Re: 10 year old saline implants

January 12, 2002

Your Husband is Right! Your doctor's advice is more than questionable. And you need to get your daughter off the breast ASAP!

More later!

Most sincerely,

Mm

Martha MurdockNational Silicone Implant Foundationwww.topica.com/lists/BreastImplantNews/MAM-NSIF@...

January 12, 2002

Dear welsome to the group, we are happy to help you and give

you support/advice in any way we can. Most of us were sickened by

implants, and yes, most of them were saline, however it sounds like

your body has been tolerating them well, why some women do and some

don't is a mystery as of yet, however there is always risk that this

could change and you could end up with health problems, who knows, I

am glad that you are ok, I am asuming that since you don't mention

any problems.

I can see why you would be concerned though, as 10 years is long for

salines, while some women wait for a rupture in my own opinion this

is not wise, I would rather error on the safe side and be proactive

about my health.

Now, it is hard to decide to explant, I do know a few women who have

explanted just because they felt like you , or didn't really like the

implants at all, to hear there stories check out

www.explantation.com, it has stories and picutes of what explanted

breasts, esp like mine, of women who had lifts and have had children

look like, to give you a better idea, yes there will be scars, but

there is also peace of mind with explant too, esp if you have no

health problems now, that would be a way of ensuring that you never

get them, from implants anyway.

I am CJ on explantation.com so you can see my pictures and read my

story.

I will answer any more questions you may have either here or at my e

mail at home, please feel free to write me anytime, I am here for you.

Love,

PS I will be gone till Sunday night so I might not respond till after

then, but I am happy that you have a supprotive hubby too, who is

obviously more concerned with your health than your fake breasts,

that is awesome, I know my hubby loves me natural, and is happy I no

longer have the toxic bags in me, I was very ill with implants.

ANyhow that part really helps you when you go through this nightmare,

having a man who loves the real you, it helps so much. Your very

lucky.

Good luck and please stick around.

Love and hugs,

In @y..., DanzButterflies@t... wrote:

> Hello, my name is ,

> I am new to this forum. This year coming up my saline implants

will be 10 years old. I am 38 with a 2 yr old daughter. These are

my second set of implants. My first were silicone put in at age 18

and then replaced with the saline at age 28.

>

> After reading some websites, I got a little scared, alot scared. I

emailed a doctor to see if I could get a referral who was featured on

one of the sites...since I'm living in Germany, I hardly speak

German, although my husband is fluent, I would not have a doctor who

was not fluent in English. I thought I could travel to England or

Holland if need be to find a doctor. Anyhow, I felt more optimistic

after he told me the following:

>

> without seeing you, I would try to assure you that saline implants

are normally NOT a problem. Fungal infections etc are very rare.

there is often staining of the saline.,but that cane be from

hemosiderin ( red cell byproduct) or betadine (used to wash the

cavity etc). But in general, if they are not bothering you, don't

bother them!

>

> So I felt relief and thought I shouldn't worry so much, but of

course, still find a doctor so in case one ruptures I wouldn't be

searching for a doctor during a crisis.

>

> I go back and forth in my head whether I could live without these

breasts, or have scars or whatever happens. I thought I should just

get them replaced and deal with it 10 years from now. But when I

start reading the stories again, I think I should have them out. My

husband thinks I should have them out, because of what he's read.

>

> More to my situation, I am still currently nursing my 2 year old

daughter. I cannot foresee just weaning her off yet unless there was

a serious problem and I would be forced to. I can't just switch her

over to cow's milk as she gets eczema from cow's milk and dairy

products since 8 months old when she started having them. She no

longer has them to the best of my ability, with a few minor

exceptions. She takes cod liver oil which helps her skin, and

noticeably gets worse if she misses a few days.

>

> I'm searching for answers, direction, a English speaking doctor in

Europe.

