teeth

[Guest guest]

thanks for the reminder.....my night guard only cost

about 300 at the dentist and it is hard plastic or

whatever......so i think your dds is outrageous to

charge so much......

but mine is wearing out and i need a new one......i

will definitely try this....

Deb

--- Geoff <geoff@...> wrote:

> Hi Kathy! Geoff here.

>

> You asked:

> " Can anyone tell me, do rheumatic diseases also

> cause tooth aches? "

>

> Clenching or grinding your teeth at night can cause

> this, plus gum issues as well.

>

> You might want to go to a drug store, e.g., Long's,

> and buy a NightGuard or Stressgard splint (tooth

> appliance). They're inexpensive (< $30) and work

> very well. They're especially nice for arthritics

> because:

>

> a) They don't cost $1,600+ like a similar

> appliance made by a DDS;

>

> They're soft so they give when you clench,

> unlike the hard ones from the DDS; and

>

> c) You fashion these from a kit in an hour or

> so, unlike the 2-3 visits to the DDS;but

>

> d) They wear out faster than the DDS ones.

>

> The reason I found out about these was because my

> DDS several years ago wanted me to wear a splint

> (same thing) at night so if my bite changed with the

> RA, or if I ground or clenched my teeth, I would

> wear out his splint, not my teeth or TMJ. $800

> later (that was the deposit on the $1,600

> appliance,) I spent 8 hrs in the DDS chair because

> the splint was wrong and he worked with a

> high-phenol material to make another one. I never

> did get the splint from the DDS, but his phenolic

> resins put me into a flare that lasted more than 6

> months. I could barely stand when I left his

> office.

>

> I used the $30 hypoallergenic NightGuard from the

> local drug store that you prep yourself in about an

> hour following their very simple instructions. If

> you get it wrong, buy another and do it again. It's

> faster, substantially cheaper, does the exact same

> job, but because it's soft your jaw and teeth don't

> get so stressed. If I'd seen the Stressgard there,

> I would have bought it instead because it's even

> easier to use and less expensive.

>

> (A DDS years ago gave me a Stressgard. He said the

> DDS splints were a waste of money compared to it,

> and only needed in very specific and unusual cases.

> Specific and unusual has now been translated to

> " anyone who grinds at night " (which is everyone at

> one time or another) as a means of generating more

> income. I fell into that trap.)

>

> Even if they only lasted 6 months, you'd have to buy

> them for at least 26 YEARS before you reach the cost

> of the FIRST ONE at the DDS. And his wear out too!

>

> NightGuard:

> http://www.dentalconcepts.com/html/nightguard.html

> Stressgard: http://www.totalgard.com/ (even

> less expensive and work well if they fit OK)

>

> HTH

>

>

>

> Geoff

>

> Acts 2:39

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I do believe the nightguard is fitted to your teeth by heating the plastic

in hot water and then imprinting your bite. The form stays put when the

plastic cools.

Take care,

Ute

[Guest guest]

when my son was 4, he had to have 4 of his bottom baby teeth capped

and numerous other teeth filled due to decay. Yes we also brushed his

teeth 2x day.

But I read a research item back then (I don't have it) and compared it

to the information

I had recd on my cat (my 3 yr old had 'fevers of mysterious origin' for

the first 3 yrs of her life.

We took her to a vet-dentist when 2 fangs fell out. She had to have 90%

of her teeth removed to due

dental decay and we also brushed her teeth 2x week (when you start off

as kittens, it's easier).

The vet-dentist said some cats are just predisposed to dental decay.

Perhaps the fevers caused the decay or the decay caused the fevers.

She could also have had problems with viruses, esp herpes, since herpes

infections

are very high in cats .. esp HHV6.

so putting 1+1 together...

had to be put under so that the 4 resin crowns could be put on and

cleaning done.

They eventually fell out and currently his teeth look good. The dentist

hasn't found any cavities yet.

