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In a message dated 3/11/00 3:31:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cslyme@...

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<< I am the short,

fat redhead, you can't miss me. >>

Don't believe what Connies says ! She is the beautiful readhead with the

sweetest smile who loves to shop at the Disney Store : )

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Connie,

Can't wait to see you in Gettysburg. We have so many redheads in our group.

I remember being at NIH and was looking for ? ( I think Marleen), but she

told me I'd recognize her by her red hair. When I got there, there was a sea

of women with red hair. Wonder if Lyme likes red hair or something. Just

teasing. Talk to you soon. I agree the Zith helped me the most, but its so

expensive. I do smoke, but the stains never occurred before I got Lyme. And

I brush at least 6 times a day, maybe more because of the thrush always

making my mouth feel so yucky! Don't worry about the cursing, its a good way

to express yourself, I used to be a bartender and I'm very used to it, and

my husband works around the navy a lot, so he uses the F word on a regular

basis, I have to remind him not to when my son is around. Its just so

natural for some people. And big deal, they are only words. Talk to you

soon. Vicki, Md

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>Hi Vicki,

> I know what you mean about teeth. I was on abx off and on for years

for

>URI's, Sinus, ect. My teeth started to turn and they kept telling me to

stop

>smoking, drinking coffee and tea, none of which I do. The Zith helped me

>the most, I have been on it about 4 years. It is the only thing that helps

>my fibro pain.

> Recently had a bad URI again and he put me on Biaxin Double Strength

>500mgs 2..day. Anyway it gave me a #$%$## of as herx. maybe I should go

>back to Biaxin. I was on Biaxin when I got bit and was so sick, my doctor

>nor I knew about lyme and the Herx's.

> Sorry about the swear words. It had been 6 1/2 years and the more I

>lecture, research, ect, the worse I feel for everyone not understanding our

>plight. And now look how many are going to be chronically ill from the

>vaccine. the circle is forever.

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Connie,

Some how I didn't believe it anyway. She should put some Disney character on

her quilt square. Take care, Vicki

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>In a message dated 3/11/00 3:31:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cslyme@...

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><< I am the short,

> fat redhead, you can't miss me. >>

> Don't believe what Connies says ! She is the beautiful readhead with

the

>sweetest smile who loves to shop at the Disney Store : )

>

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In a message dated 21/04/01 04:43:52 GMT Daylight Time, TADEL630@... writes:

would NEVER have believed a bad tooth could cause that kind of facial pain (3 trips to the E.R. for shots of demerol) - Anyhow, tooth pulled, pain gone!

At least some health problems have easy fixes!!

Hi ,

Glad you got it 'sorted!!'....

looking on the bright side, at least I do not have to worry about my teeth problems!!, and looking on the funny side, as my Wife said, "What are you worried about, you didn't have any when you were a baby !!"

LOL (now how does she know that I have grown up <BG> )...

Mike (from the UK)

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Do you still have your mercury fillings?

Let me know.

Joan

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> i have read somewhere that hulda clark says disease can hide in the <BR>

> teeth and gums, then move to the throat or lungs, and only become <BR>

> apparent as 'disease' there.<BR>

> well, i think i have that. & nbsp; my gums are very sensitive, and i go to <BR>

> the dentist and they check out all my teeth and fill my cavities or <BR>

> whatever, but here i sit.<BR>

> now that i am thinking of it in this way, it does seem to me that my <BR>

> mouth, or my teeth has a cold, or some sort of disease. & nbsp; what can i <BR>

> do to get rid of this? & nbsp; i brush my teeth, floss, use mouthwash, but <BR>

> my teeth and gums are still sensitive to sugar and temperature, even <BR>

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Because if you are experiencing such pain in the mouth the probability is that

-you have mercury poisoning. Those things need to come out and be replaced

with a white compound. Mercury in the mouth is poisonous.

Find a dentist that will do it for you. Not all dentists will .

Find the right one. After that you need to be chelated to get the mercury out of

your tissue. You might even need what is called alveo-plasty which is the

removal of mercury from the jaw line where the stuff seeps in. I've had it all

done and its painless.

I feel 100% better. It's taken me five years of working on it. Have patience .

Just know that you are already on the right track by being on this list.

If you have dental insurance it helps of course. If not you just have one

removed at a time as you can afford it. Hulda talks about the removal of

amalgams in all of her

books. Get the one Calle THE CURE FOR ALL DISEASES.