January 12, 2002

I don't mean to sound stupid, but I am unsuccessful so far at trying to coerce her to wean. This past week, maybe because she wasn't feeling well, she kept refusing much of the food I try to get her to eat food. My husband tries too. She eats little bits here and there, but short of forcing her to eat...I feel trapped and frustrated often times. If I didn't have the breast issue, I wouldn't care if she continues to nurse until 3 or 4 as extended nursing advocates express the positive and natural benefits of doing so. But here I am approaching the 10 year mark with the saline implants. I haven't been overly concerned, except for last week when I read all the depressing stories. I wander about the statistics and also about all the women who have there implants replaced for the variety of reasons...I wonder about their old implants...were they contaminated?? were they clear? Is all bacteria/fungus visible? Can a person survive the bacteria if the implant ruptures? How many people die from the bacteria/fungal infections?

My daughter mostly nurses only during the night to go to sleep or back to sleep if she wakes up. If I don't nurse her she cries so hard. And think that I should just let her nurse. I don't think she has been harmed by anything. With the exception that she has had a cold this past week, she rarely gets sick, she has been extremely healthy, vibrant, full of energy, growth...she is smart, speaks two languages, etc. So my main concern is if an implant breaks. It also concerns me because now that she is bigger she tries to climb over top of me to change positions and get comfortable to nurse and sometimes presses with her little hand on the breast area where the implant is. I try and get her hand before she places too much pressure and get fearful that the pressure might cause a rupture. I desperately need to find a surgeon here, but am limited as I don't speak German and rely on my husband who works full-time, he hasn't yet made the necessary phone calls. I need to really get him to phone around here to seek an English speaking doctor. I don't know their credential requirements here either in Germany and get a little fearful of German doctor's because of the unknown. I know that in general life here, some things are handled very differently than in America.

Thank you for your thoughts and responses.

Sincerely,

----- Original Message -----

From: MARTHA-NSIF

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:25 AM

Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants

Your Husband is Right! Your doctor's advice is more than questionable. And you need to get your daughter off the breast ASAP!

More later!

Most sincerely,

Mm

Martha MurdockNational Silicone Implant Foundationwww.topica.com/lists/BreastImplantNews/MAM-NSIF@...

January 14, 2002

Hi ,

Welcome to our group. I do hope that we can give you some answers to your questions, and help you in this decision about your future with implants.

There is a support group leader in Switzerland named Cosima, and she may be able to help you get in touch with knowledgeable doctors there in Europe. I am going to forward your letter to Ilena Rosenthal, and hopefully she will be able to either get back with me with some information that will be helpful, or answer your letter directly to help you locate a doctor there. Either way, we will get you some contacts!

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: DanzButterflies@...

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:55 PM

Subject: 10 year old saline implants

Hello, my name is ,

I am new to this forum. This year coming up my saline implants will be 10 years old. I am 38 with a 2 yr old daughter. These are my second set of implants. My first were silicone put in at age 18 and then replaced with the saline at age 28.

After reading some websites, I got a little scared, alot scared. I emailed a doctor to see if I could get a referral who was featured on one of the sites...since I'm living in Germany, I hardly speak German, although my husband is fluent, I would not have a doctor who was not fluent in English. I thought I could travel to England or Holland if need be to find a doctor. Anyhow, I felt more optimistic after he told me the following:

without seeing you, I would try to assure you that saline implants are normally NOT a problem. Fungal infections etc are very rare. there is often staining of the saline.,but that cane be from hemosiderin ( red cell byproduct) or betadine (used to wash the cavity etc). But in general, if they are not bothering you, don't bother them!

So I felt relief and thought I shouldn't worry so much, but of course, still find a doctor so in case one ruptures I wouldn't be searching for a doctor during a crisis.

I go back and forth in my head whether I could live without these breasts, or have scars or whatever happens. I thought I should just get them replaced and deal with it 10 years from now. But when I start reading the stories again, I think I should have them out. My husband thinks I should have them out, because of what he's read.

More to my situation, I am still currently nursing my 2 year old daughter. I cannot foresee just weaning her off yet unless there was a serious problem and I would be forced to. I can't just switch her over to cow's milk as she gets eczema from cow's milk and dairy products since 8 months old when she started having them. She no longer has them to the best of my ability, with a few minor exceptions. She takes cod liver oil which helps her skin, and noticeably gets worse if she misses a few days.

I'm searching for answers, direction, a English speaking doctor in Europe.

