Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 There are certainly other reasons to use the bench press. We just hosted a seminar with Charlie Francis and he made a point that goes counter to all the proponents of sports specificity. As an example, when tapering a sprinter for the 100 meter, as they got close to the actual event, the bench press was used in place of more lower body dominant exercises for the “stimulus” rather than for building strong pushing muscles. Charlie reasoned that the bench press utilizes 35% of all the motor units in the body versus say a deadlift, squat or power clean which may use 70 to 90% of all the motor units in the body. This way the athlete can stimulate the body without over taxing it so close to the actual event. One would be wise to investigate this idea when training athletes! It can make the difference between a PR and a pulled muscle or worse! Mike Doyle, NSCA-CPT, CSCS COR Performance Layton, Utah www.corperformancetraining.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Mike Doyle wrote: >There are certainly other reasons to use the bench press. We just hosted a seminar with Charlie Francis and he made a point that goes counter to all the proponents of sports specificity. > >As an example, when tapering a sprinter for the 100 meter, as they got close to the actual event, the bench press was used in place of more lower body dominant exercises for the “stimulus” rather than for building strong pushing muscles. Charlie reasoned that the bench press utilizes 35% of all the motor units in the body versus say a deadlift, squat or power clean which may use 70 to 90% of all the motor units in the body. This way the athlete can stimulate the body without over taxing it so close to the actual event. > >One would be wise to investigate this idea when training athletes! It can make the difference between a PR and a pulled muscle or worse! > **** I don't see that being a good idea at all. There are a lot better ways to get a lower stimulus than simply choosing a crappy exercise because it doesn't work as much! What next - triceps kickbacks because they only use 2%? During the taper you should be focused on technical aspects of the event. I don't see why you would bench or deadlift or do any slow movements at all. If I was using Charlie's reasoning I would be doing a db snatch or something like that. OTOH, I've never trained anyone to a 9.79.... :^) -- Hobman Saskatoon, CANADA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 A small study I published a few years ago (N=15 as I recall) of elite discus throwers (threw 60 meters or more; sample included several world record holders and Olympic medalists; Fahey, T.D Predictors of performance in elite discus throwers Biol.Sport 19:103-108, 2002) found that bench press was the best predictor of performance in those athletes— better than vertical jump, standing long jump, 50 yard dash, snatch, power clean, deadlift, incline press, or standing throw. Of course, this doesn't mean that bench press is the best exercise to improve discus performance but it was the best predictor. The sample included several of the best discus throwers of all-time. My old training partner Dave Weil and also Ludvik Danek had poor bench presses (<135 kg) but were both Olympic medal winners in the event (they weren't in the study). On the other hand, throwers like Ben Plunknet, Mac Wilkins, Al Oerter, and Art Burns (Jarred Rome today) had monster bench presses close to 270 kg. I'm not sure what these results of my study mean (if anything), but it might be a mistake to ignore bench press strength in some power sports. Tom Fahey Dept Kinesiology Cal State Univ, Chico Chico, CA 95929-0330 Re: Bench Press? Mike Doyle wrote: >There are certainly other reasons to use the bench press. We just hosted a seminar with Charlie Francis and he made a point that goes counter to all the proponents of sports specificity. > >As an example, when tapering a sprinter for the 100 meter, as they got close to the actual event, the bench press was used in place of more lower body dominant exercises for the “stimulus†rather than for building strong pushing muscles. Charlie reasoned that the bench press utilizes 35% of all the motor units in the body versus say a deadlift, squat or power clean which may use 70 to 90% of all the motor units in the body. This way the athlete can stimulate the body without over taxing it so close to the actual event. > >One would be wise to investigate this idea when training athletes! It can make the difference between a PR and a pulled muscle or worse! > ======================= I don't see that being a good idea at all. There are a lot better ways to get a lower stimulus than simply choosing a crappy exercise because it doesn't work as much! What next - triceps kickbacks because they only use 2%? During the taper you should be focused on technical aspects of the event. I don't see why you would bench or deadlift or do any slow movements at all. If I was using Charlie's reasoning I would be doing a db snatch or something like that. OTOH, I've never trained anyone to a 9.79.... :^) ============================ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I've helped train someone to a 10.1 and I have no idea what Francis is talking about. (Robt Zmelik, '96 Olympics decathlon 7th) W.G. Ubermensch Sports Consultancy San Diego, CA =============================== Jon Haddan wrote: " OTOH, I've never trained anyone to a 9.79.... " Neither has Charlie Francis (legally). Jon Haddan Irvine, CA --- Hobman wrote: > Mike Doyle wrote: > > >There are certainly other reasons to use the bench > press. We just hosted a seminar with Charlie > Francis and he made a point that goes counter to all > the proponents of sports specificity. > > > >As an example, when tapering a sprinter for the 100 > meter, as they got close to the actual event, the > bench press was used in place of more lower body > dominant exercises for the “stimulus” rather than > for building strong pushing muscles. Charlie > reasoned that the bench press utilizes 35% of all > the motor units in the body versus say a deadlift, > squat or power clean which may use 70 to 90% of all > the motor units in the body. This way the athlete > can stimulate the body without over taxing it so > close to the actual event. > > > >One would be wise to investigate this idea when > training athletes! It can make the difference > between a PR and a pulled muscle or worse! > > > > **** > I don't see that being a good idea at all. There are > a lot better ways > to get a lower stimulus than simply choosing a > crappy exercise because > it doesn't work as much! What next - triceps > kickbacks because they only > use 2%? > > During the taper you should be focused on technical > aspects of the > event. I don't see why you would bench or deadlift > or do any slow > movements at all. If I was using Charlie's reasoning > I would be doing a > db snatch or something like that. > > OTOH, I've never trained anyone to a 9.79.... > > :^) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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