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Dear Meg,

You are going to make it. The burning is a NEUROLOGIC symptom and will come

and go kind of as is pleases. The best thing to do is to try to get some

rest. When all else fails the best thing to do is to treat the symptoms. Ask

you doc if there is something he can give you to help you get some rest.

Below is a great symptom list that might make you feel better. Hang in

there.

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On 6/16/05, abe_n_meg <abenmeg@...> wrote:

> It's Meg again. I feel like I have been posting so much, people will

> think I'm joking. But I'm not. It's now 3:14 a.m. and I'm still up.

> The insomnia is unbearable.

> But here is my question: Does anyone get a " burning " sensation in

> BOTH hands and feet? This has just started the day after I stopped my

> doxy. It is almost bilateral. It burns so badly, I can't sleep.

> Also, my limbs feel " disconnected " sometimes. I am terrified this is

> not lyme, but something worse. Or is this just another stage of

> lyme? Like I said before, I have already run the gamit of lyme

> symptoms with this thing before this occurred.

> But this one, in particular, is scaring the **** out of me.

> Please send reassurance, especially about the bilateral burning in

> limbs.

> Thanks,

> Meg

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Not sure if you have any problems with Benadryl, but folks who can't take

tranquillizers will sometimes

benefit from a Benadryl. For some reason, it helps them sleep. My sister is

allergic to everything...or close to it

If she takes a tranquillizer, it wakes her up. So the doctor prescribed her

Benadryl, just regular, over the counter

Benadryl. And it worked like a charm. Even a piece of one tablet, or a half

dosage, or a quarter of a dosage.

..

[ ] terrified

It's Meg again. I feel like I have been posting so much, people will

think I'm joking. But I'm not. It's now 3:14 a.m. and I'm still up.

The insomnia is unbearable.

But here is my question: Does anyone get a " burning " sensation in

BOTH hands and feet? This has just started the day after I stopped my

doxy. It is almost bilateral. It burns so badly, I can't sleep.

Also, my limbs feel " disconnected " sometimes. I am terrified this is

not lyme, but something worse. Or is this just another stage of

lyme? Like I said before, I have already run the gamit of lyme

symptoms with this thing before this occurred.

But this one, in particular, is scaring the **** out of me.

Please send reassurance, especially about the bilateral burning in

limbs.

Thanks,

Meg

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Hi Meg,

You are probably experiencing a lyme herx.....where all and new

symptoms go haywire. I have had lyme since 1993, originally i think I was

bitten in San Diego in 1972. This is a crazy disease, you can have all

kinds of symptoms. I have been trying to follow the posts, are you off your

antibiotic. As you know everyone is different. I feel much better when I

can stay on mine. I told my doc I wouldn't go off them till they close the

coffin lid! Because I can function better on them. Not everyone can, but

they help me. I have left over symptoms, but nothing like in the beginning.

You hang in there. There is also as nice lyme chat on Sat nites 8 EST on

Lyme Disease Audio.......then click text chat. Everyone is nice and

supportive as with all the lymies. We are a compassionate and supportive

bunch. You can write anytime. I can also send you information if you need,

you can e-mail me privately.

scuze the typos..........it is called lyme typing

hugs and hang in there,

connie, michigan

[ ] terrified

> It's Meg again. I feel like I have been posting so much, people will

> think I'm joking. But I'm not. It's now 3:14 a.m. and I'm still up.

> The insomnia is unbearable.

> But here is my question: Does anyone get a " burning " sensation in

> BOTH hands and feet? This has just started the day after I stopped my

> doxy. It is almost bilateral. It burns so badly, I can't sleep.

> Also, my limbs feel " disconnected " sometimes. I am terrified this is

> not lyme, but something worse. Or is this just another stage of

> lyme? Like I said before, I have already run the gamit of lyme

> symptoms with this thing before this occurred.

> But this one, in particular, is scaring the **** out of me.

> Please send reassurance, especially about the bilateral burning in

> limbs.