January 14, 2002

Your implants are due to come out regardless of whether you choose to replace them or not. If you have read our stories then you know the hell we have all been through. Physicians in Europe look at breast implants differently than they do here in the states. I don't think that they believe that there is any potential for problems associated with them at all, and as a matter of fact, there was a show in April, 2001 on the Discovery Channel about breast implants that did interview 2 or 3 physicians from Europe, and they all said that implants were safe. But then again, they are also using silicone and were also one of the first ones to use soya implants, and look at what a disaster that turned out to be. I strongly urge you to exercise caution and good judgment when making your decision. Removing your implants permanently will not disfigure you nor will they create larger more unsightly scars if you choose a physician that is well versed, knowledgeable, and skilled in removing them. The majority of the time, (at least in the US), the explanting ps will go through the same incisions that were made to place the implants (if they were placed using the inframammary technique). You can barely even notice my scars. And the majority of the time, your breasts look so much better without the implants than with them. All saline implants contain a silicone shell, so you are being exposed to silicone, as is your baby everytime you breastfeed. And the saline that is placed into the implants only has a shelf life of 18 months at a temperature of 77 degrees F. Think about this----the saline is placed into our body at a temp of minimum 96 degrees F, and stays there for a period of time ranging from months to yrs. Warm saline is a perfect medium for bacteria, mold, and fungi to grow. This is where this stuff loves to grow and divide---its warm and moist and dark. I am a registered nurse, and the saline that is used to fill implants is the same saline that is used to irrigate and clean wounds. When we clean and irrigate wounds, we open a bottle of saline and use it for 3 days (72 hrs) then toss it. Why? Because the risk of bacteria and other contaminants is too great. Would you want your wound or a family members' wound to be cleaned by contaminated saline? Probably not. But that is what is in your body. Even though docs will deny this, it is documented widely in the medical literature. And the vast majority of women who are explanted who have their implants scientifically analyzed do have bacteria, mold, and/or fungi growing in their implants. I did. I had Staph epidermidis, Aspergillus niger, and Aspergillus bouffardi. And if you could look at sterile saline bottles, even the expiration dates on them are generally about 1-2 yrs. I, personally, don't know of any ps in Europe to refer you to, but perhaps one of the other women in this group could help you out. All of ask of you is to please think everything over very carefully because not only are you making a decision for yourself, but a decision for your baby who is being exposed everyday to toxins. Sincerely, Jusitne, RN, BSN, LNC ----- Original Message ----- From: DanzButterflies@... Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:57 AM Subject: 10 year old saline implants Hello, my name is , I am new to this forum. This year coming up my saline implants will be 10 years old. I am 38 with a 2 yr old daughter. These are my second set of implants. My first were silicone put in at age 18 and then replaced with the saline at age 28. After reading some websites, I got a little scared, alot scared. I emailed a doctor to see if I could get a referral who was featured on one of the sites...since I'm living in Germany, I hardly speak German, although my husband is fluent, I would not have a doctor who was not fluent in English. I thought I could travel to England or Holland if need be to find a doctor. Anyhow, I felt more optimistic after he told me the following: without seeing you, I would try to assure you that saline implants are normally NOT a problem. Fungal infections etc are very rare. there is often staining of the saline.,but that cane be from hemosiderin ( red cell byproduct) or betadine (used to wash the cavity etc). But in general, if they are not bothering you, don't bother them! So I felt relief and thought I shouldn't worry so much, but of course, still find a doctor so in case one ruptures I wouldn't be searching for a doctor during a crisis. I go back and forth in my head whether I could live without these breasts, or have scars or whatever happens. I thought I should just get them replaced and deal with it 10 years from now. But when I start reading the stories again, I think I should have them out. My husband thinks I should have them out, because of what he's read. More to my situation, I am still currently nursing my 2 year old daughter. I cannot foresee just weaning her off yet unless there was a serious problem and I would be forced to. I can't just switch her over to cow's milk as she gets eczema from cow's milk and dairy products since 8 months old when she started having them. She no longer has them to the best of my ability, with a few minor exceptions. She takes cod liver oil which helps her skin, and noticeably gets worse if she misses a few days. I'm searching for answers, direction, a English speaking doctor in Europe.

January 14, 2002

Hi my name is pat and one of my saline implants

ruptured while i was pregnant. I had no insurance at

the time so the doctor would not do anything for me.

