Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Charlyne: It is really sad, but some states and some S?D are still using those terms - or others just as pejorative. (MI, SI, E/BD, etc) which portray labels and not people. And they are not even labels which educationalaly make any sense as you said. Unfortunately, we sometimes have to choose a label in order to get a service or needed services. Still, it all boils down to the teacher and not the label. Elie's last year of h/s was spent in a segregated classroom in the county h/s in a room labeled MMI. He learned more life skills, academics, social skills and made lifelong friends in the community in that room in that year. On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 9:36 PM, charlyne olko wrote: > I haven't heard the word trainable in twenty years. All students can > learn. If a goes to an autism wing they aren't taught but if she > moves to the middle school she is only taught lifeskills, sounds like both > are poor choices. I think you need to observe both programs. Keep in mind > that learning never stops. I see no reason why at age 11 academics should > not be taught with lifeskills. I do not see academics stopped at age 11 for > typical students. > Charlyne > Mom to Zeb 15 DS/OCD/ASD? > > stellarah <stellarah@... <stellarah%40yahoo.com>> wrote: It's spring > time and the weather couldn't be better. I think it was > about 80 degrees yesturday, so I took the kids to the park. We had an > awesome time. a, , and Myles was playing on the swings > while I was walking around the park, (I only walked where I could watch > them of course). All of a sudden I look and a was standing there > with her skirt and panties down.... I can't tell you how emberessed I > was. I ran over there to her and said a why did you take your > clothes off- do you need to use the bathroom. She didn't respond, only > pointed to the swings. so I put her in the swing and swung her and we > played at the playground for a while, then we left. Has anyone ever > experienced something similar? What was your reaction? What did you do? > > An update on her school diagnosis.----We all had to do surveys. (When I > say all I mean the teacher, myself, and the psychologist. Turns out, > she was over 85% likely for ASD, her scores were over 100 on each > evaulation. So the Cole the ESE cordinator over students in > Escambia County actually changed a primary diagnosis from Down > Syndrome to ASD, then Down Syndrome. We are trying to decide if she > should be put in middle school next year. She will be 11 on Tuesday. > She doesn't go to a regular school. She goes to Westgate Center. It's > in Pensacola Fl. What they do there in Middle School is teach everyday > living skills. They told me that they would be working on getting her > ready for life. Examples would be counting money, reconizing signs, and > etc. They want to keep her in the trainable class instead of putting > her in the Autism wing, because we all feel she is capable of learning, > and advancing in the trainable class. She will only have 8 yrs to > benefit from Middle and High School because she will have to graduate > at 19 then they allow the students to work as a vocational school for > two years. What is your thoughts on middle school verses another year > of elementary school. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is just the tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " two years in that district!!!!!!!! Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day in the reg ed classroom. Jayne ViPorier@... wrote: In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pastmidvale@... writes: Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - a step up from retarded. When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what they called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what they called severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this was in Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. Viola **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Spent 8 years in Norfolk. Elie was then in a classroom which had on the door TMR/EMR - the only room in the school without a teacher's name. THAT WAS CHANGED before he entered the classroom and then of course he was never there as he was part of the collaborative model in this self governed school. Were you in Hampton or NPN? On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jayne Hickey wrote: > When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of > inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally > retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is just the > tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " two > years in that district!!!!!!!! > > Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day in > the reg ed classroom. > > Jayne > > > ViPorier@... <ViPorier%40aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com> writes: > > Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - a > step up from retarded. > > When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what they > called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what they > called > severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this was > in > Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. > > Viola > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > ( > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom000300\ 00000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Florida still calls our children educable/trainable/profound...............gross!!!! No matter how much I carry on, they refuse to change it..........supposedly in process, but not quick enough in my opinion. > Spent 8 years in Norfolk. Elie was then in a classroom which had on the > door TMR/EMR - the only room in the school without a teacher's name. THAT > WAS CHANGED before he entered the classroom and then of course he was > never > there as he was part of the collaborative model in this self governed > school. > > Were you in Hampton or NPN? > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jayne Hickey <jacksonsmom99@...