> Thanks,

> Meg

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Questions and/or comments can be directed to the list owner at

> -Owner

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meg you are still herxing and you may want to know

that sometimes the herx is alot worse when you stop

the doxy as it is under the radar of the immune system

at that point and does alot of killing. you will get

burning ha nds and feet and a host of other things

going on dont be scared,

eric

--- abe_n_meg <abenmeg@...> wrote:

> It's Meg again. I feel like I have been posting so

> much, people will

> think I'm joking. But I'm not. It's now 3:14 a.m.

> and I'm still up.

> The insomnia is unbearable.

> But here is my question: Does anyone get a

> " burning " sensation in

> BOTH hands and feet? This has just started the day

> after I stopped my

> doxy. It is almost bilateral. It burns so badly, I

> can't sleep.

> Also, my limbs feel " disconnected " sometimes. I am

> terrified this is

> not lyme, but something worse. Or is this just

> another stage of

> lyme? Like I said before, I have already run the

> gamit of lyme

> symptoms with this thing before this occurred.

> But this one, in particular, is scaring the **** out

> of me.

> Please send reassurance, especially about the

> bilateral burning in

> limbs.

> Thanks,

> Meg

>

>

>

>

>

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<<<But here is my question: Does anyone get a " burning " sensation in

BOTH hands and feet? This has just started the day after I stopped my

doxy. It is almost bilateral. It burns so badly, I can't sleep. Also, my

limbs feel " disconnected " sometimes. I am terrified this is

not lyme, but something worse. Or is this just another stage of lyme? Like I

said before, I have already run the gamit of lyme symptoms with this thing

before this occurred.

Sounds like you are so severely sleep deprived there is absolutely no repair or

rejuvenation taking place in your body.

Depriving the body of sleep for an extended time is just as bad as having lyme

disease.......

They have done sleep studies where they wake people up all night long........and

it actually causes all sorts of symptoms......and you are barely able to

function.

You really need a good sleep study and brain chemical evaluation by an

alternative Dr. to figure out what is so out of balance..........you need sleep.

Connieknwnj

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Hi ,

My physician wants me to consider plaquenal, and I understand the side effects

are worrisome. I know that I am going to tell my physician that I will try the

plaquenal, because I am hurting more than I want to. I am experiencing a major

flare up now and would like to supplement my current medication with the

plaquenal. I am starting to become desparate. I am 46 years old and am wondering

how something like this happened to me. What will it be like in ten years? Will

this shorten my life? Is my quality of life going to make my life miserable? I

hurt a lot today and am considering phoning my doctor to start the plaquenal

before my next visit. Are the side effects worth it???

Cohen

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[ ] terrified

Hello,

I was diagnosed with OA and RA 5 years ago. I have bad days, good days but it

has been tolerable.

I was on plaquenal until 60 days ago. I hated the side effects. The whole body

rash as well as gastro problems prevent me from starting it again. Now that I am

off it I realize how beneficial it was.

At this moment I am in a major flare up. I can not cut my meat, brush my

teelh, hook a bra. I am considering a nursing home at 58 years !!!!

I was just put on prednisone for the 5th time. It usually works.

I do not want to be a burden for my children.

I will see my arthritis physicain next week. I need to get more tests this

week.

My mother had hepatitis during world war 2 and passed it on to me. Many of the

miracle meds are contraindicated with liver damage.

Any suggestions?????

Raniolo

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Hi ,

EVERY medication, including Tylenol, has a long list of potential

side effects. Just because side effects are possible, doesn't mean

that YOU will have them. Plaquenil is usually one of the first RA

meds tried because the side effects are generally relatively mild,

and reversible as long as you monitor for them and stop taking the

Plaquenil if they bother you.

In my case, Plaquenil was too hard on my stomach, and I switched to

other meds. The other meds actually have potentially worse side

effects than Plaquenil, but my body seems to tolerate them better.

Everyone is different, and all you can do is try different

drugs/combinations until you find what works best for you.

Another thing to remember is that some RA meds can cause very

uncomfortable side effects initially, then as your body gets used to

it, the side effects go away. These are typically side effects taht

can be very unpleasant, but are not potentially dangerous. In cases

like that, only you and your doc can decide whether you should try

to stick it out or not.

