Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

May 21, 2012

ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

thought-out, etc.

Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

track. (me for example)

It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

(natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

affectionate, warm touch.

I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

May 21, 2012

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 22, 2012

I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend. My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and hence inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received a taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which one fits best for your kids.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Moroza-@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

thought-out, etc.

Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

track. (me for example)

It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

(natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

affectionate, warm touch.

I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

May 22, 2012

Missed mentioning that after attending a seminar on Son-Rise, I was given quite a negative feedback about ABA/VB as Raun Kaufman feels that we do want our kids to improve by affection/love/motivation rather than treat them as robots.VarunTo: autism-biomedical-europe From: varun.das@...Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:41:36 +0100Subject: RE: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend. My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and hence inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received a taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which one fits best for your kids.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Moroza-@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

thought-out, etc.

Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

track. (me for example)

It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

(natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

affectionate, warm touch.

I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

May 22, 2012

Hi Varun,

We decided to go with a 6 hour workshop so that parents would have enough time

to learn how to implement the approach, rather than just learn enough to decide

which approach was best. We do have documents on the website to help inform

parents about each workshop/approach (these include a lot of links) so a good

decision can be made. Also, you can write to the presenters, ask them

questions you may have, and let those answers inform your decisions. Their

contact details are also on the documents at TreatingAutism.co.uk

Lots of couples who are attending are having one parent go to one, and one to

another. You can try to do this if you have a close friend as well, and then

compare notes afterwards, help each other out.

Anita

>

> I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend.

>

> My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep

him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time

endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.

>

> My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and hence

inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received a

taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which one

fits best for your kids.

>

> Varun

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Moroza-@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

>

> ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

>

> someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

>

> teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

>

> in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

>

> a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

>

> sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

>

> thought-out, etc.

>

> Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

>

> acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

>

> parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

>

> nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

>

> for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

>

> the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

>

> track. (me for example)

>

> It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

>

> (natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

>

> subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

>

> reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

>

> self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

>

> initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

>

> some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

>

> affectionate, warm touch.

>

> I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

>

> you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

>

> you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

>

> set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

>

> traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

>

> Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

>

May 22, 2012

Hi Anita,Unfortunately I do not have the option to leave our son with anybody else as he only spends time away from us at school which being a weekend is not possible. Both me and my wife would have been interested in attending the conference but with the childcare responsibility only myself would be able to attend.I still feel a taster (introduction session of say 30 min for each of technique) would be beneficial to parents (either at start or end of the workshop) wherein the presenter gives a summarised version so that parents do not feel that they missed something from the conference.Again this is just a suggestion which might be impractical to implement given the huge logistics of arranging the conference venue.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: mysuperteach@...Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 12:53:59 +0000Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

Hi Varun,

We decided to go with a 6 hour workshop so that parents would have enough time to learn how to implement the approach, rather than just learn enough to decide which approach was best. We do have documents on the website to help inform parents about each workshop/approach (these include a lot of links) so a good decision can be made. Also, you can write to the presenters, ask them questions you may have, and let those answers inform your decisions. Their contact details are also on the documents at TreatingAutism.co.uk

Lots of couples who are attending are having one parent go to one, and one to another. You can try to do this if you have a close friend as well, and then compare notes afterwards, help each other out.

Anita

>

> I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend.

>

> My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.

>

> My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and hence inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received a taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which one fits best for your kids.

>

> Varun

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Moroza-@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

>

> ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

>

> someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

>

> teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

>

> in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

>

> a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

>

> sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

>

> thought-out, etc.

>

> Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

>

> acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

>

> parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

>

> nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

>

> for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

>

> the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

>

> track. (me for example)

>

> It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

>

> (natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

>

> subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

>

> reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

>

> self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

>

> initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

>

> some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

>

> affectionate, warm touch.

