Re: Copper , Modified citrus pectin and Pleo-chelate

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Thanks Mandi and Kenny for your comments. The hair test does not meet the counting rules. From what i checked, it almost met rule 2 and 3 if that makes sense; so for instance where it says in rule 2 : there should be 4 or more that extend to the red sections, in our case, 3 extend to the red sections. then for rule 3 where it says 11 or less should be average, we have 12 average, but one of the 12 is exactly on the border (iodine is 0.25 and the range is 0.25 to 1.3). I am probably not making sense anymore; I will scan the hair test result and upload it to the file section.Please I have another question: my homeopath is recommending that I give my son (he will be 5 in July) modified citrus pectin for gentle detox. Please does anyone know

anything about this Modified citrus pectin? Is it safe to use on a child who could be mercury toxic. What about Pleo-chelate? Is it any good? Thanks very much Sylvia To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Copper

If the hair test meets the counting rules you cannot be sure the copper is actually low, Hg causes disordered mineral transport. I know a few folks who have supped a bit and they said Kirkman Copper sebacate (?sp) was best (one was adult aspie who could explain howi t made him feel better)

Mx

Hi,So we have just received the results of hair test from doctor’s data and DS (4year old) hair shows that he has low copper. Please have you ever supplemented copper? If you have supplemented copper, please what was your experience and did you see any benefits and for how long did you supplement?Also, please has anyone used the supplement flavorosan to supplement copper and what was your experience?Thanks in advance for any comments.

Sylvia

OUR RESULT REFERENCE INTERVAL Aluminum (Al) 21 < 8.0 Antimony (Sb) 0.24 < 0.066 Arsenic (As) 0.073 < 0.080 Barium (Ba) 0.40 < 0.50 Beryllium (Be) < 0.01 < 0.020 Bismuth (Bi) 0.040 < 2.0 Cadmium (Cd) 0.024 < 0.070 Lead (Pb) 1.2 < 1.0 Mercury (Hg) 0.12 < 0.40 Platinum (Pt) < 0.003 < 0.005 Thallium (Tl) 0.001 < 0.002 Thorium (Th) < 0.001 < 0.002 Uranium (U) 0.021 < 0.060 Nickel (Ni) 0.14 < 0.20 Silver (Ag) 0.01 < 0.20 Tin (Sn) 0.73 < 0.30 Titanium (Ti) 0.20 < 1.0 TT RESULT REFERENCE INTERVAL Calcium (Ca) 846 125- 370 Magnesium (Mg) 37 12- 30 Sodium (Na) 140 20- 200 Potassium (K) 420 12- 200 Copper (Cu) 8.4 11- 18 Zinc (Zn) 150 100- 190 Manganese (Mn) 0.23 0.10- 0.50 Chromium (Cr) 0.64 0.43- 0.80 Vanadium (V) 0.033 0.030- 0.10 Molybdenum (Mo) 0.14 0.050- 0.13 Boron ( 3.8 0.70- 5.0 Iodine (I) 0.25 0.25- 1.3 Lithium (Li) 0.022 0.007- 0.020 Phosphorus (P) 184 150- 220 Selenium (Se) 0.67 0.70- 1.1 Strontium (Sr) 1.8 0.16- 1.0 Sulfur (S) 46600 45500- 53000 Cobalt (Co) 0.010 0.004- 0.020 Iron (Fe) 9.7 7.0- 16 Germanium (Ge) 0.029 0.030- 0.040 Rubidium (Rb) 0.32 0.016- 0.18 Zirconium (Zr) 0.056 0.040- 1.0 SPECIMEN DATA RATIOS ELEMENTS RATIOS RANGE Ca/Mg 22.9 4- 30 Ca/P 4.6 0.8- 8 Na/K 0.333 0.5- 10 Zn/Cu 17.9 4- 20 Zn/Cd > 999 > 800

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MCP won't do him any harm and might do good, I do regular chelation low frequent dosing with DMSA and ALA so have no clue about homeopathic ones sorry

Mx

Thanks Mandi and Kenny for your comments. The hair test does not meet the counting rules. From what i checked, it almost met rule 2 and 3 if that makes sense; so for instance where it says in rule 2 : there should be 4 or more that extend to the red sections, in our case, 3 extend to the red sections. then for rule 3 where it says 11 or less should be average, we have 12 average, but one of the 12 is exactly on the border (iodine is 0.25 and the range is 0.25 to 1.3). I am probably not making sense anymore; I will scan the hair test result and upload it to the file section.