Sometimes, there are ways of managing these side effects so that you

can keep taking the meds. For people who have problems with their

stomach with some meds, docs will often prescribe something like

Nexium to help. Sometimes you can take the meds at a different time

of day to lessen side effects, and in the case of methotrexate,

adding (or increasing the dose of) folic acid and/or Leucovorin can

help tremendously. Also, it often helps to start with a low dose of

the drug, then ramp up slowly until you are taking the whole

amount. Your rheumatologist should be able to help you with all of

this.

What is REALLY important is that you _DO_ take something that will

slow down or stop the damage caused by RA, rather than just cover up

the pain. These drugs are called " DMARDS " . Whatever the potential

side effects of RA drugs, the damage that RA will do to your body

unchecked is much, much worse.

I currently take Methotrexate, Enbrel and prednisone (though I am

weaning off the prednisone) and while I can't say that I'm back to

my " old normal self " things are definitely better than when I was

first dx'd. And my doc and I are still working on fine tuning the

meds so that I can be as close to " normal " as possible.

--- In , " REBECCA COHEN " <blondie10@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> My physician wants me to consider plaquenal, and I understand the

side effects are worrisome. I know that I am going to tell my

physician that I will try the plaquenal, because I am hurting more

than I want to. I am experiencing a major flare up now and would

like to supplement my current medication with the plaquenal. I am

starting to become desparate. I am 46 years old and am wondering how

something like this happened to me. What will it be like in ten

years? Will this shorten my life? Is my quality of life going to

make my life miserable? I hurt a lot today and am considering

phoning my doctor to start the plaquenal before my next visit. Are

the side effects worth it???

>

> Cohen

> blondie10@...

> rcohen1@...

>

>

> [ ] terrified

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I was diagnosed with OA and RA 5 years ago. I have bad days,

good days but it has been tolerable.

> I was on plaquenal until 60 days ago. I hated the side effects.

The whole body rash as well as gastro problems prevent me from

starting it again. Now that I am off it I realize how beneficial it

was.

>

> At this moment I am in a major flare up. I can not cut my meat,

brush my teelh, hook a bra. I am considering a nursing home at 58

years !!!!

>

> I was just put on prednisone for the 5th time. It usually works.

> I do not want to be a burden for my children.

>

> I will see my arthritis physicain next week. I need to get more

tests this week.

>

> My mother had hepatitis during world war 2 and passed it on to

me. Many of the miracle meds are contraindicated with liver damage.

>

> Any suggestions?????

>

> Raniolo

>

>

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Im my opinion you have absolutely nothing to worry about with

plaquenil. It's mild, & they monitor you for side effects.

Sierra

--- In , " REBECCA COHEN " <blondie10@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> My physician wants me to consider plaquenal, and I understand the

side effects are worrisome. I know that I am going to tell my

physician that I will try the plaquenal, because I am hurting more

than I want to. I am experiencing a major flare up now and would

like to supplement my current medication with the plaquenal. I am

starting to become desparate. I am 46 years old and am wondering how

something like this happened to me. What will it be like in ten

years? Will this shorten my life? Is my quality of life going to make

my life miserable? I hurt a lot today and am considering phoning my

doctor to start the plaquenal before my next visit. Are the side

effects worth it???

>

> Cohen

> blondie10@...

> rcohen1@...

>

>

> [ ] terrified

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I was diagnosed with OA and RA 5 years ago. I have bad days, good

days but it has been tolerable.

> I was on plaquenal until 60 days ago. I hated the side effects.

The whole body rash as well as gastro problems prevent me from

starting it again. Now that I am off it I realize how beneficial it

was.

>

> At this moment I am in a major flare up. I can not cut my meat,

brush my teelh, hook a bra. I am considering a nursing home at 58

years !!!!

>

> I was just put on prednisone for the 5th time. It usually works.

> I do not want to be a burden for my children.

>

> I will see my arthritis physicain next week. I need to get more

tests this week.

