clindamycin

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Hi Chrys,

Yes, you take the oral clindamycin in a single dose of 1200mg, once a week,

preferably on a day you're not taking minocycline or doxycycline. The starting

dose is for minocycline/doxycycline, not for clindamycin. You just take the

1200mg once a week from the start.

Clindamycin is the drug name. The brand name here is Cleocin, Dalacin C. You

just refer to it as clindamycin and it's the same name whether it's the infusion

for IV or IM or the oral form. I have the manufacturer on some IV bags at home

but can't remember at the moment (I'm at work).

You continue with the once a week dose of clindamycin until symptoms reverse and

blood work comes down to normal. Then if all continues OK, you can then

discontinue the clindamycin and remain on the oral minocycline or doxycycline.

I have seen many people do very well on minocycline/doxycycline and the oral

clindamycin.

Chris.

I have some questions regarding the Clindamycin. I'll be taking it

orally, and I believe that the dose is 1200 mg once a week. I vaguely

remember reading something about a starting dose - is that right? Also,

how long does the once a week dose continue? I'm assuming Clindamycin

is a generic name. Is there a different name for the drug in oral

form? Does anyone know who the manufacturer is? I'd love to hear

personally from anyone who is taking the drug orally. Please let me

know about your experiences.

Good health to all,

Chrys

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Dear Lor,

Hope this finds you & yours well & feeling healthy & happy!

Just a quick note to let you know she's herxing on clindamycin - YIPPEE!

(Isn't it strange, the things that make us happy? LOL!) I KNEW she needed a

different abx! (She's staying on doxy, too, just incase it helps with the

ehrylichia.)

INTERESTING NOTE: One of the most " curious " herxes she's had are the

" zinger " pains deep in her right ear. Wonder if this abx has something

particular to do with ears & perhaps combo of this & quinine may have been

too much for your system - or who knows what... (She's never had ear

problems - a couple of minor earaches as a young child - nothing out of

ordinary.)

Herxs are not severe & if they become that way, we'll back off meds -

although she'd prefer to tough it out & just kill the damned things, seems to

me I read somewhere that this is not a good approach, as toxins can be very

harmful (perhaps if it gets too bad).

Drinking " detox AM " tea (Celestial Seasonings - 900 mg milk thistle, red

clover & dandeloin - the last 2 are blood purifiers - I can't stay awake all

day without a cup in the am), doing the very hot, steamy baths (to detox) &

chiro added in SUPER powered anti-oxidant, which he is hopeful will " munch up

the toxins from herx. "

Also will run the detox frequency (10,000) on Rife to try to help her through

this...

When are you gals getting your machine? I'm very excited for you! VBG!

Have joined Rife email list - very mail intensive & I don't understand a lot

of what they're talking about, but am hopeful to learn a bit by ploughing

through all the info. VBG! (MAny lymies there, it seems... Big surprise,

right? LOL!)

Blessings & velcros,

Chris

[Guest guest]

Hi

Thank Janene as that is a well put article.

I think the addition of clindamycin can really boostthe protocol

around. It did in my own case.

Love

Marge

-- In rheumatic@y..., " and Chas Adlard " <cadlard@c...> wrote:

> Hi group,

>

> In the light of the recent discussions about IV clindamycin and how

some doctors

> hesitate to prescribe it, thought you might like to read the

following short

> article which my daughter Janene wrote for our web page - it's at

rheumatic.org/cdiff.htm.

> Janene is the technical manager of the AIDS laboratory in our state

and has

> multi-displinary laboratory experience - she used to do the tests

for c. difficile

> at one time.

>

> Chris.

>

> WHY YOUR DOCTOR MIGHT BE RELUCTANT TO PRESCRIBE CLINDAMYCIN

>

> I wanted to write some brief notes on why doctors may be hesitant

to prescribe

> Clindamycin and why they might say it's dangerous. The main point I

would like

> to make is that it is NOT dangerous when taken in the prescribed

manner as referred

> to in the antibiotic protocol. Dr Brown in the many years he

treated patients

> did not see one case of C.difficile colitis.

>

> Patients taking antibiotics are at risk of becoming infected with a

bacterium

> called Clostridium difficile. Antibiotics disrupt the normal

bacteria of the

> bowel sometimes allowing the C.difficile bacteria to establish

itself instead.

> The exo-toxin produced by the C.difficile causes diarrhoea,

abdominal pain,

> fever, vomiting, dehydration etc.

>

> Clostridium difficile itself is extremely common in the

environment. It can

> be found growing in soil, water, decomposing plant and animal

material. It can

> also be found on furniture, toilet seats etc.

