alpha lipoic acid

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone tried alpha lipoic acid instead of dmsa or dmps? I feel

> like my son has tried everything without and change.

My kids are fully chelated with ALA. It allowed them to tolerate all

foods and not have gut yeast any more. They required many other

supplements for major improvements tho.

Dana

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone tried alpha lipoic acid instead of dmsa or dmps? I feel

> like my son has tried everything without and change.

Tons of people. It works great if they are toxic with something it

chelates, may not do much othewise.

Did you get a hair test at some point and discuss it with the group?

Andy . . . . . .. .

[Guest guest]

Many of us on this list use ALA. What have you tried and at what doses and

dosing schedules? How long did you try them? How old is your son, what's his

diagnosis?Did you do a hair test and apply counting rules to determine which

toxic metals he has? What did it show? ALA chelates arsenic and mercury, dmsa

chelates lead and mercury, dmps can chelate mercury. If he's got high antimony

and arsenic it's likely that the dmsa and dmps wouldn't have helped. How's his

diet? What supplements does he take? Most here find that it takes a

combination of biomedical approaches, rather than just one at a time.

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[Guest guest]

If you are taking ANY alpha lipoic acid you may want to do some

reading about the chelating effects of this supplement. There are

good resources in the files

@ / and

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

frequent-dose-chelation/?

yguid=140279175

Taking it on a random basis, which would be ANY schedule that is not

every 3 hours for a limited time and then resting your body for at

least an equal time, causes a redistribution of heavy metals; the

larger the dose, the larger amount of metal that is discharged and

available for redistribution. It also crosses the BBB so can leave

you with those metals firmly entrenched in your brain.

I'm using ldn for a vaccine injured young adult who is also chelating

using ALA and DMSA. When we use this combo, she gets it every 3 hours

around the clock for 3 days and then is off for 4 days. Sometimes we

use a 3on/11off schedule. We have taken more extended breaks to

better address mineral depletion that occurs with using this

combination. As I've said before, I'm struck by the similarities of

symptoms that I read here with what she has experienced. imo, the

labels i.e. autism, pdd, ms, als are not too relevant esp if it all

boils down to toxic exposure and the body's effort to cope.

**** For example, high doses of alpha lipoic acid deplete some of our

biotin and more importantly B12. You must take extra. Have a great

day everyone and God Bless, Kathy

> [low dose naltrexone] Re: News regarding UK study of

mitoxantrone and copaxone

>

>

>

> >

> > I am not an advocate for the drug industry being that my wife

would not

> > be where she is today if not for the grass roots campaign of

LDN.

> > However, I do have hope, as we all do, that someday we will

find a cure

> > for this debilitating disease. Hence this is why I have posted

this

> > link. It probably won't help my wife who is now at a 5 on the

EDSS, as

> > opposed to a 9 two years ago; thanks to LDN and the rigorous

therapy

> > plan we have put in place.

>

> ============================

>

> No comment on the article but inspired to hear your wife has gone

from

> 9 to 5 on the EDSS on LDN in two years! I love reading this type

of

> post, totally refreshing and reinforces my belief in LDN. Wish

there

> were more of them. I've steadily drifted down to 6.5 EDSS between

1999

> and 2005. I started LDN Sept/Oct 2005 and have basically stayed at

> 6.5 since then. I use the Best Bet Diet (fairly strictly) and

loads of

> supplements. The exercise thing though in fits and starts (always

> start that tomorrow) but thanks to your post I'm back on it as

soon as

> I finish this posting.

> Thanks and best wishes to your wife, you've given me the kick up

the

> backside we all need now and then.

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

I don’t know much about it, but Nutrimedical just came out with a

product called Nutritrala that is supposedly the first extended release

version of ALA. I’ve used some of his other recommended products with

great results.

http://www.nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view

<http://www.nutrimedical.com/products.jhtml?method=view & product.id=3289>

& product.id=3289

We haven’t started chelating yet, but I’m already a little stressed

about the frequent dosing. This looks promising to me.

Darla

[ ] Re: alpha lipoic acid

it is jarrow formulas alpha lipoic acid with biotin, 100mg, 180 easy

solv tablets.

http://www.iherb.

<http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=114 & at=0>

com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=114 & at=0

noticed that doctors best do 35mg capsules.

http://www.iherb.

<http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=4936 & at=0>

com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=4936 & at=0

also jarrow do a sustained release tablet. it is 300mg but if you are

able to tolerate high doses could be quartered up into 75mg doses.

http://www.iherb.

<http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=143 & at=0>

com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=143 & at=0

>

> i am using jarrow 100mg tablets that i've quartered using pill

cutter.

> works well and no problems with tablets crumbling up. i'm taking

25mg

> every 3 hours. not experiencing any side effects. should i increase

> dosage to 50mg?