>

> My mother had hepatitis during world war 2 and passed it on to

me. Many of the miracle meds are contraindicated with liver damage.

>

> Any suggestions?????

>

> Raniolo

>

>

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Sierra,

That's good to hear. I started on it about 3 months ago and it is helping. The

doc said that is the safest of all the drugs.

,

If you start on it I hope it works for you as well as it seems to be on me at

this point. Sometimes suddenly the Rayhaunds is a problem again for a few

hours. That makes me remember what it was like before I started it.

Betty

[ ] terrified

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I was diagnosed with OA and RA 5 years ago. I have bad days, good

days but it has been tolerable.

> I was on plaquenal until 60 days ago. I hated the side effects.

The whole body rash as well as gastro problems prevent me from

starting it again. Now that I am off it I realize how beneficial it

was.

>

> At this moment I am in a major flare up. I can not cut my meat,

brush my teelh, hook a bra. I am considering a nursing home at 58

years !!!!

>

> I was just put on prednisone for the 5th time. It usually works.

> I do not want to be a burden for my children.

>

> I will see my arthritis physicain next week. I need to get more

tests this week.

>

> My mother had hepatitis during world war 2 and passed it on to

me. Many of the miracle meds are contraindicated with liver damage.

>

> Any suggestions?????

>

> Raniolo

>

>

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I've been taking Plaquenil for a couple of years with no problems.

Unfortunately, I've got plenty of OTHER problems, but that's not one of

them.

I've found it to be a great medication and it's controlled my RA very well.

_____

From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of REBECCA COHEN

Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:08 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] terrified

Hi ,

My physician wants me to consider plaquenal, and I understand the side

effects are worrisome. I know that I am going to tell my physician that I

will try the plaquenal, because I am hurting more than I want to. I am

experiencing a major flare up now and would like to supplement my current

medication with the plaquenal. I am starting to become desparate. I am 46

years old and am wondering how something like this happened to me. What will

it be like in ten years? Will this shorten my life? Is my quality of life

going to make my life miserable? I hurt a lot today and am considering

phoning my doctor to start the plaquenal before my next visit. Are the side

effects worth it???

Cohen

blondie10cfl (DOT) <mailto:blondie10%40cfl.rr.com> rr.com

rcohen1email (DOT) <mailto:rcohen1%40email.uophx.edu> uophx.edu

[ ] terrified

Hello,

I was diagnosed with OA and RA 5 years ago. I have bad days, good days but

it has been tolerable.

I was on plaquenal until 60 days ago. I hated the side effects. The whole

body rash as well as gastro problems prevent me from starting it again. Now

that I am off it I realize how beneficial it was.

At this moment I am in a major flare up. I can not cut my meat, brush my

teelh, hook a bra. I am considering a nursing home at 58 years !!!!

I was just put on prednisone for the 5th time. It usually works.

I do not want to be a burden for my children.

I will see my arthritis physicain next week. I need to get more tests this

week.

My mother had hepatitis during world war 2 and passed it on to me. Many of

the miracle meds are contraindicated with liver damage.

Any suggestions?????

Raniolo

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Hi :

Welcome! We are happy to have you here, but sorry for

the reason you found us. We all know what you are

going through, and have all been there before. It's

hard when one medication, which had been helping,

stops working. It can happen, unfortunately. You

have several medications DMARDs to choose from, but

which is easiest on the liver, I don't know.

I am currently on Mtx (which I would presume you

cannot take) and Enbrel, which may be ean option for

you. Has your doctor discussed biologics with you?

These may be the types of medications that might not

be as hard on your liver. I sure hope that you are

able to find something and that your doctor will have

some suggestions when you see him.

Prednisone is a wonder drug as far as pain and

inflammamtion for most of us, but it is not something

that most of us like to take for too long. However,

some people must be on it in order to have a quality

of life. It is all up to you. You do need to have

some sort of a DMARD in order to try and control the

progression of the disease process. Prednisone or pain

meds don't do this, they just cover up the problem.

