Antidepressants

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> >

> >

> Taking

> > LOTS of vitamins will help with any withdrawal if you're

> experiencing it.

> > If you're not, lots of vitamins are still a good idea.

> >

> > Good luck!

> >

> > Zack

>

> Zack (or anyone else with info..)

> I'm looking toward weaning off a sleeping pill and am curious as to

> which vitamins are known to assist the body in the withdrawal and

> clearing of drugs?

==>Anita, the diet and all supplements on my program work together to

detoxify drugs and help with withdrawal symptoms. Those that are

particularly helpful include B vitamins, like Zack wrote. Also

ensure you are taking " true " niacin (B3) which, along with good fats,

vitamins A, D & E, omega 3, helps detoxify toxins/drugs.

Bee

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> >

> > Zack (or anyone else with info..)

> > I'm looking toward weaning off a sleeping pill and am curious as to

> > which vitamins are known to assist the body in the withdrawal and

> > clearing of drugs?

>

> ==>Anita, the diet and all supplements on my program work together to

> detoxify drugs and help with withdrawal symptoms. Those that are

> particularly helpful include B vitamins, like Zack wrote. Also

> ensure you are taking " true " niacin (B3) which, along with good fats,

> vitamins A, D & E, omega 3, helps detoxify toxins/drugs.

>

> Bee

Hi Bee,

I wasn't aware that niacin in particular was good for clearing out

drugs. I've been at a low dose for a long time without flushes and now

have decided to inch it up a little to get more benefit. I can see how

the supplements and fat aid the body in detoxifying drugs; how do they

help with withdrawal symptoms?

Thanks, Anita

>

[Guest guest]

>

> > >

> > > Zack (or anyone else with info..)

> > > I'm looking toward weaning off a sleeping pill and am curious

as to

> > > which vitamins are known to assist the body in the withdrawal

and

> > > clearing of drugs?

> >

> > ==>Anita, the diet and all supplements on my program work

together to

> > detoxify drugs and help with withdrawal symptoms. Those that are

> > particularly helpful include B vitamins, like Zack wrote. Also

> > ensure you are taking " true " niacin (B3) which, along with good

fats,

> > vitamins A, D & E, omega 3, helps detoxify toxins/drugs.

> >

> > Bee

>

> Hi Bee,

> I wasn't aware that niacin in particular was good for clearing out

> drugs. I've been at a low dose for a long time without flushes and

now

> have decided to inch it up a little to get more benefit. I can see

how

> the supplements and fat aid the body in detoxifying drugs; how do

they

> help with withdrawal symptoms?

==>Anita, the less toxins you have allows nutrients to do their job

much better. Also when you detoxify drugs the less the body becomes

dependent upon them.

Bee

[Guest guest]

I can't say that it was the only cause but 40mg of Paxil a day didn't do me any

good. I was a mess. My Test. was at 173 and my Thyroid was tanked. I have had a

lot of stress and not the best diet up until now. I would not recommend any SSRI

unless there is a high possibility of suicide. I am not a doctor though.

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From: Steve <slucian1@...>

Sent: Mon, December 14, 2009 7:42:49 PM

Subject: AntiDepressants

Does anybody have any first hand experience w/ antidepressants and how they

effect hormone levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and

didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to affect my

marriage. It's way too late for me to really know which problem came first, and

I'm hesitant to come off off the antidepressant because I feel good, now that

the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if I feel good.

Any Thoughts?

[Guest guest]

Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to treat *symptoms*, many of

which, as in my case, were adrenal and thyroid in nature and for 25 years I

thought I was losing my mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get off

of....docs don't tell you that..

However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low T3 and cortisol issues

and have optimized s*x hormones and are still experiencing depression, you may

need them..please check out the low T3 connection to depression...my sister

killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack of thyroid hormones...El.

[Guest guest]

band-aids and doctor's cover ups for the real issue underlying, don't get on

that long path. They work for trueley depressped people, not people with

hormonal deficiencies or imbalances.

________________________________

From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...>

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:05:18 AM

Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

 

Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to treat *symptoms*, many of

which, as in my case, were adrenal and thyroid in nature and for 25 years I

thought I was losing my mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get off

of....docs don't tell you that...

However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low T3 and cortisol issues

and have optimized s*x hormones and are still experiencing depression, you may

need them..please check out the low T3 connection to depression.. .my sister

killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack of thyroid hormones...El.