>

> I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

>

> you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

>

> you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

>

> set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

>

> traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

>

> Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

>

May 22, 2012

VB doesn't have to be like robots at all. We did Son Rise intensive and ran a

Son Rise programme for a couple of years. It did loads for Tom's confidence

after his regression. But we found it hard to teach many life skills/find out

what he knew with Son Rise. We then moved to Growing Minds approach to VB (and

Growing Minds used to work at Son Rise), did two intensives with them (kerching)

and that gave us more tangible growth especially in language. Old style ABA is

not what most people teach these days but in any case a Son Rise approach can be

applied to VB in part. What we found is - joining is well and good (the crux

of Son Rise) but joining in lying down (Tom was and is very low energy much of

the time) didn't communicate to Tom that we were joining him and didn't teach

him much. Other than that we loved to spend time with him, which in itself is

great of course.

Son Rise is very much about having a positive, celebratory attitude and being

motivated by your child's wishes and opinions. I think it's great, it just does

have its limitations with lower energy kids.

>

> Missed mentioning that after attending a seminar on Son-Rise, I was given

quite a negative feedback about ABA/VB as Raun Kaufman feels that we do want our

kids to improve by affection/love/motivation rather than treat them as robots.

>

> Varun

> To: autism-biomedical-europe

> From: varun.das@...

> Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:41:36 +0100

> Subject: RE: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

>

> I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend.

>

> My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep

him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time

endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.

>

> My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and hence

inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received a

taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which one

fits best for your kids.

>

> Varun

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Moroza-@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

>

> ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills. Maybe

>

> someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

>

> teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

>

> in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

>

> a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

>

> sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

>

> thought-out, etc.

>

> Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

>

> acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

>

> parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

>

> nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

>

> for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

>

> the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

>

> track. (me for example)

>

> It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

>

> (natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

>

> subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

>

> reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

>

> self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

>

> initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

>

> some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

>

> affectionate, warm touch.

>

> I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

>

> you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

>

> you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

>

> set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

>

> traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

>

> Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

>

May 22, 2012

These are all really good points Steph and joining in with my son really didn't

do much at all. It is in fact more effective now that we've implemented VB for

a couple years. For any therapy, the effectiveness is hugely dependent on the

therapist. Our VB therapist is the most energetic, kind, playful person you

can imagine and her VB reflects that.

The thing about choosing a therapeutic approach or approaches and then making

them work for your kid is that you have to deal with all of the following:

trying to ensure your kid feels as healthy as he/she can so the therapy is

beneficial

choosing the approach that is in line with what you're hoping your child will

learn, which means you have to be clear on what you want your child to learn,

what is most important to you and where your child's most pressing deficits are

then, if you're trying to teach a lot of different things, you may need

different approaches, which of course means learning about the different

approaches

and once you know that, trying to create therapy that is flexible to your

child's needs and the progress you (hopefully) see

and finding therapists/supervisors that not only know their stuff, but suit your

child's and families needs in regard to personality, scheduling,

input/direction, finances, etc etc.

It is a LOT to do.

Anita

> >

> > Missed mentioning that after attending a seminar on Son-Rise, I was given

quite a negative feedback about ABA/VB as Raun Kaufman feels that we do want our

kids to improve by affection/love/motivation rather than treat them as robots.

> >

> > Varun

> > To: autism-biomedical-europe

> > From: varun.das@

> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:41:36 +0100

> > Subject: RE: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

> >

> > I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend.

> >

> > My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep

him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time

endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.

> >

> > My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and

hence inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received

a taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which

one fits best for your kids.

> >

> > Varun

> >

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > From: Moroza-@

> > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100

> > Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

> >

> > ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills.

Maybe

> >

> > someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

> >

> > teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

> >

> > in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

> >

> > a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

> >

> > sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

> >

> > thought-out, etc.

> >

> > Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

> >

> > acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

> >

> > parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

> >

> > nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

> >

> > for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

> >

> > the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

> >

> > track. (me for example)

> >

> > It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

> >

> > (natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

> >

> > subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

> >

> > reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

> >

> > self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

> >

> > initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

> >

> > some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

> >

> > affectionate, warm touch.

