Re: What about children that are known to harm other children/safety issues

[Guest guest]

The issue of abuse of children in schools is getting more attention. It is

abuse to paddle a child, restrain a child, isolate in a separate room

alone. Were anyone on this list to tdo ANY of these things to their own

children, there could be cause for charges. But schools have been pretty

much immune to any action by DFCS or by the police. THIS IS GOING TO

CHANGE. No, that does not mean that an aggressive child should be allowed

to have access to other children to harm them. BUT there are methods of

molding behavior, using staff to act as directors when properly trained.

It is much cheaper and easier to beat a kid, strap him to a chair or lock

him in a room. IT costs money and takes time to re-shape behavior and it

takes staff training.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM, wrote:

> , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

> classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

> into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

> best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

> lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

> deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

> another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

> explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

> saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

> this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

> and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

> the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

> out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

> board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

> said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

> kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

> child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

> the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

> done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

> that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

> to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

> therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

> time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

> these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

> child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

> showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

> his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

> sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

> train any child. Cyndi B

>

>

>

--

Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

This is changing slowly. I know that NY and Ct have recently made changes to the

state regs, however, it happens everyday despite it being a violation. Many

times the violations are more subtle in nature in states with regs. Many

teachers will move a student into an isolated empty area that is not called a

timeout room but serves as the same purpose, stating a sensory break. Teachers

have been known to grab a wrist with more strength than necessary. It happens

despite the regs. Parents need to be aware and never assume that all is well,

many times it is not.

Charlyne

> , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

> classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

> into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

> best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

> lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

> deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

> another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

> explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

> saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

> this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

> and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

> the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

> out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

> board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

> said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

> kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

> child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

> the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

> done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

> that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

> to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

> therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

> time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

> these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

> child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

> showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

> his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

> sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

> train any child. Cyndi B

>

>

>

--

Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

[Guest guest]

Right now, this is a BIG discussion in GA - not big enough but more than one

person in more than one district is questioning what is going on. IT is

still LEGAL to beat a child with an object IN SCHOOL, leaving marks with no

consequences to the child beater. And some SD are even passing school board

directives not only OKAYING this practice, but forming methods for this

abuse. AND rthere are districts in which a child can be duct taped to a

Rifton chair in order to " help the child cooperate in learning " as one

district stated.

We have had a child DIE in an isolation room, unattended.

And that is one state. The problem seems to be much worse in the DEEP SOUTH

(and need I say RED STATES). Most of the eastern seaboard and western

seaboard states have outlawed the practice - and yes, I am sure subtle abuse

is still going on. But codified abuse can be stopped.

I know that Elie came home with teacher induced bruising on arms and

shoulders more than once from " grabbing " . And I know that the IU in Chester

County (Watch out Jean) had a padded isolation room in which Elie was

incarcerated until I found out about it. But wwe can affect change if we

are willing to speak up and out about this and not tolerate it.

> Hi Sara,

> This is changing slowly. I know that NY and Ct have recently made changes

> to the state regs, however, it happens everyday despite it being a

> violation. Many times the violations are more subtle in nature in states

> with regs. Many teachers will move a student into an isolated empty area

> that is not called a timeout room but serves as the same purpose, stating a

> sensory break. Teachers have been known to grab a wrist with more strength

> than necessary. It happens despite the regs. Parents need to be aware and

> never assume that all is well, many times it is not.

> Charlyne

>

>

> > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

>

> > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

>

> > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

>

> > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

>

> > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

>

> > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

>

> > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

>

> > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

>

> > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

>

> > this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

>

> > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

>

> > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

>

> > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

>

> > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

>

> > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

>

> > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

>

> > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

>

> > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

>

> > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

>

> > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

>

> > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

>

> > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

>

> > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

>

> > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

>

> > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

>

> > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

>

> > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

>

> > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

>

> > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

>

> > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

>

> > train any child. Cyndi B

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> --

>

> Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara, I am aware that corporal punishment is legal in many states but IDEA does

supersede state regs. There is no consequence to states that violate IDEA.

