspace.com. Coming into HS, I knew I stopped

growing and maturing in all areas, etc But, yet I

didn't let that worry me with her. Now, she is single

with a kid or two. Ironic, it took close to 6 years

getting over her. That's life huh gentlemen. Go Mets

and Yankees!

--- retrogrouch@... wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:45:10 -0700, you wrote:

>

> >Elliot, obviously you're a very disturbed and

> frustrated soul, but that

> >doesn't give you the right to attack and judge.

> Sorry if that's blunt and

> >you can't handle it, but that's just the way it is.

> >

>

>

> I'd suggest finding a copy of Arlo Guthries tale of

> " The Last Man " .

> He's the one guy on earth who can't say someone else

> has it worse than

> him to feel better.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > >Elliot, obviously you're a very disturbed and

> > frustrated soul, but that

> > >doesn't give you the right to attack and judge.

> > Sorry if that's blunt and

> > >you can't handle it, but that's just the way it is.

> > >

> >

> >

> > I'd suggest finding a copy of Arlo Guthries tale of

> > " The Last Man " .

> > He's the one guy on earth who can't say someone else

> > has it worse than

> > him to feel better.

> >

> > ________________

> > I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> > Terence

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

G -

Yes. I have totally freaked out. I felt like I couldn't contain how scared and upset I was.

It didn't even feel like me. My husband (the one with CLL) couldn't calm me down. I told him I was upset about something else...which was partially true...cause I didn't want him to think he was causing me so much pain and worry. I was also triggered by a friend with myeloma who got some bad news...and then some other friends who got good news....and I felt I couldn't stop anything terrible happening.

Anyhow, I don't have an answer on how to avoid such things or feel better. Just to say your reaction makes complete sense to me. Unfortunately, lots of times the logical reaction - of terror, despair - is not a very good coping mechanism, so we have to get out of that.

And, from being on this forum and reading some others, I know that if it didn't hit so close to home, I would say...there is a lot of good long-term survival, tremendous scientific advances, pretty good quality of life for many....and bad luck for some. But you could have bad luck even if you didn't have CLL.

You called 911 because you were momentarily out of control, and the usual supports, like your fiance and sister didn't seem like they'd work. You wanted it to stop! So you took drastic action. Thank goodness, you calmed down after a while.

My advice is to try and get in touch with the little part of you inside that is afraid of being out of control and work with her....so she knows that such situations will pass.

After you get good news from your blood tests, you will be in better shape to work on this.

Please let us know how they go.

E.

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Geraldine MichalikSent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 1:11 PM Subject: Freaking Out

Has anyone just totally freaked out with this stuff? I totally lost it last night. Overreaction to hearing yesterday that a friend of mine died of cancer. Last summer when I saw him, he thought he was in remission. Then over the winter his significant other told me he was not doing very well. When I say I freaked out last night, I just could not stop crying. Got so hysterical, I called 911 thinking I just wanted to be in a white room. Ended up with the cops coming to calm me down. They told my fiance to maybe take me to the emergency room for a sedative. He drove me around for a while and to the park until I quieted down. My sister, who was visitng and sleeping upstairs, couldn't understand why I had to call the 911 when both of them were around to help me. I don't either.I'm dreading my blood tests Tuesday.Thanks for listeningG.