> >

> > I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

> >

> > you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

> >

> > you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

> >

> > set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

> >

> > traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

> >

> > Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

> >

>

May 22, 2012

Hi Varun,

>

> Unfortunately I do not have the option to leave our son with anybody else as

he only spends time away from us at school which being a weekend is not

possible. Both me and my wife would have been interested in attending the

conference but with the childcare responsibility only myself would be able to

attend.

That is how it is for most of us, but I mention it just in case.

>

> I still feel a taster (introduction session of say 30 min for each of

technique) would be beneficial to parents (either at start or end of the

workshop) wherein the presenter gives a summarised version so that parents do

not feel that they missed something from the conference.

>

> Again this is just a suggestion which might be impractical to implement given

the huge logistics of arranging the conference venue.

Yes, I do hear what you're saying, but because of all of our other goals for the

day plus time constraints (the 30 minute intro would actually take 2 hours in

total, leaving insufficient time to give people time to learn enough to take

home and use), that approach wasn't possible. As well, we simply need to know

that each session will have sufficient people, otherwise we may be paying a lot

of money to run a session no one attends. So, we've tried to provide as much

introductory material as possible on the website and give people a chance to

write to the speakers beforehand, which we thought would provide a good

background for making an informed decision.

Anita

May 22, 2012

....and it has its limitations with lower energy parents, too. I watched a

session wiht Henry once and the young woman was little climbing and bouncing off

the walls with him.

Margaret

> >

> > Missed mentioning that after attending a seminar on Son-Rise, I was given

quite a negative feedback about ABA/VB as Raun Kaufman feels that we do want our

kids to improve by affection/love/motivation rather than treat them as robots.

> >

> > Varun

> > To: autism-biomedical-europe

> > From: varun.das@

> > Date: Tue, 22 May 2012 13:41:36 +0100

> > Subject: RE: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

> >

> > I am also in the same dilemma on which one to attend.

> >

> > My son aged 5 is non-verbal and is difficult for us to motivate him and keep

him engrossed in any activity for long. The only thing on which can spend time

endlessly is on songs on computer or playing in park.

> >

> > My wife is a fan of ABA/VB after receiving quite some good feedback and

hence inclined to go for that workshop but would have been good to have received

a taste of each approaches for the parent to decide after the conference which

one fits best for your kids.

> >

> > Varun

> >

> > To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> > From: Moroza-@

> > Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 12:03:43 +0100

> > Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

> >

> > ABA/ VB will work largely on language but also many other skills.

Maybe

> >

> > someone can chip in here. ABA/VB works on rewards so imho is best for

> >

> > teaching things that are externally motivated or are conscious learning

> >

> > in typical children (such as academics or rules - how to use a brake on

> >

> > a bike for example) other people will prob disagree with this. ABA/VB

> >

> > sets targets and measures/ records progress well. It's extremely well

> >

> > thought-out, etc.

> >

> > Intensive Interaction works on the social communication skills a baby

> >

> > acquires in the first year of life (in a natural way) and is based on

> >

> > parent-infant interaction. It doesn't set targets and is playful in

> >

> > nature and easy to do. Some people will be doing it instinctively but

> >

> > for many people it won't be happening because autism will have got in

> >

> > the wa of nature and you need a therapy like this to put you back on

> >

> > track. (me for example)

> >

> > It works on things like: enjoying someone's company, back and forth

> >

> > (natural turn-taking) communication, making and reading increasingly

> >

> > subtle facial expressions and body language, intonation (using and

> >

> > reading), playfulness, a sense of self and others, a growing sense of

> >

> > self-esteem, ability to control arousal and emotions, ability to

> >

> > initiate social interactions (including becoming attention-seeking for

> >

> > some children) and much more, ability to use and understand

> >

> > affectionate, warm touch.

> >

> > I.I. has not been used traditionally with children with Asperger's and

> >

> > you would be pioneers really. I'd probably be interested to help you if

> >

> > you go in this direction, (depending how busy I'll be) but am going to

> >

> > set up some kind of forum soon for parents using I.I. (also

> >

> > traditionally used with professionals and not in families).