Students with disabilities are routinely abused. A class action suit was filed

in September in N. Carolina and I am certain many more that we never hear

about.TASH has done extensive investigations and testified before Congress. A

few years ago in my district HS a sped chair duct taped the arms of a  medically

fragile sped student to his wheelchair. He was accompanied to school daily by a

nurse. She had left the classroom for a brief time and returned to find him

bound to his wheelchair. It was reported in the newspaper but quickly hushed.

The sped chair was demoted to sped teacher, remained teaching for a year or two

afterwards. She was teaching in February 2007, a year or so after the incident

but one day never came to work. I was never able to learn anymore. I can only

surmise that the parents

filed a civil suit or the state dept revoked her license after negotiations

with a very strong teachers union. I knew this teacher very well and was shocked

that she would do something like this. She was a great help to my daughter in

her HS years but there is a big difference working with a student with an LD

verses a cognitive disability. Someday someone will slip and I will learn what

actually happened to her. A teacher actually tied Zeb up when he was in second

grade. My daughter was called to pick him up, I was at a dr's appt and become

hysterical when she walked into the school office to see him sweating profusely

and tied. I filed a complaint and called DCF. The teachers all lied to the state

investigator. We did not have camera phones back then. The teacher also happened

to be a friend of my dh and came to the house to apologize. He said he had to

lie to save his job, no kidding. Needless to day he has never come into my yard

since. He is now a

principal in one of the local elementary schools. I did advocate work at his

school for a few years. It was not pleasant for him to sit across from me in

those PPT meetings. Zeb was abused again in 3rd grade and the pediatrician

reported it. The teachers lied then too and again in 4th grade, remember Zeb was

arrested. I was able to get an independent ed consultant into the school to make

routine visits and supervise his program through the end of 7th grade. It has

been downhill since. I can't discuss what is presently happening. I would love

the lists support but too public. I have spent a fortune on attorney fees. Zeb

will be writing his book when he ages out of the system.

Charlyne

>

> > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

>

> > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

>

> > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

>

> > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

>

> > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

>

> > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

>

> > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

>

> > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

>

> > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

>

> > this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

>

> > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

>

> > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

>

> > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

>

> > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

>

> > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

>

> > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

>

> > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

>

> > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

>

> > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

>

> > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

>

> > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

>

> > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

>

> > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

>

> > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

>

> > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

>

> > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

>

> > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

>

> > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

>

> > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

>

> > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

>

> > train any child. Cyndi B

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> --

>

> Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sara, I agree with you. The problem is that they do not want to hire

Behavorial specialist or ABA therapist to work with any kind of

behavior problems and that is what the schools need to do. will

learn nothing if he throws something and you lock him in a room by

himself. But if when he throws the item you make him pick it up.

Then next time he throws the item he will automaticly pick it back up

you asking.Time out rooms are wrong, restraints are wrong. NO time

should a teacher grab a child ever. Children should not be

abused. started coming home with bruises from another child,

soaking wet pullups, and then started fighting me over going to

school. I had him pulled from that school and put with a teacher he

loves in another school. After 2 years in the new school got

bit by a vicious biter and then he started fighting me over going to

school once again.The attorney for our local DS group went with me.

The school board suggested placing in another classroom for his

safety. Why should have to be moved from a classroom he was

doing well in for another child that was new to the school and class?

The school board said they could not discuss placement of the child

that bit and then they asked " What do you think we should do

place him in a classroom with all biters? " I said that an idea or you

could hire someone to teach kids that bite not to bite. Plain and

simple. They need a place to put kids that are a danger to others but

with educated supervision and not leave them alone.Leaving children

alone that are mentally challenged or even typical children would not

be successful. Cyndi B

>

> Right now, this is a BIG discussion in GA - not big enough but more

than one

> person in more than one district is questioning what is going on.