GOOD LUCK!

JOAN

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In a message dated 2/11/2002 11:06:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, ferry@... writes:

If you have dental insurance it helps of course. If not you just have one removed at a time as you can afford it. Hulda talks about the removal of amalgams in all of her

books. Get the one Calle THE CURE FOR ALL DISEASES.

Also, clostridium bacteria could be a major cause of your teeth trouble...she talks a lot about that and how to control it in her books, too.

Foggs

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In a message dated 17/09/2003 18:21:25 GMT Daylight Time, slm@... writes:

> Is is okay to start chelating myself before I get all my fillings removed?

> Lanna

>

Absolutely NOT! BUt you can start supplementing now in preparation for

chelation (antioxidants, vita nd minerals) and it may help you feel better now

and

when you get the filljngs removed safely :)

Good luck

Mandi in UK

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Roxanna, my dentist will see me at 3:15 on Thursday. It's smushy foods until

then ... actually the OTHER side of my mouth aches and is sensitive to

temperature. I haven't chewed ANYTHING on the broken tooth, scared the

filling will come out.

/ 4makelas@...

Way, Way Up in Northern Ontario

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Jewel,

Do you have Gerald Judd's book? In it he tells you that no

toothpaste is good, bar soap is the only answer to healthy teeth. I

ordered 'The Perfect Prescription For Your Teeth' by K. Van Cleef

who makes Tooth Soap, and she said that if your teeth turn yellow,

use baking soda to whiten them.

I've been using soap on my teeth for a couple of months and find

that they are much cleaner than they were before, even though I used

baking soda and peroxide for many years. I do find that my teeth are

stained from the foods I eat, coffee, and cigarettes. About once a

week just brush one time with baking soda, that should take care of

it.

Judy

--- In , " jeweltoo2002 " <oho@x...>

wrote:

>

> Hi folks,

> Several months ago I stopped using toothpaste with

> glycerine in it. According to Gerald Judd in his book " Good Teeth

from

> Birth to Death " (he also has his basic info on the 'net for free)

> glycerine prevents the teeth from remineralizing. Within a few

weeks

> my teeth went from white to yellow, this also happened to a couple

of

> friends who stopped their usual toothpaste too. I have been using a

> paste that contains several essential oils, one friend uses soap,

the

> other, just water. Previous to this I used a " healthy " toothpaste,

no

> fluoride, sodium laurel sulphate etc.

> Has anyone had this happen? What's up? My teeth aren't more

sensitive,

> no more cavities. I figure teeth should be white not yellow, for

Price

> mentioned the whiteness of the primatives' teeth, and they

certainly

> didn't have toothpaste.

>

> Jewel

>

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I had a similiar thing happen after I stopped using toothpaste. My teeth

were stained up looking, even blotchy. I was using baking soda with some

salt in it to brush my teeth and still this was happening. I was getting so

self conscious I was looking into tooth whiteners, but didn't like the looks

of the ingredients in them. Around this time I started hearing about the

benefits of brushing with soap, so I started brushing in the morning with

homemade lye soap and in the evening I continued with the baking soda and

salt (6:1). I also about this time heard about the Indian plant Neem. I

ordered some dried neem leaves and chewed them up and brushed with the pulp

in addition to the soap or baking soda I was using. I don't know whether it

was the lye soap or the neem or a combination, but the tooth stains are

gone!

Janet

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Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:57:58 -0000

From: " jeweltoo2002 " <oho@...>

Subject: Teeth

Hi folks,

Several months ago I stopped using toothpaste with

glycerine in it. According to Gerald Judd in his book " Good Teeth from

Birth to Death " (he also has his basic info on the 'net for free)

glycerine prevents the teeth from remineralizing. Within a few weeks

my teeth went from white to yellow, this also happened to a couple of

friends who stopped their usual toothpaste too. I have been using a

paste that contains several essential oils, one friend uses soap, the

other, just water. Previous to this I used a " healthy " toothpaste, no

fluoride, sodium laurel sulphate etc.

Has anyone had this happen? What's up? My teeth aren't more sensitive,

no more cavities. I figure teeth should be white not yellow, for Price

mentioned the whiteness of the primatives' teeth, and they certainly

didn't have toothpaste.