Please I have another question: my homeopath is recommending that I give my son (he will be 5 in July) modified citrus pectin for gentle detox. Please does anyone know anything about this Modified citrus pectin? Is it safe to use on a child who could be mercury toxic. What about Pleo-chelate? Is it any good?

Thanks very much

Sylvia

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:26 PMSubject: Re: Copper

If the hair test meets the counting rules you cannot be sure the copper is actually low, Hg causes disordered mineral transport. I know a few folks who have supped a bit and they said Kirkman Copper sebacate (?sp) was best (one was adult aspie who could explain howi t made him feel better)

Mx

Hi,So we have just received the results of hair test from doctor’s data and DS (4year old) hair shows that he has low copper. Please have you ever supplemented copper? If you have supplemented copper, please what was your experience and did you see any benefits and for how long did you supplement?Also, please has anyone used the supplement flavorosan to supplement copper and what was your experience?Thanks in advance for any comments.

Sylvia

OUR RESULT REFERENCE INTERVAL

Aluminum (Al) 21 < 8.0

Antimony (Sb) 0.24 < 0.066

Arsenic (As) 0.073 < 0.080

Barium (Ba) 0.40 < 0.50

Beryllium (Be) < 0.01 < 0.020

Bismuth (Bi) 0.040 < 2.0

Cadmium (Cd) 0.024 < 0.070

Lead (Pb) 1.2 < 1.0

Mercury (Hg) 0.12 < 0.40

Platinum (Pt) < 0.003 < 0.005

Thallium (Tl) 0.001 < 0.002

Thorium (Th) < 0.001 < 0.002

Uranium (U) 0.021 < 0.060

Nickel (Ni) 0.14 < 0.20

Silver (Ag) 0.01 < 0.20

Tin (Sn) 0.73 < 0.30

Titanium (Ti) 0.20 < 1.0

TT

RESULT REFERENCE INTERVAL

Calcium (Ca) 846 125- 370

Magnesium (Mg) 37 12- 30

Sodium (Na) 140 20- 200

Potassium (K) 420 12- 200

Copper (Cu) 8.4 11- 18

Zinc (Zn) 150 100- 190

Manganese (Mn) 0.23 0.10- 0.50

Chromium (Cr) 0.64 0.43- 0.80

Vanadium (V) 0.033 0.030- 0.10

Molybdenum (Mo) 0.14 0.050- 0.13

Boron ( 3.8 0.70- 5.0

Iodine (I) 0.25 0.25- 1.3

Lithium (Li) 0.022 0.007- 0.020

Phosphorus (P) 184 150- 220

Selenium (Se) 0.67 0.70- 1.1

Strontium (Sr) 1.8 0.16- 1.0

Sulfur (S) 46600 45500- 53000

Cobalt (Co) 0.010 0.004- 0.020

Iron (Fe) 9.7 7.0- 16

Germanium (Ge) 0.029 0.030- 0.040

Rubidium (Rb) 0.32 0.016- 0.18

Zirconium (Zr) 0.056 0.040- 1.0

SPECIMEN DATA RATIOS

ELEMENTS RATIOS RANGE

Ca/Mg 22.9 4- 30

Ca/P 4.6 0.8- 8

Na/K 0.333 0.5- 10

Zn/Cu 17.9 4- 20

Zn/Cd > 999 > 800

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Thanks Mandi. I will give MCP a try.Sylvia x