He is on a GFCF diet with low sugar. The dentist has suggested filling

the molors to prevent

cavities but I've read some negative information on this composite.

doris

land

Posted by: " Wonderwegian & Chile J & C " carriecox@...

<mailto:carriecox@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20cavities>

wonderwegian <wonderwegian>

Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:46 pm (PST)

My son had cavities filled about two years ago. (And I didn't

attempt to bring him to a dentist until he was 6, and then it took three

tries to find the right dentist for us). His pediatric dentist said it

was nothing we did/didn't do to cause the cavities, but that his enamel

was weak... which was caused by high fever as an infant.

If this is true, that probably explains the high ratio of cavities for

our kids. I know my son was sick a lot as a baby- ear infections and

when he had Roseola (HHV-6 infection) he had a very high fever.

- in Mobile, AL

____________

______________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Re: diet

Oh man, am I the only one that has to give food reports so

often?!? Seriously, I think that a big part of why we have to do

is that we just can't seem to get everything under control. Yes,

he's progressing very well but we can't get his titers down, his dark

circles haven't even remotely budged, he is not only very self

limiting in his foods but he also simply doesn't want to eat. He

eats very little and usually waits until he is absolutely starving

and even then, he will *only* eat certain things. I will say that we

may have found our first clue as to why he doesn't eat, though. I

just took him to the dentist for the first time and he had *six*

(!!!!!!) cavities! (Yes, we brush his teeth!) So we're actually

hoping that that's the reason why he won't eat - it hurts! He never

did eat a lot but he would at least eat. He did start to pick up his

eating for a few months but was still limiting but then all of a

sudden he stopped and is eating waaay less than he ever did and

*always* wants to drink. He gets his cavities filled on Thursday so

I'm hoping next week will bring about more eating (cross your fingers

for me, everyone!). I really don't know why I'm giving him a food

diary so much since, quite honestly, it doesn't ever change except to

get smaller when Dr. G tells me to cut something. Every once in a

while something new will show up on the radar but it never lasts very

long before it's rejected again.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Can the teeth be 'painted'? My dd (former preemie, predisposed to holes in

the enamel), had grooves in her teeth and one molar got a cavity when she

was 4. The dentist said no amount of brushing would have prevented the

cavity because the brush can't reach the whole surface, and he sealed the

rest of her teeth (wish he'd done that BEFORE the cavity).

Kristy

re: teeth

when my son was 4, he had to have 4 of his bottom baby teeth capped

and numerous other teeth filled due to decay. Yes we also brushed his

teeth 2x day.

But I read a research item back then (I don't have it) and compared it

to the information

I had recd on my cat (my 3 yr old had 'fevers of mysterious origin' for

the first 3 yrs of her life.

We took her to a vet-dentist when 2 fangs fell out. She had to have 90%

of her teeth removed to due

dental decay and we also brushed her teeth 2x week (when you start off

as kittens, it's easier).

The vet-dentist said some cats are just predisposed to dental decay.

Perhaps the fevers caused the decay or the decay caused the fevers.

She could also have had problems with viruses, esp herpes, since herpes

infections

are very high in cats .. esp HHV6.

so putting 1+1 together...

had to be put under so that the 4 resin crowns could be put on and

cleaning done.

They eventually fell out and currently his teeth look good. The dentist

hasn't found any cavities yet.

He is on a GFCF diet with low sugar. The dentist has suggested filling

the molors to prevent

cavities but I've read some negative information on this composite.

doris

land

Posted by: " Wonderwegian & Chile J & C " carriecox@...

<mailto:carriecox@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20cavities>

wonderwegian <wonderwegian>

Sat Oct 13, 2007 7:46 pm (PST)

My son had cavities filled about two years ago. (And I didn't

attempt to bring him to a dentist until he was 6, and then it took three

tries to find the right dentist for us). His pediatric dentist said it

was nothing we did/didn't do to cause the cavities, but that his enamel

was weak... which was caused by high fever as an infant.

