Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 I have dropfoot on both legs and an inability to raise my toes more than 1 " . The VA told me it was probably caused by my adult onset diabetes. Mine is borderline so they are not treating it but I've had it a long time. I have done exercises for years - calf raises, toe pull ups, and jumping on the trampoline and mine haven't deteriorated for at least 5 years. I used to drag my toes and fall occasionally but not for years now. I do find that stationary jogging and trampoline work, as well as leg presses make my ankles rigid and keeps them from flopping around and causing falls. I do have 5 cats and they are always in the way but I've never stepped on them. This is an interesting forum - I'd never heard of Charcot-Marie-Tooth Disease Before Maybe all neurology problems have a common cause. I do take vitamin C on a regular basis but rarely a mega dose. I have a friend with muscular dystopy and he has a wife and son-in-law with MS and they have similar symptoms. Thanks Hansen CMT 1A: Results of Vitamin C trial in the UK First clinical trial of Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease http://www.muscular-dystrophy.org/research/grants/completed_grants/2713_first_cl\ inical_trial_for_charcot-marie-tooth_disease Project Leader: Dr Reilly Location: MRC Centre for Neuromuscular Diseases, Department of Molecular Neuroscience, UCL Institute of Neurology Condition: Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease 1A Duration: 3 years, completed August 2009 Total Project Cost: £201,601 Official Title: Randomised double blind placebo controlled trial of long-term ascorbic acid treatment in Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A. Dr Reilly and colleagues organised this first clinical trial for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A (CMT1A) to determine if vitamin C could slow the progression of the condition. Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. The trial did however gather important information on the progression of CMT1A and gained experience in conducting clinical trials for this condition that will be valuable for future CMT1A clinical trials. What were the researchers aiming to do? In 2004, researchers discovered that when they gave vitamin C to a mouse model of CMT1A, there was an improvement in the symptoms the mice were displaying. These mice also performed better in a series of muscle function tests than untreated mice. Since vitamin C is already freely available there was concern that some people with CMT1A were taking high doses of vitamin C, having read about this study, without there being clear evidence of a similar effect in humans. It was, therefore, decided that a trial should be set up to test if vitamin C did indeed have a similar effect in humans and whether it was safe for this group of individuals to be taking high dose vitamin C. Dr Reilly and her colleagues in Italy set up this trial to test the safety and efficacy of vitamin C in CMT1A. The trial was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. This means that participants were randomly assigned to receive either vitamin C or a placebo (an inactive substance that looks and tastes just like vitamin C) and neither the doctors nor the participants knew who was getting what. As this was the first trial for CMT it was very important to think carefully about what to measure in order to correctly establish if there was a difference between the people treated with Vitamin C and those who got the placebo - these are called outcome measures. Prior to the trial starting, a European Neuromuscular Centre funded workshop was organised to determine the best outcome measures. The workshop was attended by an international group of clinicians and importantly also included two patient representatives. Following the workshop it was decided to run the trial in the UK and Italy with the aim of recruiting 272 participants. The participants, aged between 18 and 70 years of age, would get three doses of either Vitamin C (1.5 g in total per day) or the placebo every day for 2 years. They were followed up every 6 months and measurements such as muscle strength, changes in feeling, walking speed and levels of pain and fatigue assessed. 50 participants were to be recruited in the UK arm of the study, run by Dr Reilly. What did their research show? Of the original 50 participants, 38 completed the trial. The 12 who did not complete the trial dropped out for a variety of reasons including adverse events, pregnancy, admissions for surgery, withdrawal of consent and failure to attend follow-up appointments. Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. Although this is a negative result, it was still important to carry out the trial to prove one way or the other whether vitamin C would have an effect. Researchers will be able to use this information and move onto exploring other avenues for possible therapy. One important result of this trial has been the validation of the outcome measures for CMT. The fact that this has been a long term trial (2 years) has also allowed Dr Reilly and her colleagues to gather detailed information about how this condition progresses and changes over time. This valuable information will help with the planning of future clinical trials for CMT. How will the outcomes of the research benefit patients? This trial has shown that vitamin C does not improve the symptoms or slow the progression of CMT1A. As many people were taking high doses of vitamin C having heard about the animal study, it was important to determine if this might indeed prove to be an effective treatment or whether people were unnecessarily taking this substance. The work done in this trial also will help to inform and improve future trials for CMT. Background Information CMT is the most prevalent inherited neuromuscular condition affecting around 23,000 people in the UK. CMT1A is the commonest form of CMT and is caused by the presence of an extra copy of a gene that carries the instructions for a protein called peripheral myelin protein 22 (PMP-22). PMP-22 has an important role in the formation and maintenance of myelin. Myelin is the layer wrapped around the axon of nerve cells and it is important for the conduction of electrical signals down the nerve. It is thought that having an extra copy of the PMP-22 gene may impair the function of the myelin and thus affecting how well the nerves are able to conduct the electrical signals. < Return to completed grants Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2010 Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 How frustrating! First, 1.5g of Vitamin C per day is below any efficacy level. Period. Second, not all Vitamin C is created the same, i.e., it's not identical. A rose is not always a rose. What kind of Vitamin C were they using? Third, there is no indication whether the Vitamin C was timed released, or not. It's worthless if it's all flushed out of your body within minutes, regardless the dosage. Fourth, what were those little critter mice being fed as a diet? Yes, it matters what the humans were eating/drinking. Fifth, who designs these studies?! Sixth, what a waste of 2 years!! > > First clinical trial of Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease > > http://www.muscular-dystrophy.org/research/grants/completed_grants/2713_first_cl\ inical_trial_for_charcot-marie-tooth_disease > > > Project Leader: Dr Reilly > Location: MRC Centre for Neuromuscular Diseases, Department of Molecular Neuroscience, UCL Institute of Neurology > Condition: Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease 1A > Duration: 3 years, completed August 2009 > Total Project Cost: £201,601 > Official Title: Randomised double blind placebo controlled trial of long-term ascorbic acid treatment in Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A. > > > Dr Reilly and colleagues organised this first clinical trial for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A (CMT1A) to determine if vitamin C could slow the progression of the condition. Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. The trial did however gather important information on the progression of CMT1A and gained experience in conducting clinical trials for this condition that will be valuable for future CMT1A clinical trials. > > > What were the researchers aiming to do? > In 2004, researchers discovered that when they gave vitamin C to a mouse model of CMT1A, there was an improvement in the symptoms the mice were displaying. These mice also performed better in a series of muscle function tests than untreated mice. Since vitamin C is already freely available there was concern that some people with CMT1A were taking high doses of vitamin C, having read about this study, without there being clear evidence of a similar effect in humans. It was, therefore, decided that a trial should be set up to test if vitamin C did indeed have a similar effect in humans and whether it was safe for this group of individuals to be taking high dose vitamin C. > > Dr Reilly and her colleagues in Italy set up this trial to test the safety and efficacy of vitamin C in CMT1A. The trial was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. This means that participants were randomly assigned to receive either vitamin C or a placebo (an inactive substance that looks and tastes just like vitamin C) and neither the doctors nor the participants knew who was getting what. As this was the first trial for CMT it was very important to think carefully about what to measure in order to correctly establish if there was a difference between the people treated with Vitamin C and those who got the placebo - these are called outcome measures. Prior to the trial starting, a European Neuromuscular Centre funded workshop was organised to determine the best outcome measures. The workshop was attended by an international group of clinicians and importantly also included two patient representatives. > > Following the workshop it was decided to run the trial in the UK and Italy with the aim of recruiting 272 participants. The participants, aged between 18 and 70 years of age, would get three doses of either Vitamin C (1.5 g in total per day) or the placebo every day for 2 years. They were followed up every 6 months and measurements such as muscle strength, changes in feeling, walking speed and levels of pain and fatigue assessed. 