Guest guest Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 the ACOEM cant say that molds usually are not pathogenic. they fail to reconise, over and over again that theres a hudge difference between normal exevyday exposures to molds and their byproducts and exposure in WDB 's. they fail to reconize that theres much more involved in WDB exposures and that it's the exposure to all these contaminants that makes the toxic soup mix that we are exposed to. they fail to reconize the verulence of many of these contaminants and that host resistance only goes so far. they fail to realize that even a low dose WDB exposure is causeing a chronic immune responce while that exposure is happening. host resistance. the tottal dose(all things envolved in a WDB exposure) of toxicity, can be pathogenic all by itself, and the verulance factor of things in that WDB well help it become pathogenic if it beats out your level of resistance. it seems to me if the tottal toxicity of a WDB is bad enough that it doesn't really have to rely on any verulence factor from some of the contaminants involved, the immune system may just basicly go into a suppressed state, but may have allready recieved considerable damage or does at this same time. but considerable damage to the mucosal lingings and the ability of disseminated toxicity, fungal,bacterial all become a hudge factor here. heres the thing, exposure in a WDB does cause chronic immune system activation, it can be overactive, it may be suppressed, it may be bounceing back and forth like a ping pong ball just like the TH1/TH2 balance. it all depends on the exposure, whats all involved, dose. tottal toxicity and host resistance. TOXICITY AND PATHOGENIC VIRULENCE FCTORS AGAINT HOST RESISTANCE. the phathogenic vs. virulence factor when it come to these WDB contaminants is the boundry between our resistence and their ability to do some major damage. and truely the worse a exposure is the less likely our resistance well hold up. the boundry between maybe temporarly immunocompromised during a WDB exposure and a more permentant immunocompromised immune sysytem, immune disorders. this is when infections may accure and some may end up being a re-accureing or tring to re-accure off and on. we still may be able to fight them off, or not, if not we might be in big trouble(DEATH). just because we still can fight them off does mean our immune systems are not damaged and causeing more damage everytime it's called on. and this is where the macrophages on the dark side and TH17 CIRS comes in. toxins ,mycotoxins/molds/byproducts,bacterias,ect. can 1. be in a high dose exposure that basicly doesn't give you a chance to fight it off. what happens here is a toxicity that is from maybe either or the toxins themselfs or the toxins released by our own damaged cells. but probably more from the straight toxicity of the contaminants in the WDB. damage to the mucosal lingings, high dose exposures to mold proteins may cause you to become allergic, food allergies,ect. mutiple organ and system damage has accured, you can become highly sensitive/reactive in either/or allergic or intoleranant ways in many of or all of these organs. 2. or a exposure where it can work on you and may eventually with it's verulence factors, cause the same result. or may do some damage, specific organs,ect. yes the immune system is still fighting,but is compromised because it's haveing to chronicly be fighting and affecting certain cells. no infections or maybe infection of/in certain organs but not dissemination through out the body and brain. 3. or the exposure may be compromiseing the immune system, some specific organs may be damaged depending mainly the exposure to what. but you still might recover by getting out of the WDB and exactly what damages you well suffer??? many molds and bacteria's have developed virulence factors to help them survive. mycotoxins are one of molds virulence factors. they are put out to distroy anything in the area that may harm the mold. both molds and bacteria have developed biofilms to help with the virulence factor so they can servive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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