Guest guest Posted December 23, 2008 Report Share Posted December 23, 2008 Hi Here are relevant extracts from the paper: " " ...The subjects were required to attend two sessions lasting about 1 hour each during a period of approximately 1 week. The first session was a pretesting session. The subjects were asked to warm up on a stationary bike for 3–5 minutes at the beginning of the first session. Their one-repetition maximum (1RM) was determined by having the participants lift approximately four to five short sets of both front squats and back squats (order chosen randomly) at increasing loads until reaching their maximum load. They were allowed to rest for 5 minutes between sets, or until they felt sufficientlyrested, and then they were asked to repeat the above steps for determining 1RM, this time performing the other squat variation. The same relative weight (70% 1RM) was used for each squat technique; therefore, knee kinetics and muscle activity were compared directly between the front and back squat (14Interestingly, the two squat variations were similar in some ways and quite different in others. For example, net shear anterior/posterior) forces at the knee did not vary with bar position, whereas net compressive forces and extensor moments increased for the back squat. More specifically, our subjects lifted 61.8 kg during the back squat and 48.5 kg for the front squat. The lower anterior/posterior (shear) forces measured by Stuart et al. can be attributed to the use of a lower mass during testing (22.7 kg compared with 61.8 kg used here). In our study, the back squat resulted in higher net compressive (proximal/distal) forces on the knee than the front squat. Escamilla et al. (15) studied the effects of technique variations on knee biomechanics during the back squat and leg press and have reported higher compressive force values than the current values (approximately 32.1 vs. 10.8 N_m_kg21) Although more mass was lifted during the traditional back squat, bar position did not influence muscle activity. Because the muscles tested were equally active during the front squat while lifting less mass, it is presumable that the same workout can be achieved with less compressive forces on the knee. It seems the extra load lifted during the back squat (the average 1RM for the back squat was 88.3 kg ½ranging from 52.3 to 125 kg_, compared with 69.2 kg ½ranging from 45.5 to 102.3 kg_ for the front squat) is what accounts for the increased compressive forces and extensor moments observed during these lifts. This information suggests that front squats could be advantageous for people with knee problems such as ligament and meniscus tears, and for general long-term joint health. Front squats could also be useful for individuals with shoulder problems that limit their range of motion, making it hard to grip the bar during the regular back squat. " " ====================== Carruthers Wakefield, UK > > Hi > > This is interesting, however I would like to see the actual squats > performed, for me I tend to experience more knee discomfort following > training blocks of front squating and not following block of back squats. > My knee issues may be described in another post, but I find this > characterisation interetsting. Also normaly the weight that I handle in > back squats is much higher than in front squats, doe this influence > compressive loading, and torque mentioned in the study? > > Regards > Nick Tatalias > Johannesburg > South Africa > > 2008/12/14 carruthersjam > > > > > A Biomechanical Comparison of Back and Front Squats in Healthy > > Trained Individuals.Gullett JC, Tillman MD, Gutierrez GM, Chow JW. > > > > J Strength Cond Res. 2008 Nov 8. [Epub ahead of print] Links > > > > The strength and stability of the knee plays an integral role in > > athletics and activities of daily living. A better understanding of > > knee joint biomechanics while performing variations of the squat > > would be useful in rehabilitation and exercise prescription. We > > quantified and compared tibiofemoral joint kinetics as well as muscle > > activity while executing front and back squats. Because of the > > inherent change in the position of the center of mass of the bar > > between the front and back squat lifts, we hypothesized that the back > > squat would result in increased loads on the knee joint and that the > > front squat would result in increased knee extensor and decreased > > back extensor muscle activity. A crossover study design was used. To > > assess the net force and torque placed on the knee and muscle > > activation levels, a combination of video and force data, as well as > > surface electromyographic data, were collected from 15 healthy > > trained individuals. > > > > The back squat resulted in significantly higher compressive forces > > and knee extensor moments than the front squat. Shear forces at the > > knee were small in magnitude, posteriorly directed, and did not vary > > between the squat variations. Although bar position did not influence > > muscle activity, muscle activation during the ascending phase was > > significantly greater than during the descending phase. > > > > The front squat was as effective as the back squat in terms of > > overall muscle recruitment, with significantly less compressive > > forces and extensor moments. The results suggest that front squats > > may be advantageous compared with back squats for individuals with > > knee problems such as meniscus tears, and for long-term joint health. > > > > ============================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2008 Report Share Posted December 27, 2008 > My logic tells me that if you lift > more load you recruit more muscle fibres, does the EMG recived the > extra > number of fibres being recruited, lets say the amplitude of each > recruitment > is the same (the maximum recruitment for each motor unit as the load > is > heavy enough to require the maximum out of a motor unit), but the > number of > these units being recruited may change yet the amplitude still reads > the > same and thus a conclusion that activation is the same, when it is > not. Thanks Nick Good thought!! J Jerry Telle Lakewood CO USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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