I wish you the best of luck in finding something that

you will be able to take. I have RA, OA, Fibro, and

Raynaud's, and can imagine the pain you are in. We

are here for you, so please let us know what your

doctor says. I am sure that whatever medication he

advises for you, we have a member or two here who have

been on it and can give you some personal advice. \

Hang in there and take care -

Kathe in CA

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Morning Beth, Dave here, I am 4 years out as well and do have cravings. I

have gained 10 pounds in the last month or so but really started looking at

what I was eating the last month and put my foot down. I now have lost 5 pounds

in 2 weeks. One thing that really helped me out was to start taking a

powdered protein. After a couple of days it started to eliminate the cravings.

From

what I understand a craving is actually something that your body is not

getting enough of. If this is the case, then try to replace the craving with a

healthy alternative. By no means am I going to preach to you but in my case

when

I looked back I was again making poor food choices just because I can now

after the MGB but that is wrong. The weight will come back if we let it. One

great thing is that after we loose the initial weight of a couple of years, then

the weight has to come off the old fashion way of exercise, and eating

healthy but the MGB will help here as well because when I put my mind to eat,

the

weight does come off to where it never did come off before surgery. You can

do this Beth. Just slowly start eliminating those craving foods each day.

Feel free to contact me anytime for help or just a talk.

God bless,

Dave

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I would never lecture you. I can only suggest. How about going back to square

one and starting with stage 1 for two weeks, then move to stage 2 when you are

ready? It might get your brain back into the program. Don't worry so much.

Beating yourself up will not accomplish anything. You know what to do. Protein

first, fruit and veggies next then carbs last. Be sure to take your vitamins

and drink plenty of fluids with electrolytes. Your emotional well-being should

be first so please don't be hard on yourself. I care as do the rest of us.

Elinor

kungfoosally <kungfoosally@...> wrote:

i am terrified. i had this surgery over 4 years ago and since about

june of this year i feel no fullness at all anymore. i can eat all

day long if i wanted. i have cravings through the roof and i am, of

course, gaining weight. i dont notice that im eating more than usual

but i guess i am. since surgery i would stop when i felt full and it

worked. but recently i dont FEEL full so i just dont know when to

stop and dont get satisfied! i feel like i did pre surgery. i am so

afraid im going to gain weight. i have already gained 25 since my

lowest weight, and 15 of it has been within the past few months! i am

eating the same things i did when i ended up in a size 5 without even

thinking about it. but now im gaining. i dont know what to do. has

this happened to anyone? i have tried counting calories again (ugh

diet days! i though i would never have to deal with those again!) and

will lose a couple pounds but i seem to be gaining more than losing.

can i get a revision for this?

dont lecture me please, i am just scared and feel lost. i need some

advice i guess. like i said, this surgery worked for me until just a

few months ago when it seemed like almost overnight my old stomach

grew back.

beth

5/22/03 dr R

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Beth,

I'm nervous for you!!! Doesn't seem like this is what's supposed to happen.

I know most people talk about the 25 pound rebound but maybe you should call Dr.

R's office. My daughter's mother-in-law had to join Weight Watcher's in order

to lose the last 30 pounds. After spending that kind of money, we shouldn't

have to do this. Are you taking your protein? Eating your yogurt? All your

meds? I'd drink water before I ate and see if that helps to fill you up. Let

us know.

God bless,

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Beth,

I am not lecturing, I am just wondering, do you have a regular exercise

program?? I weighed 384.5 when I had surgery two years ago with an 8 foot bypass

and I can tell you that without regular exercise I would not be down to 203 at

this time.? And if I stop exercising I start to gain weight, I start exercising

and it comes right back off again.? Again not a lecture, just a suggestion.

