Introduction

[Guest guest]

,

Sorry it took so long the holidays have been crazy. How wonderful

that Bug has shown no ill effects so far from his inutero life. I

give you and patrick all the credit in the world for taking on this

responsibility and truly hope that you will be able to adopt him. Now

the plagio.....don't get too worried about having to wait till Jan,

Bug is still young enough to recieve excellent correction. Most

babies when caught young are banded between 3-5 months. Do you know

what band provider this plastic surgeon refers to? You can always

post to see what options are available in your area. If you would

like to get an idea of how the whole process goes from start to

finish you can look at my son's website

www.mybandedbaby.typepad.com

It has his story of treatment with the Doc band and has pictures of

everything including progress pictures. It also has a bit of info on

some of the associated risks(TMJ,vision problems,etc..) that can go

hand in hand with plagio and tort. Hope this helps and good luck with

everything.

CAROLG

>

> Hi. My name is and my husband, , and I are foster

> parents to the most adorable 3 month old who we call " Bug " . He was

> brought into foster care because was born cocaine positive. Other

> than being a preemie (born at 35 weeks) Bug has shown no affects

> from the drug exposure. We brought him home from the hospital at 1

> week old and are very hopeful that we will be able to adopt him.

>

> I first noticed at his preference to turning his head to the right

> when he was about 3 weeks old. I was looking through lots of

> pictures and noticed that in just about all of them his head was

> turned the same way. We discussed our concern with our pediatrician

> at Bug's 1 month check up. He showed us some stretches to do

because

> he thought Bug had some neck tightening on the right side. He also

> some repositioning techniques so we could keep him off the small

> flat spot he had developed. At his 2 month check up we got the

> referral for physical therapy for torticolis and plagiocephaly. Bug

> has been going to therapy 2x a week since right before

Thanksgiving.

> His torticollis is SO much better, but he still has plagiocephaly.

> His head has really rounded out a lot, but not as much as the PT

> would like. Yesterday we got a referral to a pediatric plastic

> surgeon and I'm sure we will most likely be getting Bug fitted for

a

> helmet.

>

> I found this group and was so excited to see such a wealth of

> information. I'm a planner (urban planner) by profession and by

> nature so I feel so much better know that there are so many other

> parents going through this. I'm frustrated already because the next

> available appointment isn't until the end of January!!! But

> hopefully this group will help me become educated by then and I

will

> know what questions to ask and how to evaluate our options.

>

> Looking forward to reading everyone's advice and giving some in

> return as I learn.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello all!...

Welcome Kayla!

B.

[Guest guest]

Kayla-

>Hello all! I think that I have not yet introduced myself. Time has

>gotten away from me, about a week anyway.(= My name is Kayla. I've

>been changing to NT for the last year. This is a slow process when it's

>4 sets of taste buds! I have a wonderful husband who supports me in

>this change when it doesn't taste to sour........hummm when is that?

>And I have 3 small children ages 4, 2, and 6 months. We live in Idaho

>on 16 acres and hope to get our own cow and chickens soon. Right now I

>get raw milk from my neighbor. I'm really just now starting to

>experiment with kefir and soured milk products at home. I enjoy getting

>all the information and support this group has to offer!

Welcome to the list, and good luck with your journey towards better

nutrition and health! It's fantastic that you have enough land for

some livestock of your own. There's no better way to make sure that

your family gets the best, tastiest and most nutritious food possible.

-

[Guest guest]

Hi ...

Welcome...I have an 18 yr old high school senior who has AS...he was and is

totally into the Weather Channel...even has autographed pics of some of the

on-air people...lol! I think this has been a great place for support and

information...hope you will find the same things. Looking forward to getting

to

know you and your family...

Blessings,

Gail

[Guest guest]

Gail,

My son is 4 and just diagnosed...I posted a letter on here

explaining all of the things he does, or doesn't do, I am totally

new at all this...I worked with handicapped adults for years

including autistic individuals...since your son is 18, I wonder

what's in store for my son...can you explain to me what he's like

now? what he was like in elementary school etc? I have no idea what

to expect.

thank you,

>

> Hi ...