[Guest guest]

Steve when I first got sick they did some tests and all they found was low Iron

levels they put me on Iron pills and I was not feeling better. So they told me

I suffer from Major Depression I was treated for this 5 yrs never doing better.

Until they found out I had low Testosterone it's a long story read this link and

the update. I was on so many AD meds I needed to go into a Rehab Hosp. to get

off them. After this I went on TRT and was back to work in a month. Still they

got it wrong telling me I am Primary 23 yrs. later I find out I am Secondary my

Pituitary dose not work right.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Steve <slucian1@...>

> Subject: AntiDepressants

>

> Date: Monday, December 14, 2009, 8:42 PM

> Does anybody have any first hand

> experience w/ antidepressants and how they effect hormone

> levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for years,

> and didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido

> began to affect my marriage. It's way too late for me to

> really know which problem came first, and I'm hesitant to

> come off off the antidepressant because I feel good, now

> that the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with

> things if I feel good. Any Thoughts?     

>              

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very true Matt your learning about his fast have any of you guys been to Dr.

nco's forum he believes most mental problems are do to hormones and is

coming out with a new book about this that that will change how Dr.'s treat

mental problems.

http://www.definitivemind.com/

I first talked to him at a forum at Meso Men's health he came there doing

research about low testosteone for his book we helped him telling him our

story's and he helped us telling us about health problems. He is also in the

files section Hardasnails put a zip file out with all of this posts.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71@...>

> Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:21 AM

> band-aids and doctor's cover ups for

> the real issue underlying, don't get on that long path. They

> work for trueley depressped people, not people with hormonal

> deficiencies or imbalances.

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: mbmom123 <dbkczar@...>

>

> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:05:18 AM

> Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

>

>  

> Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to treat

> *symptoms*, many of which, as in my case, were adrenal and

> thyroid in nature and for 25 years I thought I was losing my

> mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get off

> of....docs don't tell you that...

>

> However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low T3

> and cortisol issues and have optimized s*x hormones and are

> still experiencing depression, you may need them..please

> check out the low T3 connection to depression.. .my sister

> killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack of

> thyroid hormones...El.

>

>

>

>

>

>      

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really think there needs to be more research into exactly what effect

antidepressants have on various body systems. For example, sexual dysfunction is

a major complaint when using these drugs. Why? Is there an effect on hormone

levels?

They usually just prescribe more drugs as an " antidote "

In my case I'll never know what my levels were before hand, because I have no

labs prior to the drugs.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:06:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

Very true Matt your learning about his fast have any of you guys been to Dr.

nco's forum he believes most mental problems are do to hormones and is

coming out with a new book about this that that will change how Dr.'s treat

mental problems.

http://www.definiti vemind.com/

I first talked to him at a forum at Meso Men's health he came there doing

research about low testosteone for his book we helped him telling him our

story's and he helped us telling us about health problems. He is also in the

files section Hardasnails put a zip file out with all of this posts.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71>

> Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:21 AM

> band-aids and doctor's cover ups for

> the real issue underlying, don't get on that long path. They

> work for trueley depressped people, not people with hormonal

> deficiencies or imbalances.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mbmom123 <dbkczargmail (DOT) com>

>

> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:05:18 AM

> Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

>

>

> Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to treat

> *symptoms*, many of which, as in my case, were adrenal and

> thyroid in nature and for 25 years I thought I was losing my

> mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get off

> of....docs don't tell you that...

>

> However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low T3

> and cortisol issues and have optimized s*x hormones and are

> still experiencing depression, you may need them..please

> check out the low T3 connection to depression.. .my sister

> killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack of

> thyroid hormones...El.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Steve, I have about twelve years w/ anti depressants, most all will lower

your libido w/ exception to wellbutrim,

and tianeptine. For me, both enhance my libido.

Wellbutrim enhances dopamine, encouraging a slight increase in

aggressiveness and perhaps a slight energy boost. Encourages anxiety some.

Helps keep weight down. Must start off very slow and up to full dose in " no

less " than two weeks.

Tianeptine, Stablon improves serotonin functioning, and is also

anti-anxiety.

And the safest and easiest to work with, getting on and off is a breeze.

But it not sold in the USA. Out of pocket, is forty bux a month, ordered

from overseas pharm. I use it to get off whatever. Can start and stop

depending on how you feel. The manufacturers will not get it licensed in

the US as then it could be made generic, and they would lose any profits.