IT is

> still LEGAL to beat a child with an object IN SCHOOL, leaving marks

with no

> consequences to the child beater. And some SD are even passing

school board

> directives not only OKAYING this practice, but forming methods for

this

> abuse. AND rthere are districts in which a child can be duct taped

to a

> Rifton chair in order to " help the child cooperate in learning " as

one

> district stated.

> We have had a child DIE in an isolation room, unattended.

>

> And that is one state. The problem seems to be much worse in the

DEEP SOUTH

> (and need I say RED STATES). Most of the eastern seaboard and

western

> seaboard states have outlawed the practice - and yes, I am sure

subtle abuse

> is still going on. But codified abuse can be stopped.

>

> I know that Elie came home with teacher induced bruising on arms and

> shoulders more than once from " grabbing " . And I know that the IU

in Chester

> County (Watch out Jean) had a padded isolation room in which Elie

was

> incarcerated until I found out about it. But wwe can affect change

if we

> are willing to speak up and out about this and not tolerate it.

>

>

> > Hi Sara,

> > This is changing slowly. I know that NY and Ct have recently made

changes

> > to the state regs, however, it happens everyday despite it being a

> > violation. Many times the violations are more subtle in nature in

states

> > with regs. Many teachers will move a student into an isolated

empty area

> > that is not called a timeout room but serves as the same purpose,

stating a

> > sensory break. Teachers have been known to grab a wrist with more

strength

> > than necessary. It happens despite the regs. Parents need to be

aware and

> > never assume that all is well, many times it is not.

> > Charlyne

> >

> >

> > > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move

out of a

> >

> > > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student

coming

> >

> > > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in

the

> >

> > > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known

to

> >

> > > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district

does not

> >

> > > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to

move to

> >

> > > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

> >

> > > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at

school. I

> >

> > > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire.

They put

> >

> > > this child into a classroom with children that were in

wheelchairs,

> >

> > > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a

meeting with

> >

> > > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my

child

> >

> > > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The

school

> >

> > > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other

child. I

> >

> > > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he

is a

> >

> > > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of

this

> >

> > > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a

restraints are

> >

> > > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can

be

> >

> > > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> >

> > > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with

children

> >

> > > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> >

> > > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know

how

> >

> > > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

> >

> > > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child

in a

> >

> > > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on

the way

> >

> > > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out

my

> >

> > > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him

and

> >

> > > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I

warned

> >

> > > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see

my son

> >

> > > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how

you

> >

> > > train any child. Cyndi B

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > --

> >

> > Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Cyndi,

That is an appalling report. I am very disgusted with your district..

now I need to know who they are. As I have stated I will not use any

parent's or child's names but these type of emails (such as yours)

MUST accompany the Presidential ACT that I will have in his office in

late Jan. when I'm in DC. But that's not quite enough. Your child

should not be moved so a Severely Emotionally Disturbed (SED) child

can be placed in an environment that sounds very inappropriate. RE:

The child biting him - did you make sure no transmittable diseases,

etc. went with that bite ? I would have thrown a tantrum like they

have NEVER seen. Sometimes we have to get a little (or in my case

ALOT) radical in these situations. What action have you taken ? Moving

him from that class without your approval on an IEP/ARD would

constitute a 'change of placement without parental approval or IEP

addendum " which is a sick bird AKA ILL Eagle. You could file an

Immediate Due Process based on that and throw them into 'Stay Put'

with a Honig backed Motion ( I could do that for you - I'm really

cheap.. I generally charge a box of twinkies per motion ! If it's a

tough case I might ask for some Suzy-Q's - they don't have them here

in Hawai'i ! ). Due Process seems like a big step.. but stay put

would keep your child in that classroom.. they could do nothing about

it and could not move the other child especially after the Honig

motion is accompanied with another motion regarding that. We have to

try to laugh when we can even in cases such as this. Nothing is funny

about it but I try to take the weight off our shoulders when I can.

Please email me offlist. Thank you very much for your input. I need

this kind of material to help our children as a community.. and with

no doubt your district needs a 'spanking' - I have the paddle !!