Jewel

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When you say " homemade lye soap " I assume you just mean regular soap

since it's usually made with lye? Or does what you're making have some

residual lye in it?! Would you mind sharing your recipe?

I've been using baking soda (no salt) to brush my teeth once a day for

at least four months and have noticed nothing unusual. Although I think

diet plays a big role in how yellow/brown your teeth get. Maybe once a

week I dip my brush in hydrogen peroxide before the baking soda, which

should help with whitening.

Tom

Dodds wrote:

> I had a similiar thing happen after I stopped using toothpaste. My teeth

> were stained up looking, even blotchy. I was using baking soda with some

> salt in it to brush my teeth and still this was happening. I was getting so

> self conscious I was looking into tooth whiteners, but didn't like the looks

> of the ingredients in them. Around this time I started hearing about the

> benefits of brushing with soap, so I started brushing in the morning with

> homemade lye soap and in the evening I continued with the baking soda and

> salt (6:1). I also about this time heard about the Indian plant Neem. I

> ordered some dried neem leaves and chewed them up and brushed with the pulp

> in addition to the soap or baking soda I was using. I don't know whether it

> was the lye soap or the neem or a combination, but the tooth stains are

> gone!

>

> Janet

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Judy,

Thanks for your reply. My friend has Judd's book. I believe that

the toothpaste that I use is okay. As far as I can ascertain, all bar

soap has glycerine, so I avoid it for that reason. So if K. Van Cleef

mentions about teeth going yellow, then it must be a pretty common

thing, and I guess mainly cosmetic rather than a physical problem. I

don't really eat staining foods - meat eggs vegies, except maybe

kombucha? I'll try the b.soda and see how I go.

Jewel

> >

> > Hi folks,

> > Several months ago I stopped using toothpaste with

> > glycerine in it. According to Gerald Judd in his book " Good Teeth

> from

> > Birth to Death " (he also has his basic info on the 'net for free)

> > glycerine prevents the teeth from remineralizing. Within a few

> weeks

> > my teeth went from white to yellow, this also happened to a couple

> of

> > friends who stopped their usual toothpaste too. I have been using a

> > paste that contains several essential oils, one friend uses soap,

> the

> > other, just water. Previous to this I used a " healthy " toothpaste,

> no

> > fluoride, sodium laurel sulphate etc.

> > Has anyone had this happen? What's up? My teeth aren't more

> sensitive,

> > no more cavities. I figure teeth should be white not yellow, for

> Price

> > mentioned the whiteness of the primatives' teeth, and they

> certainly

> > didn't have toothpaste.

> >

> > Jewel

> >

>

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Hi Janet,

Thanks for your reply. I am going to try the b.soda. I have

some powdered neem leaves, so might try that too. Avoiding the soap.

Jewel

--- In , " Dodds " <mdodds@m...>

wrote:

>

> I had a similiar thing happen after I stopped using toothpaste. My

teeth

> were stained up looking, even blotchy. I was using baking soda with

some

> salt in it to brush my teeth and still this was happening. I was

getting so

> self conscious I was looking into tooth whiteners, but didn't like

the looks

> of the ingredients in them. Around this time I started hearing

about the

> benefits of brushing with soap, so I started brushing in the morning

with

> homemade lye soap and in the evening I continued with the baking

soda and

> salt (6:1). I also about this time heard about the Indian plant

Neem. I

> ordered some dried neem leaves and chewed them up and brushed with

the pulp

> in addition to the soap or baking soda I was using. I don't know

whether it

> was the lye soap or the neem or a combination, but the tooth stains are

> gone!

>

> Janet

>

>

> Original Message

> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:57:58 -0000

> From: " jeweltoo2002 " <oho@x...>

> Subject: Teeth

>

> Hi folks,

> Several months ago I stopped using toothpaste with

> glycerine in it. According to Gerald Judd in his book " Good Teeth from

> Birth to Death " (he also has his basic info on the 'net for free)

> glycerine prevents the teeth from remineralizing. Within a few weeks

> my teeth went from white to yellow, this also happened to a couple of

> friends who stopped their usual toothpaste too. I have been using a

> paste that contains several essential oils, one friend uses soap, the

> other, just water. Previous to this I used a " healthy " toothpaste, no

> fluoride, sodium laurel sulphate etc.

> Has anyone had this happen? What's up? My teeth aren't more sensitive,

> no more cavities. I figure teeth should be white not yellow, for Price

> mentioned the whiteness of the primatives' teeth, and they certainly

> didn't have toothpaste.