MCP won't do him any harm and might do good, I do regular chelation low frequent dosing with DMSA and ALA so have no clue about homeopathic ones sorry

Mx

Thanks Mandi and Kenny for your comments. The hair test does not meet the counting rules. From what i checked, it almost met rule 2 and 3 if that makes sense; so for instance where it says in rule 2 : there should be 4 or more that extend to the red sections, in our case, 3 extend to the red sections. then for rule 3 where it says 11 or less should be average, we have 12 average, but one of the 12 is exactly on the border (iodine is 0.25 and the range is 0.25 to 1.3). I am probably not making sense anymore; I will scan the hair test result and upload it to the file section.

Please I have another question: my homeopath is recommending that I give my son (he will be 5 in July) modified citrus pectin for gentle detox. Please does anyone know anything about this Modified citrus pectin? Is it safe to use on a child who could be mercury toxic. What about Pleo-chelate? Is it any good?

Thanks very much

Sylvia

To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:26 PMSubject: Re: Copper

If the hair test meets the counting rules you cannot be sure the copper is actually low, Hg causes disordered mineral transport. I know a few folks who have supped a bit and they said Kirkman Copper sebacate (?sp) was best (one was adult aspie who could explain howi t made him feel better)

Mx

Hi,So we have just received the results of hair test from doctor’s data and DS (4year old) hair shows that he has low copper. Please have you ever supplemented copper? If you have supplemented copper, please what was your experience and did you see any benefits and for how long did you supplement?Also, please has anyone used the supplement flavorosan to supplement copper and what was your experience?Thanks in advance for any comments.

Sylvia

OUR RESULT REFERENCE INTERVAL

Aluminum (Al) 21 < 8.0

Antimony (Sb) 0.24 < 0.066

Arsenic (As) 0.073 < 0.080

Barium (Ba) 0.40 < 0.50

Beryllium (Be) < 0.01 < 0.020

Bismuth (Bi) 0.040 < 2.0

Cadmium (Cd) 0.024 < 0.070

Lead (Pb) 1.2 < 1.0

Mercury (Hg) 0.12 < 0.40

Platinum (Pt) < 0.003 < 0.005

Thallium (Tl) 0.001 < 0.002

Thorium (Th) < 0.001 < 0.002

Uranium (U) 0.021 < 0.060

Nickel (Ni) 0.14 < 0.20

Silver (Ag) 0.01 < 0.20

Tin (Sn) 0.73 < 0.30

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Hi Sylvia

Missing 2 counting rules by 1, i.e. 3 in the red and 12 in the middle meets a

counting rule in itself, if this makes any sense, so there may still be a strong

possibility of mercury toxicity.

Cheers

Kenny

>

> Thanks Mandi and Kenny for your comments. The hair test does not meet the

counting rules. From what i checked, it almost met rule  2 and 3 if that makes

sense; so for instance where it says in rule 2 : there should be 4 or more that

extend to the red sections, in our case, 3 extend to the red sections. then for

rule 3 where it says 11 or less should be average, we have 12 average, but one

of the 12 is exactly on the border (iodine is 0.25 and the range is 0.25 to

1.3). I am probably not making sense anymore; I will scan the hair test result

and upload it to the file section.

>

> Please I have another question:  my homeopath is recommending that I give my

son (he will be 5 in July) modified citrus pectin for gentle detox. Please does

anyone know anything about this Modified citrus pectin?  Is it safe to use on a

child who could be mercury toxic. What about Pleo-chelate? Is it any good? 

>

> Thanks very much 

> Sylvia

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe

> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:26 PM

> Subject: Re: Copper

>

>

>  

> If the hair test meets the counting rules you cannot be sure the copper is

> actually low, Hg causes disordered mineral transport. I know a few folks who

> have supped a bit and they said Kirkman Copper sebacate (?sp) was best (one

was

> adult aspie who could explain howi t made him feel better) 

> Mx

>  

> In a message dated 24/05/2012 17:56:31 GMT Daylight Time,

> syl.onye@... writes:

>  

> >Hi,

> >

> >So we have just received the results of

> hair test from doctor’s data and DS (4year old) hair shows that he

has

> low copper.