> >

> > Sara (trainee II coordinator btw)

> >

>

May 31, 2012

Mandi,Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse rather than improving.I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme inflammation.Anita,Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 31, 2012

Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive, less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training, direction and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager. Intensive Interaction is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with SonRise.

Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

How old is your lad?

Mx

Mandi,Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse rather than improving.I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme inflammation.Anita,Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach. Varun

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 31, 2012

I think from your statement I should go for II to get a feel of that approach. My wife has received good feedback from couple of her friends who do ABA and hence she is keen. I agree that we need good therapists for effective delivery of the program else it is prone to be waste of time and money.My son had been through rigorous (daily) program with Occupational Therapists when he was in India and showed good progress with motoring skills and behaviour, but that level of involvement of therapists in this country will leave me bankrupt. We were hoping to get good amount of OT time in my son's school but realised that it would not be possible as they had a part-time OT for 168 children which they planned to increase to all days in the week. Naturally they had to work on a need basis rather than regular basis with my son because there still is not enough OT time available to look at all children regularly.He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as of now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:36 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive, less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training, direction and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager. Intensive Interaction is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with SonRise.

Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

How old is your lad?

Mx

Mandi,Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse rather than improving.I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme inflammation.Anita,Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach. Varun

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 31, 2012

Missed replying on the TA local support group query. I recently joined TA so do not know whether ther is one. Is there a way to find out ? I am based in Ilford, Essex, Greater London.VarunFrom: varun.das@...To: autism-biomedical-europe Subject: RE: which workshop to choose at conference?Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:36:27 +0100

I think from your statement I should go for II to get a feel of that approach. My wife has received good feedback from couple of her friends who do ABA and hence she is keen. I agree that we need good therapists for effective delivery of the program else it is prone to be waste of time and money.My son had been through rigorous (daily) program with Occupational Therapists when he was in India and showed good progress with motoring skills and behaviour, but that level of involvement of therapists in this country will leave me bankrupt. We were hoping to get good amount of OT time in my son's school but realised that it would not be possible as they had a part-time OT for 168 children which they planned to increase to all days in the week. Naturally they had to work on a need basis rather than regular basis with my son because there still is not enough OT time available to look at all children regularly.He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as of now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:36 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive, less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training, direction and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager. Intensive Interaction is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with SonRise.

Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

How old is your lad?

Mx

Mandi,Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse rather than improving.I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme inflammation.Anita,Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach. Varun

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 31, 2012

Hi ,

There is a list of the local TA support groups on the TA website.There are some

in London and hoping to start one in Essex in the very near future.

Hth Nina ( I am in Billericay, Essex and let me know if I can help )

>

> Missed replying on the TA local support group query. I recently joined TA so

do not know whether ther is one. Is there a way to find out ?

>

> I am based in Ilford, Essex, Greater London.

>

> Varun

>

> From: varun.das@...

> To: autism-biomedical-europe

> Subject: RE: which workshop to choose at

conference?

> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 11:36:27 +0100

>

> I think from your statement I should go for II to get a feel of that approach.

My wife has received good feedback from couple of her friends who do ABA and

hence she is keen. I agree that we need good therapists for effective delivery

of the program else it is prone to be waste of time and money.

>

> My son had been through rigorous (daily) program with Occupational Therapists

when he was in India and showed good progress with motoring skills and

behaviour, but that level of involvement of therapists in this country will

leave me bankrupt. We were hoping to get good amount of OT time in my son's

school but realised that it would not be possible as they had a part-time OT for

168 children which they planned to increase to all days in the week. Naturally

they had to work on a need basis rather than regular basis with my son because

there still is not enough OT time available to look at all children regularly.

>

> He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as of now is that he

spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will

be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes

quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy

for him to stop this.

>

> Varun

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Mum231ASD@...

> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:36 -0400

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

>

> Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs

> are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive,

> less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training, direction

> and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager. Intensive

Interaction

> is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with SonRise.

>

> Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with

> programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

>

> Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and

> has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

>

> How old is your lad?