E. , Sr. The Office of Advocacy

>

> , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

> classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

> into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

> best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

> lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

> deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

> another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

> explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

> saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

> this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

> and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

> the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

> out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

> board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

> said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

> kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

> child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

> the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

> done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

> that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

> to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

> therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

> time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

> these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

> child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

> showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

> his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

> sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

> train any child. Cyndi B

>

[Guest guest]

Charlyne,

Unfortunately the teachers doing what you state are using Illegal Time

Out/Isolation and treating our children as they please. This went

without notice in the 60's..even in the 70's..maybe sometimes in the

80's.. but NOW ? NO WAY. It would be especially helpful to get

offlist email to me telling which districts are doing this. These

posts will work great to help get legislation passed but we need to

STOP this before more children are injured or possibly worse because

of it. There is no excuse for this lie.. because that is not a

sensory break...it's more like false imprisonment.

E. , Sr. The Office of Advocacy for Autistic Children

>

>

>

> > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out

of a

>

> > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

>

> > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

>

> > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

>

> > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

>

> > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

>

> > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

>

> > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

>

> > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

>

> > this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

>

> > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

>

> > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

>

> > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

>

> > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

>

> > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

>

> > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

>

> > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

>

> > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

>

> > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

>

> > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

>

> > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

>

> > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

>

> > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

>

> > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

>

> > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

>

> > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

>

> > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

>

> > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

>

> > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

>

> > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

>

> > train any child. Cyndi B

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

> --

>

> Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Actually.. there is a HUGE consequence to districts out of compliance

with IDEA.. especially in using corporal punishment. The Block Grants

can be withheld for the entire state. Unfortunately I have had to

initiate this more then once. Here in Hawai'i I was forced to push a

case so far that a local Civil Rights Attorney picked it up and this

state stayed in Contempt of Federal Court for over a year and actually

LOST an entire years worth of IDEA funding. This was with the 'Nahale'

case in regards to what ended in being the " Felix Consent Decree'.

Although the state is now out of contempt *that was back in 2002* they

have an oversight office right here to watch over and make sure the

'consent decree' is kept.

E. , Sr. The Office of Advocacy for Autistic Children

>

> >

>

> > > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out

of a

>

> >

>

> > > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

>

> >

>

> > > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

>

> >

>

> > > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

>

> >

>

> > > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district

does not

>

> >

>

> > > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

>

> >

>

> > > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

>

> >

>

> > > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

>

> >

>

> > > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire.

They put

>

> >

>

> > > this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

>

> >

>

> > > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting

with

>

> >

>

> > > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

>

> >

>

> > > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

>

> >

>

> > > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

>

> >

>

> > > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

>

> >

>

> > > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

>

> >

>

> > > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

>

> >

>

> > > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

>

> >

>

> > > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

>

> >

>

> > > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

>

> >

>

> > > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

>

> >

>

> > > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

>

> >

>

> > > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

>

> >

>

> > > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

>

> >

>

> > > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on

the way

>

> >

>

> > > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

>

> >

>

> > > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

>

> >

>

> > > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

>

> >

>

> > > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see

my son

>

> >

>

> > > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

>

> >

>

> > > train any child. Cyndi B

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> >

>

> > Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Children as a whole are abused in school. But our kids with cognitive

impairments and those with CP (or other disorders which may make involuntary

movements) are the most likely to be abused. IDEA isn't

worth the trees that were wasted printing it if people do not go to court

and FORCE compliance with even minor parts of IDEA. To get people to learn

what is happening to their children in school is hard enough, but then to

have the money and strength to proceed further is too much.

What we need are federal laws OUTLAWING physical discipline, physical

restraints, and " isolation rooms " . And that takes political action. In GA

we are trying to get a state law past. So are parents in FL. Maybe NC will

join us. IT is a start - but only a start.

My son was physically abused in third grade. I would never have known if a

para had not secretly and anonymously told me. Then a parent who happened

to be volunteering called me. With the parent's help we had the teacher

ARRESTED> she ended up in a mental hospital which last I heard she was

still - 15 years later- still being treated. But the school was never

sanctioned for not reporting - as mandated reporters.

