Re: New and learning

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> Hello,

> I just joined. I am new and learning. I do not have a diagnosis yet.

> But I am waiting to see a specialist. There is a very long wait.

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> I hope to have a good experience here. I was in another group and it

> was not pleasent at all.

>

> Diane

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Welcome Diane you will find their are a great bunch of people here. and

you will learn alot of thing here I know that I have. again welcome

Janet IN IL

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---hi dianne looking forward to sharing

do get a good diagnosis get it confirmed .and then of course there is

waht to do about your ailment s.

quite a bit to see and understand on this point .

well have a read from my forthcoming book

Chapter 1 challenging

Let me pose this as a question to you for answering it will reveal a

lot about health care systems and how they have evolved .and what are

the implications to us and our health. This is the question.

Why are you being recommended the healing route which is being offered

to you.

Another point that is to be made very clear here this is just not me

saying this but also thousands of doctors, therapists all over the

world who are moving to a more holistic kind of approach in dealing

with illness and many are only to aware of the health care systems

which are in place now and how they evolved. Another point I am making

crystal clear some of the therapies offered to you maybe quite

effective also. But that is not to say they are the best or cannot be

improved upon substantially. And as you will know and see there are

some really big limitations which these principles will uncover. As I

see it these principles are irrefutable until the day comes where

research is done in an objective way funded by a party with no

interests but one and that is for the good of the patient with results

published good, bad, or indifferent.

Drugs and other treatments

There are a few very important points that I would like to cover on

the subject of drugs and research and treatment. At present the system

in England and in many countries is this.

Point 1

All treatment recommended by the health care people should be tested

and approved and quite rightly so. I am sure we would all want that.

Point 2

Obviously it costs vast sums of money to test and approve treatments

because of the possible damage to people and the subsequent litigation

costing millions of pounds.

Point 3

Where does this money come from to test and approve treatments? Does

the government fund much research into health care and what is its

agenda- a little yes but in comparison to drug companies the sums

are very small.

So by far the biggest source of money going into research is the drug

companies.

Do you think drug companies are some charitable institution – in the

main they are there to make profit.

What do you think the implications of that statement means. Well as we

speak there are already groups of people begging companies to find a

drug to deal with all sorts of problems .A lot of these groups are

turned down because there is not enough of them suffering to justify

the cost of research.

Also take for example a researcher might go along to his local drug

company and tell them his findings about this treatment he has been

working on which is of outstanding value but needs testing further or

approving, you might think they would be falling over themselves to

know more –right, you could not be more wrong.

By and large only treatments which show a potential for profit will

even get examined. Because they are in business to make a profit, not

for serving the people.

So many of the hundreds of therapies which they see as having no

profit potential do not get approved.

These may include osteopathy, Reiki, spiritual healing, nutrition,

EFT. Acupuncture, yoga, sound therapy, colour healing, NLP, light

therapy, psychic surgery ,earth energy, oxidation therapies ,ozone

therapies. Not to mention detoxing, colonics, enemas, crystal healing,

fume baths,castor oil packs ,grape packs, Epsom salt packs, herbs

Massage, Spiritual healing, Knieisiology Herbs, Light therapy, Colour

therapy, Regression therapy, Osteopathy, Zappers, Magnetic devices,

Electrical Frequency devices and so on .

And this is why by and large these things do not get recommended by

your local doctor or hospital despite the fact that some of them do

have overwhelming benefits, some which have saved needless operations,

needless amputations, needless pain and mental trauma, needless kidney

failures and much loss of life.

Point 4

Your local G.P/ doctor is not a researcher, what does this mean, he is

very taxed with his time in the main perhaps seeing 20-40 people per

day. That means he cannot do research, he finds it very difficult to

keep up with what is going on in the main. He is told what to

prescribe. He does not in may cases have the time often to look at

research.

He may be very much frowned upon by some of his peers for

recommending alternative medicine, some doctors of course ignore those

pressures. Many doctors have suffered from prescribing other therapies

than the norm.