>

> Jewel

>

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On Nov 10, 2005, at 5:14 AM, jeweltoo2002 wrote:

> Judy,

> Thanks for your reply. My friend has Judd's book. I believe that

> the toothpaste that I use is okay. As far as I can ascertain, all bar

> soap has glycerine,

Why is glycerine bad?

Sandy

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Now that we're on this topic, I would like to talk about the problem with my 7

year old's teeth. Her permanent teeth are all coming in very yellow although

the remaining baby teeth are very white. We are very distressed about this and

I keep trying to figure out where I went wrong. My teeth are extreemly white

and always have been. I've only ever had one cavity - which I think didn't even

need to be filled because it was so small. I did have severe gum disease

however which was cured holistically by Dr. Lawrence in San Diego. Anyway, my

daughter has been on raw milk her whole life. First from me and then from a

cow. I started her on a native diet when she was 5. Her face is very broad and

she is remarkably beautiful otherwise, with glowing color in her cheecks, etc.

When she was a toddler, we brused her teeth with a very small amount of regular

kids flouride toothpaste. I would say a quarter of a pea sized or less. She

didn't really know how to rinse her mouth out, so I know she consumed it all.

We ended up using only one tube of toothpaste during the 2 to 3 years we used

the toothpaste on her because of the very small amount we used. My dental

hygenist said that she would have had to eat many tubes of toothpaste for this

to be the reason for her yellow teeth. By the time the kids toothpaste was

almost gone, I read some scary things about regular toothpaste and we stopped

using anything on her teeth at all. We have used nothing on her except a wet

toothbrush for the last 3 years or so. I like the idea of trying the baking

soda and maybe the other things sugguested, but since the baby teeth are still

white, I'm not sure if this would help whiten her teeth. Does anyone have any

ideas of what could have caused this or what can be done to help her? By the

way, she did not have antibiotics as a baby, which I know can cause yellow

teeth.

I have attached a picture of her which shows the good natural color in her face

and lips, but also shows the new yellow teeth - four on the bottom and the two

on the top. You can also see her two bottom eye teeth on the outer sides of her

mouth in the picture. These are her baby teeth and you can see how white they

are compared to the adult ones.

Helen

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Sandy-

>Why is glycerine bad?

Glycerine is a problem in toothpaste because it forms a barrier layer

on the teeth that's extremely hard to rinse off and which seriously

impairs tooth remineralization through saliva.

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>I have attached a picture of her which shows the good natural color

>in her face and lips, but also shows the new yellow teeth - four on

>the bottom and the two on the top. You can also see her two bottom

>eye teeth on the outer sides of her mouth in the picture. These are

>her baby teeth and you can see how white they are compared to the adult ones.

Attachments don't come through 's mail system, but if you upload

the picture to the files section, people can check it out.

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Yes, Pain can happen anywhere. Dolores Rosner

Kathy <sunbriar@...> wrote: Can anyone tell me, do rheumatic

diseases also cause tooth aches? Ive recently been diagnosed with psoriatic

arthritis, but Ive had painful teeth for years (that no dentist could find a

reason for) I find the meds for the PsA seem to have gotten rid of the tooth

pain also. Kathy

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Kathy, when I have a flare and my jaw joints get inflamed sometimes it feels

like tooth pain. The hinge part of my jaw feels stiff, ouchy, and slow, and I

notice my teeth hurt too. If your tooth pain coincides with a flare, I'd be

suspicious that it's the RA. Feel better, Kate F

Re: rheumatic teeth

Yes, Pain can happen anywhere. Dolores Rosner

Kathy <sunbriarwv (DOT) net> wrote: Can anyone tell me, do rheumatic diseases also

cause tooth aches? Ive recently been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, but Ive

had painful teeth for years (that no dentist could find a reason for) I find the

meds for the PsA seem to have gotten rid of the tooth pain also. Kathy

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Kathy,

Go to www.google.com and enter the following search term:

temporomandibular joint (TMJ) disorders +arthritis

The top ten pages found indicate that pain in the jaws and teeth can

be a manifestation of rheumatoid arthritis (RA) and other types of arthritis.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001227.htm