<jacksonsmom99%40yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of > > inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally > > retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is just > the > > tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " two > > years in that district!!!!!!!! > > > > Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day > in > > the reg ed classroom. > > > > Jayne > > > > > > ViPorier@... <ViPorier%40aol.com> <ViPorier%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com><pastmidvale%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - a > > step up from retarded. > > > > When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what they > > called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what they > > called > > severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this > was > > in > > Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. > > > > Viola > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on > AOL > > Home. > > ( > > > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom000300\ 00000001 > ) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Sometimes, we cannot change the language, but we can change the signs! And refuse to be intimidated by their language. And always insist that our children - by name- come before any labels!! My son is not a can of soup - he is not labeled. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Jacqui Hawkins wrote: > Florida still calls our children > educable/trainable/profound...............gross!!!! No matter how much I > carry on, they refuse to change it..........supposedly in process, but not > quick enough in my opinion. > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Sara Cohen <pastmidvale@...<pastmidvale%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > Spent 8 years in Norfolk. Elie was then in a classroom which had on the > > door TMR/EMR - the only room in the school without a teacher's name. > THAT > > WAS CHANGED before he entered the classroom and then of course he was > > never > > there as he was part of the collaborative model in this self governed > > school. > > > > Were you in Hampton or NPN? > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jayne Hickey <jacksonsmom99@...<jacksonsmom99%40yahoo.com><jacksonsmom99%40yahoo.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of > > > inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally > > > retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is > just > > the > > > tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " > two > > > years in that district!!!!!!!! > > > > > > Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day > > in > > > the reg ed classroom. > > > > > > Jayne > > > > > > > > > ViPorier@... <ViPorier%40aol.com> <ViPorier%40aol.com> > <ViPorier%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > > pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com><pastmidvale%40gmail.com><pastmidvale%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > > > Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - > a > > > step up from retarded. > > > > > > When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what > they > > > called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what > they > > > called > > > severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this > > was > > > in > > > Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. > > > > > > Viola > > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on > > AOL > > > Home. > > > ( > > > > > > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom000300\ 00000001 > > ) > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 We were in the good old boys network! Ha Ha! We were in Isle of Wight County...field. Yes, the ham for those of you wondering! Hubby was stationed in Norfolk but we opted to live out of the city! I was a PITA to that school district BUT I changed things and that's what mattered the most to me, I wasn't there to make friends! I was very concerned for the naive parents who thought the school truly had their child's best interest at heart. So many of them had no idea what they were entitled to! I know they were really SAD when I moved! Ha! I learned the southern art of drenching everything in sugar when speaking to someone you don't care for! And yes, the squeeky wheel DOES get the oil! Take care, Jayne Sara Cohen wrote: Spent 8 years in Norfolk. Elie was then in a classroom which had on the door TMR/EMR - the only room in the school without a teacher's name. THAT WAS CHANGED before he entered the classroom and then of course he was never there as he was part of the collaborative model in this self governed school. Were you in Hampton or NPN? On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jayne Hickey wrote: > When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of > inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally > retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is just the > tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " two > years in that district!!!!!!!! > > Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day in > the reg ed classroom. > > Jayne > > > ViPorier@... <ViPorier%40aol.com> wrote: > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com> writes: > > Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - a > step up from retarded. > > When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what