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Again, I'm not impaired by these drugs, not in the least. They do not

knock you on your butt after long term use (at the initial dosage that is,

trouble comes form those who up the ante.)

In a message dated 9/7/2011 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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Who decides whether one is impaired or not? Someone

feeling no pain because of the use of heavy narcotics?

Whether it is alcohol use or drug use (legal or illegal), users

should not be driving on the highways. You are talking to someone who

lost a very good friend's 20 year old son to a driving drug user 88 days

ago.

Re: surgery

Which hip did you have done, and what approach? (I seriously can't

imagine four days, let alone four weeks without driving!)

In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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My hip doctor says I can drive in 4 weeks.

Gayle

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I just read that there was a 68 year old woman with absolutely no criminal

record and was not an alcoholic, accidently ran down and killed an 11 year

old child near a school in Fairbanks AK. She had two of her grandchildren in

the car. She was on several meds, and had taken them prior to leaving the

house that morning. She said that she felt no different than she does any

other day, but that day she hit the gas pedal instead of the brake. She was

sent to jail with a $500,000 bail. On the other hand another woman in

Anchorage with several DUI's, a suspended license, and various other arrests

drove her vehicle into another car while drunk and drugged and killed a

passenger with only $100,000 bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive while

taking these meds. One distraction and your response times may not be

adequate enough to prevent a serious accident. I can't tell you how many

people I know get behind the wheel after having a couple cocktails thinking

they 'feel fine' but in all reality they are legally intoxicated. The issue

is all about how quickly you respond if you are distracted, not whether or

not you are so out of it you can't drive. Even if you had a hamburger, fries

and a soda in your lap and you're trying to eat and drive, you could become

distracted enough to make the same mistakes. Oh and don't get me started

about the people who are on their cell phones, or the ones screaming at

their kids in the back seat and not even looking at the road!

Okay I'll get down off my soapbox now and yes I feel better! :)

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> Who decides whether one is impaired or not? Someone

> feeling no pain because of the use of heavy narcotics?

> Whether it is alcohol use or drug use (legal or illegal), users

> should not be driving on the highways. You are talking to someone who

> lost a very good friend's 20 year old son to a driving drug user 88 days

> ago.

>

> Re: surgery

>

> Which hip did you have done, and what approach? (I seriously can't

> imagine four days, let alone four weeks without driving!)

>

> In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> chgayle@... writes:

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> My hip doctor says I can drive in 4 weeks.

> Gayle

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i always that one has to keep " raising the ante " if rhey want to overcome

tolerance and keep on getting the same level of pain relief that they were

accustomed to on a prior lesser dose of that same medication.

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> Again, I'm not impaired by these drugs, not in the least. They do not

> knock you on your butt after long term use (at the initial dosage that is,

> trouble comes form those who up the ante.)

>

>

> In a message dated 9/7/2011 11:53:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> barbmch@... writes:

>

> Who decides whether one is impaired or not? Someone

> feeling no pain because of the use of heavy narcotics?

> Whether it is alcohol use or drug use (legal or illegal), users

> should not be driving on the highways. You are talking to someone who

> lost a very good friend's 20 year old son to a driving drug user 88 days

> ago.

>

>

>

> Re: surgery

>

> Which hip did you have done, and what approach? (I seriously can't

> imagine four days, let alone four weeks without driving!)

>

>

> In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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texting is even worse than talking on the phone.......

Re: surgery

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> Which hip did you have done, and what approach? (I seriously can't

> imagine four days, let alone four weeks without driving!)

>

> In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:25:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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and I guess some of us think that maybe the law is too lenient in

areas of drug usage. and driving......

Re: surgery

Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:25:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

goddessrenee@... writes:

bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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maybe I am being too vocal in this non-topic area.....

but trying to console a friend after losing his 20 year

old son makes one think twice about the condition

some people are in while driving......

Re: surgery

Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:25:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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Hasn't happened here. The dosage has remained the same for a long time

now. I think the real reason for " upping " is more psychological dependency

issues, and I seem to have been born without the " additive " gene.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 3:29:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

leecaroler@... writes:

i always that one has to keep " raising the ante " if rhey want to

overcome tolerance and keep on getting the same level of pain relief that they

were accustomed to on a prior lesser dose of that same medication.

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And I guess some think they know how drugs affect other people.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 3:58:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

barbmch@... writes:

and I guess some of us think that maybe the law is too lenient in

areas of drug usage. and driving......

Re: surgery

Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:25:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

goddessrenee@... writes:

bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you

actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive

while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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And AGAIN, I have no side effects from these medications OR I'd not be

taking them, period.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 3:59:55 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

barbmch@... writes:

maybe I am being too vocal in this non-topic area.....

but trying to console a friend after losing his 20 year

old son makes one think twice about the condition

some people are in while driving......