>

> Welcome...I have an 18 yr old high school senior who has AS...he

was and is

> totally into the Weather Channel...even has autographed pics of

some of the

> on-air people...lol! I think this has been a great place for

support and

> information...hope you will find the same things. Looking

forward to getting to

> know you and your family...

> Blessings,

> Gail

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group Phil :-). You'll find lots of people to answer

lots of questions. You'll also find lots of other people getting

lives back too.

Anita

>

> Im new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. We do not

have the issue of autism to deal but rather my lyme disease plus

related co-infections and heavy metal toxicity.Joined this group as so

many on other groups that I'm on recommended it. Am here to learn and

pose questions to help me get a life back.

>

> Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Im new to the list and just wanted to introduce myself. We do not have the

issue of autism to deal but rather my lyme disease plus related co-infections

and heavy metal toxicity.Joined this group as so many on other groups that I'm

on recommended it. Am here to learn and pose questions to help me get a life

back.

Welcome, Phil!

I hope you find the information here useful. There is so much to read and learn

about, sometimes can be overwhelming, but take it easy and let us know if you

need any help. I know most people here are more than happy to help

Good luck!

Valentina

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome!

There are actually lots of us adults taking enzymes as well! Personally, I

began taking them while pregnant with my last child (now 10 months) and

continue for nursing as well. My daughter who will turn 4 in April (no ASD

but all the biochemical markers and leaky gut - she walked and talked late

and we got lucky and addressed insufficiencies biomedically and she is now

developing normally except we have a cabinet full of supplements!) has done

wonderfully well on the enzymes. I feel our family was very lucky that we

found enzymes almost before any other supplement (besides EFAs and

probiotics).

Glad you are enjoying 's book. You have probably also found her

website www.enzymestuff.com <http://www.enzymestuff.com/> ? It is another

great resource; and you will find lots of people on the list to answer any

questions you have along the way.

Josie

introduction

Good morning to all of you,

My name is Gray and I am just starting to experiment with enzymes for

my 22 year old son, . I've been reading 's book and noted that

there is little information anecdotally or research-wise regarding this

approach to adults. Hopefully, we can contribute along the way. I have

been where you parents of young children are now, although obviously, the

newer philosophies were not as refined as they are now. was one of

those typically developing toddlers who lost language, and other

developmentally appropriate skills between 18 mos. and 24 mos. He also

started spinning himself in circles - you know the rest. We tried the

Feingold diet with good success around age 4 - he had chronic diarrhea since

very early on, which cleared up with the FG diet. But, we didn't stick with

it. Interestingly, the idea of cerebral allergy was around even in 1986,

but wasn't given much credibility. Over the years we tried: B-6, Mg, DMG,

sensory integration, cranial-sacral, speech therapy, pre-school,

auditory-integration, facilitated communication, Son-Rise, Landau-Kleffner

eval, and various meds. By age 9, had gotten very aggressive and was

hospitalized in an attempt to find the right combination of meds to help him

be able to cope. It seemed that he also had a cyclical biploar type of

thing going on (i.e., he would have a 2-3 good weeks and then 5-7 really bad

days). To make a 22 year long story short, he has had two really good years

with the introduction of Depakote. The bad news is he had gained about

60-70 pounds, and has developed insulin resistance. My goal with diet and

enzymes is to greatly decrease the amount of Depakote he is taking

(currently 2000 mg), and just to have a happier, healthier person. He still

lives at home and I don't see that changing for a while. I did some

behavior consulting in group homes for a while (I have a couple of degrees

in psychology) and I'm not comfortable with my nonverbal son being in that

type of situation. Sorry for the mini-book, we will hopefully get to know

each other better along the way. If there are any other parents of adults

in the group, please let me know how your family is doing.

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group .