The ruptured implant stayed in my body for a yr and a

half,i then got a lawyer and began to try and get them

out.I have been sick since and this was in 1992. I

always feel like i have the flu. I Was wondering what

your thoughts might be on the implants staying inside

my body that long ruptured..thanks pat

--- e Rene <e_Rene@...> wrote:

> ,

>

> Mold and fungi are not always visible to the naked

> eye. My implants, as I already told you, contained

> 2 types of molds and both of my implants were clear.

> Only visible under the microscope were the molds

> and bacteria. Also, the shell of the implant allows

> material from the body to enter into the inside of

> the implant and vice versa. So, if you have any

> type of bacteria in your bloodstream, it can enter

> into your implant. If you have bacteria, mold, or

> fungi in your implant, it can enter into your

> bloodstream. This alone can make you ill and can

> cause a host of problems and symptoms, however mild.

> If your implant(s) were to rupture, and they

> contain molds or fungi, yes, they can make you

> extremely ill, and in some cases can cause

> overwhelming sepsis, and in worst case scenarios,

> death (although physicians would more than likely

> never admit it was due to your implants). It is

> also possible that your implants are ruptured, and

> simply have a slow leak. My right implant was

> ruptured but had not spilled its contents into my

> body. It simply had a " slow leak. " Once out of my

> body and I had a chance to look at them, I could

> notice a definate difference in size between the

> right and left. Pierre Blais (he analyzed my

> implants) said that my implants were manufactured

> incorrectly and were defective, and had defective

> valves. Key areas on the implants had weakened and

> he stated that it was highly likely that I would

> have suffered a major rupture within several days to

> weeks and would have suffered a severe infective

> episode from which recovery would have been very

> difficult.

>

> The other thing I want to bring up is the nursing.

> I am far from being an expert on this issue, but I

> do recall reading articles on this and other women

> on here probably know more than me. But I have read

> articles about women who breastfed while they had

> implants. Their children did fine and were " great,

> healthy, happy children. " However, 10-14 yrs later,

> these same children were dealing with a multitude of

> health problems ranging from severe clinical

> depression, to CA, to fibromyalgia, to autoimmune

> diseases, to neurological problems. And most of

> these women were now attributing their childrens'

> health problems to their implants. Silicone has

> platinum in it, toluene, benzene (a known

> carcinogen)and like 29 other chemicals that are all

> terribly toxic and dangerous to humans. Just

> because you're fine and your child is fine doesn't

> mean that you and your child will be 10 yrs from

> now. We are just now beginning to fully comprehend

> the dangers of silicone.

>

> My suggestion to you----don't play with fire,

> because when you do, you're going to get burnt!!!

>

> e, RN, BSN

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: DanzButterflies@...

> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:09 AM

>

> Subject: Re: 10 year old saline

> implants

>

> I don't mean to sound stupid, but I am unsuccessful

> so far at trying to coerce her to wean. This past

> week, maybe because she wasn't feeling well, she

> kept refusing much of the food I try to get her to

> eat food. My husband tries too. She eats little

> bits here and there, but short of forcing her to

> eat...I feel trapped and frustrated often times. If

> I didn't have the breast issue, I wouldn't care if

> she continues to nurse until 3 or 4 as extended

> nursing advocates express the positive and natural

> benefits of doing so. But here I am approaching the

> 10 year mark with the saline implants. I haven't

> been overly concerned, except for last week when I

> read all the depressing stories. I wander about the

> statistics and also about all the women who have

> there implants replaced for the variety of

> reasons...I wonder about their old implants...were

> they contaminated?? were they clear? Is all

> bacteria/fungus visible? Can a person survive the

> bacteria if the implant ruptures? How many people

> die from the bacteria/fungal infections?