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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 3:51 PM

Subject: Re: surgery

Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

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goddessrenee@... writes:

bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you

actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive

while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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I am not talking about you personally.....

Re: surgery

Again, this IS my area of expertise, and again, I do not have any driving

restrictions per my physician while taking them.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 1:25:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

goddessrenee@... writes:

bail. The problem with choosing to take pain

meds and go behind the wheel is that the pain meds convince you that you

'feel fine'. If you've been taking them for any length of time you

actually

build up a tolerance so that you feel very little pain. This is why there

are warnings on the meds and our physicians also warn us not to drive

while

taking these meds. One distraction and

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LOL With my hips I have no balance left. Me on a straight line is not

possible. I am in trouble!!!!!!!!

Gayle Calif.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 9:38:49 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

jarcher107@... writes:

Copes need wither a roadblock OR a valid reason for stopping you in the

first place, and then a reason to suspect you are impaired by drugs or

alcohol.

In a message dated 9/7/2011 9:51:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

leecaroler@... writes:

i guess if they only can do a some sort of balnce or ambulation or

Walking over cones test to determine if one is impaired or not and one

tests

fine then that is where they must stop?

Do you mean that if the person does not show as impaired for driving

they could not legally do a breatalyzer or blood or urine test. How

does

this legal order of rights work in most states? In your state.

L

--- In Joint Replacement , jarcher107@... wrote:

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> I " m retired criminal defense attorney, and if you are taking

prescribed

> meds at a prescribed dosage and your driving is not impaired, nothing

they

> can do to you. Again...after you take things like Oxycontin for a

while,

> you simply are able to function normally with them, despite being

knocked on

> your butt at the beginning.

>

>

> In a message dated 9/7/2011 7:06:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> kell_joan@... writes:

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> I agree with . In New York and North Yorkshire you would be

busted

> but good!

> Joan

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> From: " maryanne.waspe1@... " <maryanne.waspe1@...>

> Joint Replacement

> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 7:12 AM

> Subject: Re: surgery

>

>

>

> Don't kid yourself, why do the police stop and test people for drugs,

> whether you use them legally or illegally they are still in your

system.

>

>

>

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> -- Re: surgery

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> Which hip did you have done, and what approach? (I seriously

can't

> imagine four days, let alone four weeks without driving!)

>

>

> In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:54:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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> My hip doctor says I can drive in 4 weeks.

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I was wondering why at pre-op PT, there were folks practicing walking a

straight line!

In a message dated 9/8/2011 2:05:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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LOL With my hips I have no balance left. Me on a straight line is not

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A skill that has been lost by many LOL

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I was wondering why at pre-op PT, there were folks practicing walking a

straight line!

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LOL With my hips I have no balance left. Me on a straight line is not

possible. I am in trouble!!!!!!!!

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My PT this past era between hip post op and knee preop had involved a lot of

walking sideways and forwards over cones (like they use on highway roadwork)

placed in a straight line. theybstared out as short and got higher. One other

patient (a cop) saw my first frightened attempt end success and claapped loudly

for me saying i just pased a road test of some sort.

He was joking of course but my attempt that ealy time made me feel like i had

incurred a stroke on my right side or as if i had some sort of palsy because of

the way i could not control the up and down smoothness of that leg and f.oot

L

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> A skill that has been lost by many LOL

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Ha i am now in knee POST op and having to start back with some very itty

bitty ones again plus " some degree " of balance safety support factor allowed

as always.

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My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right movement. I

am hoping that hip surgery fixes the pain issue.

Gayle Calif.

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My PT this past era between hip post op and knee preop had involved a

lot of

walking sideways and forwards over cones (like they use on highway

roadwork) placed in a straight line. theybstared out as short and got

higher.

One other patient (a cop) saw my first frightened attempt end success and

claapped loudly for me saying i just pased a road test of some sort.

He was joking of course but my attempt that ealy time made me feel like i

had incurred a stroke on my right side or as if i had some sort of palsy

because of the way i could not control the up and down smoothness of that leg

and f.oot

L

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> chgayle@... writes:

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I cannot do any lateral movement at all, everything is simply locked in

place. There was nothing the physical therapists could do about that one.

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My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right movement.

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How awful, I am able to move with pain meds, so I guess I am lucky. Are

both your hips limited in movement?

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I cannot do any lateral movement at all, everything is simply locked in

place. There was nothing the physical therapists could do about that one.

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My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right movement.

I

am hoping that hip surgery fixes the pain issue.

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Only to the side, oddly enough I can still high kick fore and aft.

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How awful, I am able to move with pain meds, so I guess I am lucky. Are

both your hips limited in movement?

