Guest guest Posted May 2, 2002 Report Share Posted May 2, 2002 What do you think this poor man's chances are??? We really are just herd animals to these damn bureaucrats aren't we?? Varian Sue <angelmouse55@...> wrote: I remember this one I think from when the mother was tested and refused *not* to breastfeed. Sad... Sue _______________________________________________ http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1963000/1963015.stm HIV-test fugitive vows to fight on A father who fled the UK rather than obey a court order to have his daughter tested for HIV is now battling Australian moves to separate them. Following an all-day court hearing in Sydney, he will discover on Friday morning if he is to lose custody of the three-year-old. The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, left the UK in 1999 with his then four-month old daughter. The British court had ordered the baby girl to be tested for HIV after her mother was diagnosed with the infection. She had ignored conventional medical advice to take drugs during pregnancy and abstain from breastfeeding to reduce the risk of transmission. After more than two years living in Australia, and following the death of her mother, the toddler has now been tested there - and proved positive for HIV. The father - an alternative therapist with strong views on HIV treatments - is now defying doctors who claim the child is dying and want to start treating her with powerful antiretroviral drugs. On Monday he was captured by Australian police after breaching a court order obtained by social services banning him from travel. Police have now taken the girl into care for the duration of the court action. He was actually on the brink of return to the UK - where he claims the authorities would be more sympathetic to him, despite his defiance of the 1999 High Court order. He has vowed to fight any attempt by the courts to force his daughter to undergo medical treatment, and on Thursday will go to court to try to get his daughter back. He told the BBC: " Several plainclothes detectives came to the house in which we were staying - they barged into the bedroom and told me they were taking my daughter away, that there was a warrant out for my arrest. " We were bundled off to the police station - they didn't tell me when I was going to see my daughter again. " He claimed that his daughter was in good health, and that the gloomy prognosis of the paediatrician was over nothing more serious than a chest infection. " She's going from strength to strength - but she's not had the same level of stress as I have over the past few weeks. " If you test positive for HIV in this country then you have no rights. " I just want to leave as soon as possible and get back to the UK. " He says that he is planning an application to the European Court of Human Rights, saying the original High Court ruling breached his right to family life. However, although the child has now been tested, action could still be taken to punish him for defying the court order by fleeing abroad. In addition, social services in this country may intervene to force the use of conventional anti-HIV medication. He told the BBC that he would fight this in the UK courts if necessary. " I don't have any choice. I could ask the European Court of Human Rights to take out an injunction against court harassment in the UK. " After arriving in Australia nearly three years ago on visitor visas, the family had lived quietly in a small town in the state of . However, they came to the attention of the Australian authorities when the girl's mother became ill and died in October last year of a condition which her partner says was unrelated to HIV. It was when her mother was hospitalised that staff used a blood sample of the child, taken for another purpose, to test for HIV. At this point an Australian court ordered her to be held temporarily at the hospital while court proceedings started to compel her to receive antiretroviral treatment. The father told the BBC that antiretrovirals were a " last resort " , and highly unsuitable for use on children due to side-effects and toxicity. However, Nick Partridge, from the Terrence Higgins Trust, a UK-based HIV/Aids charity, said that antiretrovirals were far less damaging than HIV itself. " We have overwhelming evidence which tells us how this child can be kept healthy for many, many years. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Allopathic medicine definitly has trouble believing its own studies. Evidently it's only a 'scam' when the results point away from them. Sunny Sunny Kierstyn, RN DC Fibromyalgia Care Center of Oregon 56 Oakway Center Eugene, Oregon, 97401 541-683-5600 >From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> > >Subject: Slightly OT >Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT) > >I copied this article because it mentions that Barry >Bonds had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. The >surgery was described as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " > > >But I remember reading a recent paper that concluded >the placebo was more effective than arthroscopic >surgery on arthritic knees. > >Poor Barry and baseball fans! The season is lost due >to a