If this is true, that probably explains the high ratio of cavities for

our kids. I know my son was sick a lot as a baby- ear infections and

when he had Roseola (HHV-6 infection) he had a very high fever.

- in Mobile, AL

____________

______________

Reality lies beyond the horizon...

Wonderwegian

Re: diet

Oh man, am I the only one that has to give food reports so

often?!? Seriously, I think that a big part of why we have to do

is that we just can't seem to get everything under control. Yes,

he's progressing very well but we can't get his titers down, his dark

circles haven't even remotely budged, he is not only very self

limiting in his foods but he also simply doesn't want to eat. He

eats very little and usually waits until he is absolutely starving

and even then, he will *only* eat certain things. I will say that we

may have found our first clue as to why he doesn't eat, though. I

just took him to the dentist for the first time and he had *six*

(!!!!!!) cavities! (Yes, we brush his teeth!) So we're actually

hoping that that's the reason why he won't eat - it hurts! He never

did eat a lot but he would at least eat. He did start to pick up his

eating for a few months but was still limiting but then all of a

sudden he stopped and is eating waaay less than he ever did and

*always* wants to drink. He gets his cavities filled on Thursday so

I'm hoping next week will bring about more eating (cross your fingers

for me, everyone!). I really don't know why I'm giving him a food

diary so much since, quite honestly, it doesn't ever change except to

get smaller when Dr. G tells me to cut something. Every once in a

while something new will show up on the radar but it never lasts very

long before it's rejected again.

Cheryl

[Guest guest]

Charcot Marie Tooth disease has nothing to do with teeth.

[Guest guest]

Not so fast! See the link: http://www.lindacrabtree.com/cmtnews/index.html

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

gfijig

Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:26 PM

Subject: teeth

Charcot Marie Tooth disease has nothing to do with teeth.

[Guest guest]

Re the LC site: that is ancient information. Only in " Reactions to epinephrine

in freezing " it states " Some of us do have problems with dentistry though mainly

because we may not feel pain the same as everyone else (we may feel it more or

less) or we have adverse reactions to the ingredients of dental freezing " .

Do you realize how many millions of non-CMT affected people are affected by pain

sensations and dental processes?

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My endodontist calls that a failed root canal. I had one too in a tooth where

the original procedure was 20 years earlier. The thing is, if they did the

first root canal properly, you shouldn't feel any pain when there is a failure.

When they do a root canal, they are supposed to remove all the roots, and the

roots are the part of the tooth that allows us to feel pain there in the first

place. It is actually quite common for root canals to fail over time.

My endodontist was surprised that I said I did have some pain, as the one that

failed was next to another tooth that had also been done 20 yrs ago, but that

one seems fine. That is, he was surprised until he found that the original

endo had missed a part of one root, and that might have been why it was tender.

Interestingly, the whole darn area aches whenever I chew a lot of hard candy or

when my sinuses are acting up.

As for the CMT/teeth connection, I doubt it. Everybody in my family has crummy

teeth, with or without CMT!

[Guest guest]

My son has the same sensory issues! He is horrible with new foods and gags at

something unfamiliar. When he was younger, his PT did all kinds of things with

brushes and stuff to try and " desensitize " his limbs and things. He is so

sensitive to touch and pain.

For me, I have always had issues with novacaine and never seem to get enough to

keep the feeling away. Now that I think about it, there are also many things I

will not eat and it is because of the way they feel, not because of taste.

>

> Just to add to the conversation, CMT is also known as Hereditary Motor Sensory

Neuropothy (HMSN). My son has sensory issues effecting his eating as he has

texture issues. I have heard from two different doctors that it is related to

his CMT sensory effects. So you may have more sensitive teeth if you have CMT.

>

> Lori

>

[Guest guest]

This is true, but you can have decreased sensation in your mouth. CMT can even

affect swallowing. EXTREMELY RARE!!!