>

> Mx

>

> In a message dated 31/05/2012 10:59:32 GMT Daylight Time,

> varun.das@... writes:

>

> Mandi,

>

> Do you recommend trying different programs to see

> which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning

> to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get

volunteers

> to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son

being

> non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in

> school/park.

>

> Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of

> all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts

> becoming worse rather than improving.

>

> I already had an experience with

> the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it

> difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme

> inflammation.

>

> Anita,

> Is there any option to change the workshop

> topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to

> explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends

> about the success with that approach.

> Varun

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From:

> Mum231ASD@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400

> Subject: Re:

> which workshop to choose at

> conference?

>

> RDI & II

> sounds more suited than ABA to me

> Mx

>

> In a message dated 21/05/2012 11:04:35 GMT Daylight Time,

> alexhuggins66@... writes:

>

> My husband and I will be attending the conference in

> September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills,

> interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we

> should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to

choose

> from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly

> isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you

> tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully

received.

>

May 31, 2012

The other thing I would suggest is googling and seeing what you can find out

about the various approaches on the internet. You Tube can be a good source of

clips of session work. Also, as your wife will be organising/doing a lot of the

work herself it's essential that the approach chosen is one she feel happy with.

Margaret

>

> Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs

> are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive,

> less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training,

> direction and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager.

Intensive

> Interaction is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with

> SonRise.

>

> Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with

> programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

>

> Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and

> has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

>

> How old is your lad?

>

> Mx

>

> In a message dated 31/05/2012 10:59:32 GMT Daylight Time,

> varun.das@... writes:

>

> Mandi,

>

> Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have

> not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA

> therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement

with

> her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal

> finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.

>

> Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as

> it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse

> rather than improving.

>

> I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics

> cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing

> the extreme inflammation.

>

> Anita,

> Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at

> this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not

> heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that

> approach.

> Varun

>

> ____________________________________

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Mum231ASD@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

> conference?

>

> RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

> Mx

>

> In a message dated 21/05/2012 11:04:35 GMT Daylight Time,

> alexhuggins66@... writes:

>

> My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is

> Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he

> doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us

> will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other.

> Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants

> to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to

> which therapy to go for gratefully received.

>

May 31, 2012

>

> Anita,

> Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this

moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any

feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach.

>

> Varun

Hi Varun,

If people change their mind about workshop choice they can email the charity and

ask us to change. Right now that wouldn't be a problem; however, later on it

may not be easy to do if the workshops fill up. Numbers are limited by the

chairs in the rooms we've booked and the conference tickets are selling very

quickly.

Anita

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> From: Mum231ASD@...

> Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400

> Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at

conference?

>

> RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

> Mx

>

> In a message dated 21/05/2012 11:04:35 GMT Daylight Time,

> alexhuggins66@... writes:

>

> My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is

> Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he

doesnt

> know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go

> to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son

is

> soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is

play

> computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go

> for gratefully received.

>

May 31, 2012

Presentation on RDI by Mum and Consultant Kathy Darrow

Zoe just posted this on FB but link is down right now, its the Autism One conference presentation www.autismmone.org that might help you decide

Mandi x

I think from your statement I should go for II to get a feel of that approach. My wife has received good feedback from couple of her friends who do ABA and hence she is keen. I agree that we need good therapists for effective delivery of the program else it is prone to be waste of time and money.My son had been through rigorous (daily) program with Occupational Therapists when he was in India and showed good progress with motoring skills and behaviour, but that level of involvement of therapists in this country will leave me bankrupt. We were hoping to get good amount of OT time in my son's school but realised that it would not be possible as they had a part-time OT for 168 children which they planned to increase to all days in the week. Naturally they had to work on a need basis rather than regular basis with my son because there still is not enough OT time available to look at all children regularly.He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as o f now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.Varun

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 06:11:36 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

Any 1:1 will help delivered well and some of the most successful programs are those that use a variety of things. Both ABA and RDI are very expensive, less so if you can get good volunteers but they still need training, direction and regular updating from supervisor or programme manager. Intensive Interaction is cheap and very doable, the child leads as it does with SonRise.