50 participants were to be recruited in the UK arm of the study, run by Dr Reilly. > > What did their research show? > Of the original 50 participants, 38 completed the trial. The 12 who did not complete the trial dropped out for a variety of reasons including adverse events, pregnancy, admissions for surgery, withdrawal of consent and failure to attend follow-up appointments. > > > Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. Although this is a negative result, it was still important to carry out the trial to prove one way or the other whether vitamin C would have an effect. Researchers will be able to use this information and move onto exploring other avenues for possible therapy. > > > One important result of this trial has been the validation of the outcome measures for CMT. The fact that this has been a long term trial (2 years) has also allowed Dr Reilly and her colleagues to gather detailed information about how this condition progresses and changes over time. This valuable information will help with the planning of future clinical trials for CMT. > > How will the outcomes of the research benefit patients? > This trial has shown that vitamin C does not improve the symptoms or slow the progression of CMT1A. As many people were taking high doses of vitamin C having heard about the animal study, it was important to determine if this might indeed prove to be an effective treatment or whether people were unnecessarily taking this substance. > > The work done in this trial also will help to inform and improve future trials for CMT. > > Background Information > CMT is the most prevalent inherited neuromuscular condition affecting around 23,000 people in the UK. CMT1A is the commonest form of CMT and is caused by the presence of an extra copy of a gene that carries the instructions for a protein called peripheral myelin protein 22 (PMP-22). PMP-22 has an important role in the formation and maintenance of myelin. Myelin is the layer wrapped around the axon of nerve cells and it is important for the conduction of electrical signals down the nerve. It is thought that having an extra copy of the PMP-22 gene may impair the function of the myelin and thus affecting how well the nerves are able to conduct the electrical signals. > > > < Return to completed grants > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 I am sorry you feel so frustrated by this finding. As a patient in the National Hospital for Neurology I can tell you that the study and its findings were not taken lightly - it was designed with utmost care, the people (researchers and clinical doctors alike) working on the study did their absolute best for the trial. This was 100% NOT a waste of 2 years. Not in the slightest. These trials are hard to do, and the findings are all important. As a participant in other CMT research projects at the National I think that rather than dismissing the findings if we don't like them, it is more important to ask and understand what the consequence is and what the next steps will be... A lot is not understood about the way that the human body processes asorbic acid (Vitamin C) so although there is not a clinically significant finding for CMT, this study has helped further understanding of C in humans. Anytime you want more info on what is going on in the UK let me know - the support we can get is good, I am often able to request latest research findings etc. Best wishes from London, Donna > > How frustrating! > > First, 1.5g of Vitamin C per day is below any efficacy level. Period. > > Second, not all Vitamin C is created the same, i.e., it's not identical. A rose is not always a rose. What kind of Vitamin C were they using? > > Third, there is no indication whether the Vitamin C was timed released, or not. It's worthless if it's all flushed out of your body within minutes, regardless the dosage. > > Fourth, what were those little critter mice being fed as a diet? Yes, it matters what the humans were eating/drinking. > > Fifth, who designs these studies?! > > Sixth, what a waste of 2 years!