Been around some fifteen years, and available in all other countries.

If interested in tianeptin, plz email me privately. dhallgar@...

stay well, david a

AntiDepressants

> Does anybody have any first hand experience w/ antidepressants and how

> they effect hormone levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for

> years, and didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began

> to affect my marriage. It's way too late for me to really know which

> problem came first, and I'm hesitant to come off off the antidepressant

> because I feel good, now that the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why

> mess with things if I feel good. Any Thoughts?

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I really think there needs to be more research into exactly what effect

antidepressants have on various body systems. For example, sexual dysfunction is

a major complaint when using these drugs. Why? Is there an effect on hormone

levels?

They usually just prescribe more drugs as an " antidote "

In my case I'll never know, because I have no labs prior to the drugs.

Doctors really just take the easy way out when it comes to depression. It seems

they all just want that " magic pill " . Drugs should be the last thing prescribed

when all other possibilities have been exhausted.

________________________________

From: philip georgian <pmgamer18@...>

Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 10:06:04 AM

Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

Very true Matt your learning about his fast have any of you guys been to Dr.

nco's forum he believes most mental problems are do to hormones and is

coming out with a new book about this that that will change how Dr.'s treat

mental problems.

http://www.definiti vemind.com/

I first talked to him at a forum at Meso Men's health he came there doing

research about low testosteone for his book we helped him telling him our

story's and he helped us telling us about health problems. He is also in the

files section Hardasnails put a zip file out with all of this posts.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71>

> Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:21 AM

> band-aids and doctor's cover ups for

> the real issue underlying, don't get on that long path. They

> work for trueley depressped people, not people with hormonal

> deficiencies or imbalances.

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: mbmom123 <dbkczargmail (DOT) com>

>

> Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:05:18 AM

> Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

>

>

> Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to treat

> *symptoms*, many of which, as in my case, were adrenal and

> thyroid in nature and for 25 years I thought I was losing my

> mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get off

> of....docs don't tell you that...

>

> However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low T3

> and cortisol issues and have optimized s*x hormones and are

> still experiencing depression, you may need them..please

> check out the low T3 connection to depression.. .my sister

> killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack of

> thyroid hormones...El.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Same hear I was on AD meds 5 yrs before I found out I have low T but I felt like

crap suffered from Fatigue, Anxiety, Brain Fog, Sleeping bad, and a low feeling

about my quality of life. I did not feel better until I got off the AD meds and

went on TRT. I feel in my case it was the low T all the time I had a auto

accident and got sick after that turns out from the accident I hit my head and

damaged my Pituitary gland in my brain.

I have read studys about SSRI's and low hormones but they all said when you stop

the SSRI's your levels come up mine did not.

http://www.priory.com/psych/sexdys.htm

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> > From: Matt Obrien <mattobrien71>

> > Subject: Re: Re: AntiDepressants

> >

> > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:21 AM

> > band-aids and doctor's cover ups for

> > the real issue underlying, don't get on that long

> path. They

> > work for trueley depressped people, not people with

> hormonal

> > deficiencies or imbalances.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: mbmom123 <dbkczargmail (DOT) com>

> >

> > Sent: Tue, December 15, 2009 4:05:18 AM

> > Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

> >

> >   

> > Steve, many folks are put on these types of drugs to

> treat

> > *symptoms*, many of which, as in my case, were adrenal

> and

> > thyroid in nature and for 25 years I thought I was

> losing my

> > mind; most of these drugs are very difficult to get

> off

> > of....docs don't tell you that...

> >

> > However, if you have ruled out core issues such as low

> T3

> > and cortisol issues and have optimized s*x hormones

> and are

> > still experiencing depression, you may need

> them..please

> > check out the low T3 connection to depression.. .my

> sister

> > killed herself (she was dx with *bi-polar*) for lack

> of

> > thyroid hormones...El.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >       

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Steve,

I believe my Paxil dosage definitely affects my hormone levels. We were trying

to have our second child a few years ago and thats how I found out i was

suffering from secondary hypo. My hormones and sperm count were horrible. No

wonder I was feeling irritated, depressed, and no libido. Since being on HCG

and test. cream, I feel MUCH better. Wanting to get off the ADepressants at

some point. I wish I had not started them but I had bad depression so I had

too. Hope this helps. Hank

>

> Does anybody have any first hand experience w/ antidepressants and how they

effect hormone levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and

didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to affect my

marriage. It's way too late for me to really know which problem came first, and

I'm hesitant to come off off the antidepressant because I feel good, now that

the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if I feel good.