procedure that is in effective! The placebo >treatment would have allowed Barry to challenge Ruth's >and 's home run records. > > DeSiena > > > > > >Bonds' surgeon has cloudy professional past >By ph A. Reaves, The Arizona Republic 5-5-2005 >The doctor who performed knee surgery on San Francisco >Giants slugger Barry Bonds has been reprimanded twice >by the Medical Board of California and is currently on >five years' probation for unprofessional conduct, >officials confirmed Wednesday. > > Barry Bonds has been silent about his recent knee >surgeries and rehab, preferring to release information >through his Web site. >By Ben Margot, AP > >Dr. Arthur J. Ting of Fremont, Calif., successfully >completed two years' probation in 1998 for violating >business and professional codes. Then on April 5, >2004, he was put on five more years of probation after >admitting to a second incident of unprofessional >conduct, a board spokeswoman said. > >Bonds, just 11 home runs shy of Babe Ruth on the >all-time list and 52 behind Hank 's career record >of 755, personally chose Ting to perform his January >knee surgery. At the time, the surgery was described >as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " > >Since then, however, Bonds has had fluid drained from >the knee at least three times and had two follow-up >operations, both by Ting. > >The latest operation, which according to Bonds' Web >site took place Monday, was an emergency procedure to >deal with a bacterial infection discovered last week >by Dr. Yocum, orthopedic surgeon for the Los >Angeles Angels. Bonds lives in Southern California and >had gone to Yocum to have the knee drained. He flew to >San Francisco on Monday so Ting could perform the >surgery. > >This week's surgery means Bonds, 40, who hasn't played >this season, likely won't return until at least after >the All-Star break in July. It also raises questions >about whether he will ever play again. > >The Arizona Republic obtained 30 pages of legal >documents from the Medical Board of California that >detailed a litany of allegations against Ting, dating >to 1993 when he was accused of being " grossly >negligent and/or incompetent in his treatment of a >patient. " > >In a stipulation designed to resolve that complaint, >Ting admitted he had " improperly failed to diagnose >and treat this patient's injury. " His license was >officially suspended for one year, but the suspension >was stayed and he was placed on probation, which he >completed June 17, 1998. > >In May 2003, another complaint filed with the medical >board accused Ting of hiring an unlicensed technician >who saw some of Ting's patients, diagnosed their >injuries and wrote prescriptions. In several cases, >patients told the board they believed the man was a >doctor. > >The complaint also accused Ting of several other >violations, including prescribing " dangerous drugs and >controlled substances to friends and acquaintances, >particularly athletes, for whom he kept no medical >records or for whom the medical records were >fictitious, inadequate or inaccurate. " > >Ting signed an agreement with the board on Jan. 4, >2004, saying that " to avoid a costly administrative >hearing, " he admitted he " was negligent in his >supervision of subordinates, " but he denied all other >allegations in the complaint. > >The medical board ordered Ting to repay $15,000 for >the cost of the investigation and revoked his license, >but again stayed the revocation and placed him on five >years' probation. Attempts by The Arizona Republic to >reach Ting were unsuccessful. The Giants refused to >discuss Ting or Bonds. > >Bonds ignored the advice of Giants officials who >recommended that Fanton, their orthopedist and a >nationally recognized surgeon who is co-director of >the Sports Medicine Program at Stanford University, >operate on his knee. > >Instead, Bonds chose Ting, who is the team physician >for the NHL's San Sharks and the San >Earthquakes of Major League Soccer. > > >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >771 Washington Street >Eugene, OR 97401 >(541) 686-BACK (2225) > > > >__________________________________ > Mobile >Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >http://mobile./learn/mail > > > >OregonDCs rules: >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to >foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve >members will be tolerated. >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. 