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Donna, I am not disappointed in the findings; I'm not surprised by them, either. Knowledge is knowledge is knowledge. Also, don't lose your objectivity just because you are/were a participant; I know that's easier said than done, at times. I AM disappointed in the way this study - and many studies - was designed/constructed. It's frustrating - for me - because the design of a good study is NOT complicated. And if you are going to go to all the effort, and TIME, to conduct a study, then it should be as tight as possible from the beginning. Anything can be studiedresearched; make your studies/research worthwhile - to others. I have not read the original study, only what's been presented here, so perhaps there were logical reasons for only using 1.5g AA, justification for the type of AA used, why they did not (I assume) use time-released AA, dietary control, etc., etc., etc. Maybe. As for me, this study did not further my understanding at all. Realize this, between my diet, and supplements, I consume +/- 1.5g AA on a daily basis - with no change in my CMT. This study basically determined that merely observing a bottle of pain medication does not reduce pain (no comments from all of you regarding the mind-body connection, please). The 'consequence' of this study is that it will have to - if ever - be redesigned, studied and analyzed, which could reasonably take us out another 4+ YEARS!! Some of us do not live comfortable lives with our CMT, and wish researchers would think a bit more out-of-the-box, carefully and quickly. > > > > How frustrating! > > > > First, 1.5g of Vitamin C per day is below any efficacy level. Period. > > > > Second, not all Vitamin C is created the same, i.e., it's not identical. A rose is not always a rose. What kind of Vitamin C were they using? > > > > Third, there is no indication whether the Vitamin C was timed released, or not. It's worthless if it's all flushed out of your body within minutes, regardless the dosage. > > > > Fourth, what were those little critter mice being fed as a diet? Yes, it matters what the humans were eating/drinking. > > > > Fifth, who designs these studies?! > > > > Sixth, what a waste of 2 years!! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 For information, I was not a participant in this study. Isn't it amazing how we judged each other based on the words in our posts? This is a reminder to me that not everyone knows " where I am coming from " ... Personally, and this is my opinion, I think this was a well designed study. We have to acknowledge that as far as study design goes, when you start from a base of an RDA of 60 milligrams, trialling 1500mg is a big jump! On this board we discuss taking very high doses like it is nothing - 10000mg are what some people take. My nutritionist and doctors recognise that these are doses that are taken, and tolerated, by some people. But there is much debate as to what " a large dosage " of Vitamin C is. So the fact that they have now, in essence, pushed the envelope so that 1500mg can be seen as " normal " is good news in my opinion. I have participated in other studies at the National - namely the exercise based one on hip flexor strength. They follow very strict protocol. So I am sure this study was not different in that regard, but I am not sure of the details. I will ask my doctors for the exact text of the study and post it to here. Will let everyone know when I do. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 Hi, Donna - We take up to 4000 mg vitamin c whenever we get a cold and that + echinea knocks it out fast. Almost never do we have colds or anything else. Normally we take 2,000 a day. That 60 mg a day is what a government that doesn't care if we are sick recommends. We've never had a problem with vitamin c: and it also helps blood pressure and asthma. Hansen Re: CMT 1A: Results of Vitamin C trial in the UK For information, I was not a participant in this study. Isn't it amazing how we judged each other based on the words in our posts? This is a reminder to me that not everyone knows " where I am coming from " ... Personally, and this is my opinion, I think this was a well designed study. We have to acknowledge that as far as study design goes, when you start from a base of an RDA of 60 milligrams, trialling 1500mg is a big jump! On this board we discuss taking very high doses like it is nothing - 10000mg are what some people take. My nutritionist and doctors recognise that these are doses that are taken, and tolerated, by some people. But there is much debate as to what " a large dosage " of Vitamin C is. So the fact that they have now, in essence, pushed the envelope so that 1500mg can be seen as " normal " is good news in my opinion. I have participated in other studies at the National - namely the exercise based one on hip flexor strength. They follow very strict protocol. So I am sure this study was not different in that regard, but I am not sure of the details. I will ask my doctors for the exact text of the study and post it to here. Will let everyone know when I do. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2010 Report Share Posted October 11, 2010 This study is part of a group of studies and all of the data is not currently available because some trials are still ongoing or just completing duration. (Italy, USA, etc) The UK recruited only 50 patients with CMT, out of the 50, only 38 completed the trial. An international team of investigators and the European Neuromuscular Center designed the research and established the best measures. These trials are using Ascorbic Acid. Remember mice can synthesize Ascorbic Acid, humans cannot, so in all these trials, dosage and length of trials is important. This one was only 2 years. The jury is still out until all trials are completed. By about next March-May we should be hearing about the longer (3 years)USA Ascorbic Acid trials. Keep the faith! Don't give up! > > > > > > > > > > > First clinical trial of Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease > > > > http://www.muscular-dystrophy.org/research/grants/completed_grants/2713_first_cl\ inical_trial_for_charcot-marie-tooth_disease > > > > > > Project Leader: Dr Reilly > > Location: MRC Centre for Neuromuscular Diseases, Department of Molecular Neuroscience, UCL Institute of Neurology > > Condition: Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease 1A > > Duration: 3 years, completed August 2009 > > Total Project Cost: £201,601 > > Official Title: Randomised double blind placebo controlled trial of long-term ascorbic acid treatment in Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A. > > > > > > Dr Reilly and colleagues organised this first clinical trial for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A (CMT1A) to determine if vitamin C could slow the progression of the condition. Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. The trial did however gather important information on the progression of CMT1A and gained experience in conducting clinical trials for this condition that will be valuable for future CMT1A clinical trials. > > > > > > What were the researchers aiming to do? > > In 2004, researchers discovered that when they gave vitamin C to a mouse model of CMT1A, there was an improvement in the symptoms the mice were displaying. These mice also performed better in a series of muscle function tests than untreated mice. Since vitamin C is already freely available there was concern that some people with CMT1A were taking high doses of vitamin C, having read about this study, without there being clear evidence of a similar effect in humans. It was, therefore, decided that a trial should be set up to test if vitamin C did indeed have a similar effect in humans and whether it was safe for this group of individuals to be taking high dose vitamin C. > > > > Dr Reilly and her colleagues in Italy set up this trial to test the safety and efficacy of vitamin C in CMT1A. The trial was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. This means that participants were randomly assigned to receive either vitamin C or a placebo (an inactive substance that looks and tastes just like vitamin C) and neither the doctors nor the participants knew who was getting what. As this was the first trial for CMT it was very important to think carefully about what to measure in order to correctly establish if there was a difference between the people treated with Vitamin C and those who got the placebo - these are called outcome measures. Prior to the trial starting, a European Neuromuscular Centre funded workshop was organised to determine the best outcome measures. The workshop was attended by an international group of clinicians and importantly also included two patient representatives. > > > > Following the workshop it was decided to run the trial in the UK and Italy with the aim of recruiting 272 participants. The participants, aged between 18 and 70 years of age, would get three doses of either Vitamin C (1.5 g in total per day) or the placebo every day for 2 years. They were followed up every 6 months and measurements such as muscle strength, changes in feeling, walking speed and levels of pain and fatigue assessed. 50 participants were to be recruited in the UK arm of the study, run by Dr Reilly. > > > > What did their research show? > > Of the original 50 participants, 38 completed the trial. The 12 who did not complete the trial dropped out for a variety of reasons including adverse events, pregnancy, admissions for surgery, withdrawal of consent and failure to attend follow-up appointments. > > > > > > Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. Although this is a negative result, it was still important to carry out the trial to prove one way or the other whether vitamin C would have an effect. Researchers will be able to use this information and move onto exploring other avenues for possible therapy. > > > > > > One important result of this trial has been the validation of the outcome measures for CMT. The fact that this has been a long term trial (2 years) has also allowed Dr Reilly and her colleagues to gather detailed information about how this condition progresses and changes over time. This valuable information will help with the planning of future clinical trials for CMT. > > > > How will the outcomes of the research benefit patients? > > This trial has shown that vitamin C does not improve the symptoms or slow the progression of CMT1A. As many people were taking high doses of vitamin C having heard about the animal study, it was important to determine if this might indeed prove to be an effective treatment or whether people were unnecessarily taking this substance. > > > > The