Any Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

You might have a time of it coming off Paxil I had one hard time coming off the

crap. The only way I could reach an Orgasm on it was to stop taking it on Fri.

morning and having sex on Sun. then going back on it Mon.

You need to have a Dr. take you off this best way is slow lowing the dose a

little at a time.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: S P <maverick_2414@...>

> Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

>

> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:43 PM

> Steve,

> I believe my Paxil dosage definitely affects my hormone

> levels.  We were trying to have our second child a few

> years ago and thats how I found out i was suffering from

> secondary hypo.  My hormones and sperm count were

> horrible.  No wonder I was feeling irritated,

> depressed, and no libido.  Since being on HCG and test.

> cream, I feel MUCH better.  Wanting to get off the

> ADepressants at some point.  I wish I had not started

> them but I had bad depression so I had too.  Hope this

> helps.  Hank

>

>

> >

> > Does anybody have any first hand experience w/

> antidepressants and how they effect hormone levels? I've

> been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and didn't

> think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to

> affect my marriage. It's way too late for me to really know

> which problem came first, and I'm hesitant to come off off

> the antidepressant because I feel good, now that the

> hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if

> I feel good. Any Thoughts?

> >

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I posted this study in another post.

--

Study Verifies that BPA Causes Sexual Dysfunction in Men

Tuesday, December 15, 2009 by: Ethan Huff, citizen journalist

http://www.naturalnews.com/027736_BPA_sexual_dysfunction.html

S P wrote:

> Steve,

> I believe my Paxil dosage definitely affects my hormone levels. We were

trying to have our second child a few years ago and thats how I found out i was

suffering from secondary hypo. My hormones and sperm count were horrible. No

wonder I was feeling irritated, depressed, and no libido. Since being on HCG

and test. cream, I feel MUCH better. Wanting to get off the ADepressants at

some point. I wish I had not started them but I had bad depression so I had

too. Hope this helps. Hank

>

>

>> Does anybody have any first hand experience w/ antidepressants and how they

effect hormone levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and

didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to affect my

marriage. It's way too late for me to really know which problem came first, and

I'm hesitant to come off off the antidepressant because I feel good, now that

the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if I feel good.

Any Thoughts?

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

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[Guest guest]

It took me 18 months to get off this Paxil crap. I tried titration with

a scale that measured down to 0.001 grams, I tried L-tryptophan up to

7.5 grams a day when it was " forbidden " by the FDA since it competed

with anti-depressants, and was able to cut out some of the Paxil; I

tried a dozen other things which improve mood including some

antidepressants only available overseas, and failed and failed and failed.

Then I took a vacation one Christmas and when I got back I had somehow

not placed the Paxil back in the several rows of drugs and supplements I

was taking each day. It was about a month later that I realized I

wasn't taking the Paxil. I was still taking other " mood " stuff and was

able to get rid of them without issues. Never again do I intend to take

Paxil or anything related to it. No SSRIs for me.

Here is tip for better orgasms if an SSRI antidepressant is causing

problems, the amino acid L-Histidine seems to reverse in part or in full

the orgasmic limiting side effect of this class of antidepressants for

most people. L-Arginine may enhance the firmness as well. There is

also another drug that can improve things as well, that is Selegiline

HCI (several other names for this product). Taking it in normal doses

of 20+ mg/day in Parkinson's patients shortens lifespan, but in much

smaller doses probably increases lifespan (U shaped curve). It

increases dopamine, essential for a good orgasm.

Another tip, take a brisk walk for 45 minutes a day. That is as far as

I know from all the research I've read the best anti-depressant I know

and is effective at eliminating for most people the need for ADD type

medication as well. The second best anti-depressant cure is elimination

of wheat and anything with processed sugar including any form of corn syrup.

Steve

philip georgian wrote:

> You might have a time of it coming off Paxil I had one hard time coming off

the crap. The only way I could reach an Orgasm on it was to stop taking it on

Fri. morning and having sex on Sun. then going back on it Mon.

>

> You need to have a Dr. take you off this best way is slow lowing the dose a

little at a time.