I have a 3.5 yo son and have been doing biomedical for my son and some for my

self as well. I believe I have Asperger's syndrome and am 43.

I have also gone on GFCF diet and enzymes. The diet has been very important

for me and my son.

In addition I am taking multi-vitamin, multi-mineral, fish oil, 5-HTP,

L.Glutathione, MSM, and extra zinc, extra magnesium as well as Methyl B 12

nasal spray. I feel so much better, more clear, no anxiety, no depression

which was a very big issue for me. I have also bipolar type two (not as

severe) and need no medication with my regime of supplements. But my husband

who has type one bipolar used to be on Depekot and the loss of muscle tone,

and weight gain were common side effects and besides, it never took the

symptoms away but just tranqulized his system. He is now on Geodon only which

is a neurolaptic (anti psychotic) drug but works far better than the mood

stablizers for him. No weight gain either.

On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF diet

and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

shots. Ellimination of Milk products is so important. There is no

contradiction that I know of on this and any psychiatric drugs as my husband

is on it too. My son's only real language started after we started giving him

Methyl B 12 in nasal spray form. Now we have doubled the dose and have even

better result.

Best,

Haleh

--- dianagray3309@... wrote:

> Good morning to all of you,

>

> My name is Gray and I am just starting to experiment with enzymes for

> my 22 year old son, . I've been reading 's book and noted that

> there is little information anecdotally or research-wise regarding this

> approach to adults. Hopefully, we can contribute along the way. I have

> been where you parents of young children are now, although obviously, the

> newer philosophies were not as refined as they are now. was one of

> those typically developing toddlers who lost language, and other

> developmentally appropriate skills between 18 mos. and 24 mos. He also

> started spinning himself in circles - you know the rest. We tried the

> Feingold diet with good success around age 4 - he had chronic diarrhea since

> very early on, which cleared up with the FG diet. But, we didn't stick with

> it. Interestingly, the idea of cerebral allergy was around even in 1986,

> but wasn't given much credibility. Over the years we tried: B-6, Mg, DMG,

> sensory integration, cranial-sacral, speech therapy, pre-school,

> auditory-integration, facilitated communication, Son-Rise, Landau-Kleffner

> eval, and various meds. By age 9, had gotten very aggressive and was

> hospitalized in an attempt to find the right combination of meds to help him

> be able to cope. It seemed that he also had a cyclical biploar type of

> thing going on (i.e., he would have a 2-3 good weeks and then 5-7 really bad

> days). To make a 22 year long story short, he has had two really good years

> with the introduction of Depakote. The bad news is he had gained about

> 60-70 pounds, and has developed insulin resistance. My goal with diet and

> enzymes is to greatly decrease the amount of Depakote he is taking

> (currently 2000 mg), and just to have a happier, healthier person. He still

> lives at home and I don't see that changing for a while. I did some

> behavior consulting in group homes for a while (I have a couple of degrees

> in psychology) and I'm not comfortable with my nonverbal son being in that

> type of situation. Sorry for the mini-book, we will hopefully get to know

> each other better along the way. If there are any other parents of adults

> in the group, please let me know how your family is doing.

>

>

[Guest guest]

This did not seem to go through the first time, I'll try again...

________________________________

From: Oakes,

Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 10:56 AM

' '

Subject: Introduction

Hi everyone!

Although I have posted a few times already, I am new to the list and

just realized that I never introduced myself ;-). So here goes ...

My name is and our older daugher (2 years 10 months) was

diagnosed with Developmental Verbal Dyspraxia back in October, when she

was 29 months old. That is her only official diagnosis, but

also has subtle oral-motor sensory issues and slight fine motor issues

as well, not surprising. has been in Early Intervention for 8

months now (since 25 she was 25 months) and is beginning to make

progress. She gets 4 x 30 speech therapy, 2 x 60 SEIT and 1 x 60 OT per

week. When she was first evaluated at 25 months, she had 4 words. In

mid-December she had 15. Now she has 105 words and is just starting to

put 2 words together. We are THRILLED!

just completed her CPSE evaluations (although she will be in

Early Intervention through August 31) and with some effort on my part,

we feel like she was given fair evaluations that were sensitive to her

verbal abilties. She is a bright little girl with a speech disorder,

according to the evals. We knew this already ;-) but are glad that the

evals reflected this. We are hoping to enroll in a

Speech-Language intensive preschool in the fall. Our initial IEP

meeting is in April.

