Re: Bacteria and anti-biotics

[Guest guest]

Very good detective work . I'm glad you shared this.

Anita

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> We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found we

have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:

>

> DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated

> 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine

> HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)

> Ammonia and urea high

> Nitrites high in urine test

> High taurine

> High lactate

> High succinic

> High Alkaline phosphatase in blood

>

> We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural

anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.

>

> I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious background

that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or gram

negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of the

above

>

> What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one of

them fell into the same category (bar one):

>

> gram negative anaerobic baccilli

>

> On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and which

had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different categories

of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful that an

obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

>

> On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out

all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !

>

> Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have had

same experience

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes well done for working all that out! So what is the antibiotic that is

going to work, do you mind sharing with us all?

Nikki

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> > We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found

we have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:

> >

> > DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated

> > 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine

> > HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)

> > Ammonia and urea high

> > Nitrites high in urine test

> > High taurine

> > High lactate

> > High succinic

> > High Alkaline phosphatase in blood

> >

> > We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural

anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.

> >

> > I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious

background that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or

gram negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of

the above

> >

> > What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one

of them fell into the same category (bar one):

> >

> > gram negative anaerobic baccilli

> >

> > On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and

which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different

categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful

that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

> >

> > On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out

all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !

> >

> > Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have

had same experience

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Not yet will find out soon though - I guess the thing is it is pointless trying any old anti-biotic - you need to know exactly what category and type of bacteria your patient has, and then target it exactly, otherwise you will be wasting your time...!

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:15:38 +0000> Subject: Re: Bacteria and anti-biotics> > > Yes well done for working all that out! So what is the antibiotic that is going to work, do you mind sharing with us all?> > Nikki > > > > > >> > > We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found we have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:> > > > > > DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated> > > 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine> > > HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)> > > Ammonia and urea high> > > Nitrites high in urine test> > > High taurine> > > High lactate> > > High succinic> > > High Alkaline phosphatase in blood> > > > > > We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.> > > > > > I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious background that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or gram negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of the above> > > > > > What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one of them fell into the same category (bar one):> > > > > > gram negative anaerobic baccilli> > > > > > On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.> > > > > > On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !> > > > > > Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have had same experience> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is very interesting, thank you. I should be interested to hear which

antibiotics would work in this case.

Margaret

> >

> > We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found

we have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:

> >

> > DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated

> > 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine

> > HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)

> > Ammonia and urea high

> > Nitrites high in urine test

> > High taurine

> > High lactate

> > High succinic

> > High Alkaline phosphatase in blood

> >

> > We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural

anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.

> >

> > I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious

background that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or

gram negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of

the above

> >

> > What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one

of them fell into the same category (bar one):

> >

> > gram negative anaerobic baccilli

> >

> > On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and

which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different

categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful

that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

> >

> > On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out

all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !

> >

> > Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have

had same experience

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

you are such a smart cookie!I bet Dr G feels like taking the day off when you are on his list lol!I had honestly never even thought to check this so thanks for sharing.Lis :-)

Not yet will find out soon though - I guess the thing is it is pointless trying any old anti-biotic - you need to know exactly what category and type of bacteria your patient has, and then target it exactly, otherwise you will be wasting your time...!

> To: Autism-Biomedical-Europe > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 13:15:38 +0000> Subject: Re: Bacteria and anti-biotics> > > Yes well done for working all that out! So what is the antibiotic that is going to work, do you mind sharing with us all?> > Nikki > > > > > >> > > We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found we have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:> > > > > > DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated> > > 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine> > > HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)> > > Ammonia and urea high> > > Nitrites high in urine test> > > High taurine> > > High lactate> > > High succinic> > > High Alkaline phosphatase in blood> > > > > > We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.> > > > > > I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious background that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or gram negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of the above> > > > > > What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one of them fell into the same category (bar one):> > > > > > gram negative anaerobic baccilli> > > > > > On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.> > > > > > On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !> > > > > > Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have had same experience> > > > > > > > >> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > DISCLAIMER> No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice. If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified practitioner.>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for sharing your findings. We have this test done

by a German company 2 years ago (posting samples was not easy btw)and found

nothing unusual(did not believe the negative result) I would really like to have

it done again-what lab did you use?

Cheers

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> We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and found we

have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:

>

> DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated

> 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine

> HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)

> Ammonia and urea high

> Nitrites high in urine test

> High taurine

> High lactate

> High succinic

> High Alkaline phosphatase in blood

>

> We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural

anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.

>

> I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious background

that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or gram

negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of the

above

>

> What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every one of

them fell into the same category (bar one):

>

> gram negative anaerobic baccilli

>

> On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and which

had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different categories

of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful that an

obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

>

> On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe out

all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !

>

> Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have had

same experience

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, Would you mind revealing whether the useless antibiotics were prescribed privately or by the NHS. C...... On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

> Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others have had same experience

>

>

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[Guest guest]

....and cash also!....plus you will be disturbing the gut microbiome with

antibiotics that aren't working on what you are using them for...

N x

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> > > > We have done metametrix and genova stool tests to check bacteria and

found we have a lot of bacteria, but also additional bacterial markers eg:

> > > >

> > > > DHPPA (proprionic acid) slightly elevated

> > > > 3 amino acids high: aspartic/ glutamic/ cysteine

> > > > HVA/VMA ratio is 2:1 (so not high but elevated, 4:1 being cut-off)

> > > > Ammonia and urea high

> > > > Nitrites high in urine test

> > > > High taurine

> > > > High lactate

> > > > High succinic

> > > > High Alkaline phosphatase in blood

> > > >

> > > > We have been prescribed a variety of anti-biotics and also natural

anti-biotics but the levels have not changed.

> > > >

> > > > I finally had time to look into this and learned the fairly obvious

background that bacteria can be classified into about 8 types: gram postiive or

gram negative, aerobic or anaerobic, coccus or baccilli and all permutations of

the above

> > > >

> > > > What was very surprising was when I listed all Sophia's bacteria every

one of them fell into the same category (bar one):

> > > >

> > > > gram negative anaerobic baccilli

> > > >

> > > > On the bad side, re all the anti-biotics etc we had been prescribed and

which had done nothing: it is not surprising as they are all for different

categories of bacteria, mainly gram positive coccus. It seems to me disgraceful

that an obvious thing like this wasnt picked up.

> > > >

> > > > On the good side, it should mean we can pinpoint ONE anti-biotic to wipe

out all the gram negative anaerobic baccilli in one go !

> > > >

> > > > Just thought I would share this as it might help others/ maybe others

have had same experience

> > > >

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> > DISCLAIMER

> > No information contained in this post is to be construed as medical advice.

If you need medical advice, please seek it from a suitably qualified

practitioner.

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