>

> CMT has absolutely NOTHING to do with your teeth.

>

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

> Dana

> We found that our son has pain--4 impacted wisdom teeth that are going to need

to come out.

I had 13 teeth pulled when I was 13. Four of them were impacted wisdom teeth.

Two of those teeth were fused to the bone.

My kids have been late in having their teeth fall out. I learned that it

requires thyroid hormone for the roots of primary teeth to dissolve. It also

requires thyroid hormone for the body to convert carotenes, which was my son's

biggest food problem.

I started thyroid support supplements [selenium, iodine, and tyrosine], and

within 3 weeks, my #3 lost the four teeth that it was looking like I would have

to have pulled. #2 has lost two teeth already, after not losing teeth for many

years [he is 14 now]. I started those supps for myself, and have lost several

issues already.

I don't know if your son's problem is related to thyroid, but definitely

something to consider. Just beware of regular thyroid tests. My #4 had a

regular thyroid test from her ped, which showed normal, but she also benefited

from thyroid support supps. Tyrosine is the last supp my kids need, so soon we

will be supplement free!

Dana

[Guest guest]

Could these help in making this surgery easier for him? My older son had wisdom

teeth just like this and had to have them removed at 17. They are growing

sideways into the teeth next to them. I had to have a wisdom tooth drilled out

of the bone when I was in my 40's. It was pretty bad.

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: teeth

Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010, 9:44 AM

 

> Dana

> We found that our son has pain--4 impacted wisdom teeth that are going to need

to come out.

I had 13 teeth pulled when I was 13. Four of them were impacted wisdom teeth.

Two of those teeth were fused to the bone.

My kids have been late in having their teeth fall out. I learned that it

requires thyroid hormone for the roots of primary teeth to dissolve. It also

requires thyroid hormone for the body to convert carotenes, which was my son's

biggest food problem.

I started thyroid support supplements [selenium, iodine, and tyrosine], and

within 3 weeks, my #3 lost the four teeth that it was looking like I would have

to have pulled. #2 has lost two teeth already, after not losing teeth for many

years [he is 14 now]. I started those supps for myself, and have lost several

issues already.

I don't know if your son's problem is related to thyroid, but definitely

something to consider. Just beware of regular thyroid tests. My #4 had a regular

thyroid test from her ped, which showed normal, but she also benefited from

thyroid support supps. Tyrosine is the last supp my kids need, so soon we will

be supplement free!

Dana

[Guest guest]

where can i find what dosage(s) of those supplements to give my 8yr old? 

thanks

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: teeth

Received: Tuesday, 22 June, 2010, 9:44 PM

 

> Dana

> We found that our son has pain--4 impacted wisdom teeth that are going to need

to come out.

I had 13 teeth pulled when I was 13. Four of them were impacted wisdom teeth.

Two of those teeth were fused to the bone.

My kids have been late in having their teeth fall out. I learned that it

requires thyroid hormone for the roots of primary teeth to dissolve. It also

requires thyroid hormone for the body to convert carotenes, which was my son's

biggest food problem.

I started thyroid support supplements [selenium, iodine, and tyrosine], and

within 3 weeks, my #3 lost the four teeth that it was looking like I would have

to have pulled. #2 has lost two teeth already, after not losing teeth for many

years [he is 14 now]. I started those supps for myself, and have lost several

issues already.

I don't know if your son's problem is related to thyroid, but definitely

something to consider. Just beware of regular thyroid tests. My #4 had a regular

thyroid test from her ped, which showed normal, but she also benefited from

thyroid support supps. Tyrosine is the last supp my kids need, so soon we will

be supplement free!

Dana

[Guest guest]

> where can i find what dosage(s) of those supplements to give my 8yr old?

I started with conservative doses. 50mcg iodine, 50mcg selenium, 250mg

tyrosine. I did selenium first, then iodine, then tyrosine.

Dana