they > called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what they > called > severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this was > in > Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. > > Viola > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > ( > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom000300\ 00000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 AND THAT " S THE TRUTH!! Norfolk S/D was soooo glad that they did not have to deal with me for middle school!! Bob was stationed at th Amphib base but we lived outside of Gate 4. in Norfolk. Elie's elementary school had 96% on free or reduced lunches and over 50 languages in the school. His have DS was hard to notice with all the new immigrants! They sent 2 buses everyday to transport the kids for ESL. On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Jayne Hickey wrote: > We were in the good old boys network! Ha Ha! We were in Isle of Wight > County...field. Yes, the ham for those of you wondering! Hubby was > stationed in Norfolk but we opted to live out of the city! I was a PITA to > that school district BUT I changed things and that's what mattered the most > to me, I wasn't there to make friends! I was very concerned for the naive > parents who thought the school truly had their child's best interest at > heart. So many of them had no idea what they were entitled to! I know they > were really SAD when I moved! Ha! I learned the southern art of drenching > everything in sugar when speaking to someone you don't care for! And yes, > the squeeky wheel DOES get the oil! > > Take care, > Jayne > > > Sara Cohen <pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com>> wrote: > Spent 8 years in Norfolk. Elie was then in a classroom which had on the > door TMR/EMR - the only room in the school without a teacher's name. THAT > WAS CHANGED before he entered the classroom and then of course he was > never > there as he was part of the collaborative model in this self governed > school. > > Were you in Hampton or NPN? > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Jayne Hickey <jacksonsmom99@...<jacksonsmom99%40yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > When we moved to Virginia in 2004, they were in their first year of > > inclusion and they still tracked the kids as EMR (educable mentally > > retarded) and TMR (trainable mentally retarded). This of course is just > the > > tip of the iceburg of the problems we encountered in our " wonderful " two > > years in that district!!!!!!!! > > > > Much better now in Maine in an autism support classroom and half a day > in > > the reg ed classroom. > > > > Jayne > > > > > > ViPorier@... <ViPorier%40aol.com> <ViPorier%40aol.com> wrote: > > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 10:04:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > > pastmidvale@... <pastmidvale%40gmail.com><pastmidvale%40gmail.com> writes: > > > > Moderately Mentally Impaired - in enlightened GA that IS respectful - a > > step up from retarded. > > > > When we lived in west virginia, 2001-2005, was placed in what they > > called a moderately mentally impaired classroom, they also had what they > > called > > severely impaired classroom, as well as a mild impaired classroom this > was > > in > > Wheeling, 1 hr from pittsburg, and 2 hrs from columbus. > > > > Viola > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on > AOL > > Home. > > ( > > > http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom000300\ 00000001 > ) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I totally support what you are doing. Trisha also goes to specialize school for autism and that too has been a blessing for her. She has made more progress there in the 3 years she has been there than in all the years she was in public school. We can't worry about what others do we have to concentrate on what works for our kids. We have gotten good service providers at the autism school and I think that is because they are private and not employees of the school district. Of course if the school district wasn't paying for the school there would have been no way for us to send her there in this case it was to Trisha's benefit that they wanted to send her elsewhere, I just wouldn't let them send her where they wanted to which was to another public school just as inadequate as the one she was at. Trisha is happy there or at least as happy as she can be being anywhere other than her room at home. :-) Carol Trishasmom She isn't typical, She's Trisha! In a message dated 3/31/2008 7:49:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, stellarah@... writes: Some of you may not agree with me, but Westgate is one of the best things that has happened to a. **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 I know how some of must feel about " our " children being labeled. I choose to keep a in the trainable classroom, because like Cole(ESE specialist) stated a is not typical down syndrome, nor is she only ASD. There is more to her than those labels. I know the teachers and staff very well at Westgate, and I feel like they truly love a. She is blessed to have so much support at her school. Some of you may not agree with me, but Westgate is one of the best things that has happened to a. The school is ONLY for special needs students. The school has all types of children, some of whom, cannot move,talk, etc.They have many wings in the school. Each student gets therapy there, and gets to benefit from their new snozelon complex. Check out the link. This is her school. Were fortunate that everyone loves her there. She has been going there since she was 5. I tired to send her to our local elem school, and it was horrible. She couldn't go to music because she would not stay seated, or communicate with the