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Guest guest Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Barry is a drug addict in all likelihood anyway. I for one hope he never returns to grab the record away from clean players like and Ruth. Will Schneider --------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT) >I copied this article because it mentions that Barry >Bonds had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. The >surgery was described as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " > > >But I remember reading a recent paper that concluded >the placebo was more effective than arthroscopic >surgery on arthritic knees. > >Poor Barry and baseball fans! The season is lost due >to a procedure that is in effective! The placebo >treatment would have allowed Barry to challenge Ruth's >and 's home run records. > > DeSiena > > > > > >Bonds' surgeon has cloudy professional past >By ph A. Reaves, The Arizona Republic 5-5-2005 >The doctor who performed knee surgery on San Francisco >Giants slugger Barry Bonds has been reprimanded twice >by the Medical Board of California and is currently on >five years' probation for unprofessional conduct, >officials confirmed Wednesday. > > Barry Bonds has been silent about his recent knee >surgeries and rehab, preferring to release information >through his Web site. >By Ben Margot, AP > >Dr. Arthur J. Ting of Fremont, Calif., successfully >completed two years' probation in 1998 for violating >business and professional codes. Then on April 5, >2004, he was put on five more years of probation after >admitting to a second incident of unprofessional >conduct, a board spokeswoman said. > >Bonds, just 11 home runs shy of Babe Ruth on the >all-time list and 52 behind Hank 's career record >of 755, personally chose Ting to perform his January >knee surgery. At the time, the surgery was described >as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " > >Since then, however, Bonds has had fluid drained from >the knee at least three times and had two follow-up >operations, both by Ting. > >The latest operation, which according to Bonds' Web >site took place Monday, was an emergency procedure to >deal with a bacterial infection discovered last week >by Dr. Yocum, orthopedic surgeon for the Los >Angeles Angels. Bonds lives in Southern California and >had gone to Yocum to have the knee drained. He flew to >San Francisco on Monday so Ting could perform the >surgery. > >This week's surgery means Bonds, 40, who hasn't played >this season, likely won't return until at least after >the All-Star break in July. It also raises questions >about whether he will ever play again. > >The Arizona Republic obtained 30 pages of legal >documents from the Medical Board of California that >detailed a litany of allegations against Ting, dating >to 1993 when he was accused of being " grossly >negligent and/or incompetent in his treatment of a >patient. " > >In a stipulation designed to resolve that complaint, >Ting admitted he had " improperly failed to diagnose >and treat this patient's injury. " His license was >officially suspended for one year, but the suspension >was stayed and he was placed on probation, which he >completed June 17, 1998. > >In May 2003, another complaint filed with the medical >board accused Ting of hiring an unlicensed technician >who saw some of Ting's patients, diagnosed their >injuries and wrote prescriptions. In several cases, >patients told the board they believed the man was a >doctor. > >The complaint also accused Ting of several other >violations, including prescribing " dangerous drugs and >controlled substances to friends and acquaintances, >particularly athletes, for whom he kept no medical >records or for whom the medical records were >fictitious, inadequate or inaccurate. " > >Ting signed an agreement with the board on Jan. 4, >2004, saying that " to avoid a costly administrative >hearing, " he admitted he " was negligent in his >supervision of subordinates, " but he denied all other >allegations in the complaint. > >The medical board ordered Ting to repay $15,000 for >the cost of the investigation and revoked his license, >but again stayed the revocation and placed him on five >years' probation. Attempts by The Arizona Republic to >reach Ting were unsuccessful. The Giants refused to >discuss Ting or Bonds. > >Bonds ignored the advice of Giants officials who >recommended that Fanton, their orthopedist and a >nationally recognized surgeon who is co-director of >the Sports Medicine Program at Stanford University, >operate on his knee. > >Instead, Bonds chose Ting, who is the team physician >for the NHL's San Sharks and the San >Earthquakes of Major League Soccer. > > >Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >771 Washington Street >Eugene, OR 97401 >(541) 686-BACK (2225) > > > >__________________________________ > Mobile >Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >http://mobile./learn/mail > > > >OregonDCs rules: >1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated. >2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. 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Guest guest Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 Now, now , since we don't know the state of his knee how can we judge if the surgery was needed and will or will not be effective ? Barry Bonds will bat another day so wait to see whose records he will break. sharron fuchs dc -----Original Message-----From: DeSiena [mailto:adesienadc@...]Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 3:32 PM Subject: Slightly OTI copied this article because it mentions that BarryBonds had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. Thesurgery was described as a "minor arthritis cleanup." But I remember reading a recent paper that concludedthe placebo was more effective than arthroscopicsurgery on arthritic knees.Poor Barry and baseball fans! The season is lost dueto a procedure that is in effective! The placebotreatment would have allowed Barry to challenge Ruth'sand 's home run records. DeSienaBonds' surgeon has cloudy professional past By ph A. Reaves, The Arizona Republic 5-5-2005The doctor who performed knee surgery on San FranciscoGiants slugger Barry Bonds has been reprimanded twiceby the Medical Board of California and is currently onfive years' probation for unprofessional conduct,officials confirmed Wednesday. Barry Bonds has been silent about his recent kneesurgeries and rehab, preferring to release informationthrough his Web site. By Ben Margot, AP Dr. Arthur J. Ting of Fremont, Calif., successfullycompleted two years' probation in 1998 for violatingbusiness and professional codes. Then on April 5,2004, he was put on five more years of probation afteradmitting to a second incident of unprofessionalconduct, a board spokeswoman said.Bonds, just 11 home runs shy of Babe Ruth on theall-time list and 52 behind Hank 's career recordof 755, personally chose Ting to perform his Januaryknee surgery. At the time, the surgery was describedas a "minor arthritis cleanup." Since then, however, Bonds has had fluid drained fromthe knee at least three times and had two follow-upoperations, both by Ting.The latest operation, which according to Bonds' Website took place Monday, was an emergency procedure todeal with a bacterial infection discovered last weekby Dr. Yocum, orthopedic surgeon for the LosAngeles Angels. Bonds lives in Southern California andhad gone to Yocum to have the knee drained. He flew toSan Francisco on Monday so Ting could perform thesurgery.This week's surgery means Bonds, 40, who hasn't playedthis season, likely won't return until at least afterthe All-Star break in July. It also raises questionsabout whether he will ever play again.The Arizona Republic obtained 30 pages of legaldocuments from the Medical Board of California thatdetailed a litany of allegations against Ting, datingto 1993 when he was accused of being "grosslynegligent and/or incompetent in his treatment of apatient."In a stipulation designed to resolve that complaint,Ting admitted he had "improperly failed to diagnoseand treat this patient's injury." His license wasofficially suspended for one year, but the suspensionwas stayed and he was placed on probation, which hecompleted June 17, 1998. In May 2003, another complaint filed with the medicalboard accused Ting of hiring an unlicensed technicianwho saw some of Ting's patients, diagnosed theirinjuries and wrote prescriptions. In several cases,patients told the board they believed the man was adoctor.The complaint also accused Ting of several otherviolations, including prescribing "dangerous drugs andcontrolled substances to friends and acquaintances,particularly athletes, for whom he kept no medicalrecords or for whom the medical records werefictitious, inadequate or inaccurate."Ting signed an agreement with the board on Jan. 4,2004, saying that "to avoid a costly administrativehearing," he admitted he "was negligent in hissupervision of subordinates," but he denied all otherallegations in the complaint.The medical board ordered Ting to repay $15,000 forthe cost of the investigation and revoked his license,but again stayed the revocation and placed him on fiveyears' probation. Attempts by The Arizona Republic toreach Ting were unsuccessful. The Giants refused todiscuss Ting or Bonds.Bonds ignored the advice of Giants officials whorecommended that Fanton, their orthopedist and anationally recognized surgeon who is co-director ofthe Sports Medicine Program at Stanford University,operate on his knee.Instead, Bonds chose Ting, who is the team physicianfor the NHL's San Sharks and the San Earthquakes of Major League Soccer.Dr. DeSiena, D.C.Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C.771 Washington StreetEugene, OR 97401(541) 686-BACK (2225) __________________________________ Mobile Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile./learn/mail OregonDCs rules:1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve members will be tolerated.2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name.3. The listserve is not secure; your e-mail could end up anywhere. 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Guest guest Posted May 9, 2005 Report Share Posted May 9, 2005 Come on Will, I'm a huge Giant's fan, so I feel very strongly and passionate about Bonds breaking the record. Keep in mind that players have done many things to improve their performances throughout the years. If MLB didn't care, they did it. Who could blame them. Bond's didn't do steroids his whole career, and did the steroids allow for him to hit that many homers??? Probably not. Steroids or no steroids this accomplishment is simply amazing. We should be proud to witness this athlete of historic proportion play and challenge a sports record that was thought unattainable. Let the historians decide and put an astrix next to it if they must, but I'd certainly love to see the record fall in my lifetime. Dr. ph Medlin D.C. Spine Tree Chiropractic 1627 NE Alberta St. #6 Portland, OR 97211 Ph: 503-788-6800 c: 503-889-6204 Re: Slightly OT > Barry is a drug addict in all likelihood anyway. I for one hope he never > returns to grab the record away from clean players like and Ruth. > > Will Schneider > > > --------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: DeSiena <adesienadc@...> > Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:31:54 -0700 (PDT) > >>I copied this article because it mentions that Barry >>Bonds had arthroscopic surgery on his knee. The >>surgery was described as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " >> >> >>But I remember reading a recent paper that concluded >>the placebo was more effective than arthroscopic >>surgery on arthritic knees. >> >>Poor Barry and baseball fans! The season is lost due >>to a procedure that is in effective! The placebo >>treatment would have allowed Barry to challenge Ruth's >>and 's home run records. >> >> DeSiena >> >> >> >> >> >>Bonds' surgeon has cloudy professional past >>By ph A. Reaves, The Arizona Republic 5-5-2005 >>The doctor who performed knee surgery on San Francisco >>Giants slugger Barry Bonds has been reprimanded twice >>by the Medical Board of California and is currently on >>five years' probation for unprofessional conduct, >>officials confirmed Wednesday. >> >> Barry Bonds has been silent about his recent knee >>surgeries and rehab, preferring to release information >>through his Web site. >>By Ben Margot, AP >> >>Dr. Arthur J. Ting of Fremont, Calif., successfully >>completed two years' probation in 1998 for violating >>business and professional codes. Then on April 5, >>2004, he was put on five more years of probation after >>admitting to a second incident of unprofessional >>conduct, a board spokeswoman said. >> >>Bonds, just 11 home runs shy of Babe Ruth on the >>all-time list and 52 behind Hank 's career record >>of 755, personally chose Ting to perform his January >>knee surgery. At the time, the surgery was described >>as a " minor arthritis cleanup. " >> >>Since then, however, Bonds has had fluid drained from >>the knee at least three times and had two follow-up >>operations, both by Ting. >> >>The latest operation, which according to Bonds' Web >>site took place Monday, was an emergency procedure to >>deal with a bacterial infection discovered last week >>by Dr. Yocum, orthopedic surgeon for the Los >>Angeles Angels. Bonds lives in Southern California and >>had gone to Yocum to have the knee drained. He flew to >>San Francisco on Monday so Ting could perform the >>surgery. >> >>This week's surgery means Bonds, 40, who hasn't played >>this season, likely won't return until at least after >>the All-Star break in July. It also raises questions >>about whether he will ever play again. >> >>The Arizona Republic obtained 30 pages of legal >>documents from the Medical Board of California that >>detailed a litany of allegations against Ting, dating >>to 1993 when he was accused of being " grossly >>negligent and/or incompetent in his treatment of a >>patient. " >> >>In a stipulation designed to resolve that complaint, >>Ting admitted he had " improperly failed to diagnose >>and treat this patient's injury. " His license was >>officially suspended for one year, but the suspension >>was stayed and he was placed on probation, which he >>completed June 17, 1998. >> >>In May 2003, another complaint filed with the medical >>board accused Ting of hiring an unlicensed technician >>who saw some of Ting's patients, diagnosed their >>injuries and wrote prescriptions. In several cases, >>patients told the board they believed the man was a >>doctor. >> >>The complaint also accused Ting of several other >>violations, including prescribing " dangerous drugs and >>controlled substances to friends and acquaintances, >>particularly athletes, for whom he kept no medical >>records or for whom the medical records were >>fictitious, inadequate or inaccurate. " >> >>Ting signed an agreement with the board on Jan. 4, >>2004, saying that " to avoid a costly administrative >>hearing, " he admitted he " was negligent in his >>supervision of subordinates, " but he denied all other >>allegations in the complaint. >> >>The medical board ordered Ting to repay $15,000 for >>the cost of the investigation and revoked his license, >>but again stayed the revocation and placed him on five >>years' probation. Attempts by The Arizona Republic to >>reach Ting were unsuccessful. The Giants refused to >>discuss Ting or Bonds. >> >>Bonds ignored the advice of Giants officials who >>recommended that Fanton, their orthopedist and a >>nationally recognized surgeon who is co-director of >>the Sports Medicine Program at Stanford University, >>operate on his knee. >> >>Instead, Bonds chose Ting, who is the team physician >>for the NHL's San Sharks and the San >>Earthquakes of Major League Soccer. >> >> >>Dr. DeSiena, D.C. >>Washington Street Chiropractic Center, L.L.C. >>771 Washington Street >>Eugene, OR 97401 >>(541) 686-BACK (2225) >> >> >> >>__________________________________ >> Mobile >>Take with you! Check email on your mobile phone. >>http://mobile./learn/mail >> >> >> >>OregonDCs rules: >>1. Keep correspondence professional; the purpose of the listserve is to >>foster communication and collegiality. No personal attacks on listserve >>members will be tolerated. >>2. Always sign your e-mails with your first and last name. >>3. 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