Believe me, it was difficult to get her arrested. I had to go to the police

station and swear out a civilian complaint of assault. She never went to

jail or prison - straight to the hospital.

> Sara, I am aware that corporal punishment is legal in many states but

> IDEA does supersede state regs. There is no consequence to states that

> violate IDEA. Students with disabilities are routinely abused. A class

> action suit was filed in September in N. Carolina and I am certain many more

> that we never hear about.TASH has done extensive investigations and

> testified before Congress. A few years ago in my district HS a sped chair

> duct taped the arms of a medically fragile sped student to his wheelchair.

> He was accompanied to school daily by a nurse. She had left the classroom

> for a brief time and returned to find him bound to his wheelchair. It was

> reported in the newspaper but quickly hushed. The sped chair was demoted to

> sped teacher, remained teaching for a year or two afterwards. She was

> teaching in February 2007, a year or so after the incident but one day never

> came to work. I was never able to learn anymore. I can only surmise that the

> parents

> filed a civil suit or the state dept revoked her license after negotiations

> with a very strong teachers union. I knew this teacher very well and was

> shocked that she would do something like this. She was a great help to my

> daughter in her HS years but there is a big difference working with a

> student with an LD verses a cognitive disability. Someday someone will slip

> and I will learn what actually happened to her. A teacher actually tied Zeb

> up when he was in second grade. My daughter was called to pick him up, I was

> at a dr's appt and become hysterical when she walked into the school office

> to see him sweating profusely and tied. I filed a complaint and called DCF.

> The teachers all lied to the state investigator. We did not have camera

> phones back then. The teacher also happened to be a friend of my dh and came

> to the house to apologize. He said he had to lie to save his job, no

> kidding. Needless to day he has never come into my yard since. He is now a

> principal in one of the local elementary schools. I did advocate work at

> his school for a few years. It was not pleasant for him to sit across from

> me in those PPT meetings. Zeb was abused again in 3rd grade and the

> pediatrician reported it. The teachers lied then too and again in 4th grade,

> remember Zeb was arrested. I was able to get an independent ed consultant

> into the school to make routine visits and supervise his program through the

> end of 7th grade. It has been downhill since. I can't discuss what is

> presently happening. I would love the lists support but too public. I have

> spent a fortune on attorney fees. Zeb will be writing his book when he ages

> out of the system.

> Charlyne

>

>

>

> >

>

> > > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move out of a

>

> >

>

> > > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student coming

>

> >

>

> > > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in the

>

> >

>

> > > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is known to

>

> >

>

> > > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district does not

>

> >

>

> > > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to move to

>

> >

>

> > > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let me

>

> >

>

> > > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at school. I

>

> >

>

> > > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire. They put

>

> >

>

> > > this child into a classroom with children that were in wheelchairs,

>

> >

>

> > > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a meeting with

>

> >

>

> > > the school and the school board because they wanted to move my child

>

> >

>

> > > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The school

>

> >

>

> > > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other child. I

>

> >

>

> > > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if he is a

>

> >

>

> > > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because of this

>

> >

>

> > > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a restraints are

>

> >

>

> > > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what can be

>

> >

>

> > > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

>

> >

>

> > > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with children

>

> >

>

> > > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

>

> >

>

> > > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not know how

>

> >

>

> > > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

>

> >

>

> > > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the child in a

>

> >

>

> > > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on the way

>

> >

>

> > > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found out my

>

> >

>

> > > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with him and

>

> >

>

> > > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I warned

>

> >

>

> > > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and see my son

>

> >

>

> > > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not how you

>

> >

>

> > > train any child. Cyndi B

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > --

>

> >

>

> > Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Charylene & Sara, We are in a class action lawsuit against 's