teacher, her class teacher would tote her everywhere, and didn't even try to challenge her, they let her play with Lego's all day. I asked a case worker, if you had a child like a where would you send him/her. She asked me to tour Westgate and let me know what you think. Check out the web address below, it's a school. www.escambia.k12.fl.us/schscnts/escc/Master/Index.asp a is still working on a Pre-k level. She knows about 9 colors, when directed to tell what they are. She can rote count to 5. She can recognize her name, she can color and cut paper, she can use a mouse on a computer, use the touch screen, and with help go to the bathroom. She has come far this year. I asked her teacher if moved up to middle school would she still work at her level? She assured me that she would. They told me that in speech they would be working on the " wh " questions. I asked what wh was and they said what, where, when, but not why yet. They said why is the hardest. To let you know a little about a has a vocab. of about 50 words. Of course, she only talks when she wants to. lol. She will be 11 tomorrow, and we've only known she has ASD for about a year. She is very tiny, about 50 lbs, and about 3 1/2 feet tall. I'm going to add some pics of her from yesterday, he bday party..... By the way she beat the crap out of me---she was just to excited. My muscles pure ache today. sigh....... Thanks for listening...... ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Sorry I gave yall the wrong web address....Try this one. http://www.escambia.k12.fl.us/schscnts/escc/Snoezelen/ Stella- a's mom ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Hi Stella, I hope you didn't assume that I felt your daughter should go to a public school. I only commented on the inappropriate labels given to the programs. If you feel that her needs are being met then her school is appropriate. I just wanted to clarify any assumptions. Charlyne STELLA HARRELSON wrote: Sorry I gave yall the wrong web address....Try this one. http://www.escambia.k12.fl.us/schscnts/escc/Snoezelen/ Stella- a's mom __________________________________________________________ Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Sorry I gave yall the wrong web address....Try this > one. > > http://www.escambia.k12.fl.us/schscnts/escc/Snoezelen/ > > Stella- a's mom > > __________________________________________________________ > Special deal for Yahoo! users & friends - No Cost. Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text3.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Stella, If I had a choice where we were to have Jake in a school that was like this, I would probably opt for it too. In the summer he goes to an Autism school that he loves but they do not work on academics in the summers. Just the social aspect. They have a snoolzlen (ms) room also. It is Jakes favorite. Jake wil be 9 in 14 days and he weighs 59 pounds but he is in a size 7 clothes. Very tiny in his school. He looks like a preschooler. he has a great teacher so we are lucky. But, although he is in a public school, he is in a life skills class. We love his teacher, he is doing well, and like you said. That is all that matters. Holly Re: Trainable/Educable/LAbels I know how some of must feel about " our " children being labeled. I choose to keep a in the trainable classroom, because like Cole(ESE specialist) stated a is not typical down syndrome, nor is she only ASD. There is more to her than those labels. I know the teachers and staff very well at Westgate, and I feel like they truly love a. She is blessed to have so much support at her school. Some of you may not agree with me, but Westgate is one of the best things that has happened to a. The school is ONLY for special needs students. The school has all types of children, some of whom, cannot move,talk, etc.They have many wings in the school. Each student gets therapy there, and gets to benefit from their new snozelon complex. Check out the link. This is her school. Were fortunate that everyone loves her there. She has been going there since she was 5. I tired to send her to our local elem school, and it was horrible. She couldn't go to music because she would not stay seated, or communicate with the teacher, her class teacher would tote her everywhere, and didn't even try to challenge her, they let her play with Lego's all day. I asked a case worker, if you had a child like a where would you send him/her. She asked me to tour Westgate and let me know what you think. Check out the web address below, it's a school. www.escambia.k12.fl.us/schscnts/escc/Master/Index.asp a is still working on a Pre-k level. She knows about 9 colors, when directed to tell what they are. She can rote count to 5. She can recognize her name, she can color and cut paper, she can use a mouse on a computer, use the touch screen, and with help go to the bathroom. She has come far this year. I asked her teacher if moved up to middle school would she still work at her level? She assured me that she would. They told me that in speech they would be working on the " wh " questions. I asked what wh was and they said what, where, when, but not why yet. They said why is the hardest. To let you know a little about a has a vocab. of about 50 words. Of course, she only talks when she wants to. lol. She will be 11 tomorrow, and we've only known she has ASD for about a year. She is very tiny, about 50 lbs, and about 3 1/2 feet tall. I'm going to add some pics of her from yesterday, he bday party..... By the way she beat the crap out of me---she was just to excited. My muscles pure ache today. sigh....... Thanks for listening...... __________________________________________________________ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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