>

> My daughter mostly nurses only during the night to

> go to sleep or back to sleep if she wakes up. If I

> don't nurse her she cries so hard. And think that I

> should just let her nurse. I don't think she has

> been harmed by anything. With the exception that

> she has had a cold this past week, she rarely gets

> sick, she has been extremely healthy, vibrant, full

> of energy, growth...she is smart, speaks two

> languages, etc. So my main concern is if an implant

> breaks. It also concerns me because now that she is

> bigger she tries to climb over top of me to change

> positions and get comfortable to nurse and sometimes

> presses with her little hand on the breast area

> where the implant is. I try and get her hand before

> she places too much pressure and get fearful that

> the pressure might cause a rupture. I desperately

> need to find a surgeon here, but am limited as I

> don't speak German and rely on my husband who works

> full-time, he hasn't yet made the necessary phone

> calls. I need to really get him to phone around

> here to seek an English speaking doctor. I don't

> know their credential requirements here either in

> Germany and get a little fearful of German doctor's

> because of the unknown. I know that in general life

> here, some things are handled very differently than

> in America.

>

> Thank you for your thoughts and responses.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: MARTHA-NSIF

>

> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:25 AM

> Subject: Re: 10 year old saline

> implants

>

> Your Husband is Right! Your doctor's advice is more

> than questionable. And you need to get your

> daughter off the breast ASAP!

>

> More later!

>

> Most sincerely,

> Mm

> Martha Murdock

> National Silicone Implant Foundation

> www.topica.com/lists/BreastImplantNews/

> MAM-NSIF@...

>

January 14, 2002

, Mold and fungi are not always visible to the naked eye. My implants, as I already told you, contained 2 types of molds and both of my implants were clear. Only visible under the microscope were the molds and bacteria. Also, the shell of the implant allows material from the body to enter into the inside of the implant and vice versa. So, if you have any type of bacteria in your bloodstream, it can enter into your implant. If you have bacteria, mold, or fungi in your implant, it can enter into your bloodstream. This alone can make you ill and can cause a host of problems and symptoms, however mild. If your implant(s) were to rupture, and they contain molds or fungi, yes, they can make you extremely ill, and in some cases can cause overwhelming sepsis, and in worst case scenarios, death (although physicians would more than likely never admit it was due to your implants). It is also possible that your implants are ruptured, and simply have a slow leak. My right implant was ruptured but had not spilled its contents into my body. It simply had a "slow leak." Once out of my body and I had a chance to look at them, I could notice a definate difference in size between the right and left. Pierre Blais (he analyzed my implants) said that my implants were manufactured incorrectly and were defective, and had defective valves. Key areas on the implants had weakened and he stated that it was highly likely that I would have suffered a major rupture within several days to weeks and would have suffered a severe infective episode from which recovery would have been very difficult. The other thing I want to bring up is the nursing. I am far from being an expert on this issue, but I do recall reading articles on this and other women on here probably know more than me. But I have read articles about women who breastfed while they had implants. Their children did fine and were "great, healthy, happy children." However, 10-14 yrs later, these same children were dealing with a multitude of health problems ranging from severe clinical depression, to CA, to fibromyalgia, to autoimmune diseases, to neurological problems. And most of these women were now attributing their childrens' health problems to their implants. Silicone has platinum in it, toluene, benzene (a known carcinogen)and like 29 other chemicals that are all terribly toxic and dangerous to humans. Just because you're fine and your child is fine doesn't mean that you and your child will be 10 yrs from now. We are just now beginning to fully comprehend the dangers of silicone. My suggestion to you----don't play with fire, because when you do, you're going to get burnt!!! e, RN, BSN ----- Original Message ----- From: DanzButterflies@... Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:09 AM Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants I don't mean to sound stupid, but I am unsuccessful so far at trying to coerce her to wean. This past week, maybe because she wasn't feeling well, she kept refusing much of the food I try to get her to eat food. My husband tries too. She eats little bits here and there, but short of forcing her to eat...I feel trapped and frustrated often times. If I didn't have the breast issue, I wouldn't care if she continues to nurse until 3 or 4 as extended nursing advocates express the positive and natural benefits of doing so. But here I am approaching the 10 year mark with the saline implants. I haven't been overly concerned, except for last week when I read all the depressing stories. I wander about the statistics and also about all the women who have there implants replaced for the variety of reasons...I wonder about their old implants...were they contaminated?? were they clear? Is all bacteria/fungus visible? Can a person survive the bacteria if the implant ruptures? How many people die from the bacteria/fungal infections? My daughter mostly nurses only during the night to go to sleep or back to sleep if she wakes up. If I don't nurse her she cries so hard. And think that I should just let her nurse. I don't think she has been harmed by anything. With the exception that she has had a cold this past week, she rarely gets sick, she has been extremely healthy, vibrant, full of energy, growth...she is smart, speaks two languages, etc. So my main concern is if an implant breaks. It also concerns me because now that she is bigger she tries to climb over top of me to change positions and get comfortable to nurse and sometimes presses with her little hand on the breast area where the implant is. I try and get her hand before she places too much pressure and get fearful that the pressure might cause a rupture. I desperately need to find a surgeon here, but am limited as I don't speak German and rely on my husband who works full-time, he hasn't yet made the necessary phone calls. I need to really get him to phone around here to seek an English speaking doctor. I don't know their credential requirements here either in Germany and get a little fearful of German doctor's because of the unknown. I know that in general life here, some things are handled very differently than in America. Thank you for your thoughts and responses. Sincerely, ----- Original Message ----- From: MARTHA-NSIF Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants Your Husband is Right! Your doctor's advice is more than questionable. And you need to get your daughter off the breast ASAP! More later! Most sincerely, Mm Martha MurdockNational Silicone Implant Foundationwww.topica.com/lists/BreastImplantNews/MAM-NSIF@...