> Co-Moderator

> Phil

>

>

>

>

>> From: S P <maverick_2414@...>

>> Subject: Re: AntiDepressants

>>

>> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 4:43 PM

>> Steve,

>> I believe my Paxil dosage definitely affects my hormone

>> levels. We were trying to have our second child a few

>> years ago and thats how I found out i was suffering from

>> secondary hypo. My hormones and sperm count were

>> horrible. No wonder I was feeling irritated,

>> depressed, and no libido. Since being on HCG and test.

>> cream, I feel MUCH better. Wanting to get off the

>> ADepressants at some point. I wish I had not started

>> them but I had bad depression so I had too. Hope this

>> helps. Hank

>>

>>

>>> Does anybody have any first hand experience w/

>> antidepressants and how they effect hormone levels? I've

>> been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and didn't

>> think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to

>> affect my marriage. It's way too late for me to really know

>> which problem came first, and I'm hesitant to come off off

>> the antidepressant because I feel good, now that the

>> hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if

>> I feel good. Any Thoughts?

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

" The Problem with Socialism is that eventually you

run out of Other People's Money. " --Margaret Thatcher

" Mistrust of Government is the Bedrock of American Patriotism "

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

[Guest guest]

Antidepressants can and do lower testosterone. You should check out the

forum SSRI Medication . There have been rat studies that prove the connection,

you can find them referenced on that forum.

>

> Does anybody have any first hand experience w/ antidepressants and how they

effect hormone levels? I've been on various antidepressant drugs for years, and

didn't think to look at hormones until my lack of libido began to affect my

marriage. It's way too late for me to really know which problem came first, and

I'm hesitant to come off off the antidepressant because I feel good, now that

the hormonal issues are being addressed. Why mess with things if I feel good.

Any Thoughts?

>

[Guest guest]

For some people treating anxiety helps quiet anxiety

triggered irritable bowel. I have not heard anyone talk

about it causing food sensitivities.

I have not heard that for " anxiety " that people get

" use " to anti-depressant doses. I have heard the

opposite that with cognitive therapy doses were lowered.

If anxiety increases than perhaps SRIs need to be increased.

Some people are on doses as high as 200mg zoloft for example.

If depression is not under control with a moderate dose increasing the dose

doesn't really help depression like it helps treat anxiety.

Sometimes increasing an SRI (like zoloft, paxil, prozac) in depressed

people makes them just more agitiated. That is when the doctors

may try adding a second medication at a low dose like Abilify.

I am not suggesting you need Abilify, it would be for very

difficult to treat depression.

Regarding children and medication: Noone I have met has wanted to

put children on medication. If the child is very aggressive and

the parents can't manage the behaviors than doctors often

persribe rispedal in a low dose.

IF the child has anxiety they may treat the anxiety if the

child resists cognitive therapy.

My daughter did rage and have outbursts and hit me. She did

all those things. And she clearly had anxiety. And having her take zoloft really

did take the edge off. It lowered her anxiety which reduced her outbursts so

much.

Having a child be emotionally stable is so critical. I don't

think too many people want to be friends with someone that has

outbursts or has very bad behavior. People acccept somewhat better a

person that talks too much about a special interest. So my view

is if his emotional issues are standing in his way of regulating

himself and behaving around people than he needs help.

Kids shouldn't be hidden away from society. And none of us

what to see kids suffer over and over in public with meltdowns

or other behavior problems. And families shouldn't have to

live with daily or weekly huge dramas. It wears a parent

down to cope with that much stress year after year.

Some kids need medication treatment. Kids that can regulate

themselves do not need medication.

Pam

>

> I've just had brain wave (in the middle of me stuggling to manage my anxiety

and depression lately). I think I might be becoming accustomed to my dose of

anti-depressant (as can happen with time).

>

> I had a theory that my meds were keeping me extremely food sensitive (to

chemicals I used to tolerate in higher doses before I got depressed years ago).

But every time I tried to wean, everything was worse - gut cramps up etc

>

> I think now it's a sign my anxiety and depression aren't under control when I

am more food sensitive (plus all the other symptoms - tired,not coping well

etc). Might need to tweak dose. Off to doctor this afternoon.

>

> I also read somewhere that rage disorder can be related to low serotonin, just

like depression is. I am reluctant to try my son on an anti-depressant, knowing

what incredibly powerful drugs they are and my son's brain is still developing.