>

> The condition is often called Antibiotic-Associated Colitis or

Pseudomembraneous

> Colitis. Clindamycin has been widely recognised as causing this

condition but

> many other prescribed antibiotics have also been implicated. It can

be very

> serious but antibiotics are extremely important medications to help

fight infections.

> C.difficile colitis should not discourage the appropriate use of

antibiotics.

> Many antibiotics can cause C.difficile infection and all should be

used as prescribed

> (as per the protocol).

>

> Acidophilus preparations can help keep Clostridium difficile at

bay. By recolonising

> the bowel with " healthy " bacteria, the growth of C.difficile is

inhibited.

>

>

> Imagine how many billions of bacteria live in a healthy colon. Soon

after you

> swallow your acidophilus capsule those bacteria begin to replicate,

and during

> log phase, some bacteria double every twenty minutes. Just

imagine... if this

> rate was maintained for 24 hours, the progeny of a SINGLE bacterial

cell would

> be about 1 x 10 (to the power of 21)

> ie. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

> This would have a mass of approximately four thousand tons !

>

> Of course the conditions in anybody's colon would never permit such

a rate of

> multiplication for more than a short time, generally because of an

insufficiency

> of nutrients. However the acidophilus bacteria do replicate and

help recolonise

> the colon.

>

> If ever a C.difficile infection is suspected, a stool (faeces)

sample is collected

> and tested for the bacteria and/or its toxins. Your doctor will

need to fill

> out a request form for the analysis to be performed.

>

> This information is intended to help you to understand why the

doctors might

> say it is dangerous. So, when asking for a prescription for

Clindamycin and

> your doctor says that it's dangerous, you can respond by saying

that Dr. Brown

> in all his years of treating patients didn't see one case !

[Guest guest]

Hi and Chas,

Thanks from me, too. I always learn such good things from this board.

I was just thinking about asking my doc about clindamycin. Your

answer came just in time.

Pat

> > Hi group,

> >

> > In the light of the recent discussions about IV clindamycin and

how

> some doctors

> > hesitate to prescribe it, thought you might like to read the

> following short

> > article which my daughter Janene wrote for our web page - it's at

> rheumatic.org/cdiff.htm.

> > Janene is the technical manager of the AIDS laboratory in our

state

> and has

> > multi-displinary laboratory experience - she used to do the tests

> for c. difficile

> > at one time.

> >

> > Chris.

> >

> > WHY YOUR DOCTOR MIGHT BE RELUCTANT TO PRESCRIBE CLINDAMYCIN

> >

> > I wanted to write some brief notes on why doctors may be hesitant

> to prescribe

> > Clindamycin and why they might say it's dangerous. The main point

I

> would like

> > to make is that it is NOT dangerous when taken in the prescribed

> manner as referred

> > to in the antibiotic protocol. Dr Brown in the many years he

> treated patients

> > did not see one case of C.difficile colitis.

> >

> > Patients taking antibiotics are at risk of becoming infected with

a

> bacterium

> > called Clostridium difficile. Antibiotics disrupt the normal

> bacteria of the

> > bowel sometimes allowing the C.difficile bacteria to establish

> itself instead.

> > The exo-toxin produced by the C.difficile causes diarrhoea,

> abdominal pain,

> > fever, vomiting, dehydration etc.

> >

> > Clostridium difficile itself is extremely common in the

> environment. It can

> > be found growing in soil, water, decomposing plant and animal

> material. It can

> > also be found on furniture, toilet seats etc.

> >

> > The condition is often called Antibiotic-Associated Colitis or

> Pseudomembraneous

> > Colitis. Clindamycin has been widely recognised as causing this

> condition but

> > many other prescribed antibiotics have also been implicated. It

can

> be very

> > serious but antibiotics are extremely important medications to

help

> fight infections.

> > C.difficile colitis should not discourage the appropriate use of

> antibiotics.

> > Many antibiotics can cause C.difficile infection and all should

be

> used as prescribed

> > (as per the protocol).

> >

> > Acidophilus preparations can help keep Clostridium difficile at

> bay. By recolonising

> > the bowel with " healthy " bacteria, the growth of C.difficile is

> inhibited.

> >

> >

> > Imagine how many billions of bacteria live in a healthy colon.

Soon

> after you

> > swallow your acidophilus capsule those bacteria begin to

replicate,

> and during

> > log phase, some bacteria double every twenty minutes. Just

> imagine... if this

> > rate was maintained for 24 hours, the progeny of a SINGLE

bacterial

> cell would

> > be about 1 x 10 (to the power of 21)

> > ie. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

> > This would have a mass of approximately four thousand tons !

> >

> > Of course the conditions in anybody's colon would never permit

such

> a rate of

> > multiplication for more than a short time, generally because of

an

> insufficiency

> > of nutrients. However the acidophilus bacteria do replicate and

> help recolonise

> > the colon.