> >Please have you ever supplemented copper? If you have supplemented copper,

please what was your experience and did you see any benefits and for how long

did you supplement?

> >Also, please has anyone used the supplement flavorosan to

> supplement copper and what was your experience?

> >Thanks in advance for any comments.

> >Sylvia

> > 

> >OUR

RESULT                                     \

                          REFERENCE INTERVAL

> >Aluminum (Al) 21

                                        \

       < 8.0

> >Antimony (Sb) 0.24

                                        \

    < 0.066

> >Arsenic (As)

0.073                                     Â\

 Â Â Â Â Â Â  < 0.080

> >Barium (Ba) 0.40

                                        \

        < 0.50

> >Beryllium (Be) < 0.01

                                        <

0.020

> >Bismuth (Bi) 0.040

                                        \

     < 2.0

> >Cadmium (Cd) 0.024

                                        

< 0.070

> >Lead (Pb) 1.2

                                        \

              < 1.0

> >Mercury (Hg)

0.12                                      \

         < 0.40

> >Platinum (Pt) < 0.003

                                        <

0.005

> >Thallium (Tl) 0.001

                                        \

     < 0.002

> >Thorium (Th) <

0.001                                     Â\

 Â Â  < 0.002

> >Uranium (U) 0.021

                                        \

     < 0.060

> >Nickel (Ni) 0.14

                                        \

           < 0.20

> >Silver (Ag) 0.01

                                        \

           < 0.20

> >Tin (Sn)

0.73                                      \

                   < 0.30

> >Titanium (Ti) 0.20

                                        \

       < 1.0

> >TT

> >RESULT

                                        \

                        REFERENCE INTERVAL

> >Calcium (Ca) 846

                                        \

       125- 370

> >Magnesium (Mg) 37

                                        \

  12- 30

> >Sodium (Na) 140

                                        \

        20- 200

> >Potassium (K) 420

                                        \

    12- 200

> >Copper (Cu) 8.4

                                        \

          11- 18

> >Zinc (Zn) 150

                                        \

               100- 190

> >Manganese (Mn)

0.23                                      \

  0.10- 0.50

> >Chromium (Cr) 0.64

                                        \

  0.43- 0.80

> >Vanadium (V) 0.033

                                        \

  0.030- 0.10

> >Molybdenum (Mo) 0.14

                                     0.050-

0.13

> >Boron ( 3.8

                                        \

               0.70- 5.0

> >Iodine (I) 0.25

                                        \

              0.25- 1.3

> >Lithium (Li) 0.022

                                        \

       0.007- 0.020

> >Phosphorus (P) 184

                                        \

  150- 220

> >Selenium (Se) 0.67

                                        \

    0.70- 1.1

> >Strontium (Sr) 1.8

                                        \

      0.16- 1.0

> >Sulfur (S) 46600

                                        \

         45500- 53000

> >Cobalt (Co) 0.010

                                        \

       0.004- 0.020

> >Iron (Fe) 9.7

                                        \

                 7.0- 16

> >Germanium (Ge) 0.029

                                     0.030-

0.040

> >Rubidium (Rb) 0.32

                                        \

    0.016- 0.18

> >Zirconium (Zr) 0.056

                                        

0.040- 1.0

> >SPECIMEN DATA RATIOS

> >ELEMENTS

RATIOS                                   

RANGE

> >Ca/Mg 22.9

                                        \

  4- 30

> >Ca/P 4.6

                                        \

       0.8- 8

> >Na/K 0.333

                                        \

   0.5- 10

> >Zn/Cu 17.9

                                        \

   4- 20

> >Zn/Cd > 999                         

               > 800

> >

>