school for letting abuse go on also. I am so sorry to hear how

horrible someone was to your kids. At 's school it is students

harming other students and the teachers are not able to stop it. One

of the teenage girls with Down syndrome had her hand slammed in a

door that does not have stoppers. She had to have surgery on her hand

and lost fingernails. The school was built so long ago and not

updated for safety provisions. has been attacked while minding

his own business on a couple different occasions. They let fall

of a slide, his toe was caught in a door, and then last year his food

had a blister on it that they said was because of his shoe.Funny

thing on the wheelchair one of the foot supports was roughed up like

it had run into something.Guess what it would have been on the same

side that his foot had the burn.His school is to careless. Cyndi B

>

> Children as a whole are abused in school. But our kids with

cognitive

> impairments and those with CP (or other disorders which may make

involuntary

> movements) are the most likely to be abused. IDEA isn't

> worth the trees that were wasted printing it if people do not go

to court

> and FORCE compliance with even minor parts of IDEA. To get people

to learn

> what is happening to their children in school is hard enough, but

then to

> have the money and strength to proceed further is too much.

>

> What we need are federal laws OUTLAWING physical discipline,

physical

> restraints, and " isolation rooms " . And that takes political

action. In GA

> we are trying to get a state law past. So are parents in FL.

Maybe NC will

> join us. IT is a start - but only a start.

>

> My son was physically abused in third grade. I would never have

known if a

> para had not secretly and anonymously told me. Then a parent who

happened

> to be volunteering called me. With the parent's help we had the

teacher

> ARRESTED> she ended up in a mental hospital which last I heard she

was

> still - 15 years later- still being treated. But the school was

never

> sanctioned for not reporting - as mandated reporters.

>

> Believe me, it was difficult to get her arrested. I had to go to

the police

> station and swear out a civilian complaint of assault. She never

went to

> jail or prison - straight to the hospital.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > Sara, I am aware that corporal punishment is legal in many

states but

> > IDEA does supersede state regs. There is no consequence to states

that

> > violate IDEA. Students with disabilities are routinely abused. A

class

> > action suit was filed in September in N. Carolina and I am

certain many more

> > that we never hear about.TASH has done extensive investigations

and

> > testified before Congress. A few years ago in my district HS a

sped chair

> > duct taped the arms of a medically fragile sped student to his

wheelchair.

> > He was accompanied to school daily by a nurse. She had left the

classroom

> > for a brief time and returned to find him bound to his

wheelchair. It was

> > reported in the newspaper but quickly hushed. The sped chair was

demoted to

> > sped teacher, remained teaching for a year or two afterwards. She

was

> > teaching in February 2007, a year or so after the incident but

one day never

> > came to work. I was never able to learn anymore. I can only

surmise that the

> > parents

> > filed a civil suit or the state dept revoked her license after

negotiations

> > with a very strong teachers union. I knew this teacher very well

and was

> > shocked that she would do something like this. She was a great

help to my

> > daughter in her HS years but there is a big difference working

with a

> > student with an LD verses a cognitive disability. Someday someone

will slip

> > and I will learn what actually happened to her. A teacher

actually tied Zeb

> > up when he was in second grade. My daughter was called to pick

him up, I was

> > at a dr's appt and become hysterical when she walked into the

school office

> > to see him sweating profusely and tied. I filed a complaint and

called DCF.

> > The teachers all lied to the state investigator. We did not have

camera

> > phones back then. The teacher also happened to be a friend of my

dh and came

> > to the house to apologize. He said he had to lie to save his job,

no

> > kidding. Needless to day he has never come into my yard since. He

is now a

> > principal in one of the local elementary schools. I did advocate

work at

> > his school for a few years. It was not pleasant for him to sit

across from

> > me in those PPT meetings. Zeb was abused again in 3rd grade and

the

> > pediatrician reported it. The teachers lied then too and again in

4th grade,

> > remember Zeb was arrested. I was able to get an independent ed

consultant

> > into the school to make routine visits and supervise his program

through the

> > end of 7th grade. It has been downhill since. I can't discuss

what is

> > presently happening. I would love the lists support but too

public. I have

> > spent a fortune on attorney fees. Zeb will be writing his book

when he ages

> > out of the system.

