RE: Re: Finished Son's Assessment, Need a Valium

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Dear Liz,

Good for you! Be aware that

the electrodes are of very soft metal and the more often they bend, the more

likely they will be to break. The hot water makes them bend very easily! But

if you don’t have to scrub them with a toothbrush like I did, it might

not be so much of a problem.

There is someone who

contributes fairly regularly to this listserve, and who has made a headband (I

think it’s called Neuroband) and several people seem to be using it. It’s

not expensive, and it might be a good strategy for you. If you’d care to

repost with Neuroband in the subject line, I’ll bet you’ll get some

help answering that question.

Good luck!

Jill

From: braintrainer [mailto:braintrainer ] On Behalf Of lizmargoshes

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008

3:59 PM

To: braintrainer

Subject: Re:

Finished Son's Assessment, Need a Valium

Jill,

I use the cups and I do get that little bit of paste through the hole.

I actually have no trouble cleaning them. I soak them immediately in a

bowl of very hot water and all the paste miraculously dissolves.

I'm wondering how saline would work as an alternative, since I seem to

be so messy. I guess you need a headband then to keep the electrodes on?

LIz

> >

> > Hi Liz,

> > Hope you had some good wine :-). Or Valium.

> > I find it effective to get little snap hair clips to hold hair

> out of the way. They look like little elongated triangles. Your son

> might have a problem with using them if you let him know that they're

> a 'girl thing' but if you approach from the back, he won't know what

> they are - I've never had a problem with either boys or girls using

> them. They don't always stay in place very well, depending upon the

> length of the hair. But all you need is few seconds to prep and get

> your paste on. Then scoop up a little more paste on your electrode

> and slap it right on there. Cover it with a cotton ball and you're

> good to go. Also, you can use an elastic headband to hold the

> electrodes or the wires in place while training. It's OK to smoosh

> the paste around if necessary, and as you practice doing it, you'll

> find that you require less and less paste to get a good 'stick'.

> > Do you know how to check impedance with the Infiniti so you know

> that you've got a good contact? Also, if your son uses hair gel or

> pomade or something it can interfere with both contact and the paste

> 'staying put'.

> > When you're ready to clean up, use a wet washcloth which has

> been in the microwave for about 20 seconds. Cool it off a little if

> necessary, and it should not be wringing wet. I find that cleaning up

> the paste is a snap with the washcloth, plus you can fold it over and

> rub again with another spot if you need to. The paste seems to melt

> pretty well into the warm moist cloth. Other alternatives: diaper

> wipes, alcohol on a cotton ball, or wait until you're done and let him

> do it himself.

> >

> > Jill

> >

> > Finished Son's Assessment, Need a Valium

> >

> >

> > hello there,

> >

> > Just " finished " 14-year-old son w/ADHD's assessment.

> >

> > Had a horrible time getting decent signals (he has decided to

grow his

> > hair long, and it's thick!). After much work (in between

recordings he

> > decided to be " as distractible and fidgety as possible to get it

all

> > out of me!! " (this included growling, stomping, fuming, etc., as

I

> > begged him not to disturb the electrodes on his head) we got it

> done, BUT

> >

> > (1) there is some STRANGE stuff going on during the last two

> > recordings in the assessment, although the impedances were okay.

Very

> > spiky.

> >

> > (2) could anybody walk me through (AGAIN) how to get the recordings

> > into folders that can be mailed to Pete? This is from the Infiniti.

> >

> > [(3) I simply don't get the idea of not putting electrodes on the

> > hair, since the spaces between hairs are MUCH tinier than the

diameter

> > of the electodes. Just doesn't make sense to me. You have to stick

> > them on SOME hair]

> >

> > (4) I just don't understand how you (generic) do these hookups

without

> > getting goop everywhere!

> >

> > I am trying, simultaneously, to:

> >

> > find site; hold hair aside to make as much space as possible; while

> > holding hair aside, use free hand to grab some prep stuff(if person

> > happens to move head while this is going on , my finger slips

and the

> > proper site is ---gone --- and I have to find it all over

again); rub

> > prep on site; turn to get electrode that I have put paste on

already;

> > hope that in this process the site that I've prepped doesn't

disappear

> > into the rest of the hair AGAIN; put electrode on, in the process

> > smooshing some paste outside of the electrode, more likely than

not on

> > hair around the site; ETC.; hope to god the thing stays on and

doesn't

> > start SLIDING AROUND (because it is on hair; because there is a

LOT of

> > hair); repeat 10 times!!!

> >

> > What am I doing wrong here, or is it time to spring for the Activ

> > Electrodes?

> >

> > (And is it possible to use snap-on electrodes for EEG? How do they

> work?)

> >

> > thank you, very frustrated, need some wine (at least)

> >

>