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I cannot do any lateral movement at all, everything is simply locked in

place. There was nothing the physical therapists could do about that

one.

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My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right movement.

I

am hoping that hip surgery fixes the pain issue.

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if i dared to sit for even a moment at the bank or at someones house even in my

car my hip would be sure to lock me in that place with my hip unable to

unlock my leg out of that sitting position. In defeat I would embarrasingly

have to try to undo the lockup but most always failed (untillater when got home)

and tohus had to call my husband to often to come and rescue me if i drove

somewhere that first week and very soon had to quit driving altogether until

the allowed 6 weeks time period after my urgent THR.

L

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So you were driving the first week, but dealing with a hip lockup? just

trying to be sure i understand.

I'm not hppy bout being unable to drive for any period of time during

hurricane season, and may go with y left hip first for that reason..seems to me

with an automatic, the left leg surgery would put you back behind the hweel

a lot faster than right hip/

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if i dared to sit for even a moment at the bank or at someones house even

in my car my hip would be sure to lock me in that place with my hip

unable to unlock my leg out of that sitting position. In defeat I would

embarrasingly have to try to undo the lockup but most always failed

(untillater when got home) and tohus had to call my husband to often to come

and

rescue me if i drove somewhere that first week and very soon had to

quit driving altogether until the allowed 6 weeks time period after my

urgent THR.

L

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> I cannot do any lateral movement at all, everything is simply locked in

> place. There was nothing the physical therapists could do about that

one.

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> chgayle@... writes:

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> My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right

movement.

> I

> am hoping that hip surgery fixes the pain issue.

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By first week I meant first week of new first time dilema (still thinking it

was just as always my knee causing me to have a knew hip/knee problem. Because

never had anyone found me to have a hip problem-- so i went to have a

consultation about my now urgent knee problem and was shocked to no end when my

statement nit to bother with hip xrays was overturned and my hip wasvsaid to

need being fixed

BEFORE the knee.

My rt hip and rt knee bad lock up combo went into full action at the curb as i

tried to get out of car the morning of surgery and i think in recall going into

the ER still holding knee bent unable to unlock it to flat leg position. But

to myndelight all was fine when i came out od surgery with new hip no longer

playing bad games on me. Never since the new rt hip (18 mos post THR) has

my old or new rt knee or new hip locked itself or even threatened to do so.

Happy for that and so you have good days to look forward to too after you

surgeries.

L

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> one.

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Ahh..thanks! I was wondering...:).

In a message dated 9/9/2011 9:31:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

leecaroler@... writes:

By first week I meant first week of new first time dilema (still

thinking it was just as always my knee causing me to have a knew hip/knee

problem. Because never had anyone found me to have a hip problem-- so i went

to

have a consultation about my now urgent knee problem and was shocked to no

end when my statement nit to bother with hip xrays was overturned and my

hip wasvsaid to need being fixed

BEFORE the knee.

My rt hip and rt knee bad lock up combo went into full action at the curb

as i tried to get out of car the morning of surgery and i think in recall

going into the ER still holding knee bent unable to unlock it to flat leg

position. But to myndelight all was fine when i came out od surgery

with new hip no longer playing bad games on me. Never since the new rt

hip (18 mos post THR) has my old or new rt knee or new hip locked itself

or even threatened to do so. Happy for that and so you have good days to

look forward to too after you surgeries.

L

> >

> > I cannot do any lateral movement at all, everything is simply locked

in

> > place. There was nothing the physical therapists could do about that

> one.

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 9/9/2011 5:47:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> > chgayle@ writes:

> >

> > My hips are so painful I have a hard time with any left right

> movement.

> > I

> > am hoping that hip surgery fixes the pain issue.

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Okay, one of those things that is NOW funny. I had the pre op person

obviously trying to find out if I have cardiac issues, asking about climbing

staris and getting short of breath/having chest pains...she finally got to

" Can you walk to your mailbox without getting short of breath? " and I had to

laugh..told her the truth, it';s a MILE ot my mailbox fro my house and

ahem..I've got two bad hips, I can't WALK that far, PERIOD, but it's my hips not

my heart.

She still didn't get it.

She also didn't believe me when I said we'd just fliip a coin as to which

hip was being done.

In a message dated 9/9/2011 9:47:06 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

leecaroler@... writes:

I had to get a cardiac stress test a few days before surgery date and as

again luck was running my knees and hip got all locked up as i

attempted to leave the car so i had to ride my mobility cart in and work my way

onto the table (very gingerly) and lay on the hospital table taking the iV

induced cardiac stress test with my rt knee stuck up near my face and

telling everone not to dare try to move me. Let me do the moving my way if

need be or i might scream. lol (nottt Lol)

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