In the year 2004 approx. 5000 Beds in the UK alone are being taken up

by people who have had reactions to drugs.

Some will die others will be maimed. That is fact.

So Mr and Mrs to answer the question posed this is why are you

being recommended the healing route which is being offered to you .

Point 5

This is what we are calling for when the day comes when most of the

research and testing is done by an agency with no vested interests

attached and a clear agenda of being objective. Perhaps there will

from this little book a group of people form and act as a pressure

group to force our governments to act for the interests of the people.

To fund research with researchers who are objective. Make no mistake

about it we are talking about billions of pounds being jeopardised

here or being spent in another direction and there is a lot of people

who would not like that to happen I assure you.

There is clear evidence that some of these drug companies will even

go much further than just dismiss this proposed treatment especially

if it is going to affect their profits.

Imagine this 10 000 patients on some drug costing say 500-1000 pounds

each per year

Average time to get well 20 yrs –income in that time –go on work it

out .

That is around 10 million pounds

Then an invention comes along and hey presto we can get them well in

just 6 weeks at a cost of 200 quid

Do you think they will just sit around and go err – what planet are

you on jack?

Ever heard of a brilliant doctor with the name of rife the

gifted scientist and winner of 14 government awards including

scientist of the year award twice.

Rife discovered that some major diseases could be eliminated with

frequencies based on that diseases individual electromagnetic

signature. He uses the same effect, which causes a glass to shatter by

the use of some peoples voices.

These distinguished medical doctors who originally confirmed part or

this entire discovery included:

E.C. Rosenow, Sr. (Chief of Bacteriology, 32 yrs., at Mayo Clinic),

Fredrich Koch (Detroit, Brazil), Gaston Naessens (Quebec), Sakae Inoue

(Japan), s Mazet (France,), Franz Gerlach (Germany), Niello Mori

and Clara Fonti (Italy), Cameron Gruner (McGill Univ.), T.J. Glover

(Canada), Florence Seibert (V.A. Research Lab,Bay Pines, Fla.), Irene

Diller (Inst. of Cancer Research, Phila, Penn), Eleanor .

and Virginia Livingston (NJ & San Diego clinics).

But events started to happen; firstly, arsonists burned the Burnett

Lab in New Jersey, which was validating Rife's work.

Then, someone fatally poisoned Dr. Milbank , president of the

Southern California American Medical Association. He died just hours

before a scheduled press conference in which he was to announce that

Rife's electronic therapy cured every terminal patient in a study

supervised by the University of Southern California.

Dr. Nemes, who duplicated some of Rife's work just 40 miles from

Rife's lab, was killed in a mysterious fire, which destroyed his lab.

Rife stopped work, but died at Grossmont Hospital from a lethal dose

of Valium. Following Dr. Milbank 's murder, threats, other

incidents followed; 30 doctors once photographed honoring Rife at a

banquet now denied they ever knew him! Dr. Isaac Kendall, Rife's chief

research associate and Dean of Northwestern Medical School, received

$200,000 in " grants " & disappeared. Was this a bribe?

Dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler in 1947 while studying tumors found

the same organism in all of them. Her findings were published in

August 1948 by the New York Microscopical Society Bullitin. Later in

Dec. 1950 Wheeler had an article published in the American Journal of

Medical Sciences on microbes cultures taken from both human and animal

tumors. On Sept. 10, 1953 The Washington Post reported the discoveries

of Dr. Wheeler and her team from Rutgers-Presbyterian Hospital

Laboratory which were disclosed at the 6 th International Congress of

Microbiology in Rome. They had found conclusive proof of a microbial

cause for cancer.

When Dr. Wheeler and her group returned from Rome to Rutgers-

Presbyterian Hospital they found that the funds for their laboratory

were being cut off. The laboratory was closed. This was the behind-

the-scenes work and doings of Dr. Corneluis P. Rhoads, the head of

Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. The fear of the cancer

industry elite is and was immense. If the truth about the true cause

of cancer becomes known a cheap cure will be found shortly thereafter.