" The temporomandibular joints (TMJs) connect your lower jaw to your

skull. There are two matching joints -- one on each side of your

head, located just in front of your ears. The abbreviation " TMJ "

literally refers to the joint, but is often used to refer to any

disorders or symptoms of this region. Such problems include popping

sounds in the jaw, inability to fully open the mouth, jaw pain,

headaches, earaches, toothaches, and various other types of facial pain... "

http://www.ada.org/public/topics/tmd_tmj.asp

" More than fifteen percent of American adults suffer from chronic

facial pain. Some common symptoms include pain in or around the ear,

tenderness of the jaw, clicking or popping noises when opening the

mouth, or even headaches and neck aches... Some TMJ problems result

from arthritis, dislocation, and injury. All of these conditions can

cause pain and dysfunction. "

http://www.merck.com/mmhe/sec08/ch116/ch116a.html

" Rheumatoid arthritis, a disease in which the body attacks its own

cells (an autoimmune disease), causing inflammation, affects the

temporomandibular joint in about 17% of people with this type of

arthritis. The temporomandibular joint generally is the last joint to

be affected by rheumatoid arthritis. "

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec08/ch097/ch097c.html

" The TMJ is affected in > 50% of adults and children with RA, but it

is usually among the last joints affected. Pain, swelling, and

limited movement are the most common findings. In children,

destruction of the condyle results in mandibular growth disturbance

and facial deformity. Ankylosis may follow. X-rays of the TMJ are

usually negative in early stages but later show bone destruction,

which may result in an anterior open-bite deformity. The diagnosis is

suggested by TMJ inflammation associated with polyarthritis and is

confirmed by other findings typical of the disease. Treatment is

similar to that of RA in other joints. In the acute stage, NSAIDs may

be given, and jaw function should be restricted. A night guard or

splint is often helpful. When symptoms subside, mild jaw exercises

help prevent excessive loss of motion. Surgery is necessary if

ankylosis develops, but should not be performed until the condition

is quiescent. "

Sincerely, Harald

At 08:01 AM 5/15/2007, you wrote:

>Can anyone tell me, do rheumatic diseases also cause tooth aches?

>Ive recently been diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis, but Ive had

>painful teeth for years (that no dentist could find a reason for) I

>find the meds for the PsA seem to have gotten rid of the tooth pain also.

>Kathy

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Hi Kathy! Geoff here.

You asked:

" Can anyone tell me, do rheumatic diseases also cause tooth aches? "

Clenching or grinding your teeth at night can cause this, plus gum issues as

well.

You might want to go to a drug store, e.g., Long's, and buy a NightGuard or

Stressgard splint (tooth appliance). They're inexpensive (< $30) and work very

well. They're especially nice for arthritics because:

a) They don't cost $1,600+ like a similar appliance made by a DDS;

B) They're soft so they give when you clench, unlike the hard ones from

the DDS; and

c) You fashion these from a kit in an hour or so, unlike the 2-3 visits

to the DDS;but

d) They wear out faster than the DDS ones.

The reason I found out about these was because my DDS several years ago wanted

me to wear a splint (same thing) at night so if my bite changed with the RA, or

if I ground or clenched my teeth, I would wear out his splint, not my teeth or

TMJ. $800 later (that was the deposit on the $1,600 appliance,) I spent 8 hrs

in the DDS chair because the splint was wrong and he worked with a high-phenol

material to make another one. I never did get the splint from the DDS, but his

phenolic resins put me into a flare that lasted more than 6 months. I could

barely stand when I left his office.

I used the $30 hypoallergenic NightGuard from the local drug store that you prep

yourself in about an hour following their very simple instructions. If you get

it wrong, buy another and do it again. It's faster, substantially cheaper, does

the exact same job, but because it's soft your jaw and teeth don't get so

stressed. If I'd seen the Stressgard there, I would have bought it instead

because it's even easier to use and less expensive.

(A DDS years ago gave me a Stressgard. He said the DDS splints were a waste of

money compared to it, and only needed in very specific and unusual cases.

Specific and unusual has now been translated to " anyone who grinds at night "

(which is everyone at one time or another) as a means of generating more income.

I fell into that trap.)

Even if they only lasted 6 months, you'd have to buy them for at least 26 YEARS

before you reach the cost of the FIRST ONE at the DDS. And his wear out too!

NightGuard: http://www.dentalconcepts.com/html/nightguard.html

Stressgard: http://www.totalgard.com/ (even less expensive and work well

if they fit OK)

HTH

Geoff

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