> >

> > If ever a C.difficile infection is suspected, a stool (faeces)

> sample is collected

> > and tested for the bacteria and/or its toxins. Your doctor will

> need to fill

> > out a request form for the analysis to be performed.

> >

> > This information is intended to help you to understand why the

> doctors might

> > say it is dangerous. So, when asking for a prescription for

> Clindamycin and

> > your doctor says that it's dangerous, you can respond by saying

> that Dr. Brown

> > in all his years of treating patients didn't see one case !

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

When I took Skip to see Dr. Sinnot a couple of years ago I asked if he had ever had a patient contract C. difficile. He told me that in 22 years of using the protocol he had not had even one patient get it. He said if the IV's are given too close together it could happen but if it is given properly that it's not a problem. Evidently he has done it right for 22 years -- and still is. He's quite a Dr. and human being and it was our privilege to meet him.

Denny and Skip

rheumatic Re: Clindamycin

Hi and Chas,Thanks from me, too. I always learn such good things from this board.I was just thinking about asking my doc about clindamycin. Your answer came just in time. Pat> > Hi group,> > > > In the light of the recent discussions about IV clindamycin and how > some doctors> > hesitate to prescribe it, thought you might like to read the > following short> > article which my daughter Janene wrote for our web page - it's at > rheumatic.org/cdiff.htm.> > Janene is the technical manager of the AIDS laboratory in our state > and has> > multi-displinary laboratory experience - she used to do the tests > for c. difficile> > at one time.> > > > Chris.> > > > WHY YOUR DOCTOR MIGHT BE RELUCTANT TO PRESCRIBE CLINDAMYCIN> > > > I wanted to write some brief notes on why doctors may be hesitant > to prescribe> > Clindamycin and why they might say it's dangerous. The main point I > would like> > to make is that it is NOT dangerous when taken in the prescribed > manner as referred> > to in the antibiotic protocol. Dr Brown in the many years he > treated patients> > did not see one case of C.difficile colitis. > > > > Patients taking antibiotics are at risk of becoming infected with a > bacterium> > called Clostridium difficile. Antibiotics disrupt the normal > bacteria of the> > bowel sometimes allowing the C.difficile bacteria to establish > itself instead.> > The exo-toxin produced by the C.difficile causes diarrhoea, > abdominal pain,> > fever, vomiting, dehydration etc. > > > > Clostridium difficile itself is extremely common in the > environment. It can> > be found growing in soil, water, decomposing plant and animal > material. It can> > also be found on furniture, toilet seats etc. > > > > The condition is often called Antibiotic-Associated Colitis or > Pseudomembraneous> > Colitis. Clindamycin has been widely recognised as causing this > condition but> > many other prescribed antibiotics have also been implicated. It can > be very> > serious but antibiotics are extremely important medications to help > fight infections.> > C.difficile colitis should not discourage the appropriate use of > antibiotics.> > Many antibiotics can cause C.difficile infection and all should be > used as prescribed> > (as per the protocol). > > > > Acidophilus preparations can help keep Clostridium difficile at > bay. By recolonising> > the bowel with "healthy" bacteria, the growth of C.difficile is > inhibited. > > > > > > Imagine how many billions of bacteria live in a healthy colon. Soon > after you> > swallow your acidophilus capsule those bacteria begin to replicate, > and during> > log phase, some bacteria double every twenty minutes. Just > imagine... if this> > rate was maintained for 24 hours, the progeny of a SINGLE bacterial > cell would> > be about 1 x 10 (to the power of 21) > > ie. 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. > > This would have a mass of approximately four thousand tons ! > > > > Of course the conditions in anybody's colon would never permit such > a rate of> > multiplication for more than a short time, generally because of an > insufficiency> > of nutrients. However the acidophilus bacteria do replicate and > help recolonise> > the colon. > > > > If ever a C.difficile infection is suspected, a stool (faeces) > sample is collected> > and tested for the bacteria and/or its toxins. Your doctor will > need to fill> > out a request form for the analysis to be performed. > > > > This information is intended to help you to understand why the > doctors might> > say it is dangerous. So, when asking for a prescription for > Clindamycin and> > your doctor says that it's dangerous, you can respond by saying > that Dr. Brown> > in all his years of treating patients didn't see one case !To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

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Debbie, thanks so much for the information. Maybe I can find a GP close by

to prescribe this knowing your dosage to pass on to him. I have had no iv's

for two years now with all tests still coming back negative. That said, with

SD, whether it is paranoia or simply statistics for this disease, I sure

think it would be a good idea to do some oral clindamycin if I can get it here.

Again, thanks so much.

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Thank you, Lucy and Debbie. I will contact GP next week and start there.