This will kill the cancer goose which lays tens of billions of dollars

worth of eggs a year. Is there nothing these scum will not do for

their god money? No

And it does not stop there Walsh head of the cayce center in

Durham England had a stuttering problem which he cured using the

recommendations of Edgar cayce, osteopathic adjustments by the way

were done .

Naturally he wanted to share this with the stuttering society so that

others may alleviate their suffering, at a meeting he was going to

deliver a talk telling people of how he did it. But just as he was

about to speak, he was stopped and the only reason says is that

the organizers realized that if this information got out it could mean

the end of their society.

Doctors Hertal and Blanc undertook research on the effects of

microwave ovens and declared that foods cooked in this way posed a

greater risk to health than cooking by conventional means, food cooked

in this way seemed to have a cancerous effect on the blood. A gag

order was issued on both of these doctors .DR Hertal stood his ground

and fought the decision and the European court of Human rights issued

an order saying the gag order was contrary to the right of Human

expression and Switzerland was ordered to pay compensation.

Personally I have been extensively involved in sharing the Edgar Cayce

information, Spiritual healing and some information on the Rife

machine over the Internet on problems like MS, Parkinsons, Galucoma,

Myasthenia gravis etc. On the issue of M.S.thousands of groups who had

a site on the Internet were contacted including support groups,

hospitals etc. Major foundations and national societies were contacted

as well.

These people have clear mission statements saying for example, for the

treatment, support and research on M.S. The response from thousands of

contacts-only a few even replied with some interest despite numerous

approaches and despite mentioning the clear evidence which the

meridian research institute was getting using the Edgar cayce

therapies.

The next to try was the Myasthenia gravis association which is located

in Derby England, Edgar Cayce gave a couple of readings on this

problem, despite phone calls and letters and e mails including letters

to the chairman not one person came back to me.

I tried a few hundred other M.G. Associations throughout the Internet

and only a very few were interested. The others did not even reply.

Information from Cayce on Glaucoma was also tried, again writing, and

e mailing to many National associations and support groups again with

very little interest. Also tried was posting information on the

discussion forums on the Internet, Many were removed, the " Wills eye

hospital in the USA were highly guilty of this. After this I tried

Cayce on Parkinson's again the same procedure was followed I even

tried writing and e mailing to Baker chairman of the Parkinson's

society in England, she did not even reply. National organisations

were contacted and support groups, the results only about 5% showed

any interest at all. Their reasons can only be guessed at but when

people make claims with clear mission statements for the alleviation

of suffering and don't even bother to enquire or to look into

promising information I put it to you that these organisations- a lot

of charities are diddling the public.

The conclusion: Clearly there are forces out there that would do

anything to protect their interests. Much apathy reigns that is until

the day comes to people where illness happens to them, then perhaps

there is much more interest shown.

Well that point covered we now can move on to a much more positive

approach in dealing with illness and depression specifically.

In , " dianesmithflowers "

<dianesmithflowers@...> wrote:

>

> Hello,

> I just joined. I am new and learning. I do not have a diagnosis

yet.

> But I am waiting to see a specialist. There is a very long wait.

>

> I hope to have a good experience here. I was in another group and

it

> was not pleasent at all.

>

> Diane

>

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In a message dated 2/4/2007 9:03:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

timpani21@... writes:

Does anyone know of any other alternatives... or

maybe a medication that doesn't require daily intake

Yes, there are lots of alternatives to RAI. Please go to our sister site,

iThyroid.com, to learn about nutrition and supplements that will address the

cause of the thyroid imbalance. Killing the thyroid doesn't really solve

anything, as it doesn't address the cause of the illness, and often causes more

problems than it solves, especially over time. Definitely take the

anti-thyroid meds and beta blockers that your doctor can give you, while you

investigate more holistic treatments. (I used nutrition, supplements, and

acupuncture,

as well as taking the meds from the endo, and weaned myself off the meds in

a few months. This was in 1998, and I've been fine since.)

AntJoan