Has anyone had long-term success with a dose of anti-depressant on a child prone

to rage episodes and anxiety etc? The rage and depression is related for us,

because the food chemicals that give me depression make him fly into rage.

>

> He has an EEG (food provoked by additives) because some chemically-triggered

rage episodes are like seizures

>

> Miranda

>

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I get irritable bowel from eating foods rich in histamines. Only recently I

learnt that there are neurotransmittors in the gut as well as the brain. Also

get extremely bad withdrawal if forget my meds - horrific gut spasms etc. Got

brain zaps on some meds. I tried several times to wean off and my food

sensitivity thresholds dropped.

The main source of my depressive and anxiety disorders was years of undiagnosed

worsening autoimmune disease. My body is quite damaged now.

Doctor has increased my dose of antidepressant - I have had a lot of extra

stress last 4 or so months. I have concerns about long-term use of drugs, but I

seem to need combination of drugs and diet. Unfortunately I can't remove all

stress from my life (I have an AS child that is very hard work).

Doctor shares my concern with putting a child on meds - recommends to delay as

much as possible - at moment we are managing him okay with diet and therapy.

Leave the drugs as later option if he needs them.

Miranda

> >

> > I've just had brain wave (in the middle of me stuggling to manage my anxiety

and depression lately). I think I might be becoming accustomed to my dose of

anti-depressant (as can happen with time).

> >

> > I had a theory that my meds were keeping me extremely food sensitive (to

chemicals I used to tolerate in higher doses before I got depressed years ago).

But every time I tried to wean, everything was worse - gut cramps up etc

> >

> > I think now it's a sign my anxiety and depression aren't under control when

I am more food sensitive (plus all the other symptoms - tired,not coping well

etc). Might need to tweak dose. Off to doctor this afternoon.

> >

> > I also read somewhere that rage disorder can be related to low serotonin,

just like depression is. I am reluctant to try my son on an anti-depressant,

knowing what incredibly powerful drugs they are and my son's brain is still

developing. Has anyone had long-term success with a dose of anti-depressant on

a child prone to rage episodes and anxiety etc? The rage and depression is

related for us, because the food chemicals that give me depression make him fly

into rage.

> >

> > He has an EEG (food provoked by additives) because some chemically-triggered

rage episodes are like seizures

> >

> > Miranda

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Pam,

You said it all so nicely .....well put! I agree with you 100%! My son is on medication and it helps. Medication is not the end to all...but without it he can't concentrate in school. He is 14 and realizes when he is anxious and will ask to take his medication for that. It helps him go places he normally would not go.

We just had a spell a few weeks ago. He would not go to school. He was having bowl problems and then was terrified of having to go in school. He was home for 4 1/2 days. We finally got him back in school. He went back on his anxiety medication for a while and now has worked himself off.

I am not promoting it....but for my son it is a Godsend. The few friends he has can tell the difference in him when he has not taken his medication. In fact, they tell him to go take it!

Jan

"In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert Einstein

From: Pamela <susanonderko@...> Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 10:49:11 PMSubject: ( ) Re: antidepressants

For some people treating anxiety helps quiet anxietytriggered irritable bowel. I have not heard anyone talk about it causing food sensitivities. I have not heard that for "anxiety" that people get "use" to anti-depressant doses. I have heard the opposite that with cognitive therapy doses were lowered. If anxiety increases than perhaps SRIs need to be increased.Some people are on doses as high as 200mg zoloft for example.If depression is not under control with a moderate dose increasing the dose doesn't really help depression like it helps treat anxiety. Sometimes increasing an SRI (like zoloft, paxil, prozac) in depressedpeople makes them just more agitiated. That is when the doctorsmay try adding a second medication at a low dose like Abilify.I am not suggesting you need Abilify, it would be for verydifficult to treat depression. Regarding children and medication: Noone I have met has

wanted to put children on medication. If the child is very aggressive and the parents can't manage the behaviors than doctors oftenpersribe rispedal in a low dose. IF the child has anxiety they may treat the anxiety if the child resists cognitive therapy. My daughter did rage and have outbursts and hit me. She did all those things. And she clearly had anxiety. And having her take zoloft really did take the edge off. It lowered her anxiety which reduced her outbursts so much. Having a child be emotionally stable is so critical. I don'tthink too many people want to be friends with someone that hasoutbursts or has very bad behavior. People acccept somewhat better a person that talks too much about a special interest. So my viewis if his emotional issues are standing in his way of regulating himself and behaving around people than he needs help. Kids shouldn't be hidden away from society.