January 14, 2002

Hi Pat,

Definitely not good! Welcome to our group....

You may want to get tested for mycoplasms and other pathogens that may be

contributing to your constant state of sickness.

As I have posted in the files section of this website, there are many

natural products you can use to try to reduce your viral, fungal and

bacterial load. These are very, very effective. I have used them myself

with outstanding results. Personally, I take large amounts of raw garlic,

as well as olive leaf extract, grapefruit seed extract, and other herbs. If

you take the time to research these products, you will see that they have

wonderful antibacterial, antifungal and anti viral properties.

You may still need to get on a course of antibiotics or other drug to

effectively deal with your situation, but these natural products are

something you can find at the grocery store or health food store and start

using now. Ruptured saline implants should be dealt with and no ignored.

I think you will find these products helpful, but I do strongly encourage

you to get the implants removed along with all scar tissue.

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: " oll oll " <oll8o@...>

< >

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 12:38 AM

Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants

> Hi my name is pat and one of my saline implants

> ruptured while i was pregnant. I had no insurance at

> the time so the doctor would not do anything for me.

> The ruptured implant stayed in my body for a yr and a

> half,i then got a lawyer and began to try and get them

> out.I have been sick since and this was in 1992. I

> always feel like i have the flu. I Was wondering what

> your thoughts might be on the implants staying inside

> my body that long ruptured..thanks pat

> --- e Rene

January 14, 2002

Thank You very much!!

Sincerely,

----- Original Message -----

From: Patty

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 3:24 AM

Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants

Hi ,

Welcome to our group. I do hope that we can give you some answers to your questions, and help you in this decision about your future with implants.

There is a support group leader in Switzerland named Cosima, and she may be able to help you get in touch with knowledgeable doctors there in Europe. I am going to forward your letter to Ilena Rosenthal, and hopefully she will be able to either get back with me with some information that will be helpful, or answer your letter directly to help you locate a doctor there. Either way, we will get you some contacts!

Love,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: DanzButterflies@...

Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:55 PM

Subject: 10 year old saline implants

Hello, my name is ,

I am new to this forum. This year coming up my saline implants will be 10 years old. I am 38 with a 2 yr old daughter. These are my second set of implants. My first were silicone put in at age 18 and then replaced with the saline at age 28.

After reading some websites, I got a little scared, alot scared. I emailed a doctor to see if I could get a referral who was featured on one of the sites...since I'm living in Germany, I hardly speak German, although my husband is fluent, I would not have a doctor who was not fluent in English. I thought I could travel to England or Holland if need be to find a doctor. Anyhow, I felt more optimistic after he told me the following:

without seeing you, I would try to assure you that saline implants are normally NOT a problem. Fungal infections etc are very rare. there is often staining of the saline.,but that cane be from hemosiderin ( red cell byproduct) or betadine (used to wash the cavity etc). But in general, if they are not bothering you, don't bother them!