> > Charlyne

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move

out of a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student

coming

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in

the

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is

known to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district

does not

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to

move to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let

me

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at

school. I

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire.

They put

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > this child into a classroom with children that were in

wheelchairs,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a

meeting with

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > the school and the school board because they wanted to move

my child

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The

school

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other

child. I

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if

he is a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because

of this

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a

restraints are

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what

can be

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with

children

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not

know how

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the

child in a

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on

the way

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found

out my

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with

him and

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I

warned

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and

see my son

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not

how you

> >

> > >

> >

> > > > train any child. Cyndi B

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > >

> >

> > >

> >

> > > --

> >

> > >

> >

> > > Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

> >

> > >

> >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I certainly understand that there are kids who bully other kids. No child

EVER hurt, attempted to hurt, or caused Elie any discomfort EVER. But

teachers are another story: the one now hospitalized knocked Elie down for

not walking faster - she would show him! Then she had him crawl down the

hall as punishment, had him walking what she called bear walk - backwards

with some kind of leash dragging him. Another time a 250 lb male para kept

pinching and poking Elie . Elie finally turned and straight punched him in

the gut - and the opara landed on his butt. But we didn't learn about

Elie's side of that particular action until 2 years later when a phys.

disabled student met us in the community and told us about Elie's great

punch to the " preacher guy " .

And JEAN - heads up-- The Chester County IU covers up things. be very

watchful.

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 11:33 AM, wrote:

> Charylene & Sara, We are in a class action lawsuit against 's

> school for letting abuse go on also. I am so sorry to hear how

> horrible someone was to your kids. At 's school it is students

> harming other students and the teachers are not able to stop it. One

> of the teenage girls with Down syndrome had her hand slammed in a

> door that does not have stoppers. She had to have surgery on her hand

> and lost fingernails. The school was built so long ago and not

> updated for safety provisions. has been attacked while minding

> his own business on a couple different occasions. They let fall

> of a slide, his toe was caught in a door, and then last year his food

> had a blister on it that they said was because of his shoe.Funny

> thing on the wheelchair one of the foot supports was roughed up like

> it had run into something.Guess what it would have been on the same

> side that his foot had the burn.His school is to careless. Cyndi B

>

> >

> > Children as a whole are abused in school. But our kids with

> cognitive

> > impairments and those with CP (or other disorders which may make

> involuntary

> > movements) are the most likely to be abused. IDEA isn't

> > worth the trees that were wasted printing it if people do not go

> to court

> > and FORCE compliance with even minor parts of IDEA. To get people

> to learn

> > what is happening to their children in school is hard enough, but

> then to

> > have the money and strength to proceed further is too much.

> >

> > What we need are federal laws OUTLAWING physical discipline,

> physical

> > restraints, and " isolation rooms " . And that takes political

> action. In GA

> > we are trying to get a state law past. So are parents in FL.

> Maybe NC will

> > join us. IT is a start - but only a start.

> >

> > My son was physically abused in third grade. I would never have

> known if a

> > para had not secretly and anonymously told me. Then a parent who

> happened

> > to be volunteering called me. With the parent's help we had the

> teacher

> > ARRESTED> she ended up in a mental hospital which last I heard she

> was

> > still - 15 years later- still being treated. But the school was

> never

> > sanctioned for not reporting - as mandated reporters.

> >

> > Believe me, it was difficult to get her arrested. I had to go to

> the police

> > station and swear out a civilian complaint of assault. She never

> went to

> > jail or prison - straight to the hospital.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Sara, I am aware that corporal punishment is legal in many

> states but

> > > IDEA does supersede state regs. There is no consequence to states

> that

> > > violate IDEA. Students with disabilities are routinely abused. A

> class

> > > action suit was filed in September in N. Carolina and I am

> certain many more

> > > that we never hear about.TASH has done extensive investigations

> and

> > > testified before Congress. A few years ago in my district HS a

> sped chair

> > > duct taped the arms of a medically fragile sped student to his

> wheelchair.