And none of uswhat to see kids suffer over and over in public with meltdownsor other behavior problems. And families shouldn't have to live with daily or weekly huge dramas. It wears a parent down to cope with that much stress year after year.Some kids need medication treatment. Kids that can regulatethemselves do not need medication. Pam >> I've just had brain wave (in the middle of me stuggling to manage my anxiety and depression lately). I think I might be becoming accustomed to my dose of anti-depressant (as can happen with time). > > I had a theory that my meds were keeping me extremely food sensitive (to chemicals I used to tolerate in higher doses before

I got depressed years ago). But every time I tried to wean, everything was worse - gut cramps up etc> > I think now it's a sign my anxiety and depression aren't under control when I am more food sensitive (plus all the other symptoms - tired,not coping well etc). Might need to tweak dose. Off to doctor this afternoon. > > I also read somewhere that rage disorder can be related to low serotonin, just like depression is. I am reluctant to try my son on an anti-depressant, knowing what incredibly powerful drugs they are and my son's brain is still developing. Has anyone had long-term success with a dose of anti-depressant on a child prone to rage episodes and anxiety etc? The rage and depression is related for us, because the food chemicals that give me depression make him fly into rage. > > He has an EEG (food provoked by additives) because some chemically-triggered rage episodes are like seizures> >

Miranda>

[Guest guest]

My son is also on medication. Without zoloft, he can hardly eat even the things he likes. He also has trouble getting out of the house. He takes Strattera for his ADHD and it works wonders.Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®From: rushen janice <jrushen@...>Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 05:48:34 -0700 (PDT)< >Subject: Re: ( ) Re: antidepressants Pam, You said it all so nicely .....well put! I agree with you 100%! My son is on medication and it helps. Medication is not the end to all...but without it he can't concentrate in school. He is 14 and realizes when he is anxious and will ask to take his medication for that. It helps him go places he normally would not go. We just had a spell a few weeks ago. He would not go to school. He was having bowl problems and then was terrified of having to go in school. He was home for 4 1/2 days. We finally got him back in school. He went back on his anxiety medication for a while and now has worked himself off. I am not promoting it....but for my son it is a Godsend. The few friends he has can tell the difference in him when he has not taken his medication. In fact, they tell him to go take it! Jan "In the Midst of Difficulty lies Opportunity" Albert EinsteinFrom: Pamela <susanonderko > Sent: Fri, June 11, 2010 10:49:11 PMSubject: ( ) Re: antidepressants For some people treating anxiety helps quiet anxietytriggered irritable bowel. I have not heard anyone talk about it causing food sensitivities. I have not heard that for "anxiety" that people get "use" to anti-depressant doses. I have heard the opposite that with cognitive therapy doses were lowered. If anxiety increases than perhaps SRIs need to be increased.Some people are on doses as high as 200mg zoloft for example.If depression is not under control with a moderate dose increasing the dose doesn't really help depression like it helps treat anxiety. Sometimes increasing an SRI (like zoloft, paxil, prozac) in depressedpeople makes them just more agitiated. That is when the doctorsmay try adding a second medication at a low dose like Abilify.I am not suggesting you need Abilify, it would be for verydifficult to treat depression. Regarding children and medication: Noone I have met haswanted to put children on medication. If the child is very aggressive and the parents can't manage the behaviors than doctors oftenpersribe rispedal in a low dose. IF the child has anxiety they may treat the anxiety if the child resists cognitive therapy. My daughter did rage and have outbursts and hit me. She did all those things. And she clearly had anxiety. And having her take zoloft really did take the edge off. It lowered her anxiety which reduced her outbursts so much. Having a child be emotionally stable is so critical. I don'tthink too many people want to be friends with someone that hasoutbursts or has very bad behavior. People acccept somewhat better a person that talks too much about a special interest. So my viewis if his emotional issues are standing in his way of regulating himself and behaving around people than he needs help. Kids shouldn't be hidden away from society.And none of uswhat to see kids suffer over and over in public with meltdownsor other behavior problems. And families shouldn't have to live with daily or weekly huge dramas. It wears a parent down to cope with that much stress year after year.Some kids need medication treatment. Kids that can regulatethemselves do not need medication. Pam >> I've just had brain wave (in the middle of me stuggling to manage my anxiety and depression lately). I think I might be becoming accustomed to my dose of anti-depressant (as can happen with time). > > I had a theory that my meds were keeping me extremely food sensitive (to chemicals I used to tolerate in higher doses beforeI got depressed years ago). But every time I tried to wean, everything was worse - gut cramps up etc> > I think now it's a sign my anxiety and depression aren't under control when I am more food sensitive (plus all the other symptoms - tired,not coping well etc). Might need to tweak dose. Off to doctor this afternoon. > > I also read somewhere that rage disorder can be related to low serotonin, just like depression is. I am reluctant to try my son on an anti-depressant, knowing what incredibly powerful drugs they are and my son's brain is still developing. Has anyone had long-term success with a dose of anti-depressant on a child prone to rage episodes and anxiety etc? The rage and depression is related for us, because the food chemicals that give me depression make him fly into rage. > > He has an EEG (food provoked by additives) because some chemically-triggered rage episodes are like seizures> >Miranda>

