Re: Re: Perseveration help.....

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This is a tricky one as he's been in love with this book for 11 years.

Beating a perseverative behavior is difficult with any child, and especially

difficult if he's had it for so long. Have you tried the PECS Wait system?

It's difficult to explain by typing, but if you've not tried it, I could try

and explain it to you, just let me know.

Other than that, will he tolerate photocopies of the pages to rip instead of

the book itself? Can he get the same satisfaction from ripping copies vs

the real deal? That at last would save you a lot of money on that book.

> We have the living book, videos, audios, scanned copies and in the

> past, laminated copies. He likes the feel and sound of tearing the

> book. I equate his need for the book as an alcoholics need for

> booze. He goes through a ritual - he goes through the book first.

> Then he tears about 1/2 inch at the top throughout the book, then he

> tears the pages out completely (at an angel). He'll line them up in

> a circle or he'll throw them up in the air (with a fan pushing the

> pages several feet away) and repeat the process. He can go weeks

> without the book. He can get through the school day knowing it's in

> his bookbag. I probably buy 30 copies each year, if not more. He's

> had the fascination with green eggs and ham since he was four years

> old (that is him in Libby Kumin's communication book) and he is now

> 15. Sometimes I can substitute with a magazine.

>

> When I got him the book the other day, he also asked for One Fish,

> Two Fish. I told him we'd get it when we went to the doctors. As

> soon as we got to the doctors, he started in with the " I want a

> book " . He hit me several times while at the same time loving up to

> me. I really think at this point in time, he is drugged up from new

> medications or he wouldn't have hit me.

>

> I just want to know how to redirct him when he gets stuck. btW, the

> kid is so strong, he will tear up the thick laminated pages and

> anything sewn.

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> shawna@...> wrote:

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> > nathan is also a huge green eggs and ham fan, has i think 4 books,

> a living book for the computer, and a video. I would suggest either

> download the audio version from itunes, or where ever,and then mabe

> buy a book and make copies of the pages and laminate those, make

> into a book for him. what about fabric? will he rip it? you could

> copy the pages and print onto fabric and sew him up a book too, that

> could even be washable let alone very durable. shawna

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> > Wishing all a very Merry Chirstmas!

> > http://sewshawna.blogspot.com

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[Guest guest]

I love a challenge, hmmm, when i redirect nathan i do it immediately, especially

if having a tantrum like for food or a game etc, i think of something i know he

likes and redirect immediately, like he will be yellling about a snack and its

not time for a snack, i will say something like oh i think schooby doo is coming

on pretty soon, lets go see,  where is your dvd player, or where is your wcw

game, want to play some uno with me, the list goes on. I know it will be hard,

but i would get a book and every time he goes to rip it, give him a tablet and

intruct him he is allowed to rip this not the book, make social stories about it

too, rip the notebook not the reading book, have the school involved too. Also

does he do any sensory integration throughout the day?  replacing this ripping

sensation with others throughout the day may also help decrease this. when

nathan was very into dangling his strings, we had to put a timer on it for him

he had to

keep them in a basket on the entertainment stand and in his pocket at school

until he did his tasks and then was allowed a few minutes with a timer to stim

and then be done. he still stims on occasion, but nothing like he did when he

was younger, infact rarely asks for them lately. hope this helps, i know someone

else on the list will help come up with something that may help. shawna

Wishing all a very Merry Chirstmas!

 http://sewshawna.blogspot.com

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Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2008 9:59:12 PM

Subject: Re: Perseveration help.....

We have the living book, videos, audios, scanned copies and in the

past, laminated copies. He likes the feel and sound of tearing the

book. I equate his need for the book as an alcoholics need for

booze. He goes through a ritual - he goes through the book first.

Then he tears about 1/2 inch at the top throughout the book, then he

tears the pages out completely (at an angel). He'll line them up in

a circle or he'll throw them up in the air (with a fan pushing the

pages several feet away) and repeat the process. He can go weeks

without the book. He can get through the school day knowing it's in

his bookbag. I probably buy 30 copies each year, if not more. He's

had the fascination with green eggs and ham since he was four years

old (that is him in Libby Kumin's communication book) and he is now

15. Sometimes I can substitute with a magazine.

When I got him the book the other day, he also asked for One Fish,

Two Fish. I told him we'd get it when we went to the doctors. As

soon as we got to the doctors, he started in with the " I want a

book " . He hit me several times while at the same time loving up to

me. I really think at this point in time, he is drugged up from new

medications or he wouldn't have hit me.

I just want to know how to redirct him when he gets stuck. btW, the

kid is so strong, he will tear up the thick laminated pages and

anything sewn.

shawna@...> wrote:

>

> nathan is also a huge green eggs and ham fan, has i think 4 books,

a living book for the computer, and a video. I would suggest either

download the audio version from itunes, or where ever,and then mabe

buy a book and make copies of the pages and laminate those, make

into a book for him. what about fabric? will he rip it? you could

copy the pages and print onto fabric and sew him up a book too, that

could even be washable let alone very durable. shawna

>  

> Wishing all a very Merry Chirstmas!

>  http://sewshawna. blogspot. com

>

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> From: c1ndysue2 <cindysue@.. .>

> To: @yahoogrou ps.com

> Sent: Sunday, December 7, 2008 10:26:38 AM

> Subject: Perseveration help.....

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> Hi, This is , mom to who is now 15. It's been a long

> time since I posted. We got rid of all of 's extra labels

and

> changed it over to PDD, NOS in April. He got that from his service

> agency-not KKI. Anyway, that is the best thing we have done for him

> and we should have done it years ago.

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> Anyway, one of 's most challenging behaviors is

perseveration -

> and it's almost always on a book (Green Eggs and Ham). We can be

> anywhere and he gets the thought and sticks to it until he gets the

> book. Last night, we were stuck on an interstate outside of

> Baltimore for 5 1/2 hours due to icy roads. He must have asked for

> the book a thousand times. When we finally got to our local Walmart

> around midnight, they were out of them and he was content getting a

> new video. This morning, he is watching the movie for the third

time

> and now is asking for the book. He is content with tearing up a

> large magazine for now (he always tears the book up after he goes

> through the pages once or twice-then he carries the pages around).

I

> know he will start asking for the book again soon.

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> He use to hit me after asking for the book a few times - last night

> he only hit (and not hard) me once. So in that regard, progress has

> been made. My son in law took him outside on the road to show him

> how icy it was and also to see the line of vehicles that were

> stranded behind and in front of us. He continued to ask for the

book.

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> Any tips for handling this behavior would be greatly appreciated.

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