> > > He was accompanied to school daily by a nurse. She had left the

> classroom

> > > for a brief time and returned to find him bound to his

> wheelchair. It was

> > > reported in the newspaper but quickly hushed. The sped chair was

> demoted to

> > > sped teacher, remained teaching for a year or two afterwards. She

> was

> > > teaching in February 2007, a year or so after the incident but

> one day never

> > > came to work. I was never able to learn anymore. I can only

> surmise that the

> > > parents

> > > filed a civil suit or the state dept revoked her license after

> negotiations

> > > with a very strong teachers union. I knew this teacher very well

> and was

> > > shocked that she would do something like this. She was a great

> help to my

> > > daughter in her HS years but there is a big difference working

> with a

> > > student with an LD verses a cognitive disability. Someday someone

> will slip

> > > and I will learn what actually happened to her. A teacher

> actually tied Zeb

> > > up when he was in second grade. My daughter was called to pick

> him up, I was

> > > at a dr's appt and become hysterical when she walked into the

> school office

> > > to see him sweating profusely and tied. I filed a complaint and

> called DCF.

> > > The teachers all lied to the state investigator. We did not have

> camera

> > > phones back then. The teacher also happened to be a friend of my

> dh and came

> > > to the house to apologize. He said he had to lie to save his job,

> no

> > > kidding. Needless to day he has never come into my yard since. He

> is now a

> > > principal in one of the local elementary schools. I did advocate

> work at

> > > his school for a few years. It was not pleasant for him to sit

> across from

> > > me in those PPT meetings. Zeb was abused again in 3rd grade and

> the

> > > pediatrician reported it. The teachers lied then too and again in

> 4th grade,

> > > remember Zeb was arrested. I was able to get an independent ed

> consultant

> > > into the school to make routine visits and supervise his program

> through the

> > > end of 7th grade. It has been downhill since. I can't discuss

> what is

> > > presently happening. I would love the lists support but too

> public. I have

> > > spent a fortune on attorney fees. Zeb will be writing his book

> when he ages

> > > out of the system.

> > > Charlyne

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > , Recently I was told my son is going to have to move

> out of a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > classroom with a teacher he loves because of a new student

> coming

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > into this class. Why? because this student is being placed in

> the

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > best possible classroom for him and he is a child that is

> known to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > lash out at others. It is not fair that this school district

> does not

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > deal with behavior problems and that my child would have to

> move to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > another class just because my son could be a target. Now let

> me

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > explain more. Last year my son was bit by another child at

> school. I

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > saw this child in action and he was like watching a vampire.

> They put

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > this child into a classroom with children that were in

> wheelchairs,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > and that did not know how to protect themselves. I had a

> meeting with

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the school and the school board because they wanted to move

> my child

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > out of a classroom that he was requested to be in by me. The

> school

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > board asked me what I thought they should do with the other

> child. I

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > said he needs behavior management and should be isolated if

> he is a

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > kids that bites. Now my child has a strep infection because

> of this

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > child biting my son. I know that time out rooms and a

> restraints are

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > the topic here but we also have to address affectively what

> can be

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > done for children with problems behaviors they have a right to

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > education to. However they should not be put in rooms with

> children

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > that do not know how to defend themselves.Example kids in

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > > wheelchairs, blind, or mentally challenge kids that do not

> know how

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> > > > > to defend themselves. If a child is to succeed he needs a ABA

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> > > > > therapist to work on the problems and not just throw the

> child in a

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> > > > > time out room. That will accomplish nothing. I am with you on

> the way

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> > > > > these timeout rooms or restraints are used. If I ever found

> out my

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> > > > > child was restrained without a therapist setting there with

> him and

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> > > > > showing him how to act, you would see me on national news. I

> warned

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> > > > > his schools along time ago that I better never come in and

> see my son

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> > > > > sitting in a restrictive chair/with restraints. That is not

> how you

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> > > > > train any child. Cyndi B

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> > > > Sara - Life is a journey- we choose the path.

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