in Fla

terrified

i am terrified. i had this surgery over 4 years ago and since about

june of this year i feel no fullness at all anymore. i can eat all

day long if i wanted. i have cravings through the roof and i am, of

course, gaining weight. i dont notice that im eating more than usual

but i guess i am. since surgery i would stop when i felt full and it

worked. but recently i dont FEEL full so i just dont know when to

stop and dont get satisfied! i feel like i did pre surgery. i am so

afraid im going to gain weight. i have already gained 25 since my

lowest weight, and 15 of it has been within the past few months! i am

eating the same things i did when i ended up in a size 5 without even

thinking about it. but now im gaining. i dont know what to do. has

this happened to anyone? i have tried counting calories again (ugh

diet days! i though i would never have to deal with those again!) and

will lose a couple pounds but i seem to be gaining more than losing.

can i get a revision for this?

dont lecture me please, i am just scared and feel lost. i need some

advice i guess. like i said, this surgery worked for me until just a

few months ago when it seemed like almost overnight my old stomach

grew back.

beth

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Beth,

Wow, I am going through the EXACT same thing. Surgery...four years ago.

Lowest weight 140 now 160! I can eat anything and everything. I have starting

walking and not eating at night. HOPEFULLY this works! Wow, I will watch

how everyone responds.

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6/4/03

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Beth,

Take heart it is still not too late to keep your tool working for you.

My situation is similar to you MGB 4/03 Dr R 260-now 150-155

I have a few ideas for you and these have been helpful for me:

Start to journal.just one week, see if you don't do better in just that

time.It helps me to be mindful of what I'm eating and putting into my mouth

Consider taking yourself to a eating disorder specialist.maybe for just a

few visits.I did this, learned I was using food like medicine to soothe

stress and I needed better strategies for coping with life. How are you

doing at managing stress in your life?

Look at what you're eating.focus now on fresh fruits and veggies, lean

protein.scrutinize those empty junk calories.don't deny yourself but pick

better options with high nutritional value.keep up with your

supplements.some nutrients may also help with mood and there is some

thinking that nutritional deficiencies drive you eat so your body can get

what it needs

Start your day with high fiber.to help you fill and stay that way through

the day. Are you doing Citricel?

Consider a day of stage one. to get you over the hump

Move more.anything that you can do, park the car far away, take the stairs,

anything!

Subscribe to WLS lifestyles.post surgery magazine for bypass patients,

inspiring stories and articles you can relate to.just google WLS Lifestyles.

No lectures here.we're all in the same boat working at healing from

Obesity.we did not get obese overnight and it takes time to work thru your

patterns and habits to make a new life.

I hope this helps some.

Peg NJ-RN

Dr R 4/03

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From: [mailto: ] On

Behalf Of kungfoosally

Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 6:14 PM

Subject: terrified

i am terrified. i had this surgery over 4 years ago and since about

june of this year i feel no fullness at all anymore. i can eat all

day long if i wanted. i have cravings through the roof and i am, of

course, gaining weight. i dont notice that im eating more than usual

but i guess i am. since surgery i would stop when i felt full and it

worked. but recently i dont FEEL full so i just dont know when to

stop and dont get satisfied! i feel like i did pre surgery. i am so

afraid im going to gain weight. i have already gained 25 since my

lowest weight, and 15 of it has been within the past few months! i am

eating the same things i did when i ended up in a size 5 without even

thinking about it. but now im gaining. i dont know what to do. has

this happened to anyone? i have tried counting calories again (ugh

diet days! i though i would never have to deal with those again!) and

will lose a couple pounds but i seem to be gaining more than losing.

can i get a revision for this?

dont lecture me please, i am just scared and feel lost. i need some

advice i guess. like i said, this surgery worked for me until just a

few months ago when it seemed like almost overnight my old stomach

grew back.

beth

5/22/03 dr R

275/140/166 (before/after/now)

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Doris, I too like to eat evening food for breakfast. I had the MGB 7/16/06

and have been eating this way almost from the start. I like a Boca burger w/

green beans or sauteed peppers for breakfast or a egg salad or tuna salad

portion wrapped in iceberg lettuce burrito style. I love eggs but the smell

of cooking eggs in the am gags me like it did when I was pregnant. We have

breakfast for supper here in Georgia all the time and that works great for

me just to flip flop our meals like that.