Like many of you, we are supplementing with Pro-EFA. I just upped her

dose to 2 capsules a day, now that her evals are completed ;-).

Sorry this is so long. I look forward to learning from and sharing with

the other on this list.

Warm regards,

******************

(Rochester, NY)

Mom to , 2.10 years, Developmental Verbal Dyspraxia

& , 8 months

[Guest guest]

>

On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

diet

and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your

son

Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as

the

shots

=======================================================================

Haleh,

Reading that has really made my day My 10 yrsold nonverbal

child lost his speech after his MMR and I believe in this treatment

and in miracles both

Iffat

[Guest guest]

HI,

On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

diet

and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son Methyl

B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the shots

Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did not like

the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have any more

info on this?

Thanks in advance

---------------------------------

Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

[Guest guest]

Dear Iffat,

I think for good think to happen, we must hold them in our imagination and

visions. Nothing good ever happens without someone envisioning it.

You are a right person for miracles because you trust they happen.

Have you thought of chelation for your younger child?

We can all stand to be chelated in this toxic world. The key is to do it

gently.

Best,

Haleh

P.S. Is your name Arabic? I am Iranian.

--- private <mysweetangel786@...> wrote:

>

> >

> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

> diet

> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your

> son

> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as

> the

> shots

> =======================================================================

> Haleh,

> Reading that has really made my day My 10 yrsold nonverbal

> child lost his speech after his MMR and I believe in this treatment

> and in miracles both

>

> Iffat

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Haleh'

Yes I do need to have him chelated starting this summer.He has been

on several supps for some time now and I am working on preparing him

for chealtion .Will be getting several tests done before summer break

to check all the important levels.

I will discuss with his DAN which route to take for chealtion

keeping in consideration that he is seizures prone and also his

age.He will be 11 this summer.I wish I could get him ready for

chelation much earlier.

Thanks Haleh.I have always found you very helpful

Iffat

(yes .my name is arabic )

> > >

> > On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005

Boston

> > conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on

GFCF

> > diet

> > and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give

your

> > son

> > Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as

effective as

> > the

> > shots

> >

======================================================================

=

> > Haleh,

> > Reading that has really made my day My 10 yrsold

nonverbal

> > child lost his speech after his MMR and I believe in this

treatment

> > and in miracles both

> >

> > Iffat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Iffat,

My son was 10 when we started chelation. he is very high functioning

Aspergers, but has responded really well to chelation. I, too, find Haleh

helpful!!

best wishes!!

private <mysweetangel786@...> wrote:

Haleh'

Yes I do need to have him chelated starting this summer.He has been

on several supps for some time now and I am working on preparing him

for chealtion .Will be getting several tests done before summer break

to check all the important levels.

I will discuss with his DAN which route to take for chealtion

keeping in consideration that he is seizures prone and also his

age.He will be 11 this summer.I wish I could get him ready for

chelation much earlier.

Thanks Haleh.I have always found you very helpful

Iffat

(yes .my name is arabic )

> > >

> > On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005

Boston

> > conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on

GFCF

> > diet

> > and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give

your

> > son

> > Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as

effective as

> > the

> > shots

> >

======================================================================

=

> > Haleh,

> > Reading that has really made my day My 10 yrsold

nonverbal

> > child lost his speech after his MMR and I believe in this

treatment

> > and in miracles both

> >

> > Iffat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I heard that Binstock, the infamous autism researcher recently wrote an

article supporting this.