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where are u? what state

Sltfain@... wrote: Are any of you on ORAL clindamycin? If so, what

dosage and are you having

positive results? I am in a place where there is NO ONE to give the clindy

iv's to me. Thanks.

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Before I went on the IV clindamycin I was on the Oral - here is my

dosage right from the bottle

Take 2 capsules twice daily once a week. I also took the Minocin the

same day as well.

I live in Canada so I do not knw if it is the same in the US but I

arranged (I did not my doctor) for our local Community Care Access

Centre to administer the IV. I appproached them and spoke to them then

my doctor who is 9 hours drive away faxed the prescription to them and

then they arranged for the pharmacy to provide the drug and a nurse to

come to my home to administer.

Hope this helps.

> --- rheumatic Clindamycin

> From: Sltfain@...

> Date: Fri, April 20, 2007 12:02 pm

> rheumatic

>

> Are any of you on ORAL clindamycin? If so, what dosage and are you

> having positive results? I am in a place where there is NO ONE to give

> the clindy iv's to me. Thanks.

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Sorry forgot to mention each capsule is 150MG

> --- rheumatic Clindamycin > From: Sltfain@... > Date: Fri,

> April 20, 2007 12:02 pm > rheumatic > > Are any of

> you on ORAL clindamycin? If so, what dosage and are you > having

> positive results? I am in a place where there is NO ONE to give > the

> clindy iv's to me. Thanks. >

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,

I am on oral clindy...prescribed by DR. Hendriks Whitman, my longtime Rheumy in

NJ...he prescribed 1200 mg a day...300 mg capsules, 4x a day for 7 days in a

row...Dr W said that in his opinion, the oral penetrates the tissues almost as

well as Ivs...etc...and also warned me about C. Difficile colitis...I keep a

good probiotic here to take just in case the C Dif would hit...S. Boulaardi...

Hope this helps,

Debbie Gibson,

Loveland, Ohio

Re: rheumatic Clindamycin

where are u? what state

Sltfain@... wrote: Are any of you on ORAL clindamycin? If so, what dosage

and are you having

positive results? I am in a place where there is NO ONE to give the clindy

iv's to me. Thanks.

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You are very welcome, . Do you have a Meijers grocery store near you, ours

is gi ving free antibiotics, certain ones..and oral clindy is one...with a

script...

Re: rheumatic Clindamycin

Debbie, thanks so much for the information. Maybe I can find a GP close by

to prescribe this knowing your dosage to pass on to him. I have had no iv's

for two years now with all tests still coming back negative. That said, with

SD, whether it is paranoia or simply statistics for this disease, I sure

think it would be a good idea to do some oral clindamycin if I can get it

here.

Again, thanks so much.

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, intravenous clindamycin is the preferred method but there are

physicians prescribing the AP protocol that often use the oral in place of

the IV - prescribing it in the same manner as outlined in Section 2 of the

FAQ on www.rheumatic.org. Some physicians prescribe the oral after a series

of IVs. The dosage is taken all at one time rather than spread out thru

the day. Information on oral clindamycin is also in the FAQ.

There is a rheumatologist that will prescribe a series of oral every 4 to 6

months or so. For some patients he has them then take it once or week or

once every otherweek.

Ethel

rheumatic Clindamycin

> Are any of you on ORAL clindamycin? If so, what dosage and are you

> having

> positive results? I am in a place where there is NO ONE to give the

> clindy

> iv's to me. Thanks.

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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Group,

Just wanted to pass this on......I was given....clindamycin.....300 mi three

times a day....... Took it for three days for an infection NEVER WAS I SO SICK!

This med. was unreal! Never again!

Geri

[Guest guest]

Geri,

Sure, side effects are severe tingling, numbness, pain, muscle weakness which

only make us worse.

I was reviewing the extended medications alert list a few days ago. The last

update was 2005. In the 6 years hence, many newer medications are on the market

that we need to have updated. I call upon the existing CMT organizations to

pursue this, while we, the consumers question professional authorities as well

as our Pharmacist before taking anything.

Beware of any medication that includes side effects of numbness, pain, muscle

weekness, breathing. Make sure your Pharmacist knows everything you are taking.

Some medications can negatively affect others. Do your homework!

Gretchen

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Thanks Gretchen,

Not only the side effects you mentioned but it also caused explosive diarrhea to

the point of being house bound! I was very sick to my stomach and on the verge

of vomiting constantly.I was a dehydrated mess!!Still recovering! I called the

pharmacy, thanks for the reminder.

Geri

CMT 1A N. Minnesota

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Jerry,

Did you any side effects from the drip?...I have a wound on my leg ...Staph

resistant..From when I was in the hospital no doubt....

Have a water pill that also cusses diarrhea , so I have been having a hard time

to say the least! Have some test Tue. morning and wonder if I can even have them

done!

Geri