[Guest guest]

it is jarrow formulas alpha lipoic acid with biotin, 100mg, 180 easy

solv tablets.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=114 & at=0

noticed that doctors best do 35mg capsules.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=4936 & at=0

also jarrow do a sustained release tablet. it is 300mg but if you are

able to tolerate high doses could be quartered up into 75mg doses.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1 & pid=143 & at=0

>

> i am using jarrow 100mg tablets that i've quartered using pill

cutter.

> works well and no problems with tablets crumbling up. i'm taking

25mg

> every 3 hours. not experiencing any side effects. should i increase

> dosage to 50mg?

[Guest guest]

>

> i am using jarrow 100mg tablets that i've quartered using pill cutter.

> works well and no problems with tablets crumbling up. i'm taking 25mg

> every 3 hours. not experiencing any side effects. should i increase

> dosage to 50mg?

>

An increase of no more than 50% at a time is best. Side effects can

increase a lot with a doubling of dose.

Side effects also vary from round to round, so I would be sure you

are fine at 25 mg for several rounds before considering an increase

to 37.5 mg.

--

[Guest guest]

> >

> > i am using jarrow 100mg tablets that i've quartered using pill

> cutter.

> > works well and no problems with tablets crumbling up. i'm taking

> 25mg

> > every 3 hours. not experiencing any side effects. should i increase

> > dosage to 50mg?

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Metabolioc Maintenance.

Art

--

>

> Greetings all

> Does anyone remember or know the brand of Alpha Lipoic Acid that Dr.

> Berkson recommended at the conference?

> Be Well. And here's to a happy and healthy new year for us all.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Art,

You seem to be one of the few people at the conference who took good

notes. Do you recall Berkson indicating he used oral therapy or was

it IV?

Elliot

> >

> > Greetings all

> > Does anyone remember or know the brand of Alpha Lipoic Acid that

Dr.

> > Berkson recommended at the conference?

> > Be Well. And here's to a happy and healthy new year for us all.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

i think both-i'm reading his book right now-facinating -i just can't remember what brand he recommendedcyndi [low dose naltrexone] Re: alpha lipoic acid

Art,

You seem to be one of the few people at the conference who took good

notes. Do you recall Berkson indicating he used oral therapy or was

it IV?

Elliot

> >

> > Greetings all

> > Does anyone remember or know the brand of Alpha Lipoic Acid that

Dr.

> > Berkson recommended at the conference?

> > Be Well. And here's to a happy and healthy new year for us all.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Wasn't physically at the conference, Elliot, just have a pretty good

memory of what is discussed here. I believe Berkson's treatment

involved IV.

Art

--

>

> Art,

>

> You seem to be one of the few people at the conference who took good

> notes. Do you recall Berkson indicating he used oral therapy or was

> it IV?

>

> Elliot

[Guest guest]

Hi All, Berkson uses IV at his clinic and pill when you leave. DeborahArt Hansen <rtee54@...> wrote: Wasn't physically at the conference, Elliot, just have a pretty good memory of what is discussed here. I believe Berkson's treatment involved IV.Art-->> Art,> > You seem

to be one of the few people at the conference who took good > notes. Do you recall Berkson indicating he used oral therapy or was > it IV?> > Elliot

[Guest guest]

What is the maintenance dose of the Alpa Lipoic Acid?

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Re: alpha lipoic acid

>

>Hi All,

>

> Berkson uses IV at his clinic and pill when you leave.

>

> Deborah

>

>Art Hansen <rtee54@...> wrote:

> Wasn't physically at the conference, Elliot, just have a pretty good

>memory of what is discussed here. I believe Berkson's treatment

>involved IV.

>

>Art

>--

>

>

>>

>> Art,

>>

>> You seem to be one of the few people at the conference who took good

>> notes. Do you recall Berkson indicating he used oral therapy or was

>> it IV?

>>

>> Elliot

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

One brand was Metabolic Maintenance. The other I can't recall.

Art

--

>

> hello,

>

> is there any supplement of alpha lipoic acid that is considered the

> best supplement.

> does dr berkson give advice on this?

>

> marja zahavi

>

[Guest guest]

I wasn't at the conference - is there a paper by this Dr. Berkson? I've been

taking ALA for a

year & feel it's really helped me & that it may be one reason why there were no

new lesions

on my MRI of last week.

I don't know about the best brand, but www.vitacost.com has the best prices of

several

brands, and their house brand NSI is a great deal & feels like it works when I

take it. But I'd

love to know if brand is important & I could do better!