Robbin

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>Subject: Re: terrified

>Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:35:20 EDT

>

>I haven't been posting much lately but this thread makes me want to share

>something that has worked for me and even for some of my non-WLS friends to

>whom

> I have recommended it.

>

>I was lactose intolerant before the MGB and much more so since the MGB so I

>was already out of the habit of eating cereal with milk for breakfast even

>before the MGB. What I have found very effective is to eat " dinner " food

>for

>breakfast. For example, this morning I had a good-size serving of cooked

>red

>beets and a serving of cooked green beans with a slice of deli ham for the

>protein. Some days I have roast chicken with two side vegetables. Trust

>me, I

>am not an early morning person and I do not get up and " cook " this type of

>meal for myself. I just microwave something that's already in my

>refrigerator. This combination of vegetables and protein for breakfast

>seems to set up

>my metabolism at a good rate for the day and also keeps the food " moving "

>through my system quite regularly. And of course I have my Citrucel every

>morning before breakfast. I will also have scrambled eggs on weekends

>when I have

>more time to cook, but I try to always have vegetables also.

>

>One of my daughters had the MGB and started eating this way when she had

>gained a few pounds and now she, too, swears by it. Great energy level for

>starting your day. My other daughter didn't qualify for MGB because of

>multiple

>previous abdominal surgeries and ended up having the regular bypass. She

>has

>struggled with weight gain for about a year and recently came to live with

>me (temporarily, she says, while looking for a new apartment) but is

>finding

>this way of eating has helped her lose weight also.

>

>I know this may sound strange to some of you, but do give it a chance. I

>weighed 239 when I had the MGB and now fluctuate between 116 (too low for

>me)

>and 122 with no problem maintaining it. Of course I may for some reason

>just

>be lucky but I plan to stick with what works.

>

>Doris

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Hi

Throughout all my research over the past seven years, there seems to be a

trend across the board for most all weight loss surgery procedures that

indicate the first two years after surgery is the most successful window of

optimum weight loss. That doesn't necessarily mean it stops, but tends to

slow down drastically and sometimes needs reevaluations to the exercise and

menu choices we make. Hang in there.

a

MGB 5/2000

-- Re: terrified

OMG I am only 2 years out and have begun to gain weight too! I thought it

was the typical bounce back that everyone seems to have...but I don't have

that same " full " feeling that I had for over a year. I was down to 135 and

now am up to 155. I am beginning to feel those same feelings of an obese

person...hiding behind big clothes, seeing myself as a " fat " person. I will

try increasing my exercise and go back to phase 1 foods and see if this

helps. I liked the way I felt at 135-145...I am scared of gaining weight!

Thanks for the suggestions.

Danee' in OR

12-15-05

mgb6403@... wrote:

Beth,

Wow, I am going through the EXACT same thing. Surgery...four years ago.

Lowest weight 140 now 160! I can eat anything and everything. I have

starting

walking and not eating at night. HOPEFULLY this works! Wow, I will watch

how everyone responds.

Shiela

6/4/03

363/140-now 160

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Thanks to all of you for your honesty! I am about 22

months post-op and am up about 15 pounds from my

lowest, which was about 25 - 30 pounds away from where

I wanted to end up so I have really been depressed! I

too have been struggling with the same old feelings .

.. . looking in the mirror and only seeing fat. For

some reason the weight I've gained is only around my

waist so it shows. I don't get the same " full "

feeling much of the time either. That's why I was

interested to see someone asking if Dr. Rutledge cut

the vagus nerve back then because I know it was not

talked about at that time, only much more recently.

I'm also increasing the excercise and I'll try the

food diary. How long will you do stage 1 foods?

Carol in Seattle

11/2/05

--- Danee Lee <daneemom@...> wrote:

> OMG I am only 2 years out and have begun to gain

> weight too! I thought it was the typical bounce

> back that everyone seems to have...but I don't have

> that same " full " feeling that I had for over a year.

> I was down to 135 and now am up to 155. I am

> beginning to feel those same feelings of an obese

> person...hiding behind big clothes, seeing myself as

> a " fat " person. I will try increasing my exercise

> and go back to phase 1 foods and see if this helps.