work done in this trial also will help to inform and improve future trials for CMT. > > > > Background Information > > CMT is the most prevalent inherited neuromuscular condition affecting around 23,000 people in the UK. CMT1A is the commonest form of CMT and is caused by the presence of an extra copy of a gene that carries the instructions for a protein called peripheral myelin protein 22 (PMP-22). PMP-22 has an important role in the formation and maintenance of myelin. Myelin is the layer wrapped around the axon of nerve cells and it is important for the conduction of electrical signals down the nerve. It is thought that having an extra copy of the PMP-22 gene may impair the function of the myelin and thus affecting how well the nerves are able to conduct the electrical signals. > > > > > > < Return to completed grants > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 Hi , The primary side effect of taking high dosage vitamin c is stomach irritation and diarrhea. This can be managed through slowly increasing doses to a high level, and ensuring adequate hydration. At least that is my experience and the recommendation of my nutritionist. Personally I had to discontinue vitamin c supplements (and all supplements which could have an impact on CMT) when I participated in the hip flexor strength study at the Institute of Neurology here in the UK. I have managed my health since then by focusing on nutrition, diet, healthy eating and exercise. I have checked with my physiotherapy team at ION (UCH) who work with Dr Reilly's clinic, and the research has not been published yet (the paper is still being written) - what has been published on the forum is a first release extract by the MDA. Best wishes, Donna from London www.myfitnessyear.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2010 Report Share Posted October 12, 2010 As for me, I'm not giving up. I'm just frustrated. A study using 10-15g would have been a better place at which to START, not 1.5g. We know most animals fall generally in this 10-15g range under normal conditions, but when under stress they produce even more. Sigh. > > > > > > First clinical trial of Ascorbic Acid (Vit. C) for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease > > > > > > http://www.muscular-dystrophy.org/research/grants/completed_grants/2713_first_cl\ inical_trial_for_charcot-marie-tooth_disease > > > > > > > > > Project Leader: Dr Reilly > > > Location: MRC Centre for Neuromuscular Diseases, Department of Molecular Neuroscience, UCL Institute of Neurology > > > Condition: Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease 1A > > > Duration: 3 years, completed August 2009 > > > Total Project Cost: £201,601 > > > Official Title: Randomised double blind placebo controlled trial of long-term ascorbic acid treatment in Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A. > > > > > > > > > Dr Reilly and colleagues organised this first clinical trial for Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease type 1A (CMT1A) to determine if vitamin C could slow the progression of the condition. Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. The trial did however gather important information on the progression of CMT1A and gained experience in conducting clinical trials for this condition that will be valuable for future CMT1A clinical trials. > > > > > > > > > What were the researchers aiming to do? > > > In 2004, researchers discovered that when they gave vitamin C to a mouse model of CMT1A, there was an improvement in the symptoms the mice were displaying. These mice also performed better in a series of muscle function tests than untreated mice. Since vitamin C is already freely available there was concern that some people with CMT1A were taking high doses of vitamin C, having read about this study, without there being clear evidence of a similar effect in humans. It was, therefore, decided that a trial should be set up to test if vitamin C did indeed have a similar effect in humans and whether it was safe for this group of individuals to be taking high dose vitamin C. > > > > > > Dr Reilly and her colleagues in Italy set up this trial to test the safety and efficacy of vitamin C in CMT1A. The trial was a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. This means that participants were randomly assigned to receive either vitamin C or a placebo (an inactive substance that looks and tastes just like vitamin C) and neither the doctors nor the participants knew who was getting what. As this was the first trial for CMT it was very important to think carefully about what to measure in order to correctly establish if there was a difference between the people treated with Vitamin C and those who got the placebo - these are called outcome measures. Prior to the trial starting, a European Neuromuscular Centre funded workshop was organised to determine the best outcome measures. The workshop was attended by an international group of clinicians and importantly also included two patient representatives. > > > > > > Following the workshop it was decided to run the trial in the UK and Italy with the aim of recruiting 272 participants. The participants, aged between 18 and 70 years of age, would get three doses of either Vitamin C (1.5 g in total per day) or the placebo every day for 2 years. They were followed up every 6 months and measurements such as muscle strength, changes in feeling, walking speed and levels of pain and fatigue assessed. 