Re the IV issue: I can't give myself an IV, but I do try to get closer to that

by absorbing the

ALA buccally (through the tissues lining the inside of the mouth). I open the

capsules, spill

out the powder into a teacup, dissolve it in a little lemon-flavored cod liver

oil & spoon it

with an espresso spoon under my tongue and between my cheeks and gums, holding

it in

my mouth for as long as I can stand before swallowing. Sounds crazy, but I think

I'm

getting at least some of it directly into my bloodstream via the carotid artery

that leads to

the brain. I do this in the evening with two 300 mg caps, and in the morning

take one 300

mg time-release tablet (Whole Foods brand) to take me through the day, so that's

only

900 mg a day. I also take Vitamin C & E with the ALA - they have a synergistic

effect.

I do worry about overdoing it, though - anyone know anything about side

effects/potential

downsides of high doses of ALA?

>

> hello,

>

> is there any supplement of alpha lipoic acid that is considered the

> best supplement.

> does dr berkson give advice on this?

>

> marja zahavi

>

[Guest guest]

For those interested in antioxidants -- like alpha lipoic acid (ALA)

-- here is a great video by Dr Mark Hymen that covers 'Glutathione' --

which our body produces naturally. He calls it the 'mother of all

antioxidants'. Taking ALA and/or NAC will increase your glutathione.

I think he does a great job of explaining / describing the benefits.

Jann

[Guest guest]

"Re the IV issue: I can't give myself an IV, but I do try to get closer to that by absorbing the ALA buccally (through the tissues lining the inside of the mouth). I open the capsules, spill out the powder into a teacup, dissolve it in a little lemon-flavored cod liver oil & spoon it with an espresso spoon under my tongue and between my cheeks and gums, holding it in my mouth for as long as I can stand before swallowing." ***************************************************************************** What an interesting idea. My husband and I take B12 sublingually but never thought of taking the ALA in much the same way. Two gold stars to you, Judith! Would you share with us just how you would describe the taste? And to other members of the list, how do you feel about taking ALA bucally/sublingually? Warm wishes to all, Jan

[Guest guest]

Perhaps this extended discussion should move to the ldnsupport group that Cyndi started just for this purpose.

mjhWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

[Guest guest]

I was advised to take 300mgs a day of ALA.

Art

--

>

> is 300 mgs. a day enough for alpha?? i take 3 - 100 mg. tabs a

day. should

> this be increased??

>

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[Guest guest]

You can use it alone as a chelator - danasview.net - she used it alone to

chelate her kids (and I believe herself as well)

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of nov2957

Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 6:12 PM

Subject: Alpha Lipoic Acid

Can this be used alone, or does it have to be taken with other

chelators?

cathy

[Guest guest]

>

> Can this be used alone, or does it have to be taken with other

> chelators?

I used ALA only. It is helpful to take vitamin C and selenium also.

I have chelated all four kids, and myself, with ALA.

Dana

[Guest guest]

the best is iv but i think you will have to do with pills.unless you are very

light weight ,you can take 2x300 mg.

dr berkson recommend from the brand metabolic maintanance

>

> Hello,

>

> Would those people who tried alpha lipoic acid tell me their dosage and the

> schedule they use it ? Is it with injection or is it a pill ?

>

> Thanks...

>

[Guest guest]

Zahavi,

Do you know anything about the difference

between alpha lipoic and R lipoic mentioned by someone recently?

Also can you remind me the possible benefit of taking it ?

I have just ordered D-Phen using your

coupon, thanks.

I need to be careful just how many supplements

I pile in at once and want to add only that which can help inflammation or

pain.

Having felt convinced that my Diclofenac

is actually making my inflammation worse instead of better, I am cutting it in

half to see if I can survive.

Nuala

From:

low dose naltrexone

[mailto:low dose naltrexone ]

On Behalf Of zahavi

Sent: 26 May 2009 07:25

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] Re:

Alpha lipoic acid

the best is iv but i think you will have to do with

pills.unless you are very light weight ,you can take 2x300 mg.

dr berkson recommend from the brand metabolic maintanance

>

> Hello,

>

> Would those people who tried alpha lipoic acid tell me their dosage and

the

> schedule they use it ? Is it with injection or is it a pill ?

>

> Thanks...

>

[Guest guest]

hallo nuala

if i were you i would start the D-Phenylalanine and see what it does for you.you

can take it 3 times a day on an empty stomach.2 hours after eating or half an

hour before eating.it should help you with the pains.

we learnt about alpha lipoic acid mainly from dr berkson.i do not know about

R-lipoic.we use the brand that dr berkson recomend and it is metabolic

maintnance.my wife is light weight so she uses 300 mg per day.after starting

that she felt she could tolerate more supplements.it probably helps with the

liver.as i wrote you she uses so many different so it is not easy to know

exactly the effect of every supplement.dr berkson you can see onn you tube when

you search berkson.low dose naltrexone.

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > Would those people who tried alpha lipoic acid tell me their dosage and

> the

> > schedule they use it ? Is it with injection or is it a pill ?

> >

> > Thanks...

> >

>