> I liked the way I felt at 135-145...I am scared of

> gaining weight! Thanks for the suggestions.

> Danee' in OR

> 12-15-05

>

> mgb6403@... wrote:

> Beth,

>

> Wow, I am going through the EXACT same thing.

> Surgery...four years ago.

> Lowest weight 140 now 160! I can eat anything and

> everything. I have starting

> walking and not eating at night. HOPEFULLY this

> works! Wow, I will watch

> how everyone responds.

>

> Shiela

> 6/4/03

> 363/140-now 160

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Sounds like a plan to me...

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LOL!!! You ARE a man, aren't you?

And for some reason, everyone has gotten me mixed up with the original writer

who had the problem with the regain. NOT ME!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm only on month 4.

I BETTER NOT be gaining it back yet. Give me a few years. So since you're a

man, we'll blame you for that as well...

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" I'm a man, so what do I know. "

NOT MUCH!! ha ha

:-) Kathy in VA

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From: " Grizz " <neilmcleod58@...>

What about your Estrogen levels Beth?

This could be playing a part in your current inability to be

satiated. Just a suggestion, I could be wrong; it has been known;

plus I'm a man, so what do I know. ;-]

Grizz

> i am terrified. i had this surgery over 4 years ago and

since about

> june of this year i feel no fullness at all anymore. i can eat all

> day long if i wanted. i have cravings through the roof and i am, of

> course, gaining weight. i dont notice that im eating more than

usual

> but i guess i am. since surgery i would stop when i felt full and

it

> worked. but recently i dont FEEL full so i just dont know when to

> stop and dont get satisfied! i feel like i did pre surgery. i am so

> afraid im going to gain weight. i have already gained 25 since my

> lowest weight, and 15 of it has been within the past few months! i

am

> eating the same things i did when i ended up in a size 5 without

even

> thinking about it. but now im gaining. i dont know what to do. has

> this happened to anyone? i have tried counting calories again (ugh

> diet days! i though i would never have to deal with those again!)

and

> will lose a couple pounds but i seem to be gaining more than

losing.

> can i get a revision for this?

>

> dont lecture me please, i am just scared and feel lost. i need some

> advice i guess. like i said, this surgery worked for me until just

a

> few months ago when it seemed like almost overnight my old stomach

> grew back.

>

> beth

> 5/22/03 dr R

> 275/140/166 (before/after/now)

>

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Beth,

I couldn't believe your message. I logged back in to this board again

for the first time in a very long time because I am feeling the same way

you are. I am constantly hungry. I had my surgery in August of '03. I

am eating some junk, but to be honest I have eaten some from almost the

beginning. I too am very scared. Have been thinking about joining

Weight Watchers before this gets out of hand. I hope there are words of

wisdom from someone.

Diane

250/137/154

8/04/03 Dr. R

>

> i am terrified. i had this surgery over 4 years ago and since about

> june of this year i feel no fullness at all anymore. i can eat all

> day long if i wanted. i have cravings through the roof and i am, of

> course, gaining weight. i dont notice that im eating more than usual

> but i guess i am. since surgery i would stop when i felt full and it

> worked. but recently i dont FEEL full so i just dont know when to

> stop and dont get satisfied! i feel like i did pre surgery. i am so

> afraid im going to gain weight. i have already gained 25 since my

> lowest weight, and 15 of it has been within the past few months! i am

> eating the same things i did when i ended up in a size 5 without even

> thinking about it. but now im gaining. i dont know what to do. has

> this happened to anyone? i have tried counting calories again (ugh

> diet days! i though i would never have to deal with those again!) and

> will lose a couple pounds but i seem to be gaining more than losing.

> can i get a revision for this?

>

> dont lecture me please, i am just scared and feel lost. i need some

> advice i guess. like i said, this surgery worked for me until just a

> few months ago when it seemed like almost overnight my old stomach

> grew back.

>

> beth

> 5/22/03 dr R

> 275/140/166 (before/after/now)

>

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