Do you have a TA local support group? Visiting several other families with programs up and running is a good way to get a feel.

Sara on here has done ABA and RDI before II so she has good overview and has changed programmes to meet need of her son.

How old is your lad?

Mx

Mandi,Do you recommend trying different programs to see which one helps ? I have not started ABA with my son but my wife is planning to get an ABA therapist to do the initial consultation and then get volunteers to implement with her. My wife is suggesting that I go for RDI as my son being non-verbal finds it almost impossible to socialise with other kids in school/park.Obviously I do not want to complicate by using mixture of all therapies as it becomes very difficult to diagnose if behaviour starts becoming worse rather than improving.I already had an experience with the supplements/anti-virals/antibiotics cocktail where even Dr. G found it difficult to pin-point what was causing the extreme inflammation.Anita,Is there any option to change the workshop topic after the payment as at this moment I am inclined to go for RDI to explore it deeper as I have not heard any feedback from any close friends about the success with that approach. Varun

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 07:39:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

RDI & II sounds more suited than ABA to me

Mx

My husband and I will be attending the conference in September. Our son is Aspergers and needs help with social skills, interacting with people he doesnt know. Am wondering which workshops we should choose to go. One of us will go to RDI but wondering which to choose from II and ABA for the other. Our son is soon to be 14 and increasingly isolated at school. All he wants to do is play computer games, be on you tube and read. Any input as to which therapy to go for gratefully received.

May 31, 2012

and some other folks here use Hemispheres they address retained primitive reflexes and all sorts on the OT side and they teach you to do it at home, could be an option for daily treatment especially as he was doing so well with it before.

http://www.hemispheres.org.uk/

I have never been but others will chip in, we used Bob The brushing man for my lads RPReflexes, others have used INPP, some of these incorporate Brain Gym, sounds like a good focus for your effects whilst you research various educational therapy options for your lad

http://www.inpp.org.uk/

HANDLE is great and WIlliams does a very reasonable 2 day introduction which usually starts with a free lecture if you have one going on near you. This was helping Sam I am sure, we pulled back on that programme as I couldn't cope with Scotson Therapy and HANDLE at the same time, we still do bits of it at home and school but haven't been back for a review in 2 years which I should organise now I thought about how long ago it was, again folks here use HANDLE, Sandys lass did very well with it

http://handle.org/

As somebody else suggested search on youtube, lots of video's about therapies on there

That should keep you put of mischief for a while LOL

Mandi x

My son had been through rigorous (daily) program with Occupational Therapists when he was in India and showed good progress with motoring skills and behaviour, but that level of involvement of therapists in this country will leave me bankrupt. We were hoping to get good amount of OT time in my son's school but realised that it would not be possible as they had a part-time OT for 168 children which they planned to increase to all days in the week. Naturally they had to work on a need basis rather than regular basis with my son because there still is not enough OT time available to look at all children regularly.

May 31, 2012

That's a tricky one, Sam's dribbling went away with MB12/chelation so hopefully that will help

Sounds as if he is good at it and I can imagine its in some way quite soothing to him sensory wise.

Hope you find some answers soon

Mx

He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as o f now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.

May 31, 2012

My son is already on Chelation (DMSA+ALA) and is on MB12 injections together with the drops (hydroxycobalamin and methylcobalamin). I did confirm from Dr. G that the toxicity from drops can be ignored at low dosages even for longer period of time. Now the mission is to find some source from where I can get MB12 injections when I run out of the 10 odd injections I have in stock.The odd behaviour is definitely sensory in nature and is one of the things which my son does with perfect concentration like the bottle jugglers. I just wish he applied this level of concentration to some tasks which we want him to do (:-VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:15:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

That's a tricky one, Sam's dribbling went away with MB12/chelation so hopefully that will help

Sounds as if he is good at it and I can imagine its in some way quite soothing to him sensory wise.

Hope you find some answers soon

Mx

He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as o f now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.