[Guest guest]

I does wear us down (and I have a complicated history of health problems from

years of undiagnosed autoimmune disease etc). I could do with a lot less stress

in my life.

He does have a lot of problems regulating himself - extremely easily frustrated

and flies off handle - worse with additives, but also affected badly by some

natural chemicals in " healthy " foods.

I am considering meds after initially being resistant (because of concerns of

unknown effects on his developing brain). But I suppose one has to weigh up the

other effects (eg social & psychological development). He has just turned 7

years.

I would appreciate people's experiences - I suspect he will respond to an SSRI,

given our reactions to the same chemicals (him with moody rage and me with

depression).

Miranda

> So my view

> is if his emotional issues are standing in his way of regulating

> himself and behaving around people than he needs help.

> It wears a parent

> down to cope with that much stress year after year.

> Some kids need medication treatment. Kids that can regulate

> themselves do not need medication.

>

>

> Pam

>

[Guest guest]

I waited until my daughter was 12 before trying ssri for

exactly the same reasons. However, looking back, I wish I would have started

earlier. It has made situations more tolerable for her. and I feel that the

excess anxiety and newly present ocd is a result of years of putting up with too

much, that if we had started the meds sooner she would have been better off. Best

of luck.

Regards, melody

[Guest guest]

We had to wait until she was 11. Part of the problem is that

doctors are conservative and that is good for sure. Doctors

want to see that the parents have tried shaping behavior therapy

and other methods to get self regulation under control.

I enjoyed reading Dr. Greenspan's book called " Engaging

Autism " . In it he says kids by kindergarten have learned

more or less to regulate their emotions. So perhaps

doctors wait awhile longer and see what happens in

emotional development. You can try " Floortime " methods by Greenspan to help

teach regulation skills. It won't hurt and they need these

skills even if they need medication sooner or later. My daughter

was so highly anxious that any engagement on my part triggered

more obsessing and wanting me to join in her perfectionizing.

I cringe at how much she suffered but noone has a crystal ball

to read which children get better without medication

for those that don't it becomes obvious sooner or later.

Pam

>

> I waited until my daughter was 12 before trying ssri for exactly the same

> reasons. However, looking back, I wish I would have started earlier. It

> has made situations more tolerable for her. and I feel that the excess

> anxiety and newly present ocd is a result of years of putting up with too

> much, that if we had started the meds sooner she would have been better off.

> Best of luck.

>

>

>

> Regards, melody

>

[Guest guest]

my son is not suffering from clinical depression or an anxiety disorder at this

stage, does have difficulty regulating and has an anxious, obsessive compulsive

temperament.

He is having social skills & anger mgmt training. He has been improving in

trying to gain control of his rage. Is doing really well. Also school hasn't

put his accommodations into place yet, so that should make a difference.

We are trying to discourage his perfectionism, but avoiding criticism etc.

Miranda

> >

> > I waited until my daughter was 12 before trying ssri for exactly the same

> > reasons. However, looking back, I wish I would have started earlier. It

> > has made situations more tolerable for her. and I feel that the excess

> > anxiety and newly present ocd is a result of years of putting up with too

> > much, that if we had started the meds sooner she would have been better off.

> > Best of luck.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards, melody

> >

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