So I felt relief and thought I shouldn't worry so much, but of course, still find a doctor so in case one ruptures I wouldn't be searching for a doctor during a crisis.

I go back and forth in my head whether I could live without these breasts, or have scars or whatever happens. I thought I should just get them replaced and deal with it 10 years from now. But when I start reading the stories again, I think I should have them out. My husband thinks I should have them out, because of what he's read.

More to my situation, I am still currently nursing my 2 year old daughter. I cannot foresee just weaning her off yet unless there was a serious problem and I would be forced to. I can't just switch her over to cow's milk as she gets eczema from cow's milk and dairy products since 8 months old when she started having them. She no longer has them to the best of my ability, with a few minor exceptions. She takes cod liver oil which helps her skin, and noticeably gets worse if she misses a few days.

I'm searching for answers, direction, a English speaking doctor in Europe.

January 14, 2002

>>Your implants are due to come out regardless of whether you choose to replace them or not. <<

Yes, I realize that, timing is my big problem right now...I never expected to be nursing past a year.

>>If you have read our stories then you know the hell we have all been through.<<

Exactly, why I joined the group and have been living in much fear laterly. Not a day goes by that it is not on mind throughout the day...especially when my daughter is nursing. Last week I began to attempt to refuse to nurse her and of course she got sick which is the worse time for me to attempt to wean. She is already stuffy and congested and refusing her, she cries so hard and gets more stuffed and congested and aggravates her until were all just in a mess. So I gave back in. I've been crying alot lately over it...this morning as well. On top of it, I'm sick with the cold she passed on to me and my energy and tolerance gets even more limited. I feel so stuck.

I appreciate the info. you provided about what you saw on TV about a few surgeons in Europe. Although not specifically aware of those views, I am aware at how different their views on so many other things that it already raised red flags with me.

My question about the saline...I thought that the saline being exposed to air is what would trigger growth of fungus or bacteria. And thought that since the saline is not exposed (??) that the likelihood of it growing would not be the same as an opened container of saline like you referred to. I do not have medical schooling...so I'm just trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together from all that I read.

----- Original Message -----

From: e Rene

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 9:20 AM

Subject: Re: 10 year old saline implants

Your implants are due to come out regardless of whether you choose to replace them or not. If you have read our stories then you know the hell we have all been through. Physicians in Europe look at breast implants differently than they do here in the states. I don't think that they believe that there is any potential for problems associated with them at all, and as a matter of fact, there was a show in April, 2001 on the Discovery Channel about breast implants that did interview 2 or 3 physicians from Europe, and they all said that implants were safe. But then again, they are also using silicone and were also one of the first ones to use soya implants, and look at what a disaster that turned out to be.

I strongly urge you to exercise caution and good judgment when making your decision. Removing your implants permanently will not disfigure you nor will they create larger more unsightly scars if you choose a physician that is well versed, knowledgeable, and skilled in removing them. The majority of the time, (at least in the US), the explanting ps will go through the same incisions that were made to place the implants (if they were placed using the inframammary technique). You can barely even notice my scars. And the majority of the time, your breasts look so much better without the implants than with them.

Let me ask you about those 3 you mentioned found in your explants..."I had Staph epidermidis, Aspergillus niger, and Aspergillus bouffardi"...are those harmful? or deadly? Is all bacteria bad? Since aren't we surrounded by it in our environment... Please, your thoughts? I am trying to learn and understand.

On nursing...I was told by doctors, nurses and also midwives (who are against vaccination for the toxins involved in that) that nursing would be OK...which is why I went ahead. I also read that because the milk ducts are separate that 'stuff' wouldn't enter them. Unless, I'm assuming it would be in my bloodstream. But if I had bacteria and fungus in my bloodstream...wouldn't I be sick? or wouldn't it have showed up during pregnancy when they would do lab testing on the blood? I have so many questions. I know that she is very sensitive to what she will ingest....wouldn't she refuse my milk if it was contaminated. Or does bacteria and those type of impurities have no taste or a human has no ability to detect through their senses? I would also like to know if any of the people that are highly against implants are also highly against vaccination or if they refuse implants and accept vaccination? I know that is a bit off topic, but I do wonder. I don't vaccinate my child, so fortunately she is free from those toxins.