May 31, 2012

Are yo using any mitochondrial support - co enzymes Q10 and and carnitine. Most of the problems my son has left are down to sensory integration - Through yasko I understand this can increase with detox due to rise in glutamate - something to consider.

Dr G recommended the mito support for us. We are only using very low dose at the moment and building up. We quickly saw improvements especially around speech - he started waling around the house making sounds he has never been able to do such as h, ch and sh - literally walking around repeating them. His outreach support worker at school also noticed and they are not aware of our interventions.

On researching mito support in autism I've been really surprised in the sensory integration indications of it.He has also slept through for last 3 out of 4 nights- never been known (hope i've not tempted fate here)!

I was concerned that he would have more energy as it seemed he already had more than enough - Dr G said it was not proper energy.BWAlison R

My son is already on Chelation (DMSA+ALA) and is on MB12 injections together with the drops (hydroxycobalamin and methylcobalamin). I did confirm from Dr. G that the toxicity from drops can be ignored at low dosages even for longer period of time. Now the mission is to find some source from where I can get MB12 injections when I run out of the 10 odd injections I have in stock.

The odd behaviour is definitely sensory in nature and is one of the things which my son does with perfect concentration like the bottle jugglers. I just wish he applied this level of concentration to some tasks which we want him to do (:-

VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...

Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:15:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

That's a tricky one, Sam's dribbling went away with MB12/chelation so hopefully that will help

Sounds as if he is good at it and I can imagine its in some way quite soothing to him sensory wise.

Hope you find some answers soon

Mx

He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as o f now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.

May 31, 2012

Dr. G recommended http://www.jarrow.com/product/438/Q-absorb for my son. We have been using this for last 4 months and plan to continue with it for some time.VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: rowbotham.alison@...Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 00:18:39 +0100Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

Are yo using any mitochondrial support - co enzymes Q10 and and carnitine. Most of the problems my son has left are down to sensory integration - Through yasko I understand this can increase with detox due to rise in glutamate - something to consider.

Dr G recommended the mito support for us. We are only using very low dose at the moment and building up. We quickly saw improvements especially around speech - he started waling around the house making sounds he has never been able to do such as h, ch and sh - literally walking around repeating them. His outreach support worker at school also noticed and they are not aware of our interventions.

On researching mito support in autism I've been really surprised in the sensory integration indications of it.He has also slept through for last 3 out of 4 nights- never been known (hope i've not tempted fate here)!

I was concerned that he would have more energy as it seemed he already had more than enough - Dr G said it was not proper energy.BWAlison R

My son is already on Chelation (DMSA+ALA) and is on MB12 injections together with the drops (hydroxycobalamin and methylcobalamin). I did confirm from Dr. G that the toxicity from drops can be ignored at low dosages even for longer period of time. Now the mission is to find some source from where I can get MB12 injections when I run out of the 10 odd injections I have in stock.

The odd behaviour is definitely sensory in nature and is one of the things which my son does with perfect concentration like the bottle jugglers. I just wish he applied this level of concentration to some tasks which we want him to do (:-

VarunTo: Autism-Biomedical-Europe From: Mum231ASD@...

Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 17:15:26 -0400Subject: Re: which workshop to choose at conference?

That's a tricky one, Sam's dribbling went away with MB12/chelation so hopefully that will help

Sounds as if he is good at it and I can imagine its in some way quite soothing to him sensory wise.

Hope you find some answers soon

Mx

He is 5.5 years old. His biggest problematic behaviour as o f now is that he spews saliva from his mouth creating a giant bubble which for an outsider will be equivalent to spitting as he sheds the saliva on the ground when it becomes quite voluminous. Teachers in his school are struggling to implement a strategy for him to stop this.

May 31, 2012

Hi Varun,

I help with TA local groups and as Nina has said Billercay will probably be the

nearest to you.

As you have just joined we will put your email on our list to invite you to the

next meeting when we have a date.

We also advertise support meetings on this group.

These meetings are a great way of finding out what others are doing and getting

more knowledge.

Sue