Guest guest Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 We've pretty well established the general safety and efficacy of creatine. There may be a small population which cramps while using it and we've got some decent hypothesis as to why. Now there are these issues: The first is the one brought up, creatine contaminated or deliberately laced with banned substances. A very serious issue for any competing athlete. The second, brought up by Ed, is also very important. Creatine contaminated with impurities. Both of these happen...absolutely no doubt about it. Therefore the question is, Where can you get unadulterated creatine? Short of paying a chemist to assay various brands of creatine, how and where does one find the good stuff? Pure creatine does exist. I used to provide many Div I colleges with it. They have chemistry depts. that routinely tested our products. We never received a single complaint. However, that manufacturer is out of business. If a reputable, nationally famous company or organization guaranteed the purity of their creatine, how many here would be interested in getting some? W.G. Ubermensch Sports Consultancy San Deigo, CA > > Nick, > > Quite by accident I ran across a pretty well written article the other day that seemed to be well referenced about the fact that creatine often has impurities in it depending on the manufacturer and that these chemicals could well be a health risk. I don't want to beat this horse to death but essentially here is the meat of the article: > > In the December issue of Health and Nutrition Breakthroughs (p12, 1997) Dr. Podell addressed the same concern regarding creatine as I have when he stated " ...there is the potentially important issue of product purity. Given the high doses of creatine most people take, even a minute toxic impurity could have a dangerous effect. Unfortunately we cannot be sure of a manufacturers' quality controls. " > > As we all know, people don't just take 500mg (1/2 a gram) of creatine, they take 10,000mg (10g), 20,000mg (20g), or even 30,000mg (30g) of creatine per day, so even a small amount of a contaminant (such as the dihydrotriazine) can add up quickly. For example, one creatine product contained as much as 18,000 parts per million (PPM) of Dicyandiamide. If a person is taking in ten grams per day of creatine, that's 180 mg of this chemical a day. If you are taking in 30g a day of creatine-as is often the case during the loading phase-you would be getting a whopping 540mg a day of dicyandiamide! > > The Chemicals > > Dicyandiamide (DC): DC is actually a derivative of one of the starting chemicals (cyanamide) used in creatine production. DC is formed during the production of creatine products, and large amounts found in a product are considered the result of an incomplete or inefficient process. A quality creatine product will contain very small amounts, less than 20-50ppm. At this time, DC does not appear to be a particularly toxic chemical. Oral studies with animals (rats and dogs) lasting up to 90 days have not shown serious toxicity or carcinogenic effects, and acute poisoning also takes very high amounts. DC appears to have many uses in the chemical industry. Some of the more interesting is the use of DC in the production of fertilizers, explosives, fire proofing compounds, cleaning compounds, soldering compounds, stabilizer in detergents, modifier for starch products, and a catalyst for epoxy resins > > It goes on about what these chemicals are and what they might do but the idea was that they were not harmful as long as athletes are taking the 5 gram recommended dose but when they are taking more well you can look at the math as quoted. Certainly is something to think about and pretty interesting that in none of the studies we have been discussing was this a variable taken into account. I still believe this is a much more complex issue and that the surface has just been scratched so to speak on what is actually biologically taking place. > > Eddie White > Blue Springs, Mo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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