Thank you so much for your input, I greatly appreciate it. And please accept my questions as a desire to understand.

Thank you, Sincerely,

All saline implants contain a silicone shell, so you are being exposed to silicone, as is your baby everytime you breastfeed. And the saline that is placed into the implants only has a shelf life of 18 months at a temperature of 77 degrees F. Think about this----the saline is placed into our body at a temp of minimum 96 degrees F, and stays there for a period of time ranging from months to yrs. Warm saline is a perfect medium for bacteria, mold, and fungi to grow. This is where this stuff loves to grow and divide---its warm and moist and dark. I am a registered nurse, and the saline that is used to fill implants is the same saline that is used to irrigate and clean wounds. When we clean and irrigate wounds, we open a bottle of saline and use it for 3 days (72 hrs) then toss it. Why? Because the risk of bacteria and other contaminants is too great. Would you want your wound or a family members' wound to be cleaned by contaminated saline? Probably not. But that is what is in your body. Even though docs will deny this, it is documented widely in the medical literature. And the vast majority of women who are explanted who have their implants scientifically analyzed do have bacteria, mold, and/or fungi growing in their implants. I did. I had Staph epidermidis, Aspergillus niger, and Aspergillus bouffardi. And if you could look at sterile saline bottles, even the expiration dates on them are generally about 1-2 yrs.

I, personally, don't know of any ps in Europe to refer you to, but perhaps one of the other women in this group could help you out. All of ask of you is to please think everything over very carefully because not only are you making a decision for yourself, but a decision for your baby who is being exposed everyday to toxins.

Sincerely,

Jusitne, RN, BSN, LNC

----- Original Message -----

From: DanzButterflies@...

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:57 AM

Subject: 10 year old saline implants

Hello, my name is ,

I am new to this forum. This year coming up my saline implants will be 10 years old. I am 38 with a 2 yr old daughter. These are my second set of implants. My first were silicone put in at age 18 and then replaced with the saline at age 28.

After reading some websites, I got a little scared, alot scared. I emailed a doctor to see if I could get a referral who was featured on one of the sites...since I'm living in Germany, I hardly speak German, although my husband is fluent, I would not have a doctor who was not fluent in English. I thought I could travel to England or Holland if need be to find a doctor. Anyhow, I felt more optimistic after he told me the following:

without seeing you, I would try to assure you that saline implants are normally NOT a problem. Fungal infections etc are very rare. there is often staining of the saline.,but that cane be from hemosiderin ( red cell byproduct) or betadine (used to wash the cavity etc). But in general, if they are not bothering you, don't bother them!

So I felt relief and thought I shouldn't worry so much, but of course, still find a doctor so in case one ruptures I wouldn't be searching for a doctor during a crisis.

I go back and forth in my head whether I could live without these breasts, or have scars or whatever happens. I thought I should just get them replaced and deal with it 10 years from now. But when I start reading the stories again, I think I should have them out. My husband thinks I should have them out, because of what he's read.

More to my situation, I am still currently nursing my 2 year old daughter. I cannot foresee just weaning her off yet unless there was a serious problem and I would be forced to. I can't just switch her over to cow's milk as she gets eczema from cow's milk and dairy products since 8 months old when she started having them. She no longer has them to the best of my ability, with a few minor exceptions. She takes cod liver oil which helps her skin, and noticeably gets worse if she misses a few days.

I'm searching for answers, direction, a English speaking doctor in Europe.

January 14, 2002

e,

My last email got all wacky, I guess I went to look at something you wrote and wrote my response, but I typed it into the last part of your message that you wrote to me, so, maybe someone could delete that post, since it appears lower in the portion of your message and might confuse people if they don't see your original post. I will repost it here so that it's all together. Also, I couldn't access it properly again, so went to this post to respond to you. Sorry for any confusion.

I realized it when I went back to make a note - since I said I was sick and later said wouldn't I get sick from the bacteria? I thought it sounded a little peculiar and contradictary...but I am sure I got a cold/flu passed from my daughter, because she was sick for a week first and then my husband briefly got it (he teaches and is around a lot of people and also children too and usually when we get sick, he's the first

one). Just wanted to clarify.

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