50 participants were to be recruited in the UK arm of the study, run by Dr Reilly. > > > > > > What did their research show? > > > Of the original 50 participants, 38 completed the trial. The 12 who did not complete the trial dropped out for a variety of reasons including adverse events, pregnancy, admissions for surgery, withdrawal of consent and failure to attend follow-up appointments. > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the trial showed that while the high doses of vitamin C were safe, it did not improve the symptoms nor did it slow the progression of CMT1A on objective tests. Although this is a negative result, it was still important to carry out the trial to prove one way or the other whether vitamin C would have an effect. Researchers will be able to use this information and move onto exploring other avenues for possible therapy. > > > > > > > > > One important result of this trial has been the validation of the outcome measures for CMT. The fact that this has been a long term trial (2 years) has also allowed Dr Reilly and her colleagues to gather detailed information about how this condition progresses and changes over time. This valuable information will help with the planning of future clinical trials for CMT. > > > > > > How will the outcomes of the research benefit patients? > > > This trial has shown that vitamin C does not improve the symptoms or slow the progression of CMT1A. As many people were taking high doses of vitamin C having heard about the animal study, it was important to determine if this might indeed prove to be an effective treatment or whether people were unnecessarily taking this substance. > > > > > > The work done in this trial also will help to inform and improve future trials for CMT. > > > > > > Background Information > > > CMT is the most prevalent inherited neuromuscular condition affecting around 23,000 people in the UK. CMT1A is the commonest form of CMT and is caused by the presence of an extra copy of a gene that carries the instructions for a protein called peripheral myelin protein 22 (PMP-22). PMP-22 has an important role in the formation and maintenance of myelin. Myelin is the layer wrapped around the axon of nerve cells and it is important for the conduction of electrical signals down the nerve. It is thought that having an extra copy of the PMP-22 gene may impair the function of the myelin and thus affecting how well the nerves are able to conduct the electrical signals. > > > > > > > > > < Return to completed grants > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 Thanks much for the information. Hansen Re: CMT 1A: Results of Vitamin C trial in the UK Hi , The primary side effect of taking high dosage vitamin c is stomach irritation and diarrhea. This can be managed through slowly increasing doses to a high level, and ensuring adequate hydration. At least that is my experience and the recommendation of my nutritionist. Personally I had to discontinue vitamin c supplements (and all supplements which could have an impact on CMT) when I participated in the hip flexor strength study at the Institute of Neurology here in the UK. I have managed my health since then by focusing on nutrition, diet, healthy eating and exercise. I have checked with my physiotherapy team at ION (UCH) who work with Dr Reilly's clinic, and the research has not been published yet (the paper is still being written) - what has been published on the forum is a first release extract by the MDA. Best wishes, Donna from London www.myfitnessyear.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I have taken 8gm of time-released Vit C from GNC divided morning and night since the results of the mouse study were released. I went up to that dose slowly, but started seeing some muscle increases at 4-6 gm. Today my hands are much stronger than they were and I have increased the muscles in my feet and legs. I still have bilateral foot drop, but I got to where I was over 20-30 yrs so I don't expect to repair the damage sooner. Interestingly the mouse study was on CMT Type 1 and I was diagnosed by Dr Jerry Mendel at OSU as having Type 2 CMT. I figured I had nothing to lose trying the Vit C. I'm so glad I did. My husband, a Family Practice Physician and my Orthopedic Physician said not to expect any results by trying but it wouldn't hurt me. I showed them! Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2010 Report Share Posted October 21, 2010 I had nothing but good luck with vitamin C. I don't believe the study. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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