Also a friend of mine who can't afford DAN has an ASD son who was verbal but

talked very little and only with prompting. Little over two months ago, I gave

a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her son. She is

giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told me that her

son talks a lot now and is much more social.

So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no Idea but

very well is good enough for me.

Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11 year old

son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had been on for

a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots. So, she

switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for others more

and for some not quite as much.

My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per day.

My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good price. That

is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

Best,

Haleh

--- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

> HI,

>

> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

> diet

> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

> shots

>

> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did not

> like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have any

> more info on this?

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What I wonder about the sublingual though is timing. The thing about the

shots is that they are very slowly absorbed.

The thing about B12 in general is that it can also " use up " other Bs and mag

and zinc.so you need to make sure you are balancing appropriately. After a

few months of B12 supplementation our other B markers were actually worse

than they had been before and we had to add a B complex.

We have been using the shots for about 5 months. She had a frank

deficiency. I know many people find they are no big deal and very easy to

administer but I absolutely HATE to give them (I do it while she is

sleeping). I'm not sure she would be thrilled at the idea of the lozenge

(or a spray) but if I thought it would be as good I would switch in a

second.

Josie

Re: introduction

I heard that Binstock, the infamous autism researcher recently wrote

an

article supporting this.

Also a friend of mine who can't afford DAN has an ASD son who was verbal but

talked very little and only with prompting. Little over two months ago, I

gave

a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her son. She

is

giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told me that

her

son talks a lot now and is much more social.

So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no Idea but

very well is good enough for me.

Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11 year old

son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had been on

for

a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots. So, she

switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for others more

and for some not quite as much.

My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per day.

My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good price.

That

is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

Best,

Haleh

--- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

> HI,

>

> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

> diet

> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

> shots

>

> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did not

> like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have

any

> more info on this?

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thats so encouraging

Thank you for giving me more hope

> > > >

> > > On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in

2005

> Boston

> > > conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put

on

> GFCF

> > > diet

> > > and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can

give

> your

> > > son

> > > Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as

> effective as

> > > the

> > > shots

> > >

>

======================================================================

> =

> > > Haleh,

> > > Reading that has really made my day My 10 yrsold

> nonverbal

> > > child lost his speech after his MMR and I believe in this

> treatment

> > > and in miracles both

> > >

> > > Iffat

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What I wonder about the sublingual though is timing. The thing about the

shots is that they are very slowly absorbed.

<<<B12 is stored in the liver, so there is no advantage in giving the shots

or the spray, we give the amount through the day, works well, but you could

give the whole amount in the AM and not worry that it will dissipate like

the other B vitamins.

The thing about B12 in general is that it can also " use up " other Bs and

mag

> and zinc.so you need to make sure you are balancing appropriately. After

> a

> few months of B12 supplementation our other B markers were actually worse

> than they had been before and we had to add a B complex.

<<<We already had a B complex in place and still needed extra B6, in the

form P5P, and B2.

We have been using the shots for about 5 months. She had a frank

deficiency. I know many people find they are no big deal and very easy to

administer but I absolutely HATE to give them (I do it while she is

sleeping). I'm not sure she would be thrilled at the idea of the lozenge

(or a spray) but if I thought it would be as good I would switch in a

second.

<<<We are needle phobic here, ours also, by blood testing, showed low B12

and it was indicated. But worry about the psychological effects (for her and

I both, lol) of giving them shots, would if we absolutely had to, but

definitely prefer not to and glad we got such good results with the oral.

Btw, no difference in sublingual and oral supplementation, Theresa Binstock

had a great report on a study about this, that I saved, but can't find.

>

>

>

> Josie

>

>

>

> Re: introduction

>

>

>

> I heard that Binstock, the infamous autism researcher recently

> wrote

> an

> article supporting this.

> Also a friend of mine who can't afford DAN has an ASD son who was verbal

> but

> talked very little and only with prompting. Little over two months ago, I

> gave

> a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her son. She

> is

> giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told me that

> her

> son talks a lot now and is much more social.

>

> So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no Idea but

> very well is good enough for me.

> Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11 year

> old

> son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had been on

> for

> a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots. So, she

> switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for others

> more

> and for some not quite as much.

>

> My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per day.

> My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good price.

> That

> is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

> Best,

> Haleh

>

> --- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

>

>> HI,

>>

>> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

>> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

>> diet

>> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

>> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

>> shots

>>

>> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did

>> not

>> like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have

> any

>> more info on this?

>>

>> Thanks in advance

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>>

>> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Haleh:

Any idea how your listmate/friend figured out how much sublingual would

replace the shots she had been giving??

And also I wonder which method stirs up the yeast more. Certainly the shots

are known for doing this and I would imagine the sublinguals would as well.

I took the sublinguals myself briefly but then got worried I had better

front load some other things first.

Josie

Little over two months ago, I

> gave

> a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her son. She

> is

> giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told me that

> her

> son talks a lot now and is much more social.

>

> So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no Idea but

> very well is good enough for me.

> Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11 year

> old

> son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had been on

> for

> a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots. So, she

> switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for others

> more

> and for some not quite as much.

>

> My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per day.

> My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good price.

> That

> is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

> Best,

> Haleh

>

> --- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

>

>> HI,

>>

>> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

>> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

>> diet

>> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

>> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

>> shots

>>

>> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did

>> not

>> like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have

> any

>> more info on this?

>>

>> Thanks in advance

>>

>>

>>

>> ---------------------------------

>>

>> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

What she said is what I relayed.

MB 12 excess just goes down urine. Also the adventage to other forms over the

shots is everyday administration.

My friend, whose children have been Dr. Neubrander's patients were giving

shots every day with better result. and recently she switched her youngest to

nasal spray with no problem. Dr. N has significant data about the

effectiveness of shots but no one has done a comparative study with oral or

other forms.

--- Josie Lecraw <josie.nelson@...> wrote:

> Haleh:

>

>

>

> Any idea how your listmate/friend figured out how much sublingual would

> replace the shots she had been giving??

>

>

>

> And also I wonder which method stirs up the yeast more. Certainly the shots

> are known for doing this and I would imagine the sublinguals would as well.

>

>

>

>

> I took the sublinguals myself briefly but then got worried I had better

> front load some other things first.

>

>

>

> Josie

>

>

>

>

>

> Little over two months ago, I

> > gave

> > a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her son. She

> > is

> > giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told me that

> > her

> > son talks a lot now and is much more social.

> >

> > So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no Idea but

> > very well is good enough for me.

> > Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11 year

> > old

> > son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had been on

> > for

> > a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots. So, she

> > switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for others

> > more

> > and for some not quite as much.

> >

> > My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per day.

> > My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good price.

> > That

> > is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

> > Best,

> > Haleh

> >

> > --- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

> >

> >> HI,

> >>

> >> On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in 2005 Boston

> >> conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on GFCF

> >> diet

> >> and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give your son

> >> Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as effective as the

> >> shots

> >>

> >> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I did

> >> not

> >> like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do you have

> > any

> >> more info on this?

> >>

> >> Thanks in advance

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> ---------------------------------

> >>

> >> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

For some of us, even though there are protests at shots, getting

things into the kids' mouths is even harder. Not sure which way to go

about this.

Peace,

Kathy E.

On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:04 PM, haleh niazmand wrote:

> I heard that Binstock, the infamous autism researcher

> recently wrote an

> article supporting this.

> Also a friend of mine who can't afford DAN has an ASD son who was

> verbal but

> talked very little and only with prompting. Little over two months

> ago, I gave

> a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her

> son. She is

> giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told

> me that her

> son talks a lot now and is much more social.

>

> So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no

> Idea but

> very well is good enough for me.

> Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11

> year old

> son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had

> been on for

> a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots.

> So, she

> switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for

> others more

> and for some not quite as much.

>

> My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per

> day.

> My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good

> price. That

> is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

> Best,

> Haleh

>

> --- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

>

> > HI,

> >

> > On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in

> 2005 Boston

> > conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on

> GFCF

> > diet

> > and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give

> your son

> > Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as

> effective as the

> > shots

> >

> > Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but

> I did not

> > like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do

> you have any

> > more info on this?

> >

> > Thanks in advance

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>>You can give your son Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning

out to be as effective as the shots

>

> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I

did not like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good?

Do you have any more info on this?

I used mB12 orally. I gave my kids sublinguals, altho they did not

put them under the tongue, they just chewed them. But it worked very

well for my kids. I did need to give it with folic acid, and keep the

dose low, and increase the yeast protocol.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

My son is one of those.

Everything goes to his juice and the juice taste has come down to an exact

science with its formula on the fridge.

The sublinguals from Jarrow formula are yummy, reddish color and perfectly

round to Ben's liking (lol). My son gets the nasal spray and puts a little

protest everyday. we are having less fight after over three months. The

progress has been well worst this little fight. I have tested the spray on

myself. No discomfort what so ever and one less things in the tummy. Works for

me.

Best,

Haleh

--- Kathleen Eickwort <Kathleen_E@...> wrote:

> For some of us, even though there are protests at shots, getting

> things into the kids' mouths is even harder. Not sure which way to go

> about this.

>

> Peace,

> Kathy E.

> On Mar 20, 2006, at 8:04 PM, haleh niazmand wrote:

>

> > I heard that Binstock, the infamous autism researcher

> > recently wrote an

> > article supporting this.

> > Also a friend of mine who can't afford DAN has an ASD son who was

> > verbal but

> > talked very little and only with prompting. Little over two months

> > ago, I gave

> > a bottle of Jarrow's formula MB 12 5000 mcg to her to try for her

> > son. She is

> > giving a full pill to her 4.5 year old. In 5 weeks the mother told

> > me that her

> > son talks a lot now and is much more social.

> >

> > So I think they work very well. How well in comparison, I have no

> > Idea but

> > very well is good enough for me.

> > Also in a post a listmate said that during a travel she put her 11

> > year old

> > son on 10,000 mcg of MB 12 per day in place of shots which he had

> > been on for

> > a few years and she had far better result compared to the shots.

> > So, she

> > switched. My thought is that for some it is as effective and for

> > others more

> > and for some not quite as much.

> >

> > My son is on MB 12 nasal spray and we love it. He gets it twice per

> > day.

> > My vote is go for it and you can buy it at iherb.com at very good

> > price. That

> > is where I get the tablets for me and my husband.

> > Best,

> > Haleh

> >

> > --- <egerpatt@...> wrote:

> >

> > > HI,

> > >

> > > On the biomedical note, I once heard Dr. Neudrander say (in

> > 2005 Boston

> > > conference) that a 35 year old non-verbal autistic man was put on

> > GFCF

> > > diet

> > > and Methyl B 12 shots and he became conversational. You can give

> > your son

> > > Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning out to be as

> > effective as the

> > > shots

> > >

> > > Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but

> > I did not

> > > like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good? Do

> > you have any

> > > more info on this?

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance

> > >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started giving my son the sublingual, switched to the time released pills but

will be switching soon to the shots. I will update you to see which works best.

My doctor at Pfeiffer said that they prefer shots because they have trouble

absorbing B12. Not sure which works best but we have had great results with the

b12 and enzymes.

Re: introduction

>>You can give your son Methyl B 12 in a oral form as it is turning

out to be as effective as the shots

>

> Is this true? I am thinking about getting B12s for my son, but I

did not like the idea of giving him shots. Is the oral form as good?

Do you have any more info on this?

I used mB12 orally. I gave my kids sublinguals, altho they did not

put them under the tongue, they just chewed them. But it worked very

well for my kids. I did need to give it with folic